December 2013 - Pharo-users

Re: [Pharo-users] Install Pharo on Win 7 64 bit computer

by phil＠highoctane.be

DateAndTime now --- Philippe Back Dramatic Performance Improvements Mob: +32(0) 478 650 140 | Fax: +32 (0) 70 408 027 Mail:phil@highoctane.be | Web: http://philippeback.eu Blog: http://philippeback.be | Twitter: @philippeback Youtube: http://www.youtube.com/user/philippeback/videos High Octane SPRL rue cour Boisacq 101 | 1301 Bierges | Belgium Pharo Consortium Member - http://consortium.pharo.org/ Featured on the Software Process and Measurement Cast - http://spamcast.libsyn.com Sparx Systems Enterprise Architect and Ability Engineering EADocX Value Added Reseller On Mon, Dec 23, 2013 at 12:52 PM, Daniel Roe <roedj(a)hotmail.com> wrote: > I am trying to install Pharo on a Win7 64 bit computer and am following > the examples given in the manual. > > I open up a new workspace and type in > > time now > > Then choose - print it - from the action menu and I get an error message > stating that the > receiver of "now" is nil. i realize it's probably something really stupid > I'm missing but I need help please. > > Dan >

Dec. 23, 2013

Install Pharo on Win 7 64 bit computer

by Daniel Roe

I am trying to install Pharo on a Win7 64 bit computer and am following the examples given in the manual. I open up a new workspace and type in time now Then choose - print it - from the action menu and I get an error message stating that the receiver of "now" is nil. i realize it's probably something really stupid I'm missing but I need help please. Dan

Dec. 23, 2013

Re: [Pharo-users] PharoLauncher as the default Pharo download on pharo.org?

by Johan Fabry

On Dec 22, 2013, at 2:51 PM, Mark Bestley <st(a)bestley.co.uk> wrote: > On 22/12/2013 14:04, Johan Fabry wrote: > >>>> Also, I think it is very wrong to keep the images in the Library >>>> folder by default. The Library is "hidden" and a "black magic - do not >>>> touch" area for the common user. A sensible default is the Documents folder. > > If a user thinks the Library is black magic then they won't be manipulating images outside of Pharo and PharoLauncher. (as I don't think they will be capable of doing so) I am a counter-example. *I* think the Library is black magic and I manipulate images in the finder. > I think this is a misreading of Apple's directory design. It is for more than preferences and caches but for all app-specific files I am not knowledgeable on the design intent of Apple. I am just a user, and looking at what is inside the Library folder is scary. I have no documents of mine in there. I will stop here, I think I made my point. Feel free to disagree :-) ---> Save our in-boxes! http://emailcharter.org <--- Johan Fabry - http://pleiad.cl/~jfabry PLEIAD lab - Computer Science Department (DCC) - University of Chile

Dec. 23, 2013

Re: [Pharo-users] Is there any fundamental technical barrier tocompiling to JVM byte codes?

by PBK Research

If the question is whether there is anything fundamental about /Smalltalk/ that prevents compiling to JVM, we have proof to the contrary today in the announcement on comp.lang.smalltalk of Gravel Smalltalk, which aims to run ANSI Smalltalk on the JVM. It is clearly still in alpha stage, and the developers say they do not expect to implement become: or thisContext. Whether this would cripple Pharo is beyond my knowledge. Further information at https://github.com/gravel-st/gravel . Peter Kenny -----Original Message----- From: Pharo-users [mailto:pharo-users-bounces@lists.pharo.org] On Behalf Of Andy Burnett Sent: 22 December 2013 17:38 To: pharo-users(a)lists.pharo.org Subject: [Pharo-users] Is there any fundamental technical barrier tocompiling to JVM byte codes? I am sure it would be a huge amount of work, and may not be a good idea at all. However, given the number of dynamic languages that now compile to JVM byte codes, I am curious whether there is anything about Pharo that would make this impossible? Cheers Andy

Dec. 22, 2013

Re: [Pharo-users] PharoLauncher as the default Pharo download on pharo.org?

