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Re: [Pharo-users] How to deploy a Pharo 2.0 Desktop application?

by Ben Coman

There is also http://squeak.preeminent.org/tut2007/html/205.html which however was for Squeak 3.9 circa 2007, so YMMV. cheers -ben MartinW wrote: > Thank you all for the answers. I will sum up where i am now: > > > - How to properly start up and shut down my application when the Pharo image > starts and shuts down? > > Ok, problem solved via > Smalltalk addToStartUpList: and > Smalltalk addToShutDownList: > > > - Can i give the Pharo window a custom size and make it non-resizable? > > Halfway solved. DisplayScreen class>>#hostWindowSize: works well. > Would be really nice if it was possible to make the window unresizable from > within the image. It would also be nice to control the initial position of > the Pharo Window on the HostOS screen. > > I can see many One-Window-Desktop-Applications that could be done with Pharo > if one had more control over the one Pharo window. > > Can i still submit entries to GoogleIssueTracker or do i have to wait for a > public accessible FogBugs site? > > > - How to hide development tools, world menu, global keyboard shortcuts, > etc.? > > The suggestion to work with the keychain worked best so far - where can i > get more information on the keychain? Also there are some bugs. > > > - How to make a nice One-Click-Application, that preferably should have the > name and icon of the application and not be called Pharo (not because i do > not love Pharo, but because people won't understand :) > > I work on a Mac, so i guess i cannot easily build a Windows VM on MacOS? > Anyway this would be too much work for the application in question. But it > might be interesing for future projects. > > > - How to automate all the above tasks, so i can easily build a new > One-Click-Application again and again. > > Ok, i can adapt the One-Click scripts. > > > - What do i state as system requirements? "You need at least Windows XYZ or > MacOS 10.X to run this application" > > My question was just, "What are the System requirements for the PharoVM?" - > because this will be also the system requirements for my application. Does > anybody know? > > Martin. > > > > -- > View this message in context: http://forum.world.st/How-to-deploy-a-Pharo-2-0-Desktop-application-tp46766… > Sent from the Pharo Smalltalk Users mailing list archive at Nabble.com. > > >

March 15, 2013

Re: [Pharo-users] [Pharo-project] Log of the retrospective analysis from Pharo 2.0

by Tudor Girba

Thanks for the report. It's great to see you doing a retrospective. I hope you will do it regularly :). Cheers, Doru On Mar 15, 2013, at 9:49 PM, StÃ©phane Ducasse <stephane.ducasse(a)inria.fr> wrote: > Hello happy pharoers > > Since Pharo2.0 will be released pretty soon, we led a retrospective analysis to learn and improve our process. > Here are the notes taken by clement from the meeting led by esteban with all the team here. > > Pharo 2.0 Retrospective meeting by Esteban Lorenzo > > The Good > â¢ BugTracker as Backlog > â¢ Sprint / mini - sprint / pair programming > â¢ Locking changes before release > â¢ Community getting involved > â¢ Web doc > â¢ jenkins : the monkey, zeroconf script > â¢ Smalltalkhub > The Bad > â¢ Trello > â¢ We need a place to backlog what to do. We should use the FogBugz bug tracker > â¢ Long development cycle (1 year), Focus problem : most things works but are not finished > â¢ We should have a 1 to 2 months cycle with a part where we introduce new things and a part where we only fix bugs. At the end of each cycle, Pharo should be stable. Each cycle should have a retrospective meeting. We should pair program every friday afternoons on Pharo improvements. > â¢ New failing test in Jenkins, Red builds on jenkins stayed forever > â¢ We need a clear separation between pharo and pharo contribution both on smalltalk hub and Jenkins to have a clean green front end to show to end users > â¢ In case of a red build, we need a quick meeting to pick someone to fix it. > â¢ We need to fix the red builds on the friday' mandatory mini sprint > â¢ Integrator bottleneck > â¢ More intelligent monkey > â¢ better tools (spec tool idea from Esteban where you just click accept and the slce is integrated) > â¢ New features accepted only with tests and comments > â¢ Only slices accepted no more change sets > â¢ Pointless discussions on the mailing list > â¢ Documentation : class comments, ... > â¢ do not integrate undocumented features > â¢ add code critics features in the monkey > â¢ change the template of the class comment > The Ugly > â¢ 2 weeks lost : broken image during ESUG > â¢ 2 weeks lost : beginning of the year : no VM working, jenkins couldnât test things. > â¢ -> we will staged development. > â¢ Communication failed : team and community > â¢ For new features, send more mails to the Pharo or RMOD mailing list and less to the RMOD mailing list or private mails between few people > â¢ Infrastructure > â¢ VM : stability > â¢ Stability : 1 VM release per Pharo release. 1 official Vm which is not just some VM from a build. > â¢ Stability : VM not release if an acceptance list does not work with the VM. The acceptance list is for now all the Pharo core, seaside and Moose > -- www.tudorgirba.com "Not knowing how to do something is not an argument for how it cannot be done."

