February 2012 - Pharo-users

Re: [Pharo-users] Sounds / Silence

by StÃ©phane Ducasse

On Feb 22, 2012, at 12:21 AM, Vincent Lesbros wrote: > I think a little bit strange to run an image from a system with the VM > of another one. well you do not know really the full history. So the pharo images are working on the squeakVM. Now may be there is a problem with the 64bit support. > What waranty for futur evolutions (of one or the other system) ? DNU: Now if you mean that you would love us to have 5 engineers to build our own VM! why not? Tell me where I should sign. > If the sound doen't work because of a "pluggin" prehaps it would be > better to change that plugging. The problem may not be the plugin code but its compiled version. Now if you want to give us a chance to fix your problem provide a list of link and steps so that we can try to reproduce the problem because may be the error is coming from a different setup. And yes we will brand our VM and make sure that the code works. Now we can automatically build all the vm on their respective OS at each commit of code :) Stef > > > 2012/2/21 Igor Stasenko <siguctua(a)gmail.com>: >> On 21 February 2012 17:29, Vincent Lesbros <lesbros(a)gmail.com> wrote: >>> I use : Pharo-1.3-13315-OneClick.app >>> (the last stable one) >>> and Squeak 4.2 >>> >> hmm it should work fine. >> i'm out of ideas, why it doesn't like the image :( >> >>> 2012/2/21 Igor Stasenko <siguctua(a)gmail.com>: >>>> looks like the VM you using quite old and cannot read a new image >>>> format, which pharo using. >>>> >>>> On 21 February 2012 11:42, Vincent Lesbros <lesbros(a)gmail.com> wrote: >>>>> Sorry, >>>>> >>>>> I did remove the line in the ini file. >>>>> ImageFile="Contents\Resources\Squeak4.2-10966.image" >>>>> >>>>> Squeak doesn't accept to start on pharo.image. >>>>> Ii open a file dialog box to select an image file, I select the pharo >>>>> image, but... Squeak stops, indicating that there are several ways to >>>>> open an image file... etc.. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> 2012/2/20 Igor Stasenko <siguctua(a)gmail.com>: >>>>>> On 20 February 2012 18:52, Vincent Lesbros <lesbros(a)gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>> How can I do that ? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I did copy the pharo.image (and pharo.change) in the >>>>>>> C:\Tools\Squeak-4.2-All-in-One\Squeak 4.2 >>>>>>> All-in-One.app\Contents\Resources >>>>>>> of Squeak, and try to launch the image with Squeak.exe, but squeak >>>>>>> still opens it's Squeak4.2-10966.image. >>>>>>> >>>>>> go to .ini file and delete the line which hard wires vm with only one image. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>> Hum. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> 2012/2/20 StÃ©phane Ducasse <stephane.ducasse(a)inria.fr>: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Hi Stef, >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Answers are in previous message : >>>>>>>>> > I use : Pharo-1.3-13315-OneClick.app >>>>>>>>> (I donwload the last stable version 1.3 one click from http://www.pharo-project.org/pharo-download ) >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> My environnemt is windows 7 64bits, >>>>>>>>> for information, I try Squeak 4.2 and the Sound package works on my box. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> So can you try the pharo image on the squeak vm because this is probably a problem with a plugin. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Stef >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> -- >>>>>> Best regards, >>>>>> Igor Stasenko. >>>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> Best regards, >>>> Igor Stasenko. >>>> >>> >> >> >> >> -- >> Best regards, >> Igor Stasenko. >> >