by Mark Bestley

On 22/12/2013 14:04, Johan Fabry wrote: >>> Also, I think it is very wrong to keep the images in the Library folder by default. The Library is "hidden" and a "black magic - do not touch" area for the common user. A sensible default is the Documents folder. If a user thinks the Library is black magic then they won't be manipulating images outside of Pharo and PharoLauncher. (as I don't think they will be capable of doing so) > Hi Ben, > > It's cultural I would say. The purpose of the Library folder is to hold preferences, caches, et cetera. Never user documents. There is a bunch of stuff in there that actually I don't even have an idea of. Moreover, as standard the Library is a hidden folder now. > I think this is a misreading of Apple's directory design. It is for more than preferences and caches but for all app-specific files Apple's doc <https://developer.apple.com/library/mac/documentation/FileManagement/Concep…> says "Apps should use the Library directory to store app-specific (or system-specific) resources." My view is images are app-specific If Pharo Launcher does enough to do all the image manipulation you need - I think it does except for dealing with Save As.. from Pharo itself, then you do not need to have it manipulated by other tools. Also if you want to do something using an image not by Pharo then you almost certainly know enough to be able to use the Library. The ~/Library is hidden to stop users messing around with files as they have found it saves a lot of support to hide these. I would also not in Mavericks i.e. the latest version of OSX making the Library visible is a toggle on the GUI for the Library directory. For example Amazon's Kindle app puts the ebooks in ~/Library/Application Support/Kindle and these seem to me similar to Pharo images I think things should be in ~/Documents if they can be edited/seen in multiple applications. e.g > On Dec 22, 2013, at 7:50 AM, btc(a)openinworld.com wrote: > >> Johan, I don't use a Mac so... Is the "Show in folder" menu item >> not sufficient to make it less black-magic - or is there a greater cultural aversion to putting images under Library? >> >> Damien, Maybe for cross-platform consistency that is a Pharo >> feature (mostly), this should wait until there are similar installers for Windows & Linux - and my apologies I hadn't had time to work on the Windows installer - work picked up but hopefully the Christmas break will give me some time. -- Mark

Dec. 22, 2013

Is there any fundamental technical barrier to compiling to JVM byte codes?

by Andy Burnett

I am sure it would be a huge amount of work, and may not be a good idea at all. However, given the number of dynamic languages that now compile to JVM byte codes, I am curious whether there is anything about Pharo that would make this impossible? Cheers Andy

Dec. 22, 2013

Re: [Pharo-users] PharoLauncher as the default Pharo download on pharo.org?

by Johan Fabry

Hi Ben, It's cultural I would say. The purpose of the Library folder is to hold preferences, caches, et cetera. Never user documents. There is a bunch of stuff in there that actually I don't even have an idea of. Moreover, as standard the Library is a hidden folder now. On Dec 22, 2013, at 7:50 AM, btc(a)openinworld.com wrote: > Johan, I don't use a Mac so... Is the "Show in folder" menu item not sufficient to make it less black-magic - or is there a greater cultural aversion to putting images under Library? > > Damien, Maybe for cross-platform consistency that is a Pharo feature (mostly), this should wait until there are similar installers for Windows & Linux - and my apologies I hadn't had time to work on the Windows installer - work picked up but hopefully the Christmas break will give me some time. > > cheers -ben > > Johan Fabry wrote: >> Also, I think it is very wrong to keep the images in the Library folder by default. The Library is "hidden" and a "black magic - do not touch" area for the common user. A sensible default is the Documents folder. >> > ---> Save our in-boxes! http://emailcharter.org <--- Johan Fabry - http://pleiad.cl/~jfabry PLEIAD lab - Computer Science Department (DCC) - University of Chile

Dec. 22, 2013

Re: [Pharo-users] PharoLauncher as the default Pharo download on pharo.org?

by btc＠openinworld.com

Dec. 22, 2013

Re: [Pharo-users] Great Sprint Yesterday!

