June 2012 - Pharo-users - lists.pharo.org

Re: [Pharo-users] Evaluating Nautilus

by Benjamin

Hello :) This is a nice challenge :) Firstly, you have to know that the model behind Nautilus is really different that the one behind OB. Let's say nothing in common. On the other hand, the code pane modification can be made within an hour (maybe two if you are not confident with morphic, but it doesn't seems to be the case) using the plugin mecanism (Johan Fabry can testify ^^). Then, Nautilus is not cross platform, but we have developed Spec with the goal to use it for Nautilus, and Spec is(will be ^^) cross platform. So one day, Nautilus will be cross platform. Sadly, I will not be soon (I have to rewrite the whole ui). About the command definition, I am not an OB expert, but I think that Command are used for menu entries. In Nautilus the menus definition are based on pragma, so any class can extend Nautilus menus. In a nutshell, what I have seen in the video is doable in roughly a couple of hours :) If you decide to give a try to Nautilus, let me know, and I will be glad to help/answer question/provide pieces of code etc :) Ben On Jun 22, 2012, at 8:14 AM, HernÃ¡n Morales Durand wrote: > First let me apologize for asking without properly evaluating first. I took some time and read about Nautilus which it seems a very nice work. I've developed a phylogenetics classifier using OmniBrowser, but I wondered if Nautilus could save me some effort, and I'm planning to test Pharo 1.4 or 2.0 in some future in which AFAIK OmniBrowser will not be supported anymore. > > - Some time ago I've modified the OmniBrowser framework to browse anything I wanted in the "code pane" (the lower pane typically used for displaying/editing code), as we had a complex OODB it was very useful, see http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VxUaOFRHFPk for a demo. However it was not easy to understand the OB internals and make the modifications. Have you tried to implement such feature in Nautilus? > - There is documentation for developing browsers with Nautilus? Something which explains the basic architecture, how it differs from OB? for example: > --Do you have to define a metagraph? > --May I have multiple definition panels? > -Do you have a mapping for each node type (class?) with each column? > -OB is not cross-UI (it depends on Morphic). Can I use a Nautilus browser within a web browser? > - Another thing which is really easy is to define Commands in OB, (although the #isActive logic could become a mess without some care). How it is different in Nautilus? > > I'm sure I would rewrite my browsers with Nautilus, my key question is how much of the OB knowledge I can re-use? > > Cheers, > > HernÃ¡n > > -- > HernÃ¡n Morales > Institute of Veterinary Genetics. > National Scientific and Technical Research Council (CONICET). > La Plata (1900), Buenos Aires, Argentina. > Telephone: +54 (0221) 421-1799. > Internal: 422 > Fax: 425-7980 or 421-1799. >

June 22, 2012

Re: [Pharo-users] Evaluating Nautilus

by Esteban Lorenzano

and btw... for that kind of work is incredible simpler to use glamour (you can have exactly the same browser in 15'... I know that because I made it for mongo databases :). At the unique price of load glamour. Esteban On Jun 22, 2012, at 9:16 AM, StÃ©phane Ducasse wrote: > do not confuse Nautilus and Spec. Nautilus is (or should be) defined using Spec. > > Spec is the framework for building UI. We are slowly rewriting all the tools based on spec while learning and improving Spec. > Ideally we would like to be able to reuse a builder PAINTER (a tool to place widgets on the screen) and to generate Spec. > > Stef > > On Jun 22, 2012, at 8:14 AM, HernÃ¡n Morales Durand wrote: > >> First let me apologize for asking without properly evaluating first. I took some time and read about Nautilus which it seems a very nice work. I've developed a phylogenetics classifier using OmniBrowser, but I wondered if Nautilus could save me some effort, and I'm planning to test Pharo 1.4 or 2.0 in some future in which AFAIK OmniBrowser will not be supported anymore. >> >> - Some time ago I've modified the OmniBrowser framework to browse anything I wanted in the "code pane" (the lower pane typically used for displaying/editing code), as we had a complex OODB it was very useful, see http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VxUaOFRHFPk for a demo. However it was not easy to understand the OB internals and make the modifications. Have you tried to implement such feature in Nautilus? >> - There is documentation for developing browsers with Nautilus? Something which explains the basic architecture, how it differs from OB? for example: >> --Do you have to define a metagraph? >> --May I have multiple definition panels? >> -Do you have a mapping for each node type (class?) with each column? >> -OB is not cross-UI (it depends on Morphic). Can I use a Nautilus browser within a web browser? >> - Another thing which is really easy is to define Commands in OB, (although the #isActive logic could become a mess without some care). How it is different in Nautilus? >> >> I'm sure I would rewrite my browsers with Nautilus, my key question is how much of the OB knowledge I can re-use? >> >> Cheers, >> >> HernÃ¡n >> >> -- >> HernÃ¡n Morales >> Institute of Veterinary Genetics. >> National Scientific and Technical Research Council (CONICET). >> La Plata (1900), Buenos Aires, Argentina. >> Telephone: +54 (0221) 421-1799. >> Internal: 422 >> Fax: 425-7980 or 421-1799. >> > >

