November 2013 - Pharo-users

Re: [Pharo-users] Why won't my Pharo download run?

by Igor Stasenko

On 7 November 2013 15:31, PBK Research <peter(a)pbkresearch.co.uk> wrote: > Thanks. I am using the latest one-click distribution of Pharo, > downloaded today from the Pharo website. Presumably that should have the > latest VM? > > yes, but if .image file extension associated with wrong version of VM binary, which you installed previously (as you mentioned), it won't automagically use proper one. unless you run vm from command line e.g.: pharo.exe myimage.image or change the association to use different vm. ------------------------------ > *From:* Pharo-users [mailto:pharo-users-bounces@lists.pharo.org] *On > Behalf Of *Igor Stasenko > *Sent:* 07 November 2013 13:53 > *To:* Any question about pharo is welcome > *Subject:* Re: [Pharo-users] Why won't my Pharo download run? > > > > > On 7 November 2013 14:18, PBK Research <peter(a)pbkresearch.co.uk> wrote: > >> Hello! >> >> I have a problem with running Pharo 2.0 on one of my machines. I have two >> machines, both running Windows XP with SP3. On one of them I have a >> successful load of Pharo (actually it's a distribution of the Moose system, >> but that is just an application built on Pharo 2.0). This loads >> successfully when I double click on pharo.exe. On the other machine, the >> same action produces an immediate message: 'Pharo.exe has encountered a >> problem and needs to close'. Just in case this was some problem with Moose, >> I have just downloaded the latest one-click installation of Pharo 2.0 for >> Windows. This displays exactly the same behaviour - an immediate fail when >> I try to start it. >> >> I have tried to work out what may be different between the two machines. >> The one which will run Pharo has an Intel Celeron processor, the other an >> AMD Athlon XP (yes, they are both pretty ancient!), but I can't see why >> that should make any difference. The one curious thing is that Windows >> Explorer displays the type of the Pharo2.0.image file as 'Squeak image >> file'. There is an old version of Squeak installed on that machine; could >> that have any effect? >> >> I am a bit flummoxed by all this. Does anyone have any suggestions about >> how to diagnose the problem? >> >> > > If you using too old VM , it simply does not supports an image format, > which pharo 2.0 uses. > But there could be different reasons.. a first step towards to solution is > to use VM for pharo, which we maintain and use.. > > > >> Many thanks >> >> Peter Kenny >> > > > > -- > Best regards, > Igor Stasenko. > -- Best regards, Igor Stasenko.

Nov. 7, 2013

Re: [Pharo-users] Repository of petit parser

by Norbert Hartl

Btw. how is the ConfigurationOfPetitParser supposed to work? I loaded the one from the moose repo. Looking at it I need to use at least 1.6 because earlier versions have still Lukasâ repositories configured. But if I load 1.6 and try to use Versionner it shows me that I have 1.8-snapshot loaded. Is this a problem of versionner because of the use of snapshotocello it canât find version numbers in the version methods? So even if Iâm willing to use the 1.8-snapshot version I canât because I want to load only the core and not the rest of the universe but the groups are missing in 1.8-snapshot while being there in 1.7-snapshot. I would be glad if someone could shed some light how this should work and why it needs all the added complexity. My advize would be to separate metacello configurations for the different uses of it. I do the same with my own projects because it causes less trouble. A ConfigurationOfPetitParser and a separate ConfigurationOfPetitGui that introduces dependencies to glamour et al. would save some headaches for people that are only interested in PetitParser. Norbert Am 07.11.2013 um 13:13 schrieb Norbert Hartl <norbert(a)hartl.name>: > > > Am 07.11.2013 um 12:12 schrieb Tudor Girba <tudor(a)tudorgirba.com>: > >> Hi, >> >> I think you missed my point. I know I can technically load the code from multiple places :). >> > I know you know. I couldn't miss the point because for me there is none :) >> For Moose, PetitParser is an important component that is being developed by the team. Up to now, we did that, hence it made perfect sense to have it in the Moose team repository and in our responsibility. >> > Agreed. I have just a different view. I'm using petit parser since 2 1/2 years and to me it never made any sense moving it into moose :) >> Moving is no problem, as long as we ensure that others actually do something, and that the development does not go in strange directions (which I agree it is unlikely). As I said, it would be great to see PetitParser in the Pharo image and be used by Opal. > > Ok, no need to argue. Nothing is carved in stone. I just like to say that I would prefer petit parser breaking loose from moose. > > Norbert >> >> >> >> On Thu, Nov 7, 2013 at 11:58 AM, Norbert Hartl <norbert(a)hartl.name> wrote: >> >> Am 07.11.2013 um 11:46 schrieb Tudor Girba <tudor(a)tudorgirba.com>: >> >>> Hi, >>> >>> It is in the Moose repository because Moose was essentially the first larger user (besides Helvetia) since its inception (more than 3 years now), and because the development of PetitParser was taken care of by the Moose team. >>> >> Being a user of a software is not a good reason to tie it to it. Ask Stef ;) It is nice if the moose team took (and takes) care for it. But you can take care in another repository as well. I think petit parser is an important and standalone package that has nothing to do with moose. Putting this inside another project just weakens the included project. >> >>> If others want to contribute (and even integrate into Pharo), it would be great and then we should move it. But, moving should come with commitment. This is an important piece in Moose and we need it to stay working and compatible with Moose requirements. >>> >> That is what metacello is for. Refer to the versions you need and you are off the races. As you are one of those who maintains it you are even in the position to _not_ integrate every other change. So if the write restriction to petit parser (being in the moose repo) is the solution we should talk. >> >> Norbert >> >>> Cheers, >>> Doru >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> On Thu, Nov 7, 2013 at 11:19 AM, Norbert Hartl <norbert(a)hartl.name> wrote: >>> >>> Am 07.11.2013 um 11:07 schrieb Stephan Eggermont <stephan(a)stack.nl>: >>> >>> > The official repository of PetitParser is >>> > Moose/PetitParser >>> > on smalltalkhub >>> > >>> thanks. >>> >>> > http://forum.world.st/moving-petitparser-to-smalltalkhub-td4671840.html >>> > >>> Well, this is not a good place IMHO. A more independent but official repo would be nice. >>> >>> Norbert >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> www.tudorgirba.com >>> >>> "Every thing has its own flow" >> >> >> >> >> -- >> www.tudorgirba.com >> >> "Every thing has its own flow"

