November 2013 - Pharo-users

Re: [Pharo-users] [FEEDBACK] Install Pharo on MacOSX

by Benjamin

On 05 Nov 2013, at 14:01, btc(a)openinworld.com wrote: > MartinW wrote: >> >> "Damien Cassouâ wrote >> >>> I've just made a .dmg file for installing Pharo on MacOSX. Please try >>> it and report problems: >>> >> >> Works fine on 10.8.5. >> But in my Applications Folder is already the Pharo VM called âPharoâ, so >> perhaps you should rename the launcher to âPharo Launcherâ or something like >> this? >> >> AND, the Launcher looks great! Did you describe somewhere, how you made the >> UI so that it fills the whole Pharo Window? This can be done with any Spec-based UI by opening it with #openWorldWithSpec Ben > Have a look PhLDeploymentScript #doAll and #undoAll. It was quite enlightening to discover how it works. > In addition, I think PharoLauncher is a great showcase for anyone wanting to see how Spec is used in practice. Its not too large and the code is well designed and accessible. As my first exposure to Spec I found it reasonably straightforward to extend PharoLauncher to add a few of those features you are looking at. > >> And one can even change to and from âDeveloper Modeâ easily via settings. > Glad you like it. So now is your chance to add any feature that you're missing ;). Damien has been very good at polishing my own rough contributions. > > cheers -ben >> Best regards, >> Martin. >> >> >> >> -- >> View this message in context: http://forum.world.st/FEEDBACK-Install-Pharo-on-MacOSX-tp4719307p4719320.ht… >> Sent from the Pharo Smalltalk Users mailing list archive at Nabble.com. >> >> >> >

Nov. 5, 2013

Re: [Pharo-users] I would rather pay for Smalltalkhub than use Github for free.

by btc＠openinworld.com

Nov. 5, 2013

Re: [Pharo-users] [FEEDBACK] Install Pharo on MacOSX

by btc＠openinworld.com

Nov. 5, 2013

Re: [Pharo-users] Writing a GUI - Where to start?

by Esteban Lorenzano

I also have used Glamour+Magritte with success (but certainly some work), as you can see here: http://smallworks.eu/web/projects/lawsuitTracker On Tue, Nov 5, 2013 at 7:13 AM, phil(a)highoctane.be <phil(a)highoctane.be>wrote: > Here: > http://www.smalltalkhub.com/#!/~Magritte/Magritte3/packages/Magritte-Morph > > Ah Fossil, good thing. Sqlite creator's all in one DVCS. > > It is what is used for another language I like: Tcl. > http://www2.tcl.tk/36711 > > Phil > > > > > On Tue, Nov 5, 2013 at 10:18 AM, Bahman Movaqar <Bahman(a)bahmanm.com>wrote: > >> On 11/05/2013 11:46, phil(a)highoctane.be wrote: >> > >> > If you want to do a business application, well, I'd use Seaside and a >> > web based UI. (that's the current conclusion for my own ongoing >> > development) >> >> Of course. However this is not a business application. It's a >> front-end to a DVCS named Fossil. >> >> > >> > Otherwise, Spec (which is in a state of flux), or Morphic (which is >> > not covering all you may need in an application). >> > >> > You can also follow the work of Sean De Nigris who is trying to get a >> > Magritte Morphic working. >> > >> >> Where can I follow his work? >> >> > >> > >> > >> > On Tue, Nov 5, 2013 at 8:36 AM, Alain Busser <alain.busser(a)gmail.com >> > <mailto:alain.busser@gmail.com>> wrote: >> > >> > Hi, >> > >> > as I have a similar need, I guess what you are aiming at is a >> > tutorial for absolute beginners in Spec, so the question is more >> > "where could we find such a tutorial?". And of course I will read >> > it carefully if there exists one ;-) >> > >> > Alain >> > >> > >> > On Tue, Nov 5, 2013 at 9:07 AM, Bahman Movaqar <Bahman(a)bahmanm.com >> > <mailto:Bahman@bahmanm.com>> wrote: >> > >> > Hi all, >> > >> > I need to build a typical GUI application (menus, buttons, modal >> > dialogs, ...). I'd appreciate if you could point me to where >> > should I >> > start and what are the choices for a UI framework in Pharo? >> > >> >> >> -- >> Bahman Movaqar (http://BahmanM.com) >> >> ERP Evaluation, Implementation & Deployment Consultant >> PGP Key ID: 0x6AB5BD68 (keyserver2.pgp.com) >> >> >> >

