December 2013 - Pharo-users

Re: [Pharo-users] PharoLauncher as the default Pharo download on pharo.org?

by Yuriy Tymchuk

Just of curiosity, do you use iTunes, or organise music in directories by yourself? :) Uko On 20 Dec 2013, at 14:54, Johan Fabry <jfabry(a)dcc.uchile.cl> wrote: > > Sure. As I said before, I am old-school and double click on my images. So for me they are just documents, like any other, and I use the finder extensively for all my document manipulation stuff. I don't want to open a special tool to do the stuff I can do already in the finder. Also having megas and megas of images (which are just documents) in a "hidden, black magic" folder just makes my hairs stand on end, so I needed to communicate all those feelings. > > On Dec 20, 2013, at 10:46 AM, Yuriy Tymchuk <yuriy.tymchuk(a)me.com> wrote: > >> Yes, but this depends if you want to show image, changes, etcâ¦ file to users or not. For me itâs ok as far as I have enough tools to manipulate images >> >> Uko >> >> On 20 Dec 2013, at 14:40, Johan Fabry <jfabry(a)dcc.uchile.cl> wrote: >> >>> >>> Also, I think it is very wrong to keep the images in the Library folder by default. The Library is "hidden" and a "black magic - do not touch" area for the common user. A sensible default is the Documents folder. >>> >>> On Dec 20, 2013, at 6:44 AM, Damien Cassou <damien.cassou(a)gmail.com> wrote: >>> >>>> Hi guys, >>>> >>>> what do you think about setting the PharoLauncher as the default >>>> download for mac os x users? >>>> >>>> If you never tried the launcher, please try it now: >>>> >>>> Mac OS X: https://ci.inria.fr/pharo-contribution/job/PharoLauncher-Mac-Package/lastSu… >>>> Ubuntu : https://launchpad.net/~pharo/+archive/stable >>>> Others: http://www.smalltalkhub.com/#!/~Pharo/PharoLauncher >>>> >>>> -- >>>> Damien Cassou >>>> http://damiencassou.seasidehosting.st >>>> >>>> "Success is the ability to go from one failure to another without >>>> losing enthusiasm." >>>> Winston Churchill >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >>> >>> ---> Save our in-boxes! http://emailcharter.org <--- >>> >>> Johan Fabry - http://pleiad.cl/~jfabry >>> PLEIAD lab - Computer Science Department (DCC) - University of Chile >>> >>> >> >> >> > > > > ---> Save our in-boxes! http://emailcharter.org <--- > > Johan Fabry - http://pleiad.cl/~jfabry > PLEIAD lab - Computer Science Department (DCC) - University of Chile > >

Dec. 20, 2013

Re: [Pharo-users] PharoLauncher as the default Pharo download on pharo.org?

by Esteban A. Maringolo

2013/12/20 Johan Fabry <jfabry(a)dcc.uchile.cl>: > > Sure. As I said before, I am old-school and double click on my images. So for me they are just documents, like any other, and I use the finder extensively for all my document manipulation stuff. I don't want to open a special tool to do the stuff I can do already in the finder. Also having megas and megas of images (which are just documents) in a "hidden, black magic" folder just makes my hairs stand on end, so I needed to communicate all those feelings. +1 Everything that does "magic" behind the curtains must be 100% safe and predictable. I like to somehow "hide" the complexity of file management to the end users, but we're developers, so I like to see my files "there" in the directory I chose to put them. I like the "import" feature of IDEs like Eclipse (without copying everything to the workspace), where I can have everything at reach, without resorting to put everything in the same place. Regards, Esteban

Dec. 20, 2013

Re: [Pharo-users] PharoLauncher as the default Pharo download on pharo.org?

by Johan Fabry

Sure. As I said before, I am old-school and double click on my images. So for me they are just documents, like any other, and I use the finder extensively for all my document manipulation stuff. I don't want to open a special tool to do the stuff I can do already in the finder. Also having megas and megas of images (which are just documents) in a "hidden, black magic" folder just makes my hairs stand on end, so I needed to communicate all those feelings. On Dec 20, 2013, at 10:46 AM, Yuriy Tymchuk <yuriy.tymchuk(a)me.com> wrote: > Yes, but this depends if you want to show image, changes, etcâ¦ file to users or not. For me itâs ok as far as I have enough tools to manipulate images > > Uko > > On 20 Dec 2013, at 14:40, Johan Fabry <jfabry(a)dcc.uchile.cl> wrote: > >> >> Also, I think it is very wrong to keep the images in the Library folder by default. The Library is "hidden" and a "black magic - do not touch" area for the common user. A sensible default is the Documents folder. >> >> On Dec 20, 2013, at 6:44 AM, Damien Cassou <damien.cassou(a)gmail.com> wrote: >> >>> Hi guys, >>> >>> what do you think about setting the PharoLauncher as the default >>> download for mac os x users? >>> >>> If you never tried the launcher, please try it now: >>> >>> Mac OS X: https://ci.inria.fr/pharo-contribution/job/PharoLauncher-Mac-Package/lastSu… >>> Ubuntu : https://launchpad.net/~pharo/+archive/stable >>> Others: http://www.smalltalkhub.com/#!/~Pharo/PharoLauncher >>> >>> -- >>> Damien Cassou >>> http://damiencassou.seasidehosting.st >>> >>> "Success is the ability to go from one failure to another without >>> losing enthusiasm." >>> Winston Churchill >>> >>> >> >> >> >> ---> Save our in-boxes! http://emailcharter.org <--- >> >> Johan Fabry - http://pleiad.cl/~jfabry >> PLEIAD lab - Computer Science Department (DCC) - University of Chile >> >> > > > ---> Save our in-boxes! http://emailcharter.org <--- Johan Fabry - http://pleiad.cl/~jfabry PLEIAD lab - Computer Science Department (DCC) - University of Chile

