June 2013 - Pharo-users - lists.pharo.org

Re: [Pharo-users] minimal headless pharo2 for CentOS

by LogiqueWerks

If it is not under 50Mb with min packages + my classes, then I think no one in the minimalist camp is going to look at my efforts ( this is my "emit Curl markup" as alternative-to-HTML project for learning Japanese kanji via personalized mnemonics. ) The first image would be to parse Yaml and emit Curl markup ; the second MAY use Seaside to respond with MIME of text/vnd.curl ... but I still have so many issues to address ... and no Xvnc installed yet ... and only Python 2.6.6 so far on this CentOS 6.3 My aversion to PCRE is a driving force here , so I have a lot of work to do ... On 11 June 2013 07:41, Sven Van Caekenberghe-2 [via Smalltalk] < ml-node+s1294792n4692755h33(a)n4.nabble.com> wrote: > Robert, > > What size are you aiming for ? > > A normal Pharo image needs between 50 and 100 Mb, with everything > included. > > Not much in my book, are there such small VPS machines today ? > I run 6 such Images/VM pairs on a AWS EC2 micro instances (~600Mb RAM). > Linode starts at 1Gb ... > > Sven > > On 11 Jun 2013, at 12:14, LogiqueWerks <[hidden email]<http://user/SendEmail.jtp?type=node&node=4692755&i=0>> > wrote: > > > re: headless Pharo 2.0 > > > > I just finished building gst on a tiny VPS site, but I would rather use > > pharo ... I can get some tips from pharo --help in my SSH console but I > have > > a big dev CentOS here in VirtualBox in which to experiment in headless > > builds if set on the right track ... > > > > Does anyone have a tip on starting with a Pharo 2.0 core ? I just need > > sockets, minimal HTTP and StdOut - I don't think I want Seaside on this > tiny > > install ... but I would rather be using an HTTP server in Pharo than in > Ruby > > or Python ... I have come to loathe Lighttpd and nginx config silliness > ... > > but I could fallback to Ruby Sinatra or merb while I wait ... (the > > poor-man's Smalltalk ;-) > > > > Or should I be looking to strip down a VW image and wait for Pharo 3 ? > I am > > scripting with Rebol 2 for now while I wait for rebol3 or Red ... > > > > thanks, > > Robert > > in a small Atlantic town > > Canada > > > > PS last night I could not see how to run St/X without X to see what mem > > footprint I would face ! > > > > > > > > -- > > View this message in context: > http://forum.world.st/minimal-headless-pharo2-for-CentOS-tp4692753.html > > Sent from the Pharo Smalltalk Users mailing list archive at Nabble.com. > > > > > > > ------------------------------ > If you reply to this email, your message will be added to the discussion > below: > > http://forum.world.st/minimal-headless-pharo2-for-CentOS-tp4692753p4692755.… > To unsubscribe from minimal headless pharo2 for CentOS, click here<http://forum.world.st/template/NamlServlet.jtp?macro=unsubscribe_by_code&no…> > . > NAML<http://forum.world.st/template/NamlServlet.jtp?macro=macro_viewer&id=instan…> > -- View this message in context: http://forum.world.st/minimal-headless-pharo2-for-CentOS-tp4692753p4692971.… Sent from the Pharo Smalltalk Users mailing list archive at Nabble.com.

June 12, 2013

Re: [Pharo-users] Topic search - Learn programming with Smalltalk

by StÃ©phane Ducasse

Yes this book is interesting. Now this is several time I contacted steven wessels to know if he is interested about a port to pharo and about the license but he never replied to me (while I tried to help him finding for jobs in the past). So I cannot interact with people not even replying to mails. too bad Stef On Jun 12, 2013, at 11:54 AM, Bernat Romagosa <tibabenfortlapalanca(a)gmail.com> wrote: > I remember learning a lot and having a lot of fun with the Laser Game tutorial. I'm not sure it'll still work in newer Pharo/Squeak images though... In Squeak, maybe. In Pharo, I seriously doubt it :) > > > 2013/6/12 basilmir <mircea(a)unom.ro> > Are there any good books or resources focused on *mainly* Learning > Programming. (with Smalltalk would be a great bonus) > > I'm not looking for yet another class, syntax, other language compare etc... > Just one of those books that's filled with real exercises and medium sized > programs that you get to actually get to complete and experiment with. > > *I found these to be of great clarity:* > > *Smalltalk, Objects and Design by Chamond Liu* (I wish the account example > were a little more detailed, and the initial slow pace would extend > throughout the book, it tends to accelerate to fast) > > *Just ordered Discovering Smalltalk by Wilf LaLonde* (I have a feeling it > would be on the same level) > > It would be great if you could recommend such a book, resource. > > PS. I feel i read a great deal on the subject but never actually completed a > piece of software that's even remotely complete, the pieces just don't fit. > There is a great deal of "wow" around how you're not supposed to know how > the insides of an object works (encapsulation) but without extensive > knowledge of the framework how could one create anything of use?! > > > > -- > View this message in context: http://forum.world.st/Topic-search-Learn-programming-with-Smalltalk-tp46929… > Sent from the Pharo Smalltalk Users mailing list archive at Nabble.com. > > > > > -- > Bernat Romagosa.

