December 2013 - Pharo-users

Great Sprint Yesterday!

by Marcus Denker

Hi, The Pharo Sprint yesterday was great! We fixed *a lot* (maybe 25-30 issues?). Not everything is integrated yetâ¦ Here are some Photos: https://plus.google.com/photos/100919417187170499293/albums/595963343591172…

Dec. 21, 2013

Re: [Pharo-users] PharoLauncher as the default Pharo download on pharo.org?

by kilon alios

A problem I have with pharoLaunher is that I want to help out to improve it but I cant for the life of me figure out the code. I think the most important thing is to document it so it will allow people like me to improve it easier. I dont expect anyone to tell me exactly how each method works but at least how the overall code works should be a good start. Because I dont want to fight with the code to understand it. I spend many hours with it, still cant figure it out .

Dec. 20, 2013

Re: [Pharo-users] PharoLauncher as the default Pharo download on pharo.org?

by Esteban A. Maringolo

2013/12/20 Yuriy Tymchuk <yuriy.tymchuk(a)me.com>: > Just of curiosity, do you use iTunes, or organise music in directories by yourself? :) I moved from file based management (by myself) to services like Spotify/Grooveshark. I skipped the iTunes like music management. -- Esteban.

Dec. 20, 2013

PharoLauncher as the default Pharo download

by Andy Burnett

á§ That is a good question. I have to admit that I do use iTunes, and I have often been annoyed by not being able to - easily - find the files. I can certainly see the value of presenting end users with simple interfaces, but I am with Johan, I would like to be able to put my images somewhere more obvious - to a developer - particularly because this would make Dropbox/google drive synching easier. Obviously, we can do all of this, but it has never been quite as obvious as I would like it to be. Cheers Andy > > Just of curiosity, do you use iTunes, or organise music in directories by > yourself? :) > > Uko > > On 20 Dec 2013, at 14:54, Johan Fabry <jfabry(a)dcc.uchile.cl> wrote: > > > > > Sure. As I said before, I am old-school and double click on my images. > So for me they are just documents, like any other, and I use the finder > extensively for all my document manipulation stuff. I don't want to open a > special tool to do the stuff I can do already in the finder. Also having > megas and megas of images (which are just documents) in a "hidden, black > magic" folder just makes my hairs stand on end, so I needed to communicate > all those feelings. > > > > On Dec 20, 2013, at 10:46 AM, Yuriy Tymchuk <yuriy.tymchuk(a)me.com> > wrote: > > > >> Yes, but this depends if you want to show image, changes, etc? file to > users or not. For me it?s ok as far as I have enough tools to manipulate > images > >> > >> Uko > >> > >> On 20 Dec 2013, at 14:40, Johan Fabry <jfabry(a)dcc.uchile.cl> wrote: > >> > >>> > >>> Also, I think it is very wrong to keep the images in the Library > folder by default. The Library is "hidden" and a "black magic - do not > touch" area for the common user. A sensible default is the Documents folder. > >>> > >>> On Dec 20, 2013, at 6:44 AM, Damien Cassou <damien.cassou(a)gmail.com> > wrote: > >>> > >>>> Hi guys, > >>>> > >>>> what do you think about setting the PharoLauncher as the default > >>>> download for mac os x users? > >>>> > >>>> If you never tried the launcher, please try it now: > >>>> > >>>> Mac OS X: > https://ci.inria.fr/pharo-contribution/job/PharoLauncher-Mac-Package/lastSu… > >>>> Ubuntu : https://launchpad.net/~pharo/+archive/stable > >>>> Others: http://www.smalltalkhub.com/#!/~Pharo/PharoLauncher > >>>> > >>>> -- > >>>> Damien Cassou > >>>> http://damiencassou.seasidehosting.st > >>>> > >>>> "Success is the ability to go from one failure to another without > >>>> losing enthusiasm." > >>>> Winston Churchill > >>>> > >>>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> ---> Save our in-boxes! http://emailcharter.org <--- > >>> > >>> Johan Fabry - http://pleiad.cl/~jfabry > >>> PLEIAD lab - Computer Science Department (DCC) - University of > Chile > >>> > >>> > >> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > ---> Save our in-boxes! http://emailcharter.org <--- > > > > Johan Fabry - http://pleiad.cl/~jfabry > > PLEIAD lab - Computer Science Department (DCC) - University of Chile > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Subject: Digest Footer > > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-users mailing list > Pharo-users(a)lists.pharo.org > http://lists.pharo.org/mailman/listinfo/pharo-users_lists.pharo.org > > > ------------------------------ > > End of Pharo-users Digest, Vol 8, Issue 56 > ****************************************** >

Dec. 20, 2013

Re: [Pharo-users] PharoLauncher as the default Pharo download on pharo.org?