June 22, 2012

Re: [Pharo-users] Evaluating Nautilus

by StÃ©phane Ducasse

do not confuse Nautilus and Spec. Nautilus is (or should be) defined using Spec. Spec is the framework for building UI. We are slowly rewriting all the tools based on spec while learning and improving Spec. Ideally we would like to be able to reuse a builder PAINTER (a tool to place widgets on the screen) and to generate Spec. Stef On Jun 22, 2012, at 8:14 AM, HernÃ¡n Morales Durand wrote: > First let me apologize for asking without properly evaluating first. I took some time and read about Nautilus which it seems a very nice work. I've developed a phylogenetics classifier using OmniBrowser, but I wondered if Nautilus could save me some effort, and I'm planning to test Pharo 1.4 or 2.0 in some future in which AFAIK OmniBrowser will not be supported anymore. > > - Some time ago I've modified the OmniBrowser framework to browse anything I wanted in the "code pane" (the lower pane typically used for displaying/editing code), as we had a complex OODB it was very useful, see http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VxUaOFRHFPk for a demo. However it was not easy to understand the OB internals and make the modifications. Have you tried to implement such feature in Nautilus? > - There is documentation for developing browsers with Nautilus? Something which explains the basic architecture, how it differs from OB? for example: > --Do you have to define a metagraph? > --May I have multiple definition panels? > -Do you have a mapping for each node type (class?) with each column? > -OB is not cross-UI (it depends on Morphic). Can I use a Nautilus browser within a web browser? > - Another thing which is really easy is to define Commands in OB, (although the #isActive logic could become a mess without some care). How it is different in Nautilus? > > I'm sure I would rewrite my browsers with Nautilus, my key question is how much of the OB knowledge I can re-use? > > Cheers, > > HernÃ¡n > > -- > HernÃ¡n Morales > Institute of Veterinary Genetics. > National Scientific and Technical Research Council (CONICET). > La Plata (1900), Buenos Aires, Argentina. > Telephone: +54 (0221) 421-1799. > Internal: 422 > Fax: 425-7980 or 421-1799. >

June 22, 2012

Evaluating Nautilus

by HernÃ¡n Morales Durand

First let me apologize for asking without properly evaluating first. I took some time and read about Nautilus which it seems a very nice work. I've developed a phylogenetics classifier using OmniBrowser, but I wondered if Nautilus could save me some effort, and I'm planning to test Pharo 1.4 or 2.0 in some future in which AFAIK OmniBrowser will not be supported anymore. - Some time ago I've modified the OmniBrowser framework to browse anything I wanted in the "code pane" (the lower pane typically used for displaying/editing code), as we had a complex OODB it was very useful, see http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VxUaOFRHFPk for a demo. However it was not easy to understand the OB internals and make the modifications. Have you tried to implement such feature in Nautilus? - There is documentation for developing browsers with Nautilus? Something which explains the basic architecture, how it differs from OB? for example: --Do you have to define a metagraph? --May I have multiple definition panels? -Do you have a mapping for each node type (class?) with each column? -OB is not cross-UI (it depends on Morphic). Can I use a Nautilus browser within a web browser? - Another thing which is really easy is to define Commands in OB, (although the #isActive logic could become a mess without some care). How it is different in Nautilus? I'm sure I would rewrite my browsers with Nautilus, my key question is how much of the OB knowledge I can re-use? Cheers, HernÃ¡n -- HernÃ¡n Morales Institute of Veterinary Genetics. National Scientific and Technical Research Council (CONICET). La Plata (1900), Buenos Aires, Argentina. Telephone: +54 (0221) 421-1799. Internal: 422 Fax: 425-7980 or 421-1799.

June 22, 2012

Re: [Pharo-users] Spec version 1.0

by Johan Fabry

On 21 Jun 2012, at 10:55, Sven Van Caekenberghe wrote: > > On 21 Jun 2012, at 11:29, Benjamin wrote: > >> [1] http://hal.inria.fr/docs/00/70/80/67/PDF/SpecTechReport.pdf > > Hmm, documentation, lovely! Indeed :-) There is some more documentation 'in the oven' as well, a paper that is currently under review :-) Hopefully we'll be able to say a bit more about this soon ... ---> Save our in-boxes! http://emailcharter.org <--- Johan Fabry jfabry(a)dcc.uchile.cl - http://www.dcc.uchile.cl/~jfabry PLEIAD Lab - Computer Science Department (DCC) - University of Chile

