December 2013 - Pharo-users

Re: [Pharo-users] How to contribute [WAS: Re: WebClient Issues on Pharo 2.0]

by Esteban Lorenzano

On 24 Dec 2013, at 14:54, HernÃ¡n Morales Durand <hernan.morales(a)gmail.com> wrote: > Then you better read how populations or languages become extinct. if you can be less generic and more specific, please. Iâm trying to understand, not to make any points. Esteban > > HernÃ¡n > > > 2013/12/24 Esteban Lorenzano <estebanlm(a)gmail.com> > btw that also means that we do not accept code in the form of : simple packages (without configuration or Issue/SLICE), change sets or code in mail threads (something that happens a lot more than it should). > > On 24 Dec 2013, at 14:06, Esteban Lorenzano <estebanlm(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > Yeah, that part I can understand it. > > What I donât understand is what would be that. > > > > Packages part of pharo core are in in Pharo team in smalltalkhub > > Packages part of pharo extras are un PharoExtras team in smalltalkhub > > > > we, as core pharo developers take responsibility over the packages that resides there, and of course any contribution is welcome. > > > > For the stuff in Pharo team, you need to work in the form of âIssue reportâ and âSLICE providerâ. > > For the stuff in PharoExtras, you can provide just the package updates + the *updated* configuration. > > > > All PharoExtras projects should have a jenkins job in https://ci.inria.fr/pharo-contribution/? > > And you should take care that job is green after you commit your packages. > > > > For contribute in any of the teams, Pharo and PharoExtras you need to be added as team member, and that can be done just requiting it in pharo-dev list (which, btw, is a better place for this discussion). > > > > Esteban > > > > On 24 Dec 2013, at 13:57, HernÃ¡n Morales Durand <hernan.morales(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > >> El 24/12/2013 9:06, Esteban Lorenzano escribiÃ³: > >>> > >>> On 24 Dec 2013, at 12:34, HernÃ¡n Morales Durand <hernan.morales(a)gmail.com> wrote: > >>> > >>>> I am interested in how to proceed about community packages. I have previously asked and nobody replied: > >>>> > >>>> http://forum.world.st/Programmatic-Scoped-Browsing-td4724820.html > >>> > >>> what is a âcommunity packageâ? > >>> > >> > >> The point of a community package is to involve as much of the community as possible. > >> > >> HernÃ¡n > >> > >> > > > > > > >

Dec. 24, 2013

Re: [Pharo-users] How to contribute [WAS: Re: WebClient Issues on Pharo 2.0]

by HernÃ¡n Morales Durand

Then you better read how populations or languages become extinct. HernÃ¡n 2013/12/24 Esteban Lorenzano <estebanlm(a)gmail.com> > btw that also means that we do not accept code in the form of : simple > packages (without configuration or Issue/SLICE), change sets or code in > mail threads (something that happens a lot more than it should). > > On 24 Dec 2013, at 14:06, Esteban Lorenzano <estebanlm(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > Yeah, that part I can understand it. > > What I donât understand is what would be that. > > > > Packages part of pharo core are in in Pharo team in smalltalkhub > > Packages part of pharo extras are un PharoExtras team in smalltalkhub > > > > we, as core pharo developers take responsibility over the packages that > resides there, and of course any contribution is welcome. > > > > For the stuff in Pharo team, you need to work in the form of âIssue > reportâ and âSLICE providerâ. > > For the stuff in PharoExtras, you can provide just the package updates + > the *updated* configuration. > > > > All PharoExtras projects should have a jenkins job in > https://ci.inria.fr/pharo-contribution/? > > And you should take care that job is green after you commit your > packages. > > > > For contribute in any of the teams, Pharo and PharoExtras you need to be > added as team member, and that can be done just requiting it in pharo-dev > list (which, btw, is a better place for this discussion). > > > > Esteban > > > > On 24 Dec 2013, at 13:57, HernÃ¡n Morales Durand < > hernan.morales(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > >> El 24/12/2013 9:06, Esteban Lorenzano escribiÃ³: > >>> > >>> On 24 Dec 2013, at 12:34, HernÃ¡n Morales Durand < > hernan.morales(a)gmail.com> wrote: > >>> > >>>> I am interested in how to proceed about community packages. I have > previously asked and nobody replied: > >>>> > >>>> http://forum.world.st/Programmatic-Scoped-Browsing-td4724820.html > >>> > >>> what is a âcommunity packageâ? > >>> > >> > >> The point of a community package is to involve as much of the community > as possible. > >> > >> HernÃ¡n > >> > >> > > > > > > >

Dec. 24, 2013

Re: [Pharo-users] Is there any fundamental technical barrier to compiling to JVM byte codes?