June 12, 2013

Re: [Pharo-users] Topic search - Learn programming with Smalltalk

by Bernat Romagosa

I remember learning a lot and having a lot of fun with the Laser Game tutorial <http://squeak.preeminent.org/tut2007/html/>. I'm not sure it'll still work in newer Pharo/Squeak images though... In Squeak, maybe. In Pharo, I seriously doubt it :) 2013/6/12 basilmir <mircea(a)unom.ro> > Are there any good books or resources focused on *mainly* Learning > Programming. (with Smalltalk would be a great bonus) > > I'm not looking for yet another class, syntax, other language compare > etc... > Just one of those books that's filled with real exercises and medium sized > programs that you get to actually get to complete and experiment with. > > *I found these to be of great clarity:* > > *Smalltalk, Objects and Design by Chamond Liu* (I wish the account example > were a little more detailed, and the initial slow pace would extend > throughout the book, it tends to accelerate to fast) > > *Just ordered Discovering Smalltalk by Wilf LaLonde* (I have a feeling it > would be on the same level) > > It would be great if you could recommend such a book, resource. > > PS. I feel i read a great deal on the subject but never actually completed > a > piece of software that's even remotely complete, the pieces just don't fit. > There is a great deal of "wow" around how you're not supposed to know how > the insides of an object works (encapsulation) but without extensive > knowledge of the framework how could one create anything of use?! > > > > -- > View this message in context: > http://forum.world.st/Topic-search-Learn-programming-with-Smalltalk-tp46929… > Sent from the Pharo Smalltalk Users mailing list archive at Nabble.com. > > -- Bernat Romagosa.

June 12, 2013

Topic search - Learn programming with Smalltalk

by basilmir

Are there any good books or resources focused on *mainly* Learning Programming. (with Smalltalk would be a great bonus) I'm not looking for yet another class, syntax, other language compare etc... Just one of those books that's filled with real exercises and medium sized programs that you get to actually get to complete and experiment with. *I found these to be of great clarity:* *Smalltalk, Objects and Design by Chamond Liu* (I wish the account example were a little more detailed, and the initial slow pace would extend throughout the book, it tends to accelerate to fast) *Just ordered Discovering Smalltalk by Wilf LaLonde* (I have a feeling it would be on the same level) It would be great if you could recommend such a book, resource. PS. I feel i read a great deal on the subject but never actually completed a piece of software that's even remotely complete, the pieces just don't fit. There is a great deal of "wow" around how you're not supposed to know how the insides of an object works (encapsulation) but without extensive knowledge of the framework how could one create anything of use?! -- View this message in context: http://forum.world.st/Topic-search-Learn-programming-with-Smalltalk-tp46929… Sent from the Pharo Smalltalk Users mailing list archive at Nabble.com.

June 12, 2013

Re: [Pharo-users] SVN client and latex parser, are any there?

by Camillo Bruni

On 2013-06-12, at 09:52, Guillermo Polito <guillermopolito(a)gmail.com> wrote: > The problem is myself! I forgot stuff, I forgot to commit figures, to > double-check if references and labels are consistent, if figures are > referenced somewhere... > > So either I have to be very very disciplined, or I automate it :). I followed the discipline part so far :) > On Wed, Jun 12, 2013 at 9:43 AM, Camillo Bruni <camillobruni(a)gmail.com>wrote: > >> I use git over svn, so I sleep properly at night at least :P >> >> what's the real problem you're dealing with? >> >> On 2013-06-12, at 09:38, Guillermo Polito <guillermopolito(a)gmail.com> >> wrote: >> >>> Buon giorno! >>> >>> I got pissed off when committing latex and figures and stuff into svn by >>> command line... >>> >>> So, for playing the weekend, does somebody know if there is any package >>> implementing an svn client (maybe using osprocess, i do not care ;) and a >>> latex parser? >>> >>> Tx! >>> Guille >> >> >>