Dec. 20, 2013

Re: [Pharo-users] PharoLauncher as the default Pharo download on pharo.org?

by Yuriy Tymchuk

Yes, but this depends if you want to show image, changes, etcâ¦ file to users or not. For me itâs ok as far as I have enough tools to manipulate images Uko On 20 Dec 2013, at 14:40, Johan Fabry <jfabry(a)dcc.uchile.cl> wrote: > > Also, I think it is very wrong to keep the images in the Library folder by default. The Library is "hidden" and a "black magic - do not touch" area for the common user. A sensible default is the Documents folder. > > On Dec 20, 2013, at 6:44 AM, Damien Cassou <damien.cassou(a)gmail.com> wrote: > >> Hi guys, >> >> what do you think about setting the PharoLauncher as the default >> download for mac os x users? >> >> If you never tried the launcher, please try it now: >> >> Mac OS X: https://ci.inria.fr/pharo-contribution/job/PharoLauncher-Mac-Package/lastSu… >> Ubuntu : https://launchpad.net/~pharo/+archive/stable >> Others: http://www.smalltalkhub.com/#!/~Pharo/PharoLauncher >> >> -- >> Damien Cassou >> http://damiencassou.seasidehosting.st >> >> "Success is the ability to go from one failure to another without >> losing enthusiasm." >> Winston Churchill >> >> > > > > ---> Save our in-boxes! http://emailcharter.org <--- > > Johan Fabry - http://pleiad.cl/~jfabry > PLEIAD lab - Computer Science Department (DCC) - University of Chile > >

Dec. 20, 2013

Re: [Pharo-users] PharoLauncher as the default Pharo download on pharo.org?

by Johan Fabry

Also, I think it is very wrong to keep the images in the Library folder by default. The Library is "hidden" and a "black magic - do not touch" area for the common user. A sensible default is the Documents folder. On Dec 20, 2013, at 6:44 AM, Damien Cassou <damien.cassou(a)gmail.com> wrote: > Hi guys, > > what do you think about setting the PharoLauncher as the default > download for mac os x users? > > If you never tried the launcher, please try it now: > > Mac OS X: https://ci.inria.fr/pharo-contribution/job/PharoLauncher-Mac-Package/lastSu… > Ubuntu : https://launchpad.net/~pharo/+archive/stable > Others: http://www.smalltalkhub.com/#!/~Pharo/PharoLauncher > > -- > Damien Cassou > http://damiencassou.seasidehosting.st > > "Success is the ability to go from one failure to another without > losing enthusiasm." > Winston Churchill > > ---> Save our in-boxes! http://emailcharter.org <--- Johan Fabry - http://pleiad.cl/~jfabry PLEIAD lab - Computer Science Department (DCC) - University of Chile

Dec. 20, 2013

Re: [Pharo-users] PharoLauncher as the default Pharo download on pharo.org?

by Johan Fabry

I am an old-school guy, I just double-click on images to open them. So I guess that as long as that keeps on working I don't really mind what the default behavior for other cases is. But I do agree that there should be more explanation on how to use the launcher (and some publicity). As is, how it works is not intuitive to me. On Dec 20, 2013, at 7:45 AM, Sven Van Caekenberghe <sven(a)stfx.eu> wrote: > > On 20 Dec 2013, at 10:44, Damien Cassou <damien.cassou(a)gmail.com> wrote: > >> Hi guys, >> >> what do you think about setting the PharoLauncher as the default >> download for mac os x users? > > I would start by featuring it more prominently on the download page while explaining clearly what it does. Maybe it also needs its own documentation/promotion web page. > >> If you never tried the launcher, please try it now: >> >> Mac OS X: https://ci.inria.fr/pharo-contribution/job/PharoLauncher-Mac-Package/lastSu… >> Ubuntu : https://launchpad.net/~pharo/+archive/stable >> Others: http://www.smalltalkhub.com/#!/~Pharo/PharoLauncher >> >> -- >> Damien Cassou >> http://damiencassou.seasidehosting.st >> >> "Success is the ability to go from one failure to another without >> losing enthusiasm." >> Winston Churchill >> > > > ---> Save our in-boxes! http://emailcharter.org <--- Johan Fabry - http://pleiad.cl/~jfabry PLEIAD lab - Computer Science Department (DCC) - University of Chile

Dec. 20, 2013

Stupid ideas when I'm bored:

by Nicolai Hess

(EyeMorphViewer new inspect:World) openWithSpec window fullscreen.

