June 2013 - Pharo-users - lists.pharo.org

Debugger question

by phil＠highoctane.be

When using the debugger, I am often getting into the situation shown in the attached picture when stepping. And the image is then frozen. No matter how much Cmd-. I do, no way out it seems. For newcomers, this is really discouraging I think. What can we do to alleviate this? Thx, Phil

June 1, 2013

Re: [Pharo-users] Roassal & Spec?

by MartinW

MartinW wrote > In my case the upper two panes would display the same object, only with > different views on it (a graph and a list), and the selections would be > syncronized (select an element in the graph - the same element will be > selected in the list and vice versa). Is this as easily possible? Would this be the direction: |collection composer| collection := OrderedCollection new. collection add: #A; add: #B; add: #C; add: #D. composer := GLMCompositePresentation new. composer tabulator with: [ :t | t row: #visualization; row: #details. t transmit to: #visualization; andShow: [ :a | a stackedArrangement. a roassal title: 'Visualization'; painting: [ :view :viewCollection | view shape rectangle size: 30. view nodes: viewCollection. view shape arrowedLine. view edges: ((OrderedCollection new) add: (#A->#B); add: (#A->#C); add: (#C->#D); yourself) from: #key to: #value. view treeLayout ]. a list title: 'List'.]. t transmit from: #visualization; to: #details; andShow: [ :a | a text title: 'Details'; display: [ :number | number asString ]] ]. composer openOn: collection -- View this message in context: http://forum.world.st/Roassal-Spec-tp4690745p4691206.html Sent from the Pharo Smalltalk Users mailing list archive at Nabble.com.

June 1, 2013

Re: [Pharo-users] Pharo consultants

by Sven Van Caekenberghe

On 01 Jun 2013, at 17:28, StÃ©phane Ducasse <stephane.ducasse(a)inria.fr> wrote: > > On Jun 1, 2013, at 10:42 AM, Norbert Hartl <norbert(a)hartl.name> wrote: > >> >> Am 01.06.2013 um 08:10 schrieb StÃ©phane Ducasse <stephane.ducasse(a)inria.fr>: >> >>> Hi guys >>> >>> I think that we are doing a poor job selling ourselves. I think that the quality of our community is in >>> general excellent but we do not sell it. I think that we are not using well the association. >>> I think that this is REALLY important for a larger adoption of Pharo that the world >>> knows that we have excellent guys around that can consult. >>> >>> So what do you think? >>> I would use the association in a much clearer way. >> >> I think you need to elaborate here. On this level of detail the only answer could be: good idea! I cannot see what you have on your mind when you like to use the association in a clearer way. > > I mean that we could use the association as a show room for talented person > "selling" their expertise :) Yes, we should do something like that - we need to think about the amount/kind of information we want to place in the 'fiche' describing each consultant. It should be enough, but not too much either. >> I would like to have consultancy for consultants. I mean I read that sometimes that developers are just too shy to sell services with smalltalk or do not dare to introduce it to their IT. There should be an instance encouraging those people or be just an address to target questions to. > > I would like to show to the world that if they start business around Pharo they can find experts. >> >> Norbert >> >> > >

June 1, 2013

Re: [Pharo-users] Pharo consultants

by Sven Van Caekenberghe

On 01 Jun 2013, at 17:28, StÃ©phane Ducasse <stephane.ducasse(a)inria.fr> wrote: > > On Jun 1, 2013, at 10:42 AM, Norbert Hartl <norbert(a)hartl.name> wrote: > >> >> Am 01.06.2013 um 08:10 schrieb StÃ©phane Ducasse <stephane.ducasse(a)inria.fr>: >> >>> Hi guys >>> >>> I think that we are doing a poor job selling ourselves. I think that the quality of our community is in >>> general excellent but we do not sell it. I think that we are not using well the association. >>> I think that this is REALLY important for a larger adoption of Pharo that the world >>> knows that we have excellent guys around that can consult. >>> >>> So what do you think? >>> I would use the association in a much clearer way. >> >> I think you need to elaborate here. On this level of detail the only answer could be: good idea! I cannot see what you have on your mind when you like to use the association in a clearer way. > > I mean that we could use the association as a show room for talented person > "selling" their expertise :) Yes, we should do something like that - we need to think about the amount/kind of information we want to place in the 'fiche' describing each consultant. It should be enough, but not too much either. >> I would like to have consultancy for consultants. I mean I read that sometimes that developers are just too shy to sell services with smalltalk or do not dare to introduce it to their IT. There should be an instance encouraging those people or be just an address to target questions to. > > I would like to show to the world that if they start business around Pharo they can find experts. >> >> Norbert >> >> > >

June 1, 2013

Re: [Pharo-users] Pharo consultants

by StÃ©phane Ducasse

On Jun 1, 2013, at 10:42 AM, Norbert Hartl <norbert(a)hartl.name> wrote: > > Am 01.06.2013 um 08:10 schrieb StÃ©phane Ducasse <stephane.ducasse(a)inria.fr>: > >> Hi guys >> >> I think that we are doing a poor job selling ourselves. I think that the quality of our community is in >> general excellent but we do not sell it. I think that we are not using well the association. >> I think that this is REALLY important for a larger adoption of Pharo that the world >> knows that we have excellent guys around that can consult. >> >> So what do you think? >> I would use the association in a much clearer way. > > I think you need to elaborate here. On this level of detail the only answer could be: good idea! I cannot see what you have on your mind when you like to use the association in a clearer way. I mean that we could use the association as a show room for talented person "selling" their expertise :) > I would like to have consultancy for consultants. I mean I read that sometimes that developers are just too shy to sell services with smalltalk or do not dare to introduce it to their IT. There should be an instance encouraging those people or be just an address to target questions to. I would like to show to the world that if they start business around Pharo they can find experts. > > Norbert > >