by Sven Van Caekenberghe

It is really great to see such a group of people coming together to improve Pharo. I know from experience that you learn a lot from going to a sprint. Too bad I was unable to come. Sven On 21 Dec 2013, at 09:03, Marcus Denker <marcus.denker(a)inria.fr> wrote: > Hi, > > The Pharo Sprint yesterday was great! We fixed *a lot* (maybe 25-30 issues?). > > Not everything is integrated yetâ¦ > > Here are some Photos: > > https://plus.google.com/photos/100919417187170499293/albums/595963343591172… > > <Bb8Hn4YIUAEcPWo.jpg-large.jpeg><IMG_2920.jpeg><IMG_2925.jpeg>

Dec. 21, 2013

Re: [Pharo-users] Great Sprint Yesterday!

by Nicolai Hess

Congratulation, looks like a successfull day, and great fun! Nicolai 2013/12/21 Marcus Denker <marcus.denker(a)inria.fr> > Hi, > > The Pharo Sprint yesterday was great! We fixed *a lot* (maybe 25-30 > issues?). > > Not everything is integrated yetâ¦ > > Here are some Photos: > > > https://plus.google.com/photos/100919417187170499293/albums/595963343591172… > >

Dec. 21, 2013

Great Sprint Yesterday!

by Marcus Denker

Hi, The Pharo Sprint yesterday was great! We fixed *a lot* (maybe 25-30 issues?). Not everything is integrated yetâ¦ Here are some Photos: https://plus.google.com/photos/100919417187170499293/albums/595963343591172…

Dec. 21, 2013

Re: [Pharo-users] PharoLauncher as the default Pharo download on pharo.org?

by kilon alios

A problem I have with pharoLaunher is that I want to help out to improve it but I cant for the life of me figure out the code. I think the most important thing is to document it so it will allow people like me to improve it easier. I dont expect anyone to tell me exactly how each method works but at least how the overall code works should be a good start. Because I dont want to fight with the code to understand it. I spend many hours with it, still cant figure it out .

Dec. 20, 2013

Re: [Pharo-users] PharoLauncher as the default Pharo download on pharo.org?

by Esteban A. Maringolo

2013/12/20 Yuriy Tymchuk <yuriy.tymchuk(a)me.com>: > Just of curiosity, do you use iTunes, or organise music in directories by yourself? :) I moved from file based management (by myself) to services like Spotify/Grooveshark. I skipped the iTunes like music management. -- Esteban.

Dec. 20, 2013

PharoLauncher as the default Pharo download

by Andy Burnett

á§ That is a good question. I have to admit that I do use iTunes, and I have often been annoyed by not being able to - easily - find the files. I can certainly see the value of presenting end users with simple interfaces, but I am with Johan, I would like to be able to put my images somewhere more obvious - to a developer - particularly because this would make Dropbox/google drive synching easier. Obviously, we can do all of this, but it has never been quite as obvious as I would like it to be. Cheers Andy > > Just of curiosity, do you use iTunes, or organise music in directories by > yourself? :) > > Uko > > On 20 Dec 2013, at 14:54, Johan Fabry <jfabry(a)dcc.uchile.cl> wrote: > > > > > Sure. As I said before, I am old-school and double click on my images. > So for me they are just documents, like any other, and I use the finder > extensively for all my document manipulation stuff. I don't want to open a > special tool to do the stuff I can do already in the finder. Also having > megas and megas of images (which are just documents) in a "hidden, black > magic" folder just makes my hairs stand on end, so I needed to communicate > all those feelings. > > > > On Dec 20, 2013, at 10:46 AM, Yuriy Tymchuk <yuriy.tymchuk(a)me.com> > wrote: > > > >> Yes, but this depends if you want to show image, changes, etc? file to > users or not. For me it?s ok as far as I have enough tools to manipulate > images > >> > >> Uko > >> > >> On 20 Dec 2013, at 14:40, Johan Fabry <jfabry(a)dcc.uchile.cl> wrote: > >> > >>> > >>> Also, I think it is very wrong to keep the images in the Library > folder by default. The Library is "hidden" and a "black magic - do not > touch" area for the common user. A sensible default is the Documents folder. > >>> > >>> On Dec 20, 2013, at 6:44 AM, Damien Cassou <damien.cassou(a)gmail.com> > wrote: > >>> > >>>> Hi guys, > >>>> > >>>> what do you think about setting the PharoLauncher as the default > >>>> download for mac os x users? > >>>> > >>>> If you never tried the launcher, please try it now: > >>>> > >>>> Mac OS X: > https://ci.inria.fr/pharo-contribution/job/PharoLauncher-Mac-Package/lastSu… > >>>> Ubuntu : https://launchpad.net/~pharo/+archive/stable > >>>> Others: http://www.smalltalkhub.com/#!/~Pharo/PharoLauncher > >>>> > >>>> -- > >>>> Damien Cassou > >>>> http://damiencassou.seasidehosting.st > >>>> > >>>> "Success is the ability to go from one failure to another without > >>>> losing enthusiasm." > >>>> Winston Churchill > >>>> > >>>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> ---> Save our in-boxes! http://emailcharter.org <--- > >>> > >>> Johan Fabry - http://pleiad.cl/~jfabry > >>> PLEIAD lab - Computer Science Department (DCC) - University of > Chile > >>> > >>> > >> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > ---> Save our in-boxes! http://emailcharter.org <--- > > > > Johan Fabry - http://pleiad.cl/~jfabry > > PLEIAD lab - Computer Science Department (DCC) - University of Chile > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Subject: Digest Footer > > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-users mailing list > Pharo-users(a)lists.pharo.org > http://lists.pharo.org/mailman/listinfo/pharo-users_lists.pharo.org > > > ------------------------------ > > End of Pharo-users Digest, Vol 8, Issue 56 > ****************************************** >

