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Re: [Pharo-users] Evaluating Nautilus

by Sven Van Caekenberghe

On 24 Jun 2012, at 10:06, Tudor Girba wrote: > - Read the chapter from The Moose Book: > http://www.themoosebook.org/book/internals/glamour Every time I look at your websites, documentation, presentations, I am in awe: this is all really well done, very beautiful too. I know how much time this takes from experience, I can only start to imagine the effort that went in. Sven

June 24, 2012

Re: [Pharo-users] FileSystemWriteStream>>next??

by Esteban Lorenzano

mmm... because is a "write" stream? On Jun 24, 2012, at 1:21 AM, Bernardo Ezequiel Contreras wrote: > Hi all, > > Anybody knows why the FileSystemWriteStream doesn't implement the message next? > > Thanks. > > > -- > Bernardo E.C.

June 24, 2012

Re: [Pharo-users] [ANN] NeoCSV

by Tudor Girba

This is nice. Thanks! Btw, what is the license? :) Doru On 22 Jun 2012, at 21:01, Sven Van Caekenberghe wrote: > CSV (Comma Separated Values) and more generally other delimiter-separated-value formats like TSV are probably the most common data exchange format. A number of implementations of this simple format already exist. > > NeoCSV is a more flexible and more efficient reader and writer for this format. > > You can find it in > > http://mc.stfx.eu/Neo > > ConfigurationOfNeoCSV is also available from > > http://www.squeaksource.com/MetacelloRepository > http://squeaksource.com/MetaRepoForPharo14 > http://ss3.gemstone.com/ss/MetaRepoForPharo20 > > Documentation can be found here > > https://github.com/svenvc/docs/blob/master/neo/neo-csv-paper.md > > Feedback and users are welcome. > > > Sven > > > -- > Sven Van Caekenberghe > http://stfx.eu > Smalltalk is the Red Pill > -- www.tudorgirba.com "What we can governs what we wish."

June 24, 2012

Re: [Pharo-users] Evaluating Nautilus

by Tudor Girba

Hi HernÃ¡n, Here are some pointers about Glamour: - Glamour is an engine for building browsers (not user interfaces, like Spec). From the goal point of view, it is similar to OmniBrowser. However, the concepts behind are different: Glamour can cover significantly more browser flows and presentations, and it offers a DSL. - Load it in Pharo 1.4 (this loads also several prerequisites): Gofer new squeaksource: 'Glamour'; package: 'ConfigurationOfGlamour'; load. ConfigurationOfGlamour loadDevelopment. - You can also load only the core by: (ConfigurationOfGlamour project version: 'default') load: #('Core' 'Morhic') - Browse the built-in examples: GLMBasicExamples open. - Read the chapter from The Moose Book: http://www.themoosebook.org/book/internals/glamour You can ask more questions about Glamour also on the Moose mailing list: http://www.moosetechnology.org/about/contact Cheers, Doru On 23 Jun 2012, at 07:09, HernÃ¡n Morales Durand wrote: > Hi Esteban > > Would you mind to share some link or more comments about Glamour? It would be really nice to see how to do anything beyond code browsing. > Cheers, > > HernÃ¡n > > 2012/6/22 Esteban Lorenzano <estebanlm(a)gmail.com> > and btw... for that kind of work is incredible simpler to use glamour (you can have exactly the same browser in 15'... I know that because I made it for mongo databases :). > At the unique price of load glamour. > > Esteban > > On Jun 22, 2012, at 9:16 AM, StÃ©phane Ducasse wrote: > > > do not confuse Nautilus and Spec. Nautilus is (or should be) defined using Spec. > > > > Spec is the framework for building UI. We are slowly rewriting all the tools based on spec while learning and improving Spec. > > Ideally we would like to be able to reuse a builder PAINTER (a tool to place widgets on the screen) and to generate Spec. > > > > Stef > > > > On Jun 22, 2012, at 8:14 AM, HernÃ¡n Morales Durand wrote: > > > >> First let me apologize for asking without properly evaluating first. I took some time and read about Nautilus which it seems a very nice work. I've developed a phylogenetics classifier using OmniBrowser, but I wondered if Nautilus could save me some effort, and I'm planning to test Pharo 1.4 or 2.0 in some future in which AFAIK OmniBrowser will not be supported anymore. > >> > >> - Some time ago I've modified the OmniBrowser framework to browse anything I wanted in the "code pane" (the lower pane typically used for displaying/editing code), as we had a complex OODB it was very useful, see http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VxUaOFRHFPk for a demo. However it was not easy to understand the OB internals and make the modifications. Have you tried to implement such feature in Nautilus? > >> - There is documentation for developing browsers with Nautilus? Something which explains the basic architecture, how it differs from OB? for example: > >> --Do you have to define a metagraph? > >> --May I have multiple definition panels? > >> -Do you have a mapping for each node type (class?) with each column? > >> -OB is not cross-UI (it depends on Morphic). Can I use a Nautilus browser within a web browser? > >> - Another thing which is really easy is to define Commands in OB, (although the #isActive logic could become a mess without some care). How it is different in Nautilus? > >> > >> I'm sure I would rewrite my browsers with Nautilus, my key question is how much of the OB knowledge I can re-use? > >> > >> Cheers, > >> > >> HernÃ¡n > >> > >> -- > >> HernÃ¡n Morales > >> Institute of Veterinary Genetics. > >> National Scientific and Technical Research Council (CONICET). > >> La Plata (1900), Buenos Aires, Argentina. > >> Telephone: +54 (0221) 421-1799. > >> Internal: 422 > >> Fax: 425-7980 or 421-1799. > >> > > > > > > > -- www.tudorgirba.com "Value is always contextual."

