February 2013 - Pharo-users

Is this possible with XMLWriter?

by Torsten Bergmann

Using XMLWriter writer directly is stream based and will not help you here. In Pharo 2.0 load "Pastell" (ConfigurationOfPastell) from the config browser. It also loads ConfigurationOfXMLSupport as a single dependency. This "XMLSupport" package is usually used for parsing XML and with "Pastell" you can easily access nodes like in XPath see http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6fUtdQ0-5yA for a pastell video Havent tried but with "XMLSupport" I'm sure you can also manually instantiate/connect/build the nodes and document, manipulate the object tree and write out the contents as XML file later. At least there are methods like #writeXMLOn: aWriter in classes like XMLDocument XMLNodeWithChildren, ... Bye T.

Feb. 27, 2013

Re: [Pharo-users] Aida 6.5 loading in Pharo 2.0!

by phil＠highoctane.be

Yes, I positively hate the 'Untrusted' word. Weren't we talkin about extras/contrib and stuff? Isn't that the right terminology to align with that tab? Another question: Why can't we put those things in Smalltalkhub as well? Phil 2013/2/27 Igor Stasenko <siguctua(a)gmail.com>: > On 27 February 2013 17:28, Sven Van Caekenberghe <sven(a)stfx.eu> wrote: >> >> On 27 Feb 2013, at 17:07, Paul DeBruicker <pdebruic(a)gmail.com> wrote: >> >>> And I thought 'Untrusted' was going to be renamed 'Community Supported' >>> or some such. Did that decision get changed or just slide through the >>> cracks? >> >> Yes, I think that should be done, untrusted is a bit negative. >> > +1 > > perhaps author meant 'Unofficial', because untrusted is really scary :) > > but i think 'Community Supported' is most precise. > >> The configuration browser is also too minimal right now, and a bit confusing. >> >> We should try to come up with more user friendly phrases on the menu. >> >> It would also be quite useful if the CB knew if a config was present and/or loaded. >> >> A way to browse the config code would also be welcome. >> >>> On 02/27/2013 08:00 AM, Torsten Bergmann wrote: >>>> Janko wrote: >>>>> One-click load of Aida from Configuration Browser is now possibl >>>> >>>> >>>> We manually make a copy of configs that are know to work for a specific >>>> Pharo version into a specific "/MetaRepoForPharoXX". This will be automated in the future >>>> with automatic validation, etc. >>>> >>>> So if Aida is really working in Pharo 2.0 then please make a copy of the sepcific >>>> ConfigurationOfAida mcz into ss3.gemstone.com/ss/MetaRepoForPharo20 >>>> using the "Copy" button of the Monticello repo browser. >>>> >>>> This way it will appear in "Configurations" tab in configuration browser >>>> (containing the configs that are know to work). >>>> >>>> Currently Aidi is only in "Untrusted" since this is the repo for all configs >>>> (squeaksource.com/MetacelloRepository) >>>> >>>> >>>> I also think it would be nice if you also >>>> >>>> - add a beginners workspace with "SwazooAida start." >>>> You can use >>>> >>>> spec postLoadDoIt: #postloadForCore:package: >>>> >>>> with >>>> postloadForCore: loader package: packageSpec >>>> >>>> Workspace openContents: 'SwazooAida start.' >>>> >>>> - or you add a menu entry and server start panel, have a look at ConfigurationOfPharoOnlineHelp for an example >>>> >>>> This way even a complete beginner can easily start just by >>>> loading Aida using the config browser in 2.0 and then "jump start" into the browser. >>>> >>>> Bye >>>> T. >>>> >>> >>> >> >> > > > > -- > Best regards, > Igor Stasenko. > >

Feb. 27, 2013

Re: [Pharo-users] Aida 6.5 loading in Pharo 2.0!