by Johan Fabry

Ah, and I *hate* that when I remove music in iTunes that I have to confirm that I want the files to be moved to the trash and not leave them on disc. Trash it already! That's what it means to delete music! I don't want to have a bunch of orphaned files taking up space. On Dec 20, 2013, at 11:11 AM, Johan Fabry <jfabry(a)dcc.uchile.cl> wrote: > > After long consideration of the subject, I allow iTunes to organize music because: > - it structures things how *I* want them to be structured : Music -> Artists -> Albums -> track name with number. > - they are in the right place: the Music directory. Not in Library > > If iTunes would behave differently in any of the above 2, I would not allow it to organize music. > > On Dec 20, 2013, at 11:04 AM, Yuriy Tymchuk <yuriy.tymchuk(a)me.com> wrote: > >> Just of curiosity, do you use iTunes, or organise music in directories by yourself? :) >> >> Uko >> >> On 20 Dec 2013, at 14:54, Johan Fabry <jfabry(a)dcc.uchile.cl> wrote: >> >>> >>> Sure. As I said before, I am old-school and double click on my images. So for me they are just documents, like any other, and I use the finder extensively for all my document manipulation stuff. I don't want to open a special tool to do the stuff I can do already in the finder. Also having megas and megas of images (which are just documents) in a "hidden, black magic" folder just makes my hairs stand on end, so I needed to communicate all those feelings. > > > > ---> Save our in-boxes! http://emailcharter.org <--- > > Johan Fabry - http://pleiad.cl/~jfabry > PLEIAD lab - Computer Science Department (DCC) - University of Chile > > > ---> Save our in-boxes! http://emailcharter.org <--- Johan Fabry - http://pleiad.cl/~jfabry PLEIAD lab - Computer Science Department (DCC) - University of Chile

Dec. 20, 2013

Re: [Pharo-users] PharoLauncher as the default Pharo download on pharo.org?

by kilon alios

*"in this one, Iâm with youâ¦ using Library folder is just plain wrong." * I will have to agree too. I would expect the launcher to put them in the same folder as launcher or a folder than user chooses. I am also a big hater of shared libraries and their shared folders. Uninstalling them is a pain in the ass and generally you should not touch them unless you know exactly what you doing. I can see the reason behind big libraries that are hundreds of megabytes. But in the age of terabytes, megabytes/ kilobytes shared libraries make no sense to me at all.

Dec. 20, 2013

Re: [Pharo-users] PharoLauncher as the default Pharo download on pharo.org?

by Johan Fabry

After long consideration of the subject, I allow iTunes to organize music because: - it structures things how *I* want them to be structured : Music -> Artists -> Albums -> track name with number. - they are in the right place: the Music directory. Not in Library If iTunes would behave differently in any of the above 2, I would not allow it to organize music. On Dec 20, 2013, at 11:04 AM, Yuriy Tymchuk <yuriy.tymchuk(a)me.com> wrote: > Just of curiosity, do you use iTunes, or organise music in directories by yourself? :) > > Uko > > On 20 Dec 2013, at 14:54, Johan Fabry <jfabry(a)dcc.uchile.cl> wrote: > >> >> Sure. As I said before, I am old-school and double click on my images. So for me they are just documents, like any other, and I use the finder extensively for all my document manipulation stuff. I don't want to open a special tool to do the stuff I can do already in the finder. Also having megas and megas of images (which are just documents) in a "hidden, black magic" folder just makes my hairs stand on end, so I needed to communicate all those feelings. ---> Save our in-boxes! http://emailcharter.org <--- Johan Fabry - http://pleiad.cl/~jfabry PLEIAD lab - Computer Science Department (DCC) - University of Chile

Dec. 20, 2013

Re: [Pharo-users] PharoLauncher as the default Pharo download on pharo.org?