Nov. 5, 2013

Re: [Pharo-users] SerialPlugin on MacOS

by Bernat Romagosa

Hi Luc, Smalltalk vm version reports: 'NBCoInterpreter NativeBoost-CogPlugin-EstebanLorenzano.18 uuid: a53445f9-c0c0-4015-97a3-be7db8d9ed6b Mar 13 2013 NBCogit NativeBoost-CogPlugin-EstebanLorenzano.18 uuid: a53445f9-c0c0-4015-97a3-be7db8d9ed6b Mar 13 2013 git://gitorious.org/cogvm/blessed.git Commit: 412abef33cbed05cf1d75329e451d71c0c6aa5a7 Date: 2013-03-13 17:48:50 +0100 By: Esteban Lorenzano <estebanlm(a)gmail.com> Jenkins build #14535 ' It's the one listed as "latest" at the downloads section in pharo-project.org Cheers, Bernat. 2013/11/5 Luc Fabresse <luc.fabresse(a)gmail.com> > > > 2013/11/5 Luc Fabresse <luc.fabresse(a)gmail.com> > >> Hi Bernat, >> >> Which VM version? >> because MacOsX and Linux now use the same C part of the SerialPlugin. >> So if it works on Linux, it be the same on OsX. >> but I have not tried. >> > > yes we only use Linux here for serial stuff. > > >> >> do you use the right protName? >> >> Cheers, >> >> Luc >> >> >> 2013/11/5 Bernat Romagosa <tibabenfortlapalanca(a)gmail.com> >> >>> Hi list, >>> >>> Developing a multi-platform application is not so easy when you have to >>> deal with hardware it seems... >>> >>> So I'm having this PrimitiveFailed error on MacOS, using the latest >>> stable VM listed on the pharo-project website on Pharo20: >>> >>> *PrimitiveFailed: primitive #primWritePortByName:from:startingAt:count: >>> in SerialPort failed* >>> >>> >>> The same code works fine both in Gnu/Linux and Win32, so I'm guessing >>> it's a problem with the serial plugin included in this VM. Any ideas? >>> >>> Cheers, >>> Bernat. >>> >>> -- >>> Bernat Romagosa. >>> >> >> > -- Bernat Romagosa.

Nov. 5, 2013

Re: [Pharo-users] SerialPlugin on MacOS

by Luc Fabresse

2013/11/5 Luc Fabresse <luc.fabresse(a)gmail.com> > Hi Bernat, > > Which VM version? > because MacOsX and Linux now use the same C part of the SerialPlugin. > So if it works on Linux, it be the same on OsX. > but I have not tried. > yes we only use Linux here for serial stuff. > > do you use the right protName? > > Cheers, > > Luc > > > 2013/11/5 Bernat Romagosa <tibabenfortlapalanca(a)gmail.com> > >> Hi list, >> >> Developing a multi-platform application is not so easy when you have to >> deal with hardware it seems... >> >> So I'm having this PrimitiveFailed error on MacOS, using the latest >> stable VM listed on the pharo-project website on Pharo20: >> >> *PrimitiveFailed: primitive #primWritePortByName:from:startingAt:count: >> in SerialPort failed* >> >> >> The same code works fine both in Gnu/Linux and Win32, so I'm guessing >> it's a problem with the serial plugin included in this VM. Any ideas? >> >> Cheers, >> Bernat. >> >> -- >> Bernat Romagosa. >> > >

Nov. 5, 2013

Re: [Pharo-users] SerialPlugin on MacOS

by Luc Fabresse

Hi Bernat, Which VM version? because MacOsX and Linux now use the same C part of the SerialPlugin. So if it works on Linux, it be the same on OsX. but I have not tried. do you use the right protName? Cheers, Luc 2013/11/5 Bernat Romagosa <tibabenfortlapalanca(a)gmail.com> > Hi list, > > Developing a multi-platform application is not so easy when you have to > deal with hardware it seems... > > So I'm having this PrimitiveFailed error on MacOS, using the latest stable > VM listed on the pharo-project website on Pharo20: > > *PrimitiveFailed: primitive #primWritePortByName:from:startingAt:count: in > SerialPort failed* > > > The same code works fine both in Gnu/Linux and Win32, so I'm guessing it's > a problem with the serial plugin included in this VM. Any ideas? > > Cheers, > Bernat. > > -- > Bernat Romagosa. >