by Sven Van Caekenberghe

Andy, On 22 Dec 2013, at 18:38, Andy Burnett <andy.burnett(a)knowinnovation.com> wrote: > I am sure it would be a huge amount of work, and may not be a good idea at all. > > However, given the number of dynamic languages that now compile to JVM > byte codes, I am curious whether there is anything about Pharo that > would make this impossible? > > Cheers > Andy This is a complex subject area which touches on many things/issues. I am not capable of producing a good writeup, but Iâll try to give some kind of answer. It is really hard to define what makes Pharo (or Smalltalk) unique compared to so many other environments. As you know, it is the special combination of language, library, IDE and VM that constitutes the real magic: a live, dynamic, late bound language with meta level capabilities, including many libraries, frameworks and tools, written in itself. Like with Lisp, many/most of the features of Smalltalk can be found here and there in other languages. Like with Lisp, there are many implementations of some kind of Lisp/Smalltalk. This has all been done before. Moving Pharo (or Smalltalk) away from its own VM is certainly possible (up to a point), but the question is: is it still the same thing ? If you can no longer write your own debugger implemented in the same language ? If you cannot read code all the way down ? Regards, Sven

Dec. 24, 2013

Re: [Pharo-users] How to contribute [WAS: Re: WebClient Issues on Pharo 2.0]

by Esteban Lorenzano

btw that also means that we do not accept code in the form of : simple packages (without configuration or Issue/SLICE), change sets or code in mail threads (something that happens a lot more than it should). On 24 Dec 2013, at 14:06, Esteban Lorenzano <estebanlm(a)gmail.com> wrote: > Yeah, that part I can understand it. > What I donât understand is what would be that. > > Packages part of pharo core are in in Pharo team in smalltalkhub > Packages part of pharo extras are un PharoExtras team in smalltalkhub > > we, as core pharo developers take responsibility over the packages that resides there, and of course any contribution is welcome. > > For the stuff in Pharo team, you need to work in the form of âIssue reportâ and âSLICE providerâ. > For the stuff in PharoExtras, you can provide just the package updates + the *updated* configuration. > > All PharoExtras projects should have a jenkins job in https://ci.inria.fr/pharo-contribution/? > And you should take care that job is green after you commit your packages. > > For contribute in any of the teams, Pharo and PharoExtras you need to be added as team member, and that can be done just requiting it in pharo-dev list (which, btw, is a better place for this discussion). > > Esteban > > On 24 Dec 2013, at 13:57, HernÃ¡n Morales Durand <hernan.morales(a)gmail.com> wrote: > >> El 24/12/2013 9:06, Esteban Lorenzano escribiÃ³: >>> >>> On 24 Dec 2013, at 12:34, HernÃ¡n Morales Durand <hernan.morales(a)gmail.com> wrote: >>> >>>> I am interested in how to proceed about community packages. I have previously asked and nobody replied: >>>> >>>> http://forum.world.st/Programmatic-Scoped-Browsing-td4724820.html >>> >>> what is a âcommunity packageâ? >>> >> >> The point of a community package is to involve as much of the community as possible. >> >> HernÃ¡n >> >> > >

Dec. 24, 2013

How to contribute [WAS: Re: WebClient Issues on Pharo 2.0]

by Esteban Lorenzano

Yeah, that part I can understand it. What I donât understand is what would be that. Packages part of pharo core are in in Pharo team in smalltalkhub Packages part of pharo extras are un PharoExtras team in smalltalkhub we, as core pharo developers take responsibility over the packages that resides there, and of course any contribution is welcome. For the stuff in Pharo team, you need to work in the form of âIssue reportâ and âSLICE providerâ. For the stuff in PharoExtras, you can provide just the package updates + the *updated* configuration. All PharoExtras projects should have a jenkins job in https://ci.inria.fr/pharo-contribution/? And you should take care that job is green after you commit your packages. For contribute in any of the teams, Pharo and PharoExtras you need to be added as team member, and that can be done just requiting it in pharo-dev list (which, btw, is a better place for this discussion). Esteban On 24 Dec 2013, at 13:57, HernÃ¡n Morales Durand <hernan.morales(a)gmail.com> wrote: > El 24/12/2013 9:06, Esteban Lorenzano escribiÃ³: >> >> On 24 Dec 2013, at 12:34, HernÃ¡n Morales Durand <hernan.morales(a)gmail.com> wrote: >> >>> I am interested in how to proceed about community packages. I have previously asked and nobody replied: >>> >>> http://forum.world.st/Programmatic-Scoped-Browsing-td4724820.html >> >> what is a âcommunity packageâ? >> > > The point of a community package is to involve as much of the community as possible. > > HernÃ¡n > >

Dec. 24, 2013

Re: [Pharo-users] WebClient Issues on Pharo 2.0

by HernÃ¡n Morales Durand

El 24/12/2013 9:06, Esteban Lorenzano escribiÃ³: > > On 24 Dec 2013, at 12:34, HernÃ¡n Morales Durand <hernan.morales(a)gmail.com> wrote: > >> I am interested in how to proceed about community packages. I have previously asked and nobody replied: >> >> http://forum.world.st/Programmatic-Scoped-Browsing-td4724820.html > > what is a âcommunity packageâ? > The point of a community package is to involve as much of the community as possible. HernÃ¡n