June 24, 2012

Re: [Pharo-users] Evaluating Nautilus

by HernÃ¡n Morales Durand

Thanks, apparently there is an issue with one of the previous CogVM's and Pharo 1.4. 2012/6/23 Sean P. DeNigris <sean(a)clipperadams.com> > > HernÃ¡n Morales Durand wrote > > > > I've installed Nautilus with the following script in a clean Pharo 1.4 > > core > > > > I've been using the Nautilus 1.4 build on Jenkins... works pretty well > > - S > > -- > View this message in context: > http://forum.world.st/Evaluating-Nautilus-tp4636056p4636280.html > Sent from the Pharo Smalltalk Users mailing list archive at Nabble.com. > >

June 24, 2012

Re: [Pharo-users] Evaluating Nautilus

by HernÃ¡n Morales Durand

Thanks for your answers Benjamin. After reading the chapter I should note the plugin architecture seems very promising, as you've said it, very different from OB. So to create my own browser should I subclass Nautilus? which hook methods should I check first? Some usability issues: When I do "Find class...", type Object and Ok, it takes some time to display the class on the browser. Maybe it would be nice to preload first N methods in the method list? (i'm thinking in performance when browsing large lists). When I bring the menu over a class, there is no "browse hierarchy" option, is this option missing on purpose? Cheers, HernÃ¡n 2012/6/23 Benjamin <benjamin.vanryseghem.pharo(a)gmail.com> > You can found some doc here: > http://rmod.lille.inria.fr/web/pier/software/Tools-Improvement/NautilusDocu… > > For Pharo 1.4, I try to maintain it a bit, but my focus is on the > integration of Nautilus in Pharo 2.0 > > Ben > > On Jun 23, 2012, at 4:32 PM, HernÃ¡n Morales Durand wrote: > > For Nautilus I've read a review blog post at > http://marianopeck.wordpress.com/2012/02/26/nautilus-the-reborn-of-the-syst… I didn't found anything else, maybe I'm missing something? > > I've installed Nautilus with the following script in a clean Pharo 1.4 core > > Gofer it > url: 'http://ss3.gemstone.com/ss/Nautilus'; > package: 'ConfigurationOfNautilus'; > load. > > (Smalltalk at: #ConfigurationOfNautilus) perform: #loadRelease > > but after some random clicks I've received a SubscriptOutOfBounds > exception. I've attached the stack from the debugger and a screenshot. > > HernÃ¡n > > 2012/6/23 Benjamin <benjamin.vanryseghem.pharo(a)gmail.com> > >> What have you read already ? >> >> Ben >> >> On Jun 23, 2012, at 7:18 AM, HernÃ¡n Morales Durand wrote: >> >> Hello Benjamin, >> >> 2012/6/22 Benjamin <benjamin.vanryseghem.pharo(a)gmail.com> >> >>> Hello :) >>> >>> This is a nice challenge :) >>> Firstly, you have to know that the model behind Nautilus is really >>> different that the one behind OB. Let's say nothing in common. >>> On the other hand, the code pane modification can be made within an hour >>> (maybe two if you are not confident with morphic, but it doesn't seems to >>> be the case) using the plugin mecanism (Johan Fabry can testify ^^). >>> >> >> Ok, let us know when more Nautilus documentation is available. >> >> >>> Then, Nautilus is not cross platform, but