June 1, 2013

Re: [Pharo-users] Roassal & Spec?

by MartinW

ClÃ©ment Bera-4 wrote > How is your Roassal visualization ? Is it a morph ? > If it is a morph I guess you would need to do a ComposableModel wrapper to > integrate it in a spec. Are there others than morphs? I will go with Glamour for the moment, but i am still interested in this. I hope for more Spec documentation :) Martin. -- View this message in context: http://forum.world.st/Roassal-Spec-tp4690745p4691191.html Sent from the Pharo Smalltalk Users mailing list archive at Nabble.com.

June 1, 2013

Re: [Pharo-users] Roassal & Spec?

by MartinW

Stephan Eggermont wrote > And you might want to read that as: > try to build a UI with Glamour first, > before diving into spec. I will take that advice :) -- View this message in context: http://forum.world.st/Roassal-Spec-tp4690745p4691189.html Sent from the Pharo Smalltalk Users mailing list archive at Nabble.com.

June 1, 2013

Re: [Pharo-users] Roassal & Spec?

by MartinW

Hi Tudor, thank you very much. That looks amazing. I just start to look at all the examples in the Moose image. In my case the upper two panes would display the same object, only with different views on it (a graph and a list), and the selections would be syncronized (select an element in the graph - the same element will be selected in the list and vice versa). Is this as easily possible? Martin. Tudor Girba-2 wrote > You could also try to use Glamour for that: > > composer := GLMCompositePresentation new. > composer tabulator with: [ :t | > t row: #visualization; row: #list; row: #details. > t transmit to: #visualization; andShow: [ :a | > a roassal > title: 'Visualization'; > painting: [ :view :collection | > view nodes: collection. > view edgesFrom: [ :x | x // 5 ]. > view radialNarrowTreeLayout ] ]. > t transmit from: #visualization; to: #list; andShow: [ :a | > a list > title: 'List'; > display: [ :number | 1 to: number ] > ]. > t transmit from: #list; to: #details; andShow: [ :a | > a text > title: 'Details'; > display: [ :number | number asString ] ] ]. > composer openOn: (1 to: 420) > > Cheers, > Doru -- View this message in context: http://forum.world.st/Roassal-Spec-tp4690745p4691188.html Sent from the Pharo Smalltalk Users mailing list archive at Nabble.com.

June 1, 2013

Re: [Pharo-users] Pharo consultants

by Norbert Hartl

Am 01.06.2013 um 08:10 schrieb StÃ©phane Ducasse <stephane.ducasse(a)inria.fr>: > Hi guys > > I think that we are doing a poor job selling ourselves. I think that the quality of our community is in > general excellent but we do not sell it. I think that we are not using well the association. > I think that this is REALLY important for a larger adoption of Pharo that the world > knows that we have excellent guys around that can consult. > > So what do you think? > I would use the association in a much clearer way. I think you need to elaborate here. On this level of detail the only answer could be: good idea! I cannot see what you have on your mind when you like to use the association in a clearer way. I would like to have consultancy for consultants. I mean I read that sometimes that developers are just too shy to sell services with smalltalk or do not dare to introduce it to their IT. There should be an instance encouraging those people or be just an address to target questions to. Norbert

June 1, 2013

Re: [Pharo-users] Pharo consultants

by Bahman Movaqar

On 2013-06-01 10:40, StÃ©phane Ducasse wrote: > Hi guys > > I think that we are doing a poor job selling ourselves. I think that the quality of our community is in > general excellent but we do not sell it. I think that we are not using well the association. > I think that this is REALLY important for a larger adoption of Pharo that the world > knows that we have excellent guys around that can consult. > > So what do you think? > I would use the association in a much clearer way. I'd like to mention a few facts: 1. I used to think Smalltalk is dead. 2. I used to think Smalltalk, even if not dead, is only being used in universities. 3. I used to think Smalltalk world is far behind the modern web aspects/framework/technologies. It's been less than a week that I started to give Smalltalk (Pharo) a try -and to be honest I chose to do so just to see what is Seaside. And to my utmost surprise all of the above assumptions turned out to be moronic per-assumptions (though hugely popular). I come from the Java world which I'd say is the richest and most evolving ecosystem for web development. But I was shocked by design, quality, simplicity, cleanness and feature-set of Seaside. And if you ask me nothing matches it even in the wide range of Java web frameworks. I believe, Seaside is a sample of what Smalltalk world has to offer (correct me if I'm wrong) and it's a real pitty that frustrated developers/companies using Java or .NET don't know about such a thing. PS: I have some general suggestions but, honestly, I thought I'd hold them as I'm not a pro Smalltalk'er :-) -- Bahman Movaqar (http://BahmanM.com) ERP Evaluation, Implementation, Deployment Consultant

June 1, 2013