Nov. 7, 2013

Re: [Pharo-users] Why won't my Pharo download run?

by PBK Research

Thanks. I am using the latest one-click distribution of Pharo, downloaded today from the Pharo website. Presumably that should have the latest VM? _____ From: Pharo-users [mailto:pharo-users-bounces@lists.pharo.org] On Behalf Of Igor Stasenko Sent: 07 November 2013 13:53 To: Any question about pharo is welcome Subject: Re: [Pharo-users] Why won't my Pharo download run? On 7 November 2013 14:18, PBK Research <peter(a)pbkresearch.co.uk> wrote: Hello! I have a problem with running Pharo 2.0 on one of my machines. I have two machines, both running Windows XP with SP3. On one of them I have a successful load of Pharo (actually it's a distribution of the Moose system, but that is just an application built on Pharo 2.0). This loads successfully when I double click on pharo.exe. On the other machine, the same action produces an immediate message: 'Pharo.exe has encountered a problem and needs to close'. Just in case this was some problem with Moose, I have just downloaded the latest one-click installation of Pharo 2.0 for Windows. This displays exactly the same behaviour - an immediate fail when I try to start it. I have tried to work out what may be different between the two machines. The one which will run Pharo has an Intel Celeron processor, the other an AMD Athlon XP (yes, they are both pretty ancient!), but I can't see why that should make any difference. The one curious thing is that Windows Explorer displays the type of the Pharo2.0.image file as 'Squeak image file'. There is an old version of Squeak installed on that machine; could that have any effect? I am a bit flummoxed by all this. Does anyone have any suggestions about how to diagnose the problem? If you using too old VM , it simply does not supports an image format, which pharo 2.0 uses. But there could be different reasons.. a first step towards to solution is to use VM for pharo, which we maintain and use.. Many thanks Peter Kenny -- Best regards, Igor Stasenko.

Nov. 7, 2013

Re: [Pharo-users] [FEEDBACK] Install Pharo on MacOSX

by Damien Cassou

On Tue, Nov 5, 2013 at 6:50 PM, Manfred KrÃ¶hnert < mkroehnert42(a)googlemail.com> wrote: > Just a minor issue with the DMG itself. > When I opened it on OS X 10.6.8 the lower text was cut off by the window. > See attached image. > Would you please try the new dmg? https://ci.inria.fr/pharo-contribution/job/PharoLauncher-Mac-Package/18/art… -- Damien Cassou http://damiencassou.seasidehosting.st "Success is the ability to go from one failure to another without losing enthusiasm." Winston Churchill

Nov. 7, 2013

Re: [Pharo-users] [FEEDBACK] Install Pharo on MacOSX

by Ignacio MatÃas Sniechowski

It happened to me, though I easily fixed checking the option for automatically download sources when needed (perhaps you can make that as a default). Nice work Damien. best regards Nacho *Lic. Ignacio Sniechowski, MBA* On Thu, Nov 7, 2013 at 10:43 AM, Damien Cassou <damien.cassou(a)gmail.com>wrote: > > On Tue, Nov 5, 2013 at 9:04 PM, kilon alios <kilon.alios(a)gmail.com> wrote: > >> The one side effect I see, is that when an image is downloaded and >> launched Pharo complains that it cant find the sources. Are sources >> necessary for running the image ? >> > > I'm very surprised, I didn't see this. Does it also happen for others? > > > -- > Damien Cassou > http://damiencassou.seasidehosting.st > > "Success is the ability to go from one failure to another without losing > enthusiasm." > Winston Churchill >