Feb. 22, 2012

Re: [Pharo-users] Sounds / Silence

by Vincent Lesbros

I think a little bit strange to run an image from a system with the VM of another one. What waranty for futur evolutions (of one or the other system) ? If the sound doen't work because of a "pluggin" prehaps it would be better to change that pluggin. 2012/2/21 Igor Stasenko <siguctua(a)gmail.com>: > On 21 February 2012 17:29, Vincent Lesbros <lesbros(a)gmail.com> wrote: >> I use : Pharo-1.3-13315-OneClick.app >> (the last stable one) >> and Squeak 4.2 >> > hmm it should work fine. > i'm out of ideas, why it doesn't like the image :( > >> 2012/2/21 Igor Stasenko <siguctua(a)gmail.com>: >>> looks like the VM you using quite old and cannot read a new image >>> format, which pharo using. >>> >>> On 21 February 2012 11:42, Vincent Lesbros <lesbros(a)gmail.com> wrote: >>>> Sorry, >>>> >>>> I did remove the line in the ini file. >>>> ImageFile="Contents\Resources\Squeak4.2-10966.image" >>>> >>>> Squeak doesn't accept to start on pharo.image. >>>> Ii open a file dialog box to select an image file, I select the pharo >>>> image, but... Squeak stops, indicating that there are several ways to >>>> open an image file... etc.. >>>> >>>> >>>> 2012/2/20 Igor Stasenko <siguctua(a)gmail.com>: >>>>> On 20 February 2012 18:52, Vincent Lesbros <lesbros(a)gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>> How can I do that ? >>>>>> >>>>>> I did copy the pharo.image (and pharo.change) in the >>>>>> C:\Tools\Squeak-4.2-All-in-One\Squeak 4.2 >>>>>> All-in-One.app\Contents\Resources >>>>>> Â of Squeak, and try to launch the image with Squeak.exe, but squeak >>>>>> still opens it's Squeak4.2-10966.image. >>>>>> >>>>> go to .ini file and delete the line which hard wires vm with only one image. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> Hum. >>>>>> >>>>>> 2012/2/20 StÃ©phane Ducasse <stephane.ducasse(a)inria.fr>: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Hi Stef, >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Answers are in previous message : >>>>>>>> Â > I use : Pharo-1.3-13315-OneClick.app >>>>>>>> (I donwload the last stable version 1.3 one click from http://www.pharo-project.org/pharo-download ) >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> My environnemt is windows 7 64bits, >>>>>>>> for information, I try Squeak 4.2 and the Sound package works on my box. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> So can you try the pharo image on the squeak vm because this is probably a problem with a plugin. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Stef >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> Best regards, >>>>> Igor Stasenko. >>>>> >>>> >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Best regards, >>> Igor Stasenko. >>> >> > > > > -- > Best regards, > Igor Stasenko. >

Feb. 21, 2012

Re: [Pharo-users] Sounds / Silence

by Igor Stasenko

On 21 February 2012 17:29, Vincent Lesbros <lesbros(a)gmail.com> wrote: > I use : Pharo-1.3-13315-OneClick.app > (the last stable one) > and Squeak 4.2 > hmm it should work fine. i'm out of ideas, why it doesn't like the image :( > 2012/2/21 Igor Stasenko <siguctua(a)gmail.com>: >> looks like the VM you using quite old and cannot read a new image >> format, which pharo using. >> >> On 21 February 2012 11:42, Vincent Lesbros <lesbros(a)gmail.com> wrote: >>> Sorry, >>> >>> I did remove the line in the ini file. >>> ImageFile="Contents\Resources\Squeak4.2-10966.image" >>> >>> Squeak doesn't accept to start on pharo.image. >>> Ii open a file dialog box to select an image file, I select the pharo >>> image, but... Squeak stops, indicating that there are several ways to >>> open an image file... etc.. >>> >>> >>> 2012/2/20 Igor Stasenko <siguctua(a)gmail.com>: >>>> On 20 February 2012 18:52, Vincent Lesbros <lesbros(a)gmail.com> wrote: >>>>> How can I do that ? >>>>> >>>>> I did copy the pharo.image (and pharo.change) in the >>>>> C:\Tools\Squeak-4.2-All-in-One\Squeak 4.2 >>>>> All-in-One.app\Contents\Resources >>>>> Â of Squeak, and try to launch the image with Squeak.exe, but squeak >>>>> still opens it's Squeak4.2-10966.image. >>>>> >>>> go to .ini file and delete the line which hard wires vm with only one image. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> Hum. >>>>> >>>>> 2012/2/20 StÃ©phane Ducasse <stephane.ducasse(a)inria.fr>: >>>>>> >>>>>>> Hi Stef, >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Answers are in previous message : >>>>>>> Â > I use : Pharo-1.3-13315-OneClick.app >>>>>>> (I donwload the last stable version 1.3 one click from http://www.pharo-project.org/pharo-download ) >>>>>>> >>>>>>> My environnemt is windows 7 64bits, >>>>>>> for information, I try Squeak 4.2 and the Sound package works on my box. >>>>>> >>>>>> So can you try the pharo image on the squeak vm because this is probably a problem with a plugin. >>>>>> >>>>>> Stef >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> Best regards, >>>> Igor Stasenko. >>>> >>> >> >> >> >> -- >> Best regards, >> Igor Stasenko. >> > -- Best regards, Igor Stasenko.

