April 2013 - Pharo-users - lists.pharo.org

ConfigurationBrowser, Pharo 2.0

by Ingo Hohmann

Ingo Hohmann <ingo(a)2b1.de> (6 mins. ago) (1_Personal sent) Subject: To: Date: Mon, 08 Apr 2013 17:39:54 +0200 Hi all, I've played with squeak some time ago, and now I'll start doing the same with pharo. There are some personal projects I may or may not use pharo for - we'll just see. Some words about ConfigurationBrowser from a new user perspective: - The ConfigurationBrowser is the first thing that you are guided to after opening an image, and there all you see is a list of:words like: - Tuio - Glorp - Foo - STON ... (Finding out which of these can not be found there is left as an exercise for the reader ;-) It would be great to be presented with some info on what these packages actually do. In a 1.4 image I tried to find the ConfigurationOf... Classes, to go to the download webpages, but even there information was scarce. - the naming change of the tabs is good, but I propose a third tab: 'Work needed' for Configurations where it is known that some work is needed. This would save new users from loading configurations which are known to be broken, and send an even stronger message to the maintainers. Kind regards, Ingo

April 8, 2013

Seaside (3.0) on Pharo 2.0 (Zinc) and comet

by Ingo Hohmann

Hi, I'm not sure this is the right place to ask, has there been some progress on using comet with Zinc? (I found some mails from around April last year, that work would be done on it) Kind regards, Ingo

April 8, 2013

PharoConf Videos: Pharo Roadmap video online (full)

by Stephan Eggermont

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9xRVzzjgPu8 Rendering and uploading (probably 1 or 2 a day): Data Migration with Moose FileSystem-Git Pharo CLI Building UIs with Spec MongoDB Fuel & Tanker Others: later Stephan

April 8, 2013

Re: [Pharo-users] in anybody out there? who uses 2.0?

by Jeff Gray

Thanks for the link to the script Esteban. No errors was nice. I don't have the Seaside Control Panel. Is there something else I need to do to get that? Thanks, Jeff -- View this message in context: http://forum.world.st/in-anybody-out-there-who-uses-2-0-tp4678551p4680258.h… Sent from the Pharo Smalltalk Users mailing list archive at Nabble.com.

April 8, 2013

Re: [Pharo-users] [ANN] Fuel Release Version 1.9

by Martin Dias

I forgot to mention in the announcement that Camillo created a really cool CI build that tests a matrix of Fuel configurations: https://ci.inria.fr/pharo-contribution/job/Fuel/ Thank you very much! MartÃn On Mon, Apr 8, 2013 at 2:18 PM, Martin Dias <tinchodias(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > On Sun, Mar 31, 2013 at 11:06 AM, stephane ducasse < > stephane.ducasse(a)free.fr> wrote: > >> Thanks guys >> >> this is great. I'm really happy to see that the effort we started two >> years ago is paying off. >> > > Stef: thanks to you, INRIA and ESUG for the financial support during the > first years. That is important to remark. > > >

April 8, 2013

Re: [Pharo-users] [ANN] Fuel Release Version 1.9

by Martin Dias

On Fri, Mar 29, 2013 at 3:51 PM, Chris <cpmbailey(a)btinternet.com> wrote: > This is great news! > > I think Monticello running on top of Fuel should be a big priority for > 3.0. I think some of the recent comments about git are quite valid, and one > of the bigger barriers to people coming to Smalltalk recently. It would > probably bring me back from using FileTree and external version control. > Hi Chris, Yes... Last year I worked as Google Summer of Code student in a prototype that was called Tanker [1], which uses Fuel to export and import code. To load, it materializes the class, traits, methods definitions, and bypass the compiler to create them. But it is still a prototype that more work. Monticello has it's own small binary serializer and that's not the main bottleneck while loading code. Also currently it's not the main issue to whether compile or not. In 3.0 it's planned to have a new compiler and a new way to store the image's code. So I'd wait to have that features integrated, and then decide what to do. [1]: http://rmod.lille.inria.fr/web/pier/software/Tanker Cheers, Martin

