April 2012 - Pharo-users - lists.pharo.org

Re: [Pharo-users] setting up nautilus on 1.4

by Benjamin

You can either download a new image from Jenkins (my choice if there is more than 3-4 version to load) or you can click on World -> System -> Software update (and take a coffee break ^^) Ben On Apr 23, 2012, at 4:42 PM, Johann Hibschman wrote: > On Mon, Apr 23, 2012 at 8:35 AM, Benjamin > <benjamin.vanryseghem.pharo(a)gmail.com> wrote: >> >> Welcome :) I hope you will have fun here with us ^^ > > Well, so far I'm having fun. It's a nice break from the daily grind. > >> It used to be a bug. But it also seems it reappears :) >> I have open a bug >> entry: http://code.google.com/p/pharo/issues/detail?id=5666 >> And proposed a fix :) > > Thanks, that was quick. For now, I can try to get used to the > two-finger-click, or just move from the couch to the table where I can > plug in my mouse. The two-finger click isn't bad, but I'm not > accustomed to it, and it came as a surprise, since I'd been > cmd-clicking everything else in Pharo. (Also, it sounds like a > euphemism for some rude gesture.) > > From a practical point of view, if there is a change, would it appear > in the main Pharo development image, or somewhere else? I'm a little > uncertain what the right way to stay up-to-date is. So far, I've only > used Monticello as a local RCS for my own code, but presumably that's > where I should be pulling in updates to other packages. > > Regards, > Johann >

April 23, 2012

Re: [Pharo-users] setting up nautilus on 1.4

by Johann Hibschman

On Mon, Apr 23, 2012 at 8:35 AM, Benjamin <benjamin.vanryseghem.pharo(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > Welcome :) I hope you will have fun here with us ^^ Well, so far I'm having fun. It's a nice break from the daily grind. > It used to be a bug. But it also seems it reappears :) > I have open a bug > entry:Â http://code.google.com/p/pharo/issues/detail?id=5666 > And proposed a fix :) Thanks, that was quick. For now, I can try to get used to the two-finger-click, or just move from the couch to the table where I can plug in my mouse. The two-finger click isn't bad, but I'm not accustomed to it, and it came as a surprise, since I'd been cmd-clicking everything else in Pharo. (Also, it sounds like a euphemism for some rude gesture.) >From a practical point of view, if there is a change, would it appear in the main Pharo development image, or somewhere else? I'm a little uncertain what the right way to stay up-to-date is. So far, I've only used Monticello as a local RCS for my own code, but presumably that's where I should be pulling in updates to other packages. Regards, Johann

April 23, 2012

Re: [Pharo-users] setting up nautilus on 1.4

by StÃ©phane Ducasse

On Apr 23, 2012, at 3:07 PM, Johann Hibschman wrote: > Hi all, > > I just joined this list for real, although I've been following the RSS > feed for a month now. In short, I'm a rank amateur. Welcome :) > I just tried upgrading to Pharo 1.4. As has been discussed, the > default browser doesn't have any refactoring support, so I tried to > install Nautilus, following Mariano Peck's blog post of 2012-02-26. > (This was actually my first use of Gofer.) You can also download nautilus image from the jenkins server. Now I do not know if there is a version for 1.4 > > It seems to work, but I can't bring up the browser menu with > Command-click any more. Did the standard "action click" change > somewhere, or is this just an idiosyncrasy of Nautilus? I do most of > my work with a MacBook, so I only have one mouse button. If I do the > "two finger click", I can can bring up the menu, but that's awkward. > Is there a setting somewhere that I can use to bring back > command-click? Control-click is the more standard modified-click on > the Mac, but that seems to be used by some morphic menu. > > Basically, since I'm pretty new, I don't know whether this change in > behavior is expected or whether it's due to a mistake of my own. Is > there a Nautilus list I could ask this on? Is there a different > browser that I should try? (I just want method renaming, no "fancy" > refactorings.) > > Regards, > > Johann >