we have developed Spec with >>> the goal to use it for Nautilus, and Spec is(will be ^^) cross platform. So >>> one day, Nautilus will be cross platform. Sadly, I will not be soon (I have >>> to rewrite the whole ui). >>> >>> >> thanks for the clarification and status update >> >> >> >>> About the command definition, I am not an OB expert, but I think that >>> Command are used for menu entries. >>> In Nautilus the menus definition are based on pragma, so any class can >>> extend Nautilus menus. >>> >>> >> Yes, commands in OB are used to define menu entries and their behavior. >> >> >> >>> In a nutshell, what I have seen in the video is doable in roughly a >>> couple of hours :) >>> If you decide to give a try to Nautilus, let me know, and I will be glad >>> to help/answer question/provide pieces of code etc :) >>> >>> >> Thanks for your reply, I will be in touch. >> >> HernÃ¡n >> >> >> >>> Ben >>> >>> >>> On Jun 22, 2012, at 8:14 AM, HernÃ¡n Morales Durand wrote: >>> >>> First let me apologize for asking without properly evaluating first. I >>> took some time and read about Nautilus which it seems a very nice work. >>> I've developed a phylogenetics classifier using OmniBrowser, but I wondered >>> if Nautilus could save me some effort, and I'm planning to test Pharo 1.4 >>> or 2.0 in some future in which AFAIK OmniBrowser will not be supported >>> anymore. >>> >>> - Some time ago I've modified the OmniBrowser framework to browse >>> anything I wanted in the "code pane" (the lower pane typically used for >>> displaying/editing code), as we had a complex OODB it was very useful, see >>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VxUaOFRHFPk for a demo. However it was >>> not easy to understand the OB internals and make the modifications. Have >>> you tried to implement such feature in Nautilus? >>> - There is documentation for developing browsers with Nautilus? >>> Something which explains the basic architecture, how it differs from OB? >>> for example: >>> --Do you have to define a metagraph? >>> --May I have multiple definition panels? >>> -Do you have a mapping for each node type (class?) with each column? >>> -OB is not cross-UI (it depends on Morphic). Can I use a Nautilus >>> browser within a web browser? >>> - Another thing which is really easy is to define Commands in OB, >>> (although the #isActive logic could become a mess without some care). How >>> it is different in Nautilus? >>> >>> I'm sure I would rewrite my browsers with Nautilus, my key question is >>> how much of the OB knowledge I can re-use? >>> >>> Cheers, >>> >>> HernÃ¡n >>> >>> -- >>> HernÃ¡n Morales >>> Institute of Veterinary Genetics. >>> National Scientific and Technical Research Council (CONICET). >>> La Plata (1900), Buenos Aires, Argentina. >>> Telephone: +54 (0221) 421-1799. >>> Internal: 422 >>> Fax: 425-7980 or 421-1799. >>> >>> >>> >>

June 24, 2012

FileSystemWriteStream>>next??

by Bernardo Ezequiel Contreras

Hi all, Anybody knows why the FileSystemWriteStream doesn't implement the message next? Thanks. -- Bernardo E.C.