by Igor Stasenko

On 27 February 2013 17:28, Sven Van Caekenberghe <sven(a)stfx.eu> wrote: > > On 27 Feb 2013, at 17:07, Paul DeBruicker <pdebruic(a)gmail.com> wrote: > >> And I thought 'Untrusted' was going to be renamed 'Community Supported' >> or some such. Did that decision get changed or just slide through the >> cracks? > > Yes, I think that should be done, untrusted is a bit negative. > +1 perhaps author meant 'Unofficial', because untrusted is really scary :) but i think 'Community Supported' is most precise. > The configuration browser is also too minimal right now, and a bit confusing. > > We should try to come up with more user friendly phrases on the menu. > > It would also be quite useful if the CB knew if a config was present and/or loaded. > > A way to browse the config code would also be welcome. > >> On 02/27/2013 08:00 AM, Torsten Bergmann wrote: >>> Janko wrote: >>>> One-click load of Aida from Configuration Browser is now possibl >>> >>> >>> We manually make a copy of configs that are know to work for a specific >>> Pharo version into a specific "/MetaRepoForPharoXX". This will be automated in the future >>> with automatic validation, etc. >>> >>> So if Aida is really working in Pharo 2.0 then please make a copy of the sepcific >>> ConfigurationOfAida mcz into ss3.gemstone.com/ss/MetaRepoForPharo20 >>> using the "Copy" button of the Monticello repo browser. >>> >>> This way it will appear in "Configurations" tab in configuration browser >>> (containing the configs that are know to work). >>> >>> Currently Aidi is only in "Untrusted" since this is the repo for all configs >>> (squeaksource.com/MetacelloRepository) >>> >>> >>> I also think it would be nice if you also >>> >>> - add a beginners workspace with "SwazooAida start." >>> You can use >>> >>> spec postLoadDoIt: #postloadForCore:package: >>> >>> with >>> postloadForCore: loader package: packageSpec >>> >>> Workspace openContents: 'SwazooAida start.' >>> >>> - or you add a menu entry and server start panel, have a look at ConfigurationOfPharoOnlineHelp for an example >>> >>> This way even a complete beginner can easily start just by >>> loading Aida using the config browser in 2.0 and then "jump start" into the browser. >>> >>> Bye >>> T. >>> >> >> > > -- Best regards, Igor Stasenko.

Feb. 27, 2013

Aida 6.5 loading in Pharo 2.0!

by Torsten Bergmann

Sven wrote: >It would also be quite useful if the CB knew if a config was present and/or loaded I started with a new implementation based on spec: https://code.google.com/p/pharo/issues/detail?id=7533 It displays an icon when the ConfigurationOfXXX is loaded. Feel free to help! Thanks Torsten

Feb. 27, 2013

Aida 6.5 loading in Pharo 2.0!

by Torsten Bergmann

>And I thought 'Untrusted' was going to be renamed 'Community Supported' >or some such. Did that decision get changed or just slide through the >cracks? No "Community supported" sounds like you get something "supported" and working, but some of them are outdated and even do not contain a #stable definition. This "Untrusted" is just a convenience to easily load from the common http://squeaksource.com/MetacelloRepository/ and check if they are working. Esteban added it. A ConfigurationOfXXX (either in MetacelloRepository or in your own project repo): - if known to work in Pharo 2.0 it should be copied also to ss3.gemstone.com/ss/MetaRepoForPharo20 - if known to work in Pharo 1.4 it should be copied also to http://squeaksource.com/MetaRepoForPharo14 So the first tab in configuration browser contains the ones that have been (currently manually) verified to work in the Pharo version you have in front of you and the ones on the second "untrusted" tab may or may not work in Pharo 2.0. Maybe we should remove the second tab before release. Bye T.

Feb. 27, 2013

Re: [Pharo-users] Aida 6.5 loading in Pharo 2.0!

by Sven Van Caekenberghe

On 27 Feb 2013, at 17:07, Paul DeBruicker <pdebruic(a)gmail.com> wrote: > And I thought 'Untrusted' was going to be renamed 'Community Supported' > or some such. Did that decision get changed or just slide through the > cracks? Yes, I think that should be done, untrusted is a bit negative. The configuration browser is also too minimal right now, and a bit confusing. We should try to come up with more user friendly phrases on the menu. It would also be quite useful if the CB knew if a config was present and/or loaded. A way to browse the config code would also be welcome. > On 02/27/2013 08:00 AM, Torsten Bergmann wrote: >> Janko wrote: >>> One-click load of Aida from Configuration Browser is now possibl >> >> >> We manually make a copy of configs that are know to work for a specific >> Pharo version into a specific "/MetaRepoForPharoXX". This will be automated in the future >> with automatic validation, etc. >> >> So if Aida is really working in Pharo 2.0 then please make a copy of the sepcific >> ConfigurationOfAida mcz into ss3.gemstone.com/ss/MetaRepoForPharo20 >> using the "Copy" button of the Monticello repo browser. >> >> This way it will appear in "Configurations" tab in configuration browser >> (containing the configs that are know to work). >> >> Currently Aidi is only in "Untrusted" since this is the repo for all configs >> (squeaksource.com/MetacelloRepository) >> >> >> I also think it would be nice if you also >> >> - add a beginners workspace with "SwazooAida start." >> You can use >> >> spec postLoadDoIt: #postloadForCore:package: >> >> with >> postloadForCore: loader package: packageSpec >> >> Workspace openContents: 'SwazooAida start.' >> >> - or you add a menu entry and server start panel, have a look at ConfigurationOfPharoOnlineHelp for an example >> >> This way even a complete beginner can easily start just by >> loading Aida using the config browser in 2.0 and then "jump start" into the browser. >> >> Bye >> T. >> > >