Dec. 20, 2013

Re: [Pharo-users] PharoLauncher as the default Pharo download on pharo.org?

by Johan Fabry

Ah, and I *hate* that when I remove music in iTunes that I have to confirm that I want the files to be moved to the trash and not leave them on disc. Trash it already! That's what it means to delete music! I don't want to have a bunch of orphaned files taking up space. On Dec 20, 2013, at 11:11 AM, Johan Fabry <jfabry(a)dcc.uchile.cl> wrote: > > After long consideration of the subject, I allow iTunes to organize music because: > - it structures things how *I* want them to be structured : Music -> Artists -> Albums -> track name with number. > - they are in the right place: the Music directory. Not in Library > > If iTunes would behave differently in any of the above 2, I would not allow it to organize music. > > On Dec 20, 2013, at 11:04 AM, Yuriy Tymchuk <yuriy.tymchuk(a)me.com> wrote: > >> Just of curiosity, do you use iTunes, or organise music in directories by yourself? :) >> >> Uko >> >> On 20 Dec 2013, at 14:54, Johan Fabry <jfabry(a)dcc.uchile.cl> wrote: >> >>> >>> Sure. As I said before, I am old-school and double click on my images. So for me they are just documents, like any other, and I use the finder extensively for all my document manipulation stuff. I don't want to open a special tool to do the stuff I can do already in the finder. Also having megas and megas of images (which are just documents) in a "hidden, black magic" folder just makes my hairs stand on end, so I needed to communicate all those feelings. > > > > ---> Save our in-boxes! http://emailcharter.org <--- > > Johan Fabry - http://pleiad.cl/~jfabry > PLEIAD lab - Computer Science Department (DCC) - University of Chile > > > ---> Save our in-boxes! http://emailcharter.org <--- Johan Fabry - http://pleiad.cl/~jfabry PLEIAD lab - Computer Science Department (DCC) - University of Chile

Dec. 20, 2013

Re: [Pharo-users] PharoLauncher as the default Pharo download on pharo.org?

by kilon alios

*"in this one, Iâm with youâ¦ using Library folder is just plain wrong." * I will have to agree too. I would expect the launcher to put them in the same folder as launcher or a folder than user chooses. I am also a big hater of shared libraries and their shared folders. Uninstalling them is a pain in the ass and generally you should not touch them unless you know exactly what you doing. I can see the reason behind big libraries that are hundreds of megabytes. But in the age of terabytes, megabytes/ kilobytes shared libraries make no sense to me at all.