March 15, 2013

Re: [Pharo-users] Changing mouse position from Pharo.

by stephane ducasse

On Mar 15, 2013, at 9:24 AM, phil(a)highoctane.be wrote: > Compared to your speed, I am an anemic snail Stef. > > Still, I am very interested in that area of which you showed me > interesting internals. > > Curious about the double dispatch you want to do there. Tell me. You can have a look at it on http://smalltalkhub.com/#!/~Pharo/EventModel/packages/EventModel we should continue to work on it. Fernando is using it since quite a moment :) Stef > Phil > > 2013/3/15 stephane ducasse <stephane.ducasse(a)free.fr>: >> >> On Mar 14, 2013, at 7:29 PM, phil(a)highoctane.be wrote: >> >>> About basic events, well Apple has internal events and the UIEvents. >>> The internal events are basic and the UIEvents are user friendly an >>> dppl can do double dispatch on them. These are two levels: one for the >>> frameworks, and one for dealing with the low level. >>> >>> Anyway, I'd say a proper TextEditorMorph would be a priority over any >>> event handling codeâ¦ >> >> Alain will start to work on it and Athens will be pushed in 3.0 soon. >> Now I work on what I can and learn slowly. >> >> Stef >> >

March 15, 2013

Log of the retrospective analysis from Pharo 2.0

by StÃ©phane Ducasse

Hello happy pharoers Since Pharo2.0 will be released pretty soon, we led a retrospective analysis to learn and improve our process. Here are the notes taken by clement from the meeting led by esteban with all the team here. Pharo 2.0 Retrospective meeting by Esteban Lorenzo The Good BugTracker as Backlog Sprint / mini - sprint / pair programming Locking changes before release Community getting involved Web doc jenkins : the monkey, zeroconf script Smalltalkhub The Bad Trello We need a place to backlog what to do. We should use the FogBugz bug tracker Long development cycle (1 year), Focus problem : most things works but are not finished We should have a 1 to 2 months cycle with a part where we introduce new things and a part where we only fix bugs. At the end of each cycle, Pharo should be stable. Each cycle should have a retrospective meeting. We should pair program every friday afternoons on Pharo improvements. New failing test in Jenkins, Red builds on jenkins stayed forever We need a clear separation between pharo and pharo contribution both on smalltalk hub and Jenkins to have a clean green front end to show to end users In case of a red build, we need a quick meeting to pick someone to fix it. We need to fix the red builds on the friday' mandatory mini sprint Integrator bottleneck More intelligent monkey better tools (spec tool idea from Esteban where you just click accept and the slce is integrated) New features accepted only with tests and comments Only slices accepted no more change sets Pointless discussions on the mailing list Documentation : class comments, ... do not integrate undocumented features add code critics features in the monkey change the template of the class comment The Ugly 2 weeks lost : broken image during ESUG 2 weeks lost : beginning of the year : no VM working, jenkins couldnât test things. -> we will staged development. Communication failed : team and community For new features, send more mails to the Pharo or RMOD mailing list and less to the RMOD mailing list or private mails between few people Infrastructure VM : stability Stability : 1 VM release per Pharo release. 1 official Vm which is not just some VM from a build. Stability : VM not release if an acceptance list does not work with the VM. The acceptance list is for now all the Pharo core, seaside and Moose