Feb. 21, 2012

Fwd: pharo & arduino

by StÃ©phane Ducasse

since this will interest some of you :) Begin forwarded message: > From: Ricardo Moran <richi.moran(a)gmail.com> > Subject: Re: [Pharo-users] pharo & arduino > Date: February 21, 2012 6:33:28 PM GMT+01:00 > To: GÃ©rard Duteil <linedubeth(a)free.fr> > Cc: StÃ©phane Ducasse <stephane.ducasse(a)inria.fr> > > > On Mon, Feb 20, 2012 at 8:28 PM, GÃ©rard Duteil <linedubeth(a)free.fr> wrote: > Bonsoir Ã tous, > > Je ne savais que l'on pouvais faire tourner les physical etoys dans pharo, j'utilisais Squeak > > > Plus gÃ©nÃ©ralement je cherche des liens sur les pic, les microcontroleurs et une interface graphique en glisser deposer qui me permette de dialoguer avec de l'Ã©lectronique sous linux. Sous win j'ai des outils mais je prefere l'utilisation de gnu/linux > > je suis tombÃ© sur un lien ancien smalltalk/pic mais j'aimerais bien trouver un projet plus rÃ©cent et maintenu. > > Je vais donc essayer le lien merci > > et je viens de retomber sur le lien qui m'a fait redÃ©couvrir les etoys > > Merci > Au plaisir de vous lire > > Hello, > > Hi GÃ©rard, > > I don't know that physical etoys runs in pharo. I use Squeak and install pe in ubuntu. > > Well, the "Etoys" part of Physical Etoys doesn't run on Pharo, but all the core classes should work fine. I don't know exactly what you need so let me tell you what we did: > We made a very simple model that lets you communicate with your Arduino using a firmware like Firmata, or a simple firmware made by us (see the class comment of the class Arduino for code examples). We also made a very rudimentary C code generator to translate Smalltalk into C and we linked it to the avr-gcc/avrdude so now we can program the Arduino board without leaving Smalltalk, which is very cool. Unfortunately, the translator is still very limited (I think even more limited than Slang) but we are using it to translate the etoys scripts and it's good enough for our purposes. > > > I search more links about pic, electronics and gui with drag and drop to program this electronic's component for kids. I prefer use gnu/linux. > > If you're interested in a graphical interface for kids maybe you'll be better working with the Physical Etoys version instead of using the sources with Pharo. FWIW, making a graphical interface shouldn't be difficult at all but the Etoys interface is being used with kids and it's quite good IMHO. > > > But i don't know your project i use your link > sorry http://tecnodacta.com.ar/gira/projects/physical-etoys/ is my last tool > > > You'll find there the latest version of Physical Etoys, we are soon to release a new version with a lot of improvements. So stay tuned! :) > > > tanks too much for your proposition. sorry i don't speak spanish language but if necessary i transfert your message. > > > I have found a commercial tool s4a. Do you know this? > > Yes, in fact I had the luck to meet its creators in person during the ESUG 2010 conference. S4A is a great tool, and the Scratch interface is very nice. You should definitely give it atry. > > > i have download this http://seaside.citilab.eu/S4ADev.zip > > but i'm a beginner. > > i'm interresting by pharo because it's le lastest program developping, isn'it? > > I'm not sure what that means. We usually don't use Pharo to develop Physical Etoys because, you know, Etoys doesn't run in Pharo. However, I would like to ensure at least some of our project works in Pharo. If I can, I'll test it this week and maybe I'll write a ConfigurationOfArduino. Would that help? > > Cheers, > Richo > > > > thanks a lot > > > > > Le 20/02/2012 09:16, StÃ©phane Ducasse a Ã©crit : > thanks for you answer > I hope that you are going well. > > Stef > > On Feb 20, 2012, at 12:15 AM, Ricardo Moran wrote: > > Hi Stef, > > You can look at the Arduino repository at squeaksource (http://www.squeaksource.com/Arduino.html) > Everything but the "Arduino-Etoys*" packages should work fine in Pharo. At least they worked the last time I checked but a lot has changed since then, so let me know if you encounter any problem, I'll be happy to help. > > Cheers, > Richo > > On Sat, Feb 18, 2012 at 6:15 PM, StÃ©phane Ducasse<stephane.ducasse(a)inria.fr> wrote: > Hi ricardo > > do you have some information how to connect pharo to arduino? > Thanks in advance. > > Stef > > Begin forwarded message: > > From: GÃ©rard Duteil<linedubeth(a)free.fr> > Subject: [Pharo-users] pharo& arduino > > Date: February 18, 2012 9:42:02 AM GMT+01:00 > To: pharo-users(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > Reply-To: A friendly place where any question about pharo is welcome<pharo-users(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr> > > Hello,,,I search info about this subject., > ,I'm interesting by picaxe also,,,, > A beginner in object programmation,,, > I wait the 25th may,,, > Thanks in advance. > > > > > >