April 8, 2013

Re: [Pharo-users] [ANN] Fuel Release Version 1.9

by Esteban A. Maringolo

2013/4/8 Martin Dias <tinchodias(a)gmail.com>: > > On Sun, Mar 31, 2013 at 11:06 AM, stephane ducasse > <stephane.ducasse(a)free.fr> wrote: >> >> Thanks guys >> >> this is great. I'm really happy to see that the effort we started two >> years ago is paying off. > > > Stef: thanks to you, INRIA and ESUG for the financial support during the > first years. That is important to remark. +1. Regards! -- Esteban.

April 8, 2013

Re: [Pharo-users] [ANN] Fuel Release Version 1.9

by Martin Dias

On Sun, Mar 31, 2013 at 11:06 AM, stephane ducasse <stephane.ducasse(a)free.fr > wrote: > Thanks guys > > this is great. I'm really happy to see that the effort we started two > years ago is paying off. > Stef: thanks to you, INRIA and ESUG for the financial support during the first years. That is important to remark.

April 8, 2013

Re: [Pharo-users] Open Source OODB's

by GÃ¶ran Krampe

Hey! On 04/06/2013 04:40 PM, Dennis Schetinin wrote: > Why Pharo or Squeak don't have a framework (based on Fuel for example) > that allows to control changes, execute transaction, save some parts of > image instead of whole image etc.? This could be less efficient then > GemStone, but loadable on demand, customizable and usable in smaller > projects. Maybe there's such a project living already? Or is it too much > for modern Smalltalk? I already posted about such a project in this thread, Oak, why didn't you notice?: http://goran.krampe.se/2012/12/29/oak/ > It's not complaining. I know the answer: there's no usable persistence > solution because I didn't create it :) I just want to know if someone > else thinks the same way as I do? Feel free to help out with Oak. It is exactly what you are asking for. regards, GÃ¶ran

April 8, 2013

Re: [Pharo-users] Open Source OODB's

by Esteban Lorenzano

Hi, for smaller projects you have: - the image it self :) - SandstoneDB http://www.squeaksource.com/SDGoodsStore.html - Magma http://www.squeaksource.com/Magma.html - ... and I'm sure there are others :) Esteban On Apr 6, 2013, at 4:40 PM, Dennis Schetinin <chaetal(a)gmail.com> wrote: > +1 > > BTW, I think that's a shame for smalltalkers to have so many libs for external persistence solutions. That's not a paradox. Alternatives are good, but Smalltalk was the first environment that had built-in persistence as much as 35, if not 40 years ago. Is there much progress since that time? I wouldn't say so. GemStone is great, but it's monolithic. And pricey. And that's one more Smalltalk in our Balkans. > > Why Pharo or Squeak don't have a framework (based on Fuel for example) that allows to control changes, execute transaction, save some parts of image instead of whole image etc.? This could be less efficient then GemStone, but loadable on demand, customizable and usable in smaller projects. Maybe there's such a project living already? Or is it too much for modern Smalltalk? > > It's not complaining. I know the answer: there's no usable persistence solution because I didn't create it :) I just want to know if someone else thinks the same way as I do? Consider that a very first step towards starting such a project, if it is feasible at allâ¦ > > > > -- > > Best regards, > > > > Dennis Schetinin > > > > 2013/4/6 stephane ducasse <stephane.ducasse(a)free.fr> > > >> Hi >> 2013/4/1 Victor Stan <victor.stan(a)gmail.com> >> Hi, >> >> Are there any open source OODB's out there? Alternatives to GemStone? >> >> I think there is no alternavise to GemStone. > > I hope not :) > Gemstone is good but an ecosystem with only one solution would look rather limited to me. > >> Because GemStome is not just data store. It is applicaton server where you work in multi user image system. >> Imagine single Pharo image which can work under different parallel VM instances (maybe running on different machines) which have concurrent access to same image objects, can commit it changes (save same image). >> > >

April 8, 2013