March 15, 2013

GSOC Proposal: Smalltalkhub continuous integration service

by Esteban Lorenzano

Level: intermediate Possible mentor: Nicolas Petton Possible second mentor: Esteban Lorenzano Description: Continuous integration services are becoming a fundamental part of programming process, and tools for easy the execution of builds are emerging and being integrated directly into the version control systems (like travis and github). We propose to add this facilities to pharo flag version control service (smalltalkhub), to facilitate the adoption of continuous integration processes into our community. Technical Details: This project implies the extension of smalltalkhub and the configuration of building jobs into the pharo community public infrastructure (and explore the possibility of using travis itself). Benefits to the Student - Use a highly reflective dynamic language - Learn to develop a complex multi-module architecture with several communication pipes. - Learn about REST interfaces. - Learn about integration of different services developed in different technologies. - Learn web application development techniques. Benefits to the Community - have a platform for automate continuous integration processes - indirectly increase the quality level of the frameworks developed

March 15, 2013

Re: [Pharo-users] Unicode in Smalltalk

by Mohammad Al Houssami (Alumni)

Ok it's just that I didnât understand the notation he used. Its clear now. I know about radix and bases and all this stuff but itâs the notation that got me confused. The whole thing was just changing the notations from base 16 to base 10. I tried it and it works. Thank you Paul and Igor. -----Original Message----- From: pharo-users-bounces(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr [mailto:pharo-users-bounces@lists.gforge.inria.fr] On Behalf Of Paul DeBruicker Sent: Friday, March 15, 2013 2:04 PM To: A friendly place where any question about pharo is welcome Subject: Re: [Pharo-users] Unicode in Smalltalk Its not base 'r'. its base 16. In Smalltalk you use 'r' to denote the fact that your specifying the base (radix) (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Radix) of a number. So Igor was pointing out that for the hexadecimal representation of the decimal number 10 you use 16rA For the binary representation of the decimal number 10 you use 2r00001010 and for octal its 8r12 so when he says <base>r<number> he's just pointing out the pattern I show when showing you how to manipulate the decimal number 10 in base 16, 2, and 8 above. Also to see what a number is in a different base (radix) use this: 10 radix: 4 or 16rA radix: 10 2r00001010 radix: 10 8r12 radix: 10 hope this helps Paul On 03/15/2013 06:35 AM, Mohammad Al Houssami (Alumni) wrote: > Im new to smalltalk so im not sure how you derived the numbers. > So if I have 000A as a unicode how do I do the transformation? I donât > know how you got > 2r10101101 > 16rA > > And what are base r and number in <base>r<number> ? > > Thanks again > Mohammad > > -----Original Message----- > From: pharo-users-bounces(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > [mailto:pharo-users-bounces@lists.gforge.inria.fr] On Behalf Of Igor > Stasenko > Sent: Friday, March 15, 2013 12:54 PM > To: A friendly place where any question about pharo is welcome > Subject: Re: [Pharo-users] Unicode in Smalltalk > > On 15 March 2013 13:44, Mohammad Al Houssami (Alumni) <mha53(a)mail.aub.edu> wrote: >> Im not sure where you got the 16r0026 from. What I have is something >> like this >> U+0009 CHARACTER TABULATION (tab) >> U+000A LINE FEED (LF) >> U+000C FORM FEED (FF) >> U+0020 SPACE >> >> Whats on the left is the unicode representation. In some cases there >> is no actual character to compare to( so I cant compare to < > &....) What I will have to do is to create a character with unicode value U+000A. >> I have tried myCharacter:= 000A asCharacter. But it doesn't work. >> >> When I try to print myCharacter it gives an error because it doesn't understand the A. >> > because 000A is not valid literal in smalltalk. > it is actually understood by compiler as unary message: > 0 A > > if you want to use hexadecimal integer litrals, you should use radix notation: > > <base>r<number> > > try: > > 2r10101101 > 16rA > > > >> Thanks >> Mohammad > > -- > Best regards, > Igor Stasenko. > >