Feb. 27, 2013

Re: [Pharo-users] Aida 6.5 loading in Pharo 2.0!

by Paul DeBruicker

And I thought 'Untrusted' was going to be renamed 'Community Supported' or some such. Did that decision get changed or just slide through the cracks? On 02/27/2013 08:00 AM, Torsten Bergmann wrote: > Janko wrote: >> One-click load of Aida from Configuration Browser is now possibl > > > We manually make a copy of configs that are know to work for a specific > Pharo version into a specific "/MetaRepoForPharoXX". This will be automated in the future > with automatic validation, etc. > > So if Aida is really working in Pharo 2.0 then please make a copy of the sepcific > ConfigurationOfAida mcz into ss3.gemstone.com/ss/MetaRepoForPharo20 > using the "Copy" button of the Monticello repo browser. > > This way it will appear in "Configurations" tab in configuration browser > (containing the configs that are know to work). > > Currently Aidi is only in "Untrusted" since this is the repo for all configs > (squeaksource.com/MetacelloRepository) > > > I also think it would be nice if you also > > - add a beginners workspace with "SwazooAida start." > You can use > > spec postLoadDoIt: #postloadForCore:package: > > with > postloadForCore: loader package: packageSpec > > Workspace openContents: 'SwazooAida start.' > > - or you add a menu entry and server start panel, have a look at ConfigurationOfPharoOnlineHelp for an example > > This way even a complete beginner can easily start just by > loading Aida using the config browser in 2.0 and then "jump start" into the browser. > > Bye > T. >

Feb. 27, 2013

Aida 6.5 loading in Pharo 2.0!

by Torsten Bergmann

Janko wrote: >One-click load of Aida from Configuration Browser is now possibl We manually make a copy of configs that are know to work for a specific Pharo version into a specific "/MetaRepoForPharoXX". This will be automated in the future with automatic validation, etc. So if Aida is really working in Pharo 2.0 then please make a copy of the sepcific ConfigurationOfAida mcz into ss3.gemstone.com/ss/MetaRepoForPharo20 using the "Copy" button of the Monticello repo browser. This way it will appear in "Configurations" tab in configuration browser (containing the configs that are know to work). Currently Aidi is only in "Untrusted" since this is the repo for all configs (squeaksource.com/MetacelloRepository) I also think it would be nice if you also - add a beginners workspace with "SwazooAida start." You can use spec postLoadDoIt: #postloadForCore:package: with postloadForCore: loader package: packageSpec Workspace openContents: 'SwazooAida start.' - or you add a menu entry and server start panel, have a look at ConfigurationOfPharoOnlineHelp for an example This way even a complete beginner can easily start just by loading Aida using the config browser in 2.0 and then "jump start" into the browser. Bye T.

Feb. 27, 2013

Re: [Pharo-users] Aida 6.5 loading in Pharo 2.0!

by Janko MivÅ¡ek

Hi guys, One-click load of Aida from Configuration Browser is now possible just by selecting Install Configuration (Stable version)from right-click menu. No need for any script as Phil needed because a #stable symbolic version was not declared in ConfigurationOfAida. Now it is. I also just patched Aida so that realtime (WebSocked) demo works again. By "downgrading" the String>>#includesSubString to use a bit uglier but the least common denominator between all Smalltalk dialects: String>>#findString:statingAt:. FYI: this is a common example how Aida solves the portability problem without needing too invasive approaches. Best regards Janko Dne 25. 02. 2013 23:46, piÅ¡e phil(a)highoctane.be: > I loaded the 'Aida (janko.43)' from the Configuration browser. > > Then: > > (ConfigurationOfAida project version: '6.5') load. > > SwazooAida start. > > And I got the demo working on http://localhost:8888 > > Hey, cool. > > -- Janko MivÅ¡ek Aida/Web Smalltalk Web Application Server http://www.aidaweb.si

Feb. 27, 2013

Re: [Pharo-users] Aida 6.5 loading in Pharo 2.0!

by stephane ducasse

+1 >> I loaded the 'Aida (janko.43)' from the Configuration browser. >> >> Then: >> >> (ConfigurationOfAida project version: '6.5') load. >> >> SwazooAida start. >> >> And I got the demo working on http://localhost:8888 >> >> Hey, cool. > > That is great news, and how it should be: good out of the box experience using the proper infrastructure. > > Thanks, Janko and co. > > Sven > > > -- > Sven Van Caekenberghe > http://stfx.eu > Smalltalk is the Red Pill > >

Feb. 26, 2013