by Esteban Lorenzano

On 20 Dec 2013, at 15:04, Yuriy Tymchuk <yuriy.tymchuk(a)me.com> wrote: > Just of curiosity, do you use iTunes, or organise music in directories by yourself? :) +1 :) > > Uko > > On 20 Dec 2013, at 14:54, Johan Fabry <jfabry(a)dcc.uchile.cl> wrote: > >> >> Sure. As I said before, I am old-school and double click on my images. So for me they are just documents, like any other, and I use the finder extensively for all my document manipulation stuff. I don't want to open a special tool to do the stuff I can do already in the finder. Also having megas and megas of images (which are just documents) in a "hidden, black magic" folder just makes my hairs stand on end, so I needed to communicate all those feelings. >> >> On Dec 20, 2013, at 10:46 AM, Yuriy Tymchuk <yuriy.tymchuk(a)me.com> wrote: >> >>> Yes, but this depends if you want to show image, changes, etcâ¦ file to users or not. For me itâs ok as far as I have enough tools to manipulate images >>> >>> Uko >>> >>> On 20 Dec 2013, at 14:40, Johan Fabry <jfabry(a)dcc.uchile.cl> wrote: >>> >>>> >>>> Also, I think it is very wrong to keep the images in the Library folder by default. The Library is "hidden" and a "black magic - do not touch" area for the common user. A sensible default is the Documents folder. >>>> >>>> On Dec 20, 2013, at 6:44 AM, Damien Cassou <damien.cassou(a)gmail.com> wrote: >>>> >>>>> Hi guys, >>>>> >>>>> what do you think about setting the PharoLauncher as the default >>>>> download for mac os x users? >>>>> >>>>> If you never tried the launcher, please try it now: >>>>> >>>>> Mac OS X: https://ci.inria.fr/pharo-contribution/job/PharoLauncher-Mac-Package/lastSu… >>>>> Ubuntu : https://launchpad.net/~pharo/+archive/stable >>>>> Others: http://www.smalltalkhub.com/#!/~Pharo/PharoLauncher >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> Damien Cassou >>>>> http://damiencassou.seasidehosting.st >>>>> >>>>> "Success is the ability to go from one failure to another without >>>>> losing enthusiasm." >>>>> Winston Churchill >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> ---> Save our in-boxes! http://emailcharter.org <--- >>>> >>>> Johan Fabry - http://pleiad.cl/~jfabry >>>> PLEIAD lab - Computer Science Department (DCC) - University of Chile >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >>> >> >> >> >> ---> Save our in-boxes! http://emailcharter.org <--- >> >> Johan Fabry - http://pleiad.cl/~jfabry >> PLEIAD lab - Computer Science Department (DCC) - University of Chile >> >> > >

Dec. 20, 2013

Re: [Pharo-users] PharoLauncher as the default Pharo download on pharo.org?

by Esteban Lorenzano

On 20 Dec 2013, at 14:40, Johan Fabry <jfabry(a)dcc.uchile.cl> wrote: > > Also, I think it is very wrong to keep the images in the Library folder by default. The Library is "hidden" and a "black magic - do not touch" area for the common user. A sensible default is the Documents folder. in this one, Iâm with youâ¦ using Library folder is just plain wrong. Esteban > > On Dec 20, 2013, at 6:44 AM, Damien Cassou <damien.cassou(a)gmail.com> wrote: > >> Hi guys, >> >> what do you think about setting the PharoLauncher as the default >> download for mac os x users? >> >> If you never tried the launcher, please try it now: >> >> Mac OS X: https://ci.inria.fr/pharo-contribution/job/PharoLauncher-Mac-Package/lastSu… >> Ubuntu : https://launchpad.net/~pharo/+archive/stable >> Others: http://www.smalltalkhub.com/#!/~Pharo/PharoLauncher >> >> -- >> Damien Cassou >> http://damiencassou.seasidehosting.st >> >> "Success is the ability to go from one failure to another without >> losing enthusiasm." >> Winston Churchill >> >> > > > > ---> Save our in-boxes! http://emailcharter.org <--- > > Johan Fabry - http://pleiad.cl/~jfabry > PLEIAD lab - Computer Science Department (DCC) - University of Chile > >

Dec. 20, 2013

Re: [Pharo-users] PharoLauncher as the default Pharo download on pharo.org?

by Esteban Lorenzano

I think we should offer both: launcher for newbies and simple images like now for power users. On 20 Dec 2013, at 14:35, Johan Fabry <jfabry(a)dcc.uchile.cl> wrote: > > I am an old-school guy, I just double-click on images to open them. So I guess that as long as that keeps on working I don't really mind what the default behavior for other cases is. > > But I do agree that there should be more explanation on how to use the launcher (and some publicity). As is, how it works is not intuitive to me. > > On Dec 20, 2013, at 7:45 AM, Sven Van Caekenberghe <sven(a)stfx.eu> wrote: > >> >> On 20 Dec 2013, at 10:44, Damien Cassou <damien.cassou(a)gmail.com> wrote: >> >>> Hi guys, >>> >>> what do you think about setting the PharoLauncher as the default >>> download for mac os x users? >> >> I would start by featuring it more prominently on the download page while explaining clearly what it does. Maybe it also needs its own documentation/promotion web page. >> >>> If you never tried the launcher, please try it now: >>> >>> Mac OS X: https://ci.inria.fr/pharo-contribution/job/PharoLauncher-Mac-Package/lastSu… >>> Ubuntu : https://launchpad.net/~pharo/+archive/stable >>> Others: http://www.smalltalkhub.com/#!/~Pharo/PharoLauncher >>> >>> -- >>> Damien Cassou >>> http://damiencassou.seasidehosting.st >>> >>> "Success is the ability to go from one failure to another without >>> losing enthusiasm." >>> Winston Churchill >>> >> >> >> > > > > ---> Save our in-boxes! http://emailcharter.org <--- > > Johan Fabry - http://pleiad.cl/~jfabry > PLEIAD lab - Computer Science Department (DCC) - University of Chile > >

Dec. 20, 2013