Dec. 20, 2013

Re: [Pharo-users] PharoLauncher as the default Pharo download on pharo.org?

by Johan Fabry

After long consideration of the subject, I allow iTunes to organize music because: - it structures things how *I* want them to be structured : Music -> Artists -> Albums -> track name with number. - they are in the right place: the Music directory. Not in Library If iTunes would behave differently in any of the above 2, I would not allow it to organize music. On Dec 20, 2013, at 11:04 AM, Yuriy Tymchuk <yuriy.tymchuk(a)me.com> wrote: > Just of curiosity, do you use iTunes, or organise music in directories by yourself? :) > > Uko > > On 20 Dec 2013, at 14:54, Johan Fabry <jfabry(a)dcc.uchile.cl> wrote: > >> >> Sure. As I said before, I am old-school and double click on my images. So for me they are just documents, like any other, and I use the finder extensively for all my document manipulation stuff. I don't want to open a special tool to do the stuff I can do already in the finder. Also having megas and megas of images (which are just documents) in a "hidden, black magic" folder just makes my hairs stand on end, so I needed to communicate all those feelings. ---> Save our in-boxes! http://emailcharter.org <--- Johan Fabry - http://pleiad.cl/~jfabry PLEIAD lab - Computer Science Department (DCC) - University of Chile

Dec. 20, 2013

Re: [Pharo-users] PharoLauncher as the default Pharo download on pharo.org?

by Esteban Lorenzano

On 20 Dec 2013, at 15:04, Yuriy Tymchuk <yuriy.tymchuk(a)me.com> wrote: > Just of curiosity, do you use iTunes, or organise music in directories by yourself? :) +1 :) > > Uko > > On 20 Dec 2013, at 14:54, Johan Fabry <jfabry(a)dcc.uchile.cl> wrote: > >> >> Sure. As I said before, I am old-school and double click on my images. So for me they are just documents, like any other, and I use the finder extensively for all my document manipulation stuff. I don't want to open a special tool to do the stuff I can do already in the finder. Also having megas and megas of images (which are just documents) in a "hidden, black magic" folder just makes my hairs stand on end, so I needed to communicate all those feelings. >> >> On Dec 20, 2013, at 10:46 AM, Yuriy Tymchuk <yuriy.tymchuk(a)me.com> wrote: >> >>> Yes, but this depends if you want to show image, changes, etcâ¦ file to users or not. For me itâs ok as far as I have enough tools to manipulate images >>> >>> Uko >>> >>> On 20 Dec 2013, at 14:40, Johan Fabry <jfabry(a)dcc.uchile.cl> wrote: >>> >>>> >>>> Also, I think it is very wrong to keep the images in the Library folder by default. The Library is "hidden" and a "black magic - do not touch" area for the common user. A sensible default is the Documents folder. >>>> >>>> On Dec 20, 2013, at 6:44 AM, Damien Cassou <damien.cassou(a)gmail.com> wrote: >>>> >>>>> Hi guys, >>>>> >>>>> what do you think about setting the PharoLauncher as the default >>>>> download for mac os x users? >>>>> >>>>> If you never tried the launcher, please try it now: >>>>> >>>>> Mac OS X: https://ci.inria.fr/pharo-contribution/job/PharoLauncher-Mac-Package/lastSu… >>>>> Ubuntu : https://launchpad.net/~pharo/+archive/stable >>>>> Others: http://www.smalltalkhub.com/#!/~Pharo/PharoLauncher >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> Damien Cassou >>>>> http://damiencassou.seasidehosting.st >>>>> >>>>> "Success is the ability to go from one failure to another without >>>>> losing enthusiasm." >>>>> Winston Churchill >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> ---> Save our in-boxes! http://emailcharter.org <--- >>>> >>>> Johan Fabry - http://pleiad.cl/~jfabry >>>> PLEIAD lab - Computer Science Department (DCC) - University of Chile >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >>> >> >> >> >> ---> Save our in-boxes! http://emailcharter.org <--- >> >> Johan Fabry - http://pleiad.cl/~jfabry >> PLEIAD lab - Computer Science Department (DCC) - University of Chile >> >> > >