Feb. 21, 2012

Re: [Pharo-users] Sounds / Silence

by Vincent Lesbros

I use : Pharo-1.3-13315-OneClick.app (the last stable one) and Squeak 4.2 2012/2/21 Igor Stasenko <siguctua(a)gmail.com>: > looks like the VM you using quite old and cannot read a new image > format, which pharo using. > > On 21 February 2012 11:42, Vincent Lesbros <lesbros(a)gmail.com> wrote: >> Sorry, >> >> I did remove the line in the ini file. >> ImageFile="Contents\Resources\Squeak4.2-10966.image" >> >> Squeak doesn't accept to start on pharo.image. >> Ii open a file dialog box to select an image file, I select the pharo >> image, but... Squeak stops, indicating that there are several ways to >> open an image file... etc.. >> >> >> 2012/2/20 Igor Stasenko <siguctua(a)gmail.com>: >>> On 20 February 2012 18:52, Vincent Lesbros <lesbros(a)gmail.com> wrote: >>>> How can I do that ? >>>> >>>> I did copy the pharo.image (and pharo.change) in the >>>> C:\Tools\Squeak-4.2-All-in-One\Squeak 4.2 >>>> All-in-One.app\Contents\Resources >>>> Â of Squeak, and try to launch the image with Squeak.exe, but squeak >>>> still opens it's Squeak4.2-10966.image. >>>> >>> go to .ini file and delete the line which hard wires vm with only one image. >>> >>> >>> >>>> Hum. >>>> >>>> 2012/2/20 StÃ©phane Ducasse <stephane.ducasse(a)inria.fr>: >>>>> >>>>>> Hi Stef, >>>>>> >>>>>> Answers are in previous message : >>>>>> Â > I use : Pharo-1.3-13315-OneClick.app >>>>>> (I donwload the last stable version 1.3 one click from http://www.pharo-project.org/pharo-download ) >>>>>> >>>>>> My environnemt is windows 7 64bits, >>>>>> for information, I try Squeak 4.2 and the Sound package works on my box. >>>>> >>>>> So can you try the pharo image on the squeak vm because this is probably a problem with a plugin. >>>>> >>>>> Stef >>>> >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Best regards, >>> Igor Stasenko. >>> >> > > > > -- > Best regards, > Igor Stasenko. >

Feb. 21, 2012

Re: [Pharo-users] Sounds / Silence

by Igor Stasenko

looks like the VM you using quite old and cannot read a new image format, which pharo using. On 21 February 2012 11:42, Vincent Lesbros <lesbros(a)gmail.com> wrote: > Sorry, > > I did remove the line in the ini file. > ImageFile="Contents\Resources\Squeak4.2-10966.image" > > Squeak doesn't accept to start on pharo.image. > Ii open a file dialog box to select an image file, I select the pharo > image, but... Squeak stops, indicating that there are several ways to > open an image file... etc.. > > > 2012/2/20 Igor Stasenko <siguctua(a)gmail.com>: >> On 20 February 2012 18:52, Vincent Lesbros <lesbros(a)gmail.com> wrote: >>> How can I do that ? >>> >>> I did copy the pharo.image (and pharo.change) in the >>> C:\Tools\Squeak-4.2-All-in-One\Squeak 4.2 >>> All-in-One.app\Contents\Resources >>> Â of Squeak, and try to launch the image with Squeak.exe, but squeak >>> still opens it's Squeak4.2-10966.image. >>> >> go to .ini file and delete the line which hard wires vm with only one image. >> >> >> >>> Hum. >>> >>> 2012/2/20 StÃ©phane Ducasse <stephane.ducasse(a)inria.fr>: >>>> >>>>> Hi Stef, >>>>> >>>>> Answers are in previous message : >>>>> Â > I use : Pharo-1.3-13315-OneClick.app >>>>> (I donwload the last stable version 1.3 one click from http://www.pharo-project.org/pharo-download ) >>>>> >>>>> My environnemt is windows 7 64bits, >>>>> for information, I try Squeak 4.2 and the Sound package works on my box. >>>> >>>> So can you try the pharo image on the squeak vm because this is probably a problem with a plugin. >>>> >>>> Stef >>> >> >> >> >> -- >> Best regards, >> Igor Stasenko. >> > -- Best regards, Igor Stasenko.