April 23, 2012

Re: [Pharo-users] setting up nautilus on 1.4

by Benjamin

On Apr 23, 2012, at 3:07 PM, Johann Hibschman wrote: > Hi all, > > I just joined this list for real, although I've been following the RSS > feed for a month now. In short, I'm a rank amateur. Welcome :) I hope you will have fun here with us ^^ > I just tried upgrading to Pharo 1.4. As has been discussed, the > default browser doesn't have any refactoring support, so I tried to > install Nautilus, following Mariano Peck's blog post of 2012-02-26. > (This was actually my first use of Gofer.) > > It seems to work, but I can't bring up the browser menu with > Command-click any more. Did the standard "action click" change > somewhere, or is this just an idiosyncrasy of Nautilus? I do most of > my work with a MacBook, so I only have one mouse button. If I do the > "two finger click", I can can bring up the menu, but that's awkward. > Is there a setting somewhere that I can use to bring back > command-click? Control-click is the more standard modified-click on > the Mac, but that seems to be used by some morphic menu. It used to be a bug. But it also seems it reappears :) I have open a bug entry: http://code.google.com/p/pharo/issues/detail?id=5666 And proposed a fix :) > Basically, since I'm pretty new, I don't know whether this change in > behavior is expected or whether it's due to a mistake of my own. Is > there a Nautilus list I could ask this on? Is there a different > browser that I should try? (I just want method renaming, no "fancy" > refactorings.) It comes form the list widget itself, not Nautilus :) Thanks for your feedback, Ben > > Regards, > > Johann >

April 23, 2012

Re: [Pharo-users] setting up nautilus on 1.4

by Sven Van Caekenberghe

Hello Johan, Welcome ! I hope you'll enjoy Pharo as much as we do. On 23 Apr 2012, at 15:07, Johann Hibschman wrote: > Hi all, > > I just joined this list for real, although I've been following the RSS > feed for a month now. In short, I'm a rank amateur. > > I just tried upgrading to Pharo 1.4. As has been discussed, the > default browser doesn't have any refactoring support, so I tried to > install Nautilus, following Mariano Peck's blog post of 2012-02-26. > (This was actually my first use of Gofer.) > > It seems to work, but I can't bring up the browser menu with > Command-click any more. Did the standard "action click" change > somewhere, or is this just an idiosyncrasy of Nautilus? I do most of > my work with a MacBook, so I only have one mouse button. If I do the > "two finger click", I can can bring up the menu, but that's awkward. > Is there a setting somewhere that I can use to bring back > command-click? Control-click is the more standard modified-click on > the Mac, but that seems to be used by some morphic menu. > > Basically, since I'm pretty new, I don't know whether this change in > behavior is expected or whether it's due to a mistake of my own. Is > there a Nautilus list I could ask this on? Is there a different > browser that I should try? (I just want method renaming, no "fancy" > refactorings.) > > Regards, > > Johann Yes, you are right: In Nautilus' Browser, control-click brings up a Morph related menu, as everywhere else in Pharo 1.4. In the browser's top lists, command-click does not seem to work. In the browser's code pane, command-click works if you are not on a method name or class, because then you open a new browser on that symbol. I personally like the two-finger click on the trackpad for menus. I cc'ed the dev list (which has more traffic), so Benjamin (Nautilus' author) can comment. Regards, Sven -- Sven Van Caekenberghe http://stfx.eu Smalltalk is the Red Pill

April 23, 2012

setting up nautilus on 1.4

by Johann Hibschman

Hi all, I just joined this list for real, although I've been following the RSS feed for a month now. In short, I'm a rank amateur. I just tried upgrading to Pharo 1.4. As has been discussed, the default browser doesn't have any refactoring support, so I tried to install Nautilus, following Mariano Peck's blog post of 2012-02-26. (This was actually my first use of Gofer.) It seems to work, but I can't bring up the browser menu with Command-click any more. Did the standard "action click" change somewhere, or is this just an idiosyncrasy of Nautilus? I do most of my work with a MacBook, so I only have one mouse button. If I do the "two finger click", I can can bring up the menu, but that's awkward. Is there a setting somewhere that I can use to bring back command-click? Control-click is the more standard modified-click on the Mac, but that seems to be used by some morphic menu. Basically, since I'm pretty new, I don't know whether this change in behavior is expected or whether it's due to a mistake of my own. Is there a Nautilus list I could ask this on? Is there a different browser that I should try? (I just want method renaming, no "fancy" refactorings.) Regards, Johann

April 23, 2012

Re: [Pharo-users] Final 1.4 images...