March 15, 2013

Re: [Pharo-users] Unicode in Smalltalk

by Paul DeBruicker

Its not base 'r'. its base 16. In Smalltalk you use 'r' to denote the fact that your specifying the base (radix) (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Radix) of a number. So Igor was pointing out that for the hexadecimal representation of the decimal number 10 you use 16rA For the binary representation of the decimal number 10 you use 2r00001010 and for octal its 8r12 so when he says <base>r<number> he's just pointing out the pattern I show when showing you how to manipulate the decimal number 10 in base 16, 2, and 8 above. Also to see what a number is in a different base (radix) use this: 10 radix: 4 or 16rA radix: 10 2r00001010 radix: 10 8r12 radix: 10 hope this helps Paul On 03/15/2013 06:35 AM, Mohammad Al Houssami (Alumni) wrote: > Im new to smalltalk so im not sure how you derived the numbers. > So if I have 000A as a unicode how do I do the transformation? I donât know how you got > 2r10101101 > 16rA > > And what are base r and number in <base>r<number> ? > > Thanks again > Mohammad > > -----Original Message----- > From: pharo-users-bounces(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr [mailto:pharo-users-bounces@lists.gforge.inria.fr] On Behalf Of Igor Stasenko > Sent: Friday, March 15, 2013 12:54 PM > To: A friendly place where any question about pharo is welcome > Subject: Re: [Pharo-users] Unicode in Smalltalk > > On 15 March 2013 13:44, Mohammad Al Houssami (Alumni) <mha53(a)mail.aub.edu> wrote: >> Im not sure where you got the 16r0026 from. What I have is something >> like this >> U+0009 CHARACTER TABULATION (tab) >> U+000A LINE FEED (LF) >> U+000C FORM FEED (FF) >> U+0020 SPACE >> >> Whats on the left is the unicode representation. In some cases there >> is no actual character to compare to( so I cant compare to < > &....) What I will have to do is to create a character with unicode value U+000A. >> I have tried myCharacter:= 000A asCharacter. But it doesn't work. >> >> When I try to print myCharacter it gives an error because it doesn't understand the A. >> > because 000A is not valid literal in smalltalk. > it is actually understood by compiler as unary message: > 0 A > > if you want to use hexadecimal integer litrals, you should use radix notation: > > <base>r<number> > > try: > > 2r10101101 > 16rA > > > >> Thanks >> Mohammad > > -- > Best regards, > Igor Stasenko. > >

March 15, 2013

Re: [Pharo-users] How to deploy a Pharo 2.0 Desktop application?

by S Krish

VisualAge has one wizard that is quite old, but gives the user an ability to dump a folder with an myapp.exe launcher that can be zipped / converted into an installer easily. It goes through nearly all of the steps we talk of. On Thu, Mar 14, 2013 at 5:48 PM, Igor Stasenko <siguctua(a)gmail.com> wrote: > On 14 March 2013 10:09, Torsten Bergmann <astares(a)gmx.de> wrote: > > Maybe my old description from Squeak times can help here a little bit: > > > > Win32 Custom Product Building http://squeakvm.org/win32/custom.html > > > > You may also be able to use http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Resource_Hacker > > on an existing VM executable I guess. > > > > There is no service yet to build a custom VM. > > > > Also have a look at ImageLocker-Core-tbn.1.mcz from > http://squeaksource.com/PharoGoodies/ > > > > Also look at > http://stackoverflow.com/questions/3714631/adding-stuff-to-run-on-startup-o… > > > > I think in a future we should provide a solution to the topic, without > requiring the developer to > build own VM or install extra software and learn how to use it.. > > > > Bye > > T. > > > -- > Best regards, > Igor Stasenko. > >

March 15, 2013

Re: [Pharo-users] Unicode in Smalltalk

by Mohammad Al Houssami (Alumni)