Feb. 21, 2012

Re: [Pharo-users] Sounds / Silence

by Vincent Lesbros

Sorry, I did remove the line in the ini file. ImageFile="Contents\Resources\Squeak4.2-10966.image" Squeak doesn't accept to start on pharo.image. Ii open a file dialog box to select an image file, I select the pharo image, but... Squeak stops, indicating that there are several ways to open an image file... etc.. 2012/2/20 Igor Stasenko <siguctua(a)gmail.com>: > On 20 February 2012 18:52, Vincent Lesbros <lesbros(a)gmail.com> wrote: >> How can I do that ? >> >> I did copy the pharo.image (and pharo.change) in the >> C:\Tools\Squeak-4.2-All-in-One\Squeak 4.2 >> All-in-One.app\Contents\Resources >> Â of Squeak, and try to launch the image with Squeak.exe, but squeak >> still opens it's Squeak4.2-10966.image. >> > go to .ini file and delete the line which hard wires vm with only one image. > > > >> Hum. >> >> 2012/2/20 StÃ©phane Ducasse <stephane.ducasse(a)inria.fr>: >>> >>>> Hi Stef, >>>> >>>> Answers are in previous message : >>>> Â > I use : Pharo-1.3-13315-OneClick.app >>>> (I donwload the last stable version 1.3 one click from http://www.pharo-project.org/pharo-download ) >>>> >>>> My environnemt is windows 7 64bits, >>>> for information, I try Squeak 4.2 and the Sound package works on my box. >>> >>> So can you try the pharo image on the squeak vm because this is probably a problem with a plugin. >>> >>> Stef >> > > > > -- > Best regards, > Igor Stasenko. >

Feb. 21, 2012

Re: [Pharo-users] Sounds / Silence

by Igor Stasenko

On 20 February 2012 18:52, Vincent Lesbros <lesbros(a)gmail.com> wrote: > How can I do that ? > > I did copy the pharo.image (and pharo.change) in the > C:\Tools\Squeak-4.2-All-in-One\Squeak 4.2 > All-in-One.app\Contents\Resources > Â of Squeak, and try to launch the image with Squeak.exe, but squeak > still opens it's Squeak4.2-10966.image. > go to .ini file and delete the line which hard wires vm with only one image. > Hum. > > 2012/2/20 StÃ©phane Ducasse <stephane.ducasse(a)inria.fr>: >> >>> Hi Stef, >>> >>> Answers are in previous message : >>> Â > I use : Pharo-1.3-13315-OneClick.app >>> (I donwload the last stable version 1.3 one click from http://www.pharo-project.org/pharo-download ) >>> >>> My environnemt is windows 7 64bits, >>> for information, I try Squeak 4.2 and the Sound package works on my box. >> >> So can you try the pharo image on the squeak vm because this is probably a problem with a plugin. >> >> Stef > -- Best regards, Igor Stasenko.

Feb. 20, 2012

Re: [Pharo-users] Sounds / Silence

by Vincent Lesbros

How can I do that ? I did copy the pharo.image (and pharo.change) in the C:\Tools\Squeak-4.2-All-in-One\Squeak 4.2 All-in-One.app\Contents\Resources of Squeak, and try to launch the image with Squeak.exe, but squeak still opens it's Squeak4.2-10966.image. Hum. 2012/2/20 StÃ©phane Ducasse <stephane.ducasse(a)inria.fr>: > >> Hi Stef, >> >> Answers are in previous message : >> Â > I use : Pharo-1.3-13315-OneClick.app >> (I donwload the last stable version 1.3 one click from http://www.pharo-project.org/pharo-download ) >> >> My environnemt is windows 7 64bits, >> for information, I try Squeak 4.2 and the Sound package works on my box. > > So can you try the pharo image on the squeak vm because this is probably a problem with a plugin. > > Stef

Feb. 20, 2012

Re: [Pharo-users] Sounds / Silence

by Igor Stasenko

On 20 February 2012 16:25, StÃ©phane Ducasse <stephane.ducasse(a)inria.fr> wrote: > >> Hi Stef, >> >> Answers are in previous message : >> Â > I use : Pharo-1.3-13315-OneClick.app >> (I donwload the last stable version 1.3 one click from http://www.pharo-project.org/pharo-download ) >> >> My environnemt is windows 7 64bits, >> for information, I try Squeak 4.2 and the Sound package works on my box. > > So can you try the pharo image on the squeak vm because this is probably a problem with a plugin. > > Stef Yeah, we should check the status of this thing. -- Best regards, Igor Stasenko.

Feb. 20, 2012