Nov. 5, 2013

Re: [Pharo-users] [FEEDBACK] Install Pharo on MacOSX

by Ignacio MatÃas Sniechowski

It works perfectly, so far. Nice the addition of Pharo Launcher!. cheers Nacho *Lic. Ignacio Sniechowski, MBA* On Tue, Nov 5, 2013 at 7:18 AM, Damien Cassou <damien.cassou(a)gmail.com>wrote: > Hi, > > I've just made a .dmg file for installing Pharo on MacOSX. Please try > it and report problems: > > > https://ci.inria.fr/pharo-contribution/job/PharoLauncher-Mac-Package/16/art… > > Best, > > -- > Damien Cassou > http://damiencassou.seasidehosting.st > > "Success is the ability to go from one failure to another without > losing enthusiasm." > Winston Churchill > >

Nov. 5, 2013

Re: [Pharo-users] I would rather pay for Smalltalkhub than use Github for free.

by FranÃ§ois Stephany

+1 Projects are not only source code anymore. Most of my projects have a gazillion of images, javascript, CSS files, etc. Storing all those external files in .mcz packages is not scalable (and not even elegant). FileTree+Git, while not ideal, solve the issue quite nicely. And you don't need Github anyway... On Sun, Nov 3, 2013 at 4:13 PM, Camillo Bruni <camillobruni(a)gmail.com>wrote: > > On 2013-11-03, at 15:52, Stephan Eggermont <stephan(a)stack.nl> wrote: > > > Kilon wrote > >> I take a look at previous experiments like squeaksource and I find > little justification to not support Github. But then I am not against > Smalltalkhub or other >repos being available to Pharo. The more the merrier. > > > > I see some very strong arguments against depending on github: > > - it is centralized infrastructure, essentially unsuitable for use with > a distributed version control system; > > - it doesnât support working at the right granularity; > > - the smalltalk community is too small to have any influence on the > directions github is taking. > > It is a commercial organization that can decide to do something we > donât like at any time. > > It is free, so we are the product. Just take a look at sourceforge; > > - we can do much better than github (but donât have enough time). We > should be using a P2P, > > bittorrent like system for version control. > > github != git and whether we use github or now does not matter at all. > What matters is that we use technology that is robust and that we have a > versioning > system that works decentralized. All of that is solved by git. > > With filetree we have the proper granularity (methods) > With github we have an awesome website, such as we have an aweseome > website with smalltalkhub, execpt that monticello should be modernized. > Sadly the community is too small to achieve that, and inventing yet another > versioning tool/system won't help on the short run. Maybe, yes someday in > the future we can have our own fancy fully object-oriented versioning > system, but IMO that is wasted effort, as git/mercurial come very close to > something ideal. > > I am happy to give more insight into git, because I think you have quite a > wrong picture about it :) > >

Nov. 5, 2013

Re: [Pharo-users] [FEEDBACK] Install Pharo on MacOSX

by MartinW

"Damien Cassouâ wrote > I've just made a .dmg file for installing Pharo on MacOSX. Please try > it and report problems: Works fine on 10.8.5. But in my Applications Folder is already the Pharo VM called âPharoâ, so perhaps you should rename the launcher to âPharo Launcherâ or something like this? AND, the Launcher looks great! Did you describe somewhere, how you made the UI so that it fills the whole Pharo Window? And one can even change to and from âDeveloper Modeâ easily via settings. I only deployed a Pharo Desktop application once - and with great pain - and your way of doing things might be extremly useful to others! Please write a blogpost about it or a chapter for one of the Pharo books :) Best regards, Martin. -- View this message in context: http://forum.world.st/FEEDBACK-Install-Pharo-on-MacOSX-tp4719307p4719320.ht… Sent from the Pharo Smalltalk Users mailing list archive at Nabble.com.

Nov. 5, 2013