Im new to smalltalk so im not sure how you derived the numbers. So if I have 000A as a unicode how do I do the transformation? I donât know how you got 2r10101101 16rA And what are base r and number in <base>r<number> ? Thanks again Mohammad -----Original Message----- From: pharo-users-bounces(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr [mailto:pharo-users-bounces@lists.gforge.inria.fr] On Behalf Of Igor Stasenko Sent: Friday, March 15, 2013 12:54 PM To: A friendly place where any question about pharo is welcome Subject: Re: [Pharo-users] Unicode in Smalltalk On 15 March 2013 13:44, Mohammad Al Houssami (Alumni) <mha53(a)mail.aub.edu> wrote: > Im not sure where you got the 16r0026 from. What I have is something > like this > U+0009 CHARACTER TABULATION (tab) > U+000A LINE FEED (LF) > U+000C FORM FEED (FF) > U+0020 SPACE > > Whats on the left is the unicode representation. In some cases there > is no actual character to compare to( so I cant compare to < > &....) What I will have to do is to create a character with unicode value U+000A. > I have tried myCharacter:= 000A asCharacter. But it doesn't work. > > When I try to print myCharacter it gives an error because it doesn't understand the A. > because 000A is not valid literal in smalltalk. it is actually understood by compiler as unary message: 0 A if you want to use hexadecimal integer litrals, you should use radix notation: <base>r<number> try: 2r10101101 16rA > Thanks > Mohammad -- Best regards, Igor Stasenko.

March 15, 2013

Re: [Pharo-users] How to deploy a Pharo 2.0 Desktop application?

by Esteban Lorenzano

On Mar 15, 2013, at 11:25 AM, MartinW <wm(a)fastmail.fm> wrote: > Thank you all for the answers. I will sum up where i am now: > > > - How to properly start up and shut down my application when the Pharo image > starts and shuts down? > > Ok, problem solved via > Smalltalk addToStartUpList: and > Smalltalk addToShutDownList: > > > - Can i give the Pharo window a custom size and make it non-resizable? > > Halfway solved. DisplayScreen class>>#hostWindowSize: works well. > Would be really nice if it was possible to make the window unresizable from > within the image. It would also be nice to control the initial position of > the Pharo Window on the HostOS screen. the problem is that container window is created before launching pharo. Using the ObjectiveCBridge (or the upcoming NB-ObjC) you could change the main Window properties in mac, and you could do something similar in win... but is not so easy in every case... If my dreams of decouple the UI from the VM (and mamage the display initialization through the image) become true, that could be better managed, but so far, we don't have easy answers, sorry :) > > I can see many One-Window-Desktop-Applications that could be done with Pharo > if one had more control over the one Pharo window. > > Can i still submit entries to GoogleIssueTracker or do i have to wait for a > public accessible FogBugs site? you can still report in the issue tracker and issue will be automatically migrated. Also you can wait a bit :) > > > - How to hide development tools, world menu, global keyboard shortcuts, > etc.? > > The suggestion to work with the keychain worked best so far - where can i > get more information on the keychain? Also there are some bugs. just report to the pharo-dev list. keychain is complicated and the UI is not the best, but mainly works :P > > > - How to make a nice One-Click-Application, that preferably should have the > name and icon of the application and not be called Pharo (not because i do > not love Pharo, but because people won't understand :) > > I work on a Mac, so i guess i cannot easily build a Windows VM on MacOS? > Anyway this would be too much work for the application in question. But it > might be interesing for future projects. > > > - How to automate all the above tasks, so i can easily build a new > One-Click-Application again and again. > > Ok, i can adapt the One-Click scripts. > > > - What do i state as system requirements? "You need at least Windows XYZ or > MacOS 10.X to run this application" > > My question was just, "What are the System requirements for the PharoVM?" - > because this will be also the system requirements for my application. Does > anybody know? Win 3.1 or newer OSX 10.6 or newer :) Esteban > > Martin. > > > > -- > View this message in context: http://forum.world.st/How-to-deploy-a-Pharo-2-0-Desktop-application-tp46766… > Sent from the Pharo Smalltalk Users mailing list archive at Nabble.com. >

March 15, 2013