Dec. 24, 2013

Re: [Pharo-users] WebClient Issues on Pharo 2.0

by Esteban Lorenzano

On 24 Dec 2013, at 12:34, HernÃ¡n Morales Durand <hernan.morales(a)gmail.com> wrote: > I am interested in how to proceed about community packages. I have previously asked and nobody replied: > > http://forum.world.st/Programmatic-Scoped-Browsing-td4724820.html what is a âcommunity packageâ? > > Cheers, > > HernÃ¡n > > El 23/12/2013 20:13, vmusulainen escribiÃ³: >> Hi, >> >> I have loaded WebClient from ConfigurationTool on Pharo 2.0. >> It seems something changed at system so I had some issues while loading the >> package and fixed it. I would make my fixes public for community. How do >> it? >> Does exist any guide? >> If I right understand this document >> <http://www.pharo-project.org/community/how-to-contribute> describe >> contrubuting for Pharo and not applicable for 3dparty packages. >> >> >> >> -- >> View this message in context: http://forum.world.st/WebClient-Issues-on-Pharo-2-0-tp4732142.html >> Sent from the Pharo Smalltalk Users mailing list archive at Nabble.com. >> >> > >

Dec. 24, 2013

Re: [Pharo-users] WebClient Issues on Pharo 2.0

by Esteban Lorenzano

On 24 Dec 2013, at 12:54, Sven Van Caekenberghe <sven(a)stfx.eu> wrote: > Hello, > > On 24 Dec 2013, at 00:13, vmusulainen <vmusulainen(a)mail.ru> wrote: > >> Hi, >> >> I have loaded WebClient from ConfigurationTool on Pharo 2.0. >> It seems something changed at system so I had some issues while loading the >> package and fixed it. I would make my fixes public for community. How do >> it? >> Does exist any guide? >> If I right understand this document >> <http://www.pharo-project.org/community/how-to-contribute> describe >> contrubuting for Pharo and not applicable for 3dparty packages. > > WebClient, like hundreds of others, is indeed a third-party, external package to Pharo. How are these maintained ? By their authors, and in some cases by volunteers. You can certainly discuss about these on the mailing lists and look for help, but you cannot expect the core Pharo community to take responsibility or to have any kind of obligation to act. > > Now, the original author of WebClient, Andreas Raab, sadly passed away last year. I see that the repository is readonly: > > http://www.squeaksource.com/WebClient.html > > If you cannot find anyone to give you write access, your only option would be to fork the code. > > Regards, > > Sven > > PS: I assume you do know that Pharo has out of the box, fully supported, HTTP client and server functionality standard in the image since 1.3, in the form of Zinc HTTP Components (ZnClient, ZnServer, ZnEasy) ? yep. why would you want to install webclient when you already has an out-of-the-box and actively maintained solution? > > > -- > Sven Van Caekenberghe > Proudly supporting Pharo > http://pharo.org > http://association.pharo.org > http://consortium.pharo.org > > > > >

Dec. 24, 2013

Re: [Pharo-users] WebClient Issues on Pharo 2.0

by Sven Van Caekenberghe

Hello, On 24 Dec 2013, at 00:13, vmusulainen <vmusulainen(a)mail.ru> wrote: > Hi, > > I have loaded WebClient from ConfigurationTool on Pharo 2.0. > It seems something changed at system so I had some issues while loading the > package and fixed it. I would make my fixes public for community. How do > it? > Does exist any guide? > If I right understand this document > <http://www.pharo-project.org/community/how-to-contribute> describe > contrubuting for Pharo and not applicable for 3dparty packages. WebClient, like hundreds of others, is indeed a third-party, external package to Pharo. How are these maintained ? By their authors, and in some cases by volunteers. You can certainly discuss about these on the mailing lists and look for help, but you cannot expect the core Pharo community to take responsibility or to have any kind of obligation to act. Now, the original author of WebClient, Andreas Raab, sadly passed away last year. I see that the repository is readonly: http://www.squeaksource.com/WebClient.html If you cannot find anyone to give you write access, your only option would be to fork the code. Regards, Sven PS: I assume you do know that Pharo has out of the box, fully supported, HTTP client and server functionality standard in the image since 1.3, in the form of Zinc HTTP Components (ZnClient, ZnServer, ZnEasy) ? -- Sven Van Caekenberghe Proudly supporting Pharo http://pharo.org http://association.pharo.org http://consortium.pharo.org

Dec. 24, 2013

Re: [Pharo-users] WebClient Issues on Pharo 2.0

by HernÃ¡n Morales Durand

I am interested in how to proceed about community packages. I have previously asked and nobody replied: http://forum.world.st/Programmatic-Scoped-Browsing-td4724820.html Cheers, HernÃ¡n El 23/12/2013 20:13, vmusulainen escribiÃ³: > Hi, > > I have loaded WebClient from ConfigurationTool on Pharo 2.0. > It seems something changed at system so I had some issues while loading the > package and fixed it. I would make my fixes public for community. How do > it? > Does exist any guide? > If I right understand this document > <http://www.pharo-project.org/community/how-to-contribute> describe > contrubuting for Pharo and not applicable for 3dparty packages. > > > > -- > View this message in context: http://forum.world.st/WebClient-Issues-on-Pharo-2-0-tp4732142.html > Sent from the Pharo Smalltalk Users mailing list archive at Nabble.com. > >

Dec. 24, 2013