June 12, 2013

Re: [Pharo-users] SVN client and latex parser, are any there?

by Guillermo Polito

The problem is myself! I forgot stuff, I forgot to commit figures, to double-check if references and labels are consistent, if figures are referenced somewhere... So either I have to be very very disciplined, or I automate it :). On Wed, Jun 12, 2013 at 9:43 AM, Camillo Bruni <camillobruni(a)gmail.com>wrote: > I use git over svn, so I sleep properly at night at least :P > > what's the real problem you're dealing with? > > On 2013-06-12, at 09:38, Guillermo Polito <guillermopolito(a)gmail.com> > wrote: > > > Buon giorno! > > > > I got pissed off when committing latex and figures and stuff into svn by > > command line... > > > > So, for playing the weekend, does somebody know if there is any package > > implementing an svn client (maybe using osprocess, i do not care ;) and a > > latex parser? > > > > Tx! > > Guille > > >

June 12, 2013

Re: [Pharo-users] SVN client and latex parser, are any there?

by Camillo Bruni

I use git over svn, so I sleep properly at night at least :P what's the real problem you're dealing with? On 2013-06-12, at 09:38, Guillermo Polito <guillermopolito(a)gmail.com> wrote: > Buon giorno! > > I got pissed off when committing latex and figures and stuff into svn by > command line... > > So, for playing the weekend, does somebody know if there is any package > implementing an svn client (maybe using osprocess, i do not care ;) and a > latex parser? > > Tx! > Guille

June 12, 2013

SVN client and latex parser, are any there?

by Guillermo Polito

Buon giorno! I got pissed off when committing latex and figures and stuff into svn by command line... So, for playing the weekend, does somebody know if there is any package implementing an svn client (maybe using osprocess, i do not care ;) and a latex parser? Tx! Guille

June 12, 2013

Re: [Pharo-users] auto-format on save/display in pharo 2?

by Guillermo Polito

I'd love to have a setting enabling that! <3 On Tue, Jun 11, 2013 at 11:39 PM, StÃ©phane Ducasse < stephane.ducasse(a)inria.fr> wrote: > not that I know but I would really like to experiment with such feature. > > On Jun 11, 2013, at 7:05 PM, Paul DeBruicker <pdebruic(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > > Is there a way to set the browser to auto format on save or display in > > pharo 2? > > > > > > Thanks > > > > > > > > >

June 12, 2013

Re: [Pharo-users] #stable not defined

by StÃ©phane Ducasse

>> Because I do not see why you need to load FileSystem or Moose. > > I had forgotten than FileSystem was in 2.0; I don't see Moose anywhere in the groups menu. > > But the general question is: when the stable load fails, what is plan-B for the user? I couldn't work this out from the source. I can see that there are various versions defined (eg, '4.0.9') but I'm not clear on where/what class to send the required messages to. > > On Tue, 11 Jun 2013 22:44:34 +0100, Sean P. DeNigris <sean(a)clipperadams.com> wrote: > >> Thomas Worthington-2 wrote >>> it would be nice if the "stable version" did not appear as an option on >>> those which do not >>> have one. >> >> I couldn't agree more. The configuration browser seems extremely limited. I >> guess it will be replaced by Versionner? That having been said, it's better >> than nothing, and provided to us for free, so if you are really want this >> fixed, at minimum open an issue, or better yet have a go yourself! > > I'm still trying to get to the point where I can produce a working application and be familiar with how things work in a proper, modern OO system. I'm employed during the day as a PHP-programmer and I can feel it rotting my brain. > > I agree that the browser is (much) better than nothing, I'm mainly just trying to find out what to do when there isn't a #stable version. Start using an image that we build on jenkins for example Seaside ((we should have a seaside jenkins job) if not we should do one. Please someone add a bug entry if there is no seaside build.) And load some of the package you need to build your application. - you can read the monticello/metacello chapter on the Pharo by example 2 book. We are working on automatically a process and tool to validate all the packages and dsitribution. This way we will all be sure that configruation are loading. We are also working on a tool to express configuration. So let us know what is missing for you to build your application. Stef

June 12, 2013