Dec. 20, 2013

Re: [Pharo-users] PharoLauncher as the default Pharo download on pharo.org?

by Sven Van Caekenberghe

On 20 Dec 2013, at 10:44, Damien Cassou <damien.cassou(a)gmail.com> wrote: > Hi guys, > > what do you think about setting the PharoLauncher as the default > download for mac os x users? I would start by featuring it more prominently on the download page while explaining clearly what it does. Maybe it also needs its own documentation/promotion web page. > If you never tried the launcher, please try it now: > > Mac OS X: https://ci.inria.fr/pharo-contribution/job/PharoLauncher-Mac-Package/lastSu… > Ubuntu : https://launchpad.net/~pharo/+archive/stable > Others: http://www.smalltalkhub.com/#!/~Pharo/PharoLauncher > > -- > Damien Cassou > http://damiencassou.seasidehosting.st > > "Success is the ability to go from one failure to another without > losing enthusiasm." > Winston Churchill >

Dec. 20, 2013

PharoLauncher as the default Pharo download on pharo.org?

by Damien Cassou

Hi guys, what do you think about setting the PharoLauncher as the default download for mac os x users? If you never tried the launcher, please try it now: Mac OS X: https://ci.inria.fr/pharo-contribution/job/PharoLauncher-Mac-Package/lastSu… Ubuntu : https://launchpad.net/~pharo/+archive/stable Others: http://www.smalltalkhub.com/#!/~Pharo/PharoLauncher -- Damien Cassou http://damiencassou.seasidehosting.st "Success is the ability to go from one failure to another without losing enthusiasm." Winston Churchill

Dec. 20, 2013

Re: [Pharo-users] Roassal3D : MessageNotUnderstood:NBMSAAOffscreenDisplay

by Volkert Barr

Things i have found (Pharo 3.0 (Latest update: #30654), OS X 10.8.5): - MouseWheelEvent-Handling: MessageNotUnderstand: MouseWheelEvent>>keyValue. - KeyBoardControl-Handling does not work - Roassal2D Overlays: Red Screen, needs Athens? (I am not sure what to do here to load Athens). Maybe someone else should confirm this. BW, Volkert On 19.12.2013, at 23:04, Volkert Barr <volkert(a)nivoba.de> wrote: > Ok. i loaded it into the latest Pharo 3.0 (Latest update: #30654) and it looks good so far. I still have > problems with the "3D IDE" menu (the windows are now empty), but the examples from the tutorial and > the R3Example class i have tested are working fine. I give you more feedback tomorrow, when i > have completed the tutorial. > > Cool stuff !!! > > BW, > Volkert > > > On 19.12.2013, at 20:05, Ronie Salgado <roniesalg(a)gmail.com> wrote: > >> Dear Volkert, >> >> I just updated the configuration of Roassal 3D for it to load the baseline version of NBOpenGL, with the changes made. Its currently only been tested under Linux, so any feedback its appreciated. >> >> Greetings, >> Ronie Salgado >> >> >> 2013/12/19 Volkert Barr <volkert(a)nivoba.de> >> Dear Ronie, >> >> i had no success with older versions. Please give my a short note, when the "configuration browser way" works again. >> >> BW, >> Volkert >> >> On 15.12.2013, at 00:30, Ronie Salgado <roniesalg(a)gmail.com> wrote: >> >>> Hello, >>> >>> Try with version 118, from Monticello. >>> That problem is produced because I had to made some changes to NBOpenGL, for which I don't have commit privileges so I posted them on the pharo-dev mailing list. >>> >>> Greetings, >>> Ronie Salgado >>> >>> >>> 2013/12/14 Volkert Barr <volkert(a)nivoba.de> >>> Hello, >>> >>> i loaded Roassal3D from the Configuration Browser into a fresh Pharo 3.0 Image. When selecting "3D IDE" (Roassal3D Easel??) from >>> the tools-menu i got to the following error: MessageNotUnderstood:NBMSAAOffscreenDisplay>>bindFramebuffer. >>> >>> Probably i forgot to load some other base packages. >>> >>> Pharo3.0 >>> Latest update: #30644 >>> Host: OS X 10.8.5 >>> >>> Any hints? >>> Volkert >>> >>> <PastedGraphic-1.tiff> >>> >> >> -- >> www.nivoba.de >> >> "The more complex an object, the larger the investment in learning to use it, and the greater the resistance to abandon it." >> >> >> > > -- > www.nivoba.de > > "The more complex an object, the larger the investment in learning to use it, and the greater the resistance to abandon it." > > -- www.nivoba.de "The more complex an object, the larger the investment in learning to use it, and the greater the resistance to abandon it."

Dec. 20, 2013