by Bernat Romagosa

Thanks Benjamin! I've just submitted the bug and a pointer to where you can find the code that did the formatting in OB. Here's the issue: http://code.google.com/p/pharo/issues/detail?id=5664&thanks=5664 Cheers! 2012/4/20 Benjamin <benjamin.vanryseghem.pharo(a)gmail.com> > I try hard to read mails :) > (and I have a magic rule which colorize mails with Nautilus in the body of > the mail ^^) > > For the format, I could add it ^^ > > Open a bug entry, it's better than just mails ^^ > > Thanks for your feedback, > > Ben > > On Apr 20, 2012, at 6:54 PM, Mariano Martinez Peck wrote: > > > > On Fri, Apr 20, 2012 at 6:50 PM, Bernat Romagosa < > tibabenfortlapalanca(a)gmail.com> wrote: > >> Thanks Mariano, >> >> I tried installing OmniBrowser but I couldn't manage to get autocomplete >> working. Now I just installed Nautilus and it works great, I'm only missing >> the "format" shortcut... anyone know if it's possible to get this feature >> in Nautilus? >> > > Whatever you need ask Benjamin Van Ryseghem ;) You have nothing to loose. > BUT, do not expect him to read all emails. So..start a clear email with a > clear subject like "format code in Nautilus" or directly open an issue and > cc' him. > Just in case, I wrote something about Nautilus: > http://marianopeck.wordpress.com/2012/02/26/nautilus-the-reborn-of-the-syst… > It is a little bit outdated but you will get an idea. > > Cheers > > >> >> Cheers! >> >> 2012/4/20 Mariano Martinez Peck <marianopeck(a)gmail.com> >> >>> >>> >>> On Fri, Apr 20, 2012 at 12:03 PM, Bernat Romagosa < >>> tibabenfortlapalanca(a)gmail.com> wrote: >>> >>>> One more thing, how does one rename a method? Was this option removed >>>> from the browser? >>>> >>>> >>> The problem is that the image you are using comes by default with a >>> limited system browser. It does not know anything about refactorings. >>> To have a really development image, install Nautilus on it. Imagine you >>> are using like the previous PharoCore + code completion + shout >>> >>> >>> >>>> >>>> 2012/4/20 Bernat Romagosa <tibabenfortlapalanca(a)gmail.com> >>>> >>>>> Congratulations, Pharo 1.4 looks really neat and so far very usable! >>>>> >>>>> Just one thing, what happened to the format shortcut (control+r)? I >>>>> use it all the time, like three times per method I write... is it possible >>>>> to get it back? :) >>>>> >>>>> Cheers, >>>>> >>>>> Bernat. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> 2012/4/19 Marcus Denker <marcus.denker(a)inria.fr> >>>>> >>>>>> We added more infos in the worspace: >>>>>> >>>>>> https://gforge.inria.fr/frs/download.php/30620/Pharo-1.4-14438.zip >>>>>> >>>>>> https://gforge.inria.fr/frs/download.php/30621/Pharo-1.4-14438-OneClick.zip >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On Apr 18, 2012, at 2:39 PM, Marcus Denker wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> > Hi, >>>>>> > >>>>>> > final images: >>>>>> > >>>>>> > One-Click: >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> https://gforge.inria.fr/frs/download.php/30615/Pharo-1.4-14437-OneClick.zip >>>>>> > >>>>>> > Just image: >>>>>> > >>>>>> https://gforge.inria.fr/frs/download.php/30613/Pharo-1.4-14437.zip >>>>>> > >>>>>> > already linked on >>>>>> > >>>>>> > http://www.pharo-project.org/pharo-download/release-1-4 >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > -- >>>>>> > Marcus Denker -- http://marcusdenker.de >>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>>>> -- >>>>>> Marcus Denker -- http://marcusdenker.de >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> Bernat Romagosa. >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> Bernat Romagosa. >>>> >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Mariano >>> http://marianopeck.wordpress.com >>> >>> >> >> >> -- >> Bernat Romagosa. >> > > > > -- > Mariano > http://marianopeck.wordpress.com > > > -- Bernat Romagosa.