Dec. 20, 2013

Re: [Pharo-users] PharoLauncher as the default Pharo download on pharo.org?

by Esteban Lorenzano

On 20 Dec 2013, at 14:40, Johan Fabry <jfabry(a)dcc.uchile.cl> wrote: > > Also, I think it is very wrong to keep the images in the Library folder by default. The Library is "hidden" and a "black magic - do not touch" area for the common user. A sensible default is the Documents folder. in this one, Iâm with youâ¦ using Library folder is just plain wrong. Esteban > > On Dec 20, 2013, at 6:44 AM, Damien Cassou <damien.cassou(a)gmail.com> wrote: > >> Hi guys, >> >> what do you think about setting the PharoLauncher as the default >> download for mac os x users? >> >> If you never tried the launcher, please try it now: >> >> Mac OS X: https://ci.inria.fr/pharo-contribution/job/PharoLauncher-Mac-Package/lastSu… >> Ubuntu : https://launchpad.net/~pharo/+archive/stable >> Others: http://www.smalltalkhub.com/#!/~Pharo/PharoLauncher >> >> -- >> Damien Cassou >> http://damiencassou.seasidehosting.st >> >> "Success is the ability to go from one failure to another without >> losing enthusiasm." >> Winston Churchill >> >> > > > > ---> Save our in-boxes! http://emailcharter.org <--- > > Johan Fabry - http://pleiad.cl/~jfabry > PLEIAD lab - Computer Science Department (DCC) - University of Chile > >

Dec. 20, 2013

Re: [Pharo-users] PharoLauncher as the default Pharo download on pharo.org?

by Esteban Lorenzano

I think we should offer both: launcher for newbies and simple images like now for power users. On 20 Dec 2013, at 14:35, Johan Fabry <jfabry(a)dcc.uchile.cl> wrote: > > I am an old-school guy, I just double-click on images to open them. So I guess that as long as that keeps on working I don't really mind what the default behavior for other cases is. > > But I do agree that there should be more explanation on how to use the launcher (and some publicity). As is, how it works is not intuitive to me. > > On Dec 20, 2013, at 7:45 AM, Sven Van Caekenberghe <sven(a)stfx.eu> wrote: > >> >> On 20 Dec 2013, at 10:44, Damien Cassou <damien.cassou(a)gmail.com> wrote: >> >>> Hi guys, >>> >>> what do you think about setting the PharoLauncher as the default >>> download for mac os x users? >> >> I would start by featuring it more prominently on the download page while explaining clearly what it does. Maybe it also needs its own documentation/promotion web page. >> >>> If you never tried the launcher, please try it now: >>> >>> Mac OS X: https://ci.inria.fr/pharo-contribution/job/PharoLauncher-Mac-Package/lastSu… >>> Ubuntu : https://launchpad.net/~pharo/+archive/stable >>> Others: http://www.smalltalkhub.com/#!/~Pharo/PharoLauncher >>> >>> -- >>> Damien Cassou >>> http://damiencassou.seasidehosting.st >>> >>> "Success is the ability to go from one failure to another without >>> losing enthusiasm." >>> Winston Churchill >>> >> >> >> > > > > ---> Save our in-boxes! http://emailcharter.org <--- > > Johan Fabry - http://pleiad.cl/~jfabry > PLEIAD lab - Computer Science Department (DCC) - University of Chile > >

Dec. 20, 2013

Re: [Pharo-users] PharoLauncher as the default Pharo download on pharo.org?