Nov. 7, 2013

Re: [Pharo-users] Why won't my Pharo download run?

by Igor Stasenko

On 7 November 2013 14:18, PBK Research <peter(a)pbkresearch.co.uk> wrote: > Hello! > > I have a problem with running Pharo 2.0 on one of my machines. I have two > machines, both running Windows XP with SP3. On one of them I have a > successful load of Pharo (actually it's a distribution of the Moose system, > but that is just an application built on Pharo 2.0). This loads > successfully when I double click on pharo.exe. On the other machine, the > same action produces an immediate message: 'Pharo.exe has encountered a > problem and needs to close'. Just in case this was some problem with Moose, > I have just downloaded the latest one-click installation of Pharo 2.0 for > Windows. This displays exactly the same behaviour - an immediate fail when > I try to start it. > > I have tried to work out what may be different between the two machines. > The one which will run Pharo has an Intel Celeron processor, the other an > AMD Athlon XP (yes, they are both pretty ancient!), but I can't see why > that should make any difference. The one curious thing is that Windows > Explorer displays the type of the Pharo2.0.image file as 'Squeak image > file'. There is an old version of Squeak installed on that machine; could > that have any effect? > > I am a bit flummoxed by all this. Does anyone have any suggestions about > how to diagnose the problem? > > If you using too old VM , it simply does not supports an image format, which pharo 2.0 uses. But there could be different reasons.. a first step towards to solution is to use VM for pharo, which we maintain and use.. > Many thanks > > Peter Kenny > -- Best regards, Igor Stasenko.

Nov. 7, 2013

Re: [Pharo-users] [FEEDBACK] Install Pharo on MacOSX

by Esteban Lorenzano

Damien, I think the RMoD team has an account that you can use to put apps in the apple store . Cheers, Esteban On Thu, Nov 7, 2013 at 10:43 AM, Damien Cassou <damien.cassou(a)gmail.com>wrote: > > On Tue, Nov 5, 2013 at 9:04 PM, kilon alios <kilon.alios(a)gmail.com> wrote: > >> The one side effect I see, is that when an image is downloaded and >> launched Pharo complains that it cant find the sources. Are sources >> necessary for running the image ? >> > > I'm very surprised, I didn't see this. Does it also happen for others? > > > -- > Damien Cassou > http://damiencassou.seasidehosting.st > > "Success is the ability to go from one failure to another without losing > enthusiasm." > Winston Churchill >

Nov. 7, 2013

Re: [Pharo-users] [FEEDBACK] Install Pharo on MacOSX

by Damien Cassou

On Tue, Nov 5, 2013 at 9:04 PM, kilon alios <kilon.alios(a)gmail.com> wrote: > The one side effect I see, is that when an image is downloaded and > launched Pharo complains that it cant find the sources. Are sources > necessary for running the image ? > I'm very surprised, I didn't see this. Does it also happen for others? -- Damien Cassou http://damiencassou.seasidehosting.st "Success is the ability to go from one failure to another without losing enthusiasm." Winston Churchill

Nov. 7, 2013

Re: [Pharo-users] [FEEDBACK] Install Pharo on MacOSX

by Damien Cassou

On Tue, Nov 5, 2013 at 6:50 PM, Manfred KrÃ¶hnert < mkroehnert42(a)googlemail.com> wrote: > When I opened it on OS X 10.6.8 the lower text was cut off by the window. I've never seen this tool bar you have with the slider (I'm not a MacOS user). I think this is the cause of the fex pixels missing at the bottom. Is it a standard bar on all Finder windows? I will make sure to leave some space after the text in case other users have the same tool bar. -- Damien Cassou http://damiencassou.seasidehosting.st "Success is the ability to go from one failure to another without losing enthusiasm." Winston Churchill

Nov. 7, 2013

Re: [Pharo-users] [FEEDBACK] Install Pharo on MacOSX

by Damien Cassou

On Tue, Nov 5, 2013 at 12:08 PM, MartinW <wm(a)fastmail.fm> wrote: > But in my Applications Folder is already the Pharo VM called âPharoâ, so > perhaps you should rename the launcher to âPharo Launcherâ or something like > this? In my view, the Pharo Launcher will be the only installed Pharo for every new users of Pharo 3.0. So, I don't want to rename the application "Pharo Launcher". When you install Eclipse, you don't expect to get a "Eclipse Launcher" application, do you? :-) > AND, the Launcher looks great! Did you describe somewhere, how you made the > UI so that it fills the whole Pharo Window? > Please write a blogpost about it or a chapter for one of the Pharo books :) That would be great. But I can't do it because I don't have time. If you want to write something by looking at the source code, I would be very happy to help you and proof read your text. That could become your first contribution to a Pharo book :-) -- Damien Cassou http://damiencassou.seasidehosting.st "Success is the ability to go from one failure to another without losing enthusiasm." Winston Churchill

Nov. 7, 2013