April 23, 2012

Re: [Pharo-users] truly basic terminal emulation

by Camillo Bruni

On 2012-04-22, at 22:00, Daniel Lyons wrote: > Cami, > > On Apr 22, 2012, at 1:32 PM, Camillo Bruni wrote: > >>> It doesn't seem to recognize Pragmata Pro or any other font name I put in, I always get the default font I set in my preferences (which is a system font and works fine). I see there's a FixedFaceFont class, but it looks like a completely different sort of thing. >> >> indeed maybe a workspace will do just fine then :), sadly I'm not that much into morphic hence my partial approach here (that's why I personally find it far easier to directly use the terminal)... > > Yes, it probably would be, but I think the Smalltalk environment contains great power, I just need to learn enough to harness it, and that means baby steps. well smalltalk spent too much time in the image, it kind of blinds you after some years :). plus by using the terminal you don't leave the environment at all, since you still control everything from within the image. >> - check that you have freetype enabled in your settings (otherwise system fonts won't be recognized) > > It is, and it works great, I'm using a system font everywhere else. I take it the invocation I used was not incorrect then? > >> - as a pragmatic solution I'd change the coding font globally to fixed-width (default in my images since I cannot program in a non mono-spaced font :P) > > I can live with that for a while. > >> "open a new workspace " >> ws := Workspace openContents: 'Initial Contents' >> " update the contents of the workspace" >> ws contents: 'new Contents' > > OK, I can do that for writing, but for reading, I will need the read message to block until I type a character. Is there a way to do that with the workspace? I guess there is a nicer way to plug things together, but I'd say keep an external text / String / readline and update the contents of the workspace each time they changed... I suggest you read the corresponding chapters in http://pharobyexample.org/ that should help you with most of the UI questions >>> I also don't see how to get started with your Readline implementation. I'm sure I'd like to use it eventually but I want to get something basic working that I can understand first. >> >> for the readline stuff check the test (that's generally the best place to see how code works ;) >> see class: RLReadlineTest >> >> a small example is given in RLReadline >> #readlineExample >> >> the basic principle is that you move around a cursor and put characters / strings there: >> >> RLReadline >> #write: >> RLReadline >> #writeAll: >> >> I know the readline implementation is quite complex for what it does, but you shouldn't bother too much and simply rely on the public interface and the example use-cases provided by the tests. > > > Thanks, I'll dig through that later tonight. > > â > Daniel Lyons > >

April 22, 2012

Re: [Pharo-users] truly basic terminal emulation

by Daniel Lyons

On Apr 22, 2012, at 9:53 AM, Daniel Lyons wrote: > font := TextFontReference toFont: (StrikeFont familyName: 'Pragmata Pro' size: 16). OK, this works if I use LogicalFont instead: textArea := TextMorph new contents: ('This is a test' asText addAttribute: (TextFontReference toFont: (LogicalFont familyName: 'Consolas' pointSize: 14))) I bet there is a more abstract way of locating a font than using one of these two classes. â Daniel Lyons

April 22, 2012

Re: [Pharo-users] truly basic terminal emulation

by Daniel Lyons

Cami, On Apr 22, 2012, at 1:32 PM, Camillo Bruni wrote: >> It doesn't seem to recognize Pragmata Pro or any other font name I put in, I always get the default font I set in my preferences (which is a system font and works fine). I see there's a FixedFaceFont class, but it looks like a completely different sort of thing. > > indeed maybe a workspace will do just fine then :), sadly I'm not that much into morphic hence my partial approach here (that's why I personally find it far easier to directly use the terminal)... Yes, it probably would be, but I think the Smalltalk environment contains great power, I just need to learn enough to harness it, and that means baby steps. > - check that you have freetype enabled in your settings (otherwise system fonts won't be recognized) It is, and it works great, I'm using a system font everywhere else. I take it the invocation I used was not incorrect then? > - as a pragmatic solution I'd change the coding font globally to fixed-width (default in my images since I cannot program in a non mono-spaced font :P) I can live with that for a while. > "open a new workspace " > ws := Workspace openContents: 'Initial Contents' > " update the contents of the workspace" > ws contents: 'new Contents' OK, I can do that for writing, but for reading, I will need the read message to block until I type a character. Is there a way to do that with the workspace? >> I also don't see how to get started with your Readline implementation. I'm sure I'd like to use it eventually but I want to get something basic working that I can understand first. > > for the readline stuff check the test (that's generally the best place to see how code works ;) > see class: RLReadlineTest > > a small example is given in RLReadline >> #readlineExample > > the basic principle is that you move around a cursor and put characters / strings there: > > RLReadline >> #write: > RLReadline >> #writeAll: > > I know the readline implementation is quite complex for what it does, but you shouldn't bother too much and simply rely on the public interface and the example use-cases provided by the tests. Thanks, I'll dig through that later tonight. â Daniel Lyons

April 22, 2012