by Yuriy Tymchuk

Just of curiosity, do you use iTunes, or organise music in directories by yourself? :) Uko On 20 Dec 2013, at 14:54, Johan Fabry <jfabry(a)dcc.uchile.cl> wrote: > > Sure. As I said before, I am old-school and double click on my images. So for me they are just documents, like any other, and I use the finder extensively for all my document manipulation stuff. I don't want to open a special tool to do the stuff I can do already in the finder. Also having megas and megas of images (which are just documents) in a "hidden, black magic" folder just makes my hairs stand on end, so I needed to communicate all those feelings. > > On Dec 20, 2013, at 10:46 AM, Yuriy Tymchuk <yuriy.tymchuk(a)me.com> wrote: > >> Yes, but this depends if you want to show image, changes, etcâ¦ file to users or not. For me itâs ok as far as I have enough tools to manipulate images >> >> Uko >> >> On 20 Dec 2013, at 14:40, Johan Fabry <jfabry(a)dcc.uchile.cl> wrote: >> >>> >>> Also, I think it is very wrong to keep the images in the Library folder by default. The Library is "hidden" and a "black magic - do not touch" area for the common user. A sensible default is the Documents folder. >>> >>> On Dec 20, 2013, at 6:44 AM, Damien Cassou <damien.cassou(a)gmail.com> wrote: >>> >>>> Hi guys, >>>> >>>> what do you think about setting the PharoLauncher as the default >>>> download for mac os x users? >>>> >>>> If you never tried the launcher, please try it now: >>>> >>>> Mac OS X: https://ci.inria.fr/pharo-contribution/job/PharoLauncher-Mac-Package/lastSu… >>>> Ubuntu : https://launchpad.net/~pharo/+archive/stable >>>> Others: http://www.smalltalkhub.com/#!/~Pharo/PharoLauncher >>>> >>>> -- >>>> Damien Cassou >>>> http://damiencassou.seasidehosting.st >>>> >>>> "Success is the ability to go from one failure to another without >>>> losing enthusiasm." >>>> Winston Churchill >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >>> >>> ---> Save our in-boxes! http://emailcharter.org <--- >>> >>> Johan Fabry - http://pleiad.cl/~jfabry >>> PLEIAD lab - Computer Science Department (DCC) - University of Chile >>> >>> >> >> >> > > > > ---> Save our in-boxes! http://emailcharter.org <--- > > Johan Fabry - http://pleiad.cl/~jfabry > PLEIAD lab - Computer Science Department (DCC) - University of Chile > >

Dec. 20, 2013

Re: [Pharo-users] PharoLauncher as the default Pharo download on pharo.org?

by Esteban A. Maringolo

2013/12/20 Johan Fabry <jfabry(a)dcc.uchile.cl>: > > Sure. As I said before, I am old-school and double click on my images. So for me they are just documents, like any other, and I use the finder extensively for all my document manipulation stuff. I don't want to open a special tool to do the stuff I can do already in the finder. Also having megas and megas of images (which are just documents) in a "hidden, black magic" folder just makes my hairs stand on end, so I needed to communicate all those feelings. +1 Everything that does "magic" behind the curtains must be 100% safe and predictable. I like to somehow "hide" the complexity of file management to the end users, but we're developers, so I like to see my files "there" in the directory I chose to put them. I like the "import" feature of IDEs like Eclipse (without copying everything to the workspace), where I can have everything at reach, without resorting to put everything in the same place. Regards, Esteban

Dec. 20, 2013

Re: [Pharo-users] PharoLauncher as the default Pharo download on pharo.org?