June 23, 2012

Re: [Pharo-users] Evaluating Nautilus

by Benjamin

You can found some doc here: http://rmod.lille.inria.fr/web/pier/software/Tools-Improvement/NautilusDocu… For Pharo 1.4, I try to maintain it a bit, but my focus is on the integration of Nautilus in Pharo 2.0 Ben On Jun 23, 2012, at 4:32 PM, HernÃ¡n Morales Durand wrote: > For Nautilus I've read a review blog post at http://marianopeck.wordpress.com/2012/02/26/nautilus-the-reborn-of-the-syst… but I didn't found anything else, maybe I'm missing something? > > I've installed Nautilus with the following script in a clean Pharo 1.4 core > Gofer it > url: 'http://ss3.gemstone.com/ss/Nautilus'; > package: 'ConfigurationOfNautilus'; > load. > > (Smalltalk at: #ConfigurationOfNautilus) perform: #loadRelease > but after some random clicks I've received a SubscriptOutOfBounds exception. I've attached the stack from the debugger and a screenshot. > > HernÃ¡n > > 2012/6/23 Benjamin <benjamin.vanryseghem.pharo(a)gmail.com> > What have you read already ? > > Ben > > On Jun 23, 2012, at 7:18 AM, HernÃ¡n Morales Durand wrote: > >> Hello Benjamin, >> >> 2012/6/22 Benjamin <benjamin.vanryseghem.pharo(a)gmail.com> >> Hello :) >> >> This is a nice challenge :) >> Firstly, you have to know that the model behind Nautilus is really different that the one behind OB. Let's say nothing in common. >> On the other hand, the code pane modification can be made within an hour (maybe two if you are not confident with morphic, but it doesn't seems to be the case) using the plugin mecanism (Johan Fabry can testify ^^). >> >> Ok, let us know when more Nautilus documentation is available. >> >> Then, Nautilus is not cross platform, but we have developed Spec with the goal to use it for Nautilus, and Spec is(will be ^^) cross platform. So one day, Nautilus will be cross platform. Sadly, I will not be soon (I have to rewrite the whole ui). >> >> >> thanks for the clarification and status update >> >> >> About the command definition, I am not an OB expert, but I think that Command are used for menu entries. >> In Nautilus the menus definition are based on pragma, so any class can extend Nautilus menus. >> >> >> Yes, commands in OB are used to define menu entries and their behavior. >> >> >> In a nutshell, what I have seen in the video is doable in roughly a couple of hours :) >> If you decide to give a try to Nautilus, let me know, and I will be glad to help/answer question/provide pieces of code etc :) >> >> >> Thanks for your reply, I will be in touch. >> >> HernÃ¡n >> >> >> Ben >> >> >> On Jun 22, 2012, at 8:14 AM, HernÃ¡n Morales Durand wrote: >> >>> First let me apologize for asking without properly evaluating first. I took some time and read about Nautilus which it seems a very nice work. I've developed a phylogenetics classifier using OmniBrowser, but I wondered if Nautilus could save me some effort, and I'm planning to test Pharo 1.4 or 2.0 in some future in which AFAIK OmniBrowser will not be supported anymore. >>> >>> - Some time ago I've modified the OmniBrowser framework to browse anything I wanted in the "code pane" (the lower pane typically used for displaying/editing code), as we had a complex OODB it was very useful, see http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VxUaOFRHFPk for a demo. However it was not easy to understand the OB internals and make the modifications. Have you tried to implement such feature in Nautilus? >>> - There is documentation for developing browsers with Nautilus? Something which explains the basic architecture, how it differs from OB? for example: >>> --Do you have to define a metagraph? >>> --May I have multiple definition panels? >>> -Do you have a mapping for each node type (class?) with each column? >>> -OB is not cross-UI (it depends on Morphic). Can I use a Nautilus browser within a web browser? >>> - Another thing which is really easy is to define Commands in OB, (although the #isActive logic could become a mess without some care). How it is different in Nautilus? >>> >>> I'm sure I would rewrite my browsers with Nautilus, my key question is how much of the OB knowledge I can re-use? >>> >>> Cheers, >>> >>> HernÃ¡n >>> >>> -- >>> HernÃ¡n Morales >>> Institute of Veterinary Genetics. >>> National Scientific and Technical Research Council (CONICET). >>> La Plata (1900), Buenos Aires, Argentina. >>> Telephone: +54 (0221) 421-1799. >>> Internal: 422 >>> Fax: 425-7980 or 421-1799. >>> >> > > > > > -- > HernÃ¡n Morales > Institute of Veterinary Genetics. > National Scientific and Technical Research Council (CONICET). > La Plata (1900), Buenos Aires, Argentina. > Telephone: +54 (0221) 421-1799. > Internal: 422 > Fax: 425-7980 or 421-1799. > > <NB-Test1.txt><NB-1.jpg>

June 23, 2012

Re: [Pharo-users] Evaluating Nautilus

by Sean P. DeNigris

HernÃ¡n Morales Durand wrote > > I've installed Nautilus with the following script in a clean Pharo 1.4 > core > I've been using the Nautilus 1.4 build on Jenkins... works pretty well - S -- View this message in context: http://forum.world.st/Evaluating-Nautilus-tp4636056p4636280.html Sent from the Pharo Smalltalk Users mailing list archive at Nabble.com.

June 23, 2012

Re: [Pharo-users] Versionner a GUI for metacello

by Sean P. DeNigris

Juan Pablo Sandoval wrote > > Now you can use the > following instructions to load Versionner without loading the full > Glamour. > Cool! Thanks, your work is really important. Don't forget to update http://users.dcc.uchile.cl/~jsandova/versionner/install.html -- View this message in context: http://forum.world.st/Versionner-a-GUI-for-metacello-tp4607220p4636279.html Sent from the Pharo Smalltalk Users mailing list archive at Nabble.com.

June 23, 2012