June 21, 2012

Re: [Pharo-users] Spec version 1.0

by Paul DeBruicker

On 06/21/2012 07:55 AM, Sven Van Caekenberghe wrote: > Hmm, documentation, lovely! > > Thx, > > Sven The hardest part of any project

June 21, 2012

Re: [Pharo-users] Spec version 1.0

by Sven Van Caekenberghe

On 21 Jun 2012, at 11:29, Benjamin wrote: > [1] http://hal.inria.fr/docs/00/70/80/67/PDF/SpecTechReport.pdf Hmm, documentation, lovely! Thx, Sven

June 21, 2012

Re: [Pharo-users] Spec version 1.0

by Robert Shiplett

congrats ! look forward to using Spce as I move ahead on [porting my Curl DCURL app to Pharo (MIT Curl,as in curlap.com ) ( I had been leaning to Dolphin, I confess ! ) Robert On 21 June 2012 06:29, Benjamin <benjamin.vanryseghem.pharo(a)gmail.com> wrote: > Hello every one :) > > I am glad to announce the version 1.0 of Spec which introduce a couple of > nice features like: > - 10 times faster > - better semantic > - better layout management > > You can load it in Pharo 1.4 by executing the following snippet: > > Gofer new > url: 'http://ss3.gemstone.com/ss/Spec'; > package: 'ConfigurationOfSpec'; > load. > > (Smalltalk at: #ConfigurationOfSpec) perform: #loadDefault. > > > In Pharo 2.0, Spec version 1.0 will be integrated soon :) > > In addition, we provide a TechReport about Spec[1] which presents: > -Â an example of how to build a UI using Spec, and how to reuse existing > widgets, > - the public API of the basic widgets > > I would like to thank Johan Fabry and StÃ©phane Ducasse who both really > helped me for this release :) > > Ben > > > [1]Â http://hal.inria.fr/docs/00/70/80/67/PDF/SpecTechReport.pdf

June 21, 2012

Spec version 1.0

by Benjamin

Hello every one :) I am glad to announce the version 1.0 of Spec which introduce a couple of nice features like: - 10 times faster - better semantic - better layout management You can load it in Pharo 1.4 by executing the following snippet: Gofer new url: 'http://ss3.gemstone.com/ss/Spec'; package: 'ConfigurationOfSpec'; load. (Smalltalk at: #ConfigurationOfSpec) perform: #loadDefault. In Pharo 2.0, Spec version 1.0 will be integrated soon :) In addition, we provide a TechReport about Spec[1] which presents: - an example of how to build a UI using Spec, and how to reuse existing widgets, - the public API of the basic widgets I would like to thank Johan Fabry and StÃ©phane Ducasse who both really helped me for this release :) Ben [1] http://hal.inria.fr/docs/00/70/80/67/PDF/SpecTechReport.pdf

June 21, 2012

Re: [Pharo-users] Moving settings to another image

by Alain Plantec

Hi all, This feature has been removed from the core since 1.4. Now we can introduce an export based on the style feature. I will dig a little bit. Cheers Alain Le 14/06/12 22:17, Mariano Martinez Peck a Ã©crit : > > > On Thu, Jun 14, 2012 at 9:45 PM, AndrÃ©s Fortier > <andres(a)lifia.info.unlp.edu.ar <mailto:andres@lifia.info.unlp.edu.ar>> > wrote: > > Great, thanks Mariano! I'll wait to see if there is an easy way to > import/export and if not I'll go the scripting way. > > > I forgot to cc Alain hahahah > > Cheers, > AndrÃ©s > > On jue, 2012-06-14 at 21:20 +0200, Mariano Martinez Peck wrote: > > > > > > On Thu, Jun 14, 2012 at 8:58 PM, AndrÃ©s Fortier > > <andres(a)lifia.info.unlp.edu.ar > <mailto:andres@lifia.info.unlp.edu.ar>> wrote: > > Hi, > > first of all, sorry if this is a trivial question. I'm > > starting to > > develop in a new image and I would like to move the settings > > from a > > previous one. I was hoping to find something like > > "import/export > > settings". Is there a way of doing this? > > > > > > weird...I *was* possible in Pharo 1.3 and I cannot see it since 1.4. > > It was called "Styles" and it was in the top left of the settings > > browser. > > maybe the functionality is there. I cc'ed Alain. > > BTW, but I always do is to script my preferences. See > > http://marianopeck.wordpress.com/2012/05/19/pharo-tips-and-tricks/ > > see title "How to script them?" > > one you have the script, you can use StartupLoader: > > > http://marianopeck.wordpress.com/2012/05/12/startuploader-running-startup-s… > > > > Cheers > > > > > > Thanks in advance! > > AndrÃ©s > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > Mariano > > http://marianopeck.wordpress.com > > > > > > > -- > Mariano > http://marianopeck.wordpress.com >

June 18, 2012