January 2013 - Pharo-users - lists.pharo.org

Re: [Pharo-users] tuesday we will do a coding sprint here at Santiago

by Marcus Denker

On Jan 29, 2013, at 7:21 AM, "Peter H. Meadows" <peter.h.meadows(a)googlemail.com> wrote: > So? That doesn't mean we can't run it in Pharo, does it? > GPL is very complicated in Smalltalk. As soon as you distribute the image, the viral part kicks in. It's even a question if this means that the MIT parts then magically have to be GPL, too (which they can not). I think the FSF counts MIT as compatible in the sense that you can mix code bases without having to make the MIT code GPL, but of course the more strong one is the only one that matters when the overall system is distributed together. It is hard to find a reason why anyone would invest into a code base like that (other than the company that has the copyright so for them, they can use another license when distributing). Even the FSF uses a less strict license for code that people are supposed to link to, a Linux where every program would be forced to be GPL would never have been successful. You can't build a platform like this. Marcus

Jan. 29, 2013

Re: [Pharo-users] tuesday we will do a coding sprint here at Santiago

by Peter H. Meadows

So? That doesn't mean we can't run it in Pharo, does it? or.. OpenCobalt is MIT.. On 29 January 2013 06:12, Marcus Denker <marcus.denker(a)inria.fr> wrote: > > On Jan 29, 2013, at 5:40 AM, Peter H. Meadows < > peter.h.meadows(a)googlemail.com> wrote: > > > Maybe we should use OpenQwaq for virtual sprints! (But first we have to > port it to Pharo :-/ > > It's GPL. > > Marcus > > >

Jan. 29, 2013

Re: [Pharo-users] tuesday we will do a coding sprint here at Santiago

by Marcus Denker

On Jan 29, 2013, at 5:40 AM, Peter H. Meadows <peter.h.meadows(a)googlemail.com> wrote: > Maybe we should use OpenQwaq for virtual sprints! (But first we have to port it to Pharo :-/ It's GPL. Marcus

Jan. 29, 2013

Re: [Pharo-users] tuesday we will do a coding sprint here at Santiago

by Peter H. Meadows

Maybe we should use OpenQwaq for virtual sprints! (But first we have to port it to Pharo :-/ ) On 29 January 2013 04:18, Sean P. DeNigris <sean(a)clipperadams.com> wrote: > StÃ©phane Ducasse wrote > > I guess starting around 9h30 > > Great, I want to play. I'll be online and available via > Skype/phone/IRC/smoke-signals/whatever bright and early (I think that's > 0730 > in NY time)... > > > > -- > View this message in context: > http://forum.world.st/tuesday-we-will-do-a-coding-sprint-here-at-Santiago-t… > Sent from the Pharo Smalltalk Users mailing list archive at Nabble.com. > >

Jan. 29, 2013

Re: [Pharo-users] tuesday we will do a coding sprint here at Santiago

by Sean P. DeNigris

StÃ©phane Ducasse wrote > I guess starting around 9h30 Great, I want to play. I'll be online and available via Skype/phone/IRC/smoke-signals/whatever bright and early (I think that's 0730 in NY time)... -- View this message in context: http://forum.world.st/tuesday-we-will-do-a-coding-sprint-here-at-Santiago-t… Sent from the Pharo Smalltalk Users mailing list archive at Nabble.com.

Jan. 29, 2013

world menu shortcut

by Peter H. Meadows

Is there a keyboard shortcut to open the world menu from anywhere? How about adding a button to the taskbar?

Jan. 29, 2013

Re: [Pharo-users] Phaas - anyone interested in setting up Pharo as a Service?

by Stephan Eggermont

Stef wrote: >I'm really interested in seeing this egg/chicken problem solved by getting something out the ground. >for the visibility of Pharo and smalltalk in general. So I would love to see some proposals and some budgets >to see how to Pharo association/ESUG/Consortium/other companies could put money on the table >to get started. The way to get this stuff started is to first make sure you can automatically provision whole boxes. There is some work done for this for a gemstone-seaside box: there are chef scripts, mostly by Willem and Norbert https://github.com/noha/virtual-gemstone The place to talk about this is this weekend at FOSDEM. There are devrooms focusing on these issues: Configuration Systems Management (Puppet & Chef), Testing and Automation (the Jenkins guys) Virtualisation on saturday and Cloud on sunday I'm not sure at what market heroku and appfog are aiming. They don't seem to have the right incentives to perform well, as they make more money if you need more instances. Might be perfect for hosting marketing campaigns or so, but definitely not for freemium based business models. DevOps on Hetzner servers might be a lot cheaper. Stephan

Jan. 28, 2013

Re: [Pharo-users] petit parser

by Hilaire Fernandes

Does this class supposed to be inherrited or instantiated directly? Thanks Hilaire Le 28/01/2013 14:16, Guillaume Larcheveque a Ã©crit : > look at PPExpressionParser class. > > it's designed for that and you have a great example in the class comment > > 2013/1/28 Hilaire Fernandes <hilaire.fernandes(a)gmail.com > <mailto:hilaire.fernandes@gmail.com>> > > Hello > > I try to extent the example of the arithmetic evaluator[1], I don't > understand the magic underneath nor how you will make it works with > substraction. > > Changing method add to: > > add > ^ prod, ($+ asParser / $- asParser) trim, term > > > to parse mixture addition and substraction is wrong: > > parser parse: '1 - 2 + 6' -> #(1 $- #(2 $+ 6)) > > > The precedence is wrong. > > How will you make it work? It seems to me the way to handle precedence > in the example is not suited for extension > > Thanks > > Hilaire > > > > [1] http://pharobooks.gforge.inria.fr/PharoByExampleTwo-Eng/latest/ > > > > > > -- > *Guillaume Larcheveque* >

Jan. 28, 2013

Re: [Pharo-users] Phaas - anyone interested in setting up Pharo as a Service?

by Sven Van Caekenberghe

On 28 Jan 2013, at 14:32, Geert Claes <geert.wl.claes(a)gmail.com> wrote: > I did a quick Google and found this Squeak Heroku Buildpack: > https://github.com/frankshearar/smalltalk-heroku-buildpack That seems pretty recent, I am also not so sure it really worksâ¦ And this worries me: https://github.com/frankshearar/smalltalk-heroku-buildpack#notes He is using a older stack VM because of a 32/64 bit conflict. It would be a shame to lose the use of a Cog based VM. It is not that we need a 64 bit VM, but the 32 bit VM should be compilable against a 64 bit OS. This is beyond my skills... When I said that Heroku would be doable, I did not say it was the best way to go. All this looks still pretty complicated for people without *nix skills. Maybe it is worth the effort for what you get back, I just don't know. I myself like Amazon AWS a lot, but that is not PaaS, but IaaS with lots of options. Also note that there is no such thing as magic scalability... Sven -- Sven Van Caekenberghe http://stfx.eu Smalltalk is the Red Pill

Jan. 28, 2013

Re: [Pharo-users] tuesday we will do a coding sprint here at Santiago

by StÃ©phane Ducasse

I guess starting around 9h30 On Jan 28, 2013, at 10:18 AM, Sean P. DeNigris wrote: > StÃ©phane Ducasse wrote >> We will do a coding sprint here at Santiago @ DCC (Pleaid building) >> http://pleiad.dcc.uchile.cl > > What time is the sprint tomorrow? I want to join virtually from NYC... > > > > -- > View this message in context: http://forum.world.st/tuesday-we-will-do-a-coding-sprint-here-at-Santiago-t… > Sent from the Pharo Smalltalk Users mailing list archive at Nabble.com. >

Jan. 28, 2013