by Johan Fabry

Sure. As I said before, I am old-school and double click on my images. So for me they are just documents, like any other, and I use the finder extensively for all my document manipulation stuff. I don't want to open a special tool to do the stuff I can do already in the finder. Also having megas and megas of images (which are just documents) in a "hidden, black magic" folder just makes my hairs stand on end, so I needed to communicate all those feelings. On Dec 20, 2013, at 10:46 AM, Yuriy Tymchuk <yuriy.tymchuk(a)me.com> wrote: > Yes, but this depends if you want to show image, changes, etcâ¦ file to users or not. For me itâs ok as far as I have enough tools to manipulate images > > Uko > > On 20 Dec 2013, at 14:40, Johan Fabry <jfabry(a)dcc.uchile.cl> wrote: > >> >> Also, I think it is very wrong to keep the images in the Library folder by default. The Library is "hidden" and a "black magic - do not touch" area for the common user. A sensible default is the Documents folder. >> >> On Dec 20, 2013, at 6:44 AM, Damien Cassou <damien.cassou(a)gmail.com> wrote: >> >>> Hi guys, >>> >>> what do you think about setting the PharoLauncher as the default >>> download for mac os x users? >>> >>> If you never tried the launcher, please try it now: >>> >>> Mac OS X: https://ci.inria.fr/pharo-contribution/job/PharoLauncher-Mac-Package/lastSu… >>> Ubuntu : https://launchpad.net/~pharo/+archive/stable >>> Others: http://www.smalltalkhub.com/#!/~Pharo/PharoLauncher >>> >>> -- >>> Damien Cassou >>> http://damiencassou.seasidehosting.st >>> >>> "Success is the ability to go from one failure to another without >>> losing enthusiasm." >>> Winston Churchill >>> >>> >> >> >> >> ---> Save our in-boxes! http://emailcharter.org <--- >> >> Johan Fabry - http://pleiad.cl/~jfabry >> PLEIAD lab - Computer Science Department (DCC) - University of Chile >> >> > > > ---> Save our in-boxes! http://emailcharter.org <--- Johan Fabry - http://pleiad.cl/~jfabry PLEIAD lab - Computer Science Department (DCC) - University of Chile

Dec. 20, 2013

Re: [Pharo-users] PharoLauncher as the default Pharo download on pharo.org?

by Yuriy Tymchuk

Yes, but this depends if you want to show image, changes, etcâ¦ file to users or not. For me itâs ok as far as I have enough tools to manipulate images Uko On 20 Dec 2013, at 14:40, Johan Fabry <jfabry(a)dcc.uchile.cl> wrote: > > Also, I think it is very wrong to keep the images in the Library folder by default. The Library is "hidden" and a "black magic - do not touch" area for the common user. A sensible default is the Documents folder. > > On Dec 20, 2013, at 6:44 AM, Damien Cassou <damien.cassou(a)gmail.com> wrote: > >> Hi guys, >> >> what do you think about setting the PharoLauncher as the default >> download for mac os x users? >> >> If you never tried the launcher, please try it now: >> >> Mac OS X: https://ci.inria.fr/pharo-contribution/job/PharoLauncher-Mac-Package/lastSu… >> Ubuntu : https://launchpad.net/~pharo/+archive/stable >> Others: http://www.smalltalkhub.com/#!/~Pharo/PharoLauncher >> >> -- >> Damien Cassou >> http://damiencassou.seasidehosting.st >> >> "Success is the ability to go from one failure to another without >> losing enthusiasm." >> Winston Churchill >> >> > > > > ---> Save our in-boxes! http://emailcharter.org <--- > > Johan Fabry - http://pleiad.cl/~jfabry > PLEIAD lab - Computer Science Department (DCC) - University of Chile > >

Dec. 20, 2013

Re: [Pharo-users] PharoLauncher as the default Pharo download on pharo.org?

by Johan Fabry

Also, I think it is very wrong to keep the images in the Library folder by default. The Library is "hidden" and a "black magic - do not touch" area for the common user. A sensible default is the Documents folder. On Dec 20, 2013, at 6:44 AM, Damien Cassou <damien.cassou(a)gmail.com> wrote: > Hi guys, > > what do you think about setting the PharoLauncher as the default > download for mac os x users? > > If you never tried the launcher, please try it now: > > Mac OS X: https://ci.inria.fr/pharo-contribution/job/PharoLauncher-Mac-Package/lastSu… > Ubuntu : https://launchpad.net/~pharo/+archive/stable > Others: http://www.smalltalkhub.com/#!/~Pharo/PharoLauncher > > -- > Damien Cassou > http://damiencassou.seasidehosting.st > > "Success is the ability to go from one failure to another without > losing enthusiasm." > Winston Churchill > > ---> Save our in-boxes! http://emailcharter.org <--- Johan Fabry - http://pleiad.cl/~jfabry PLEIAD lab - Computer Science Department (DCC) - University of Chile

Dec. 20, 2013