December 2012 - Pharo-users

Re: [Pharo-users] Nautilius Method Source Pane Coloring

by Sven Van Caekenberghe

On 18 Dec 2012, at 10:05, dimitris chloupis <thekilon(a)yahoo.co.uk> wrote: > There is no such thing as too lengthy comments or too many comments as far as me is concerned > Actually I would prefer if all that effort you are asking here would be spent on documenting those libraries in the first place. Trying to figure out Morphic by reading code is definetly not fun. Euh, I am not sure what your remark has to do with what I wrote about a specific feature, although I can understand your frustration with Morphic. All the open source code that I wrote is clean, unit tested and documented. I don't think you can ask anybody to start documenting something like Morphicâ¦ > From: Sven Van Caekenberghe <sven(a)stfx.eu> > To: A friendly place where any question about pharo is welcome <pharo-users(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr> > Sent: Tuesday, 18 December 2012, 10:43 > Subject: [Pharo-users] Nautilius Method Source Pane Coloring > > Hi, > > The way Nautilus colors method source panes is absolutely great: if reminds you of paying attention to long methods in a gentle way. > > However, right now the metric is 'number of characters in method source', while it should be more related to complexity. > > For example, using long names for variables or messages will be counted as negative towards this metric. Worse even, lots of comments, which is good most of the time, also counts as negative. > > Number of nodes in the AST would be one solution, but maybe a too expensive one. > > Maybe quickly scanning for tokens while skipping whitespace and comments and then counting the tokens would be doable ? > > Sven -- Sven Van Caekenberghe http://stfx.eu Smalltalk is the Red Pill

Dec. 18, 2012

Re: [Pharo-users] Nautilius Method Source Pane Coloring

by dimitris chloupis

There is no such thing as too lengthy comments or too many comments as far as me is concerned Actually I would prefer if all that effort you are asking here would be spent on documenting those libraries in the first place. Trying to figure out Morphic by reading code is definetly not fun. ________________________________ From: Sven Van Caekenberghe <sven(a)stfx.eu> To: A friendly place where any question about pharo is welcome <pharo-users(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr> Sent: Tuesday, 18 December 2012, 10:43 Subject: [Pharo-users] Nautilius Method Source Pane Coloring Hi, The way Nautilus colors method source panes is absolutely great: if reminds you of paying attention to long methods in a gentle way. However, right now the metric is 'number of characters in method source', while it should be more related to complexity. For example, using long names for variables or messages will be counted as negative towards this metric. Worse even, lots of comments, which is good most of the time, also counts as negative. Number of nodes in the AST would be one solution, but maybe a too expensive one. Maybe quickly scanning for tokens while skipping whitespace and comments and then counting the tokens would be doable ? Sven -- Sven Van Caekenberghe http://stfx.eu Smalltalk is the Red Pill

Dec. 18, 2012

Nautilius Method Source Pane Coloring

by Sven Van Caekenberghe

Hi, The way Nautilus colors method source panes is absolutely great: if reminds you of paying attention to long methods in a gentle way. However, right now the metric is 'number of characters in method source', while it should be more related to complexity. For example, using long names for variables or messages will be counted as negative towards this metric. Worse even, lots of comments, which is good most of the time, also counts as negative. Number of nodes in the AST would be one solution, but maybe a too expensive one. Maybe quickly scanning for tokens while skipping whitespace and comments and then counting the tokens would be doable ? Sven -- Sven Van Caekenberghe http://stfx.eu Smalltalk is the Red Pill

Dec. 18, 2012

Re: [Pharo-users] Any recommended VPS Hosting for Pharo?

by Sven Van Caekenberghe

I have been using an Amazon AWS EC2 Micro Instnance for more than a year (it is free in the first year). http://aws.amazon.com/ec2 http://stfx.eu (and everything on top of that) I has a great management interface. The only disadvantage is the CPU throttling in the micro instance, more than 1 minute of 100% CPU amd you get a very slow machine. In terms of memory: you hardly need 100Mb per imageâ¦ -- Sven Van Caekenberghe http://stfx.eu Smalltalk is the Red Pill On 18 Dec 2012, at 01:22, Esteban A. Maringolo <emaringolo(a)gmail.com> wrote: > Does somebody runs Pharo in a VPS/Cloud environment? > Can that somebody recommend its hosting? > > I prefer Ubuntu/Debian solutions instead of CentOS (which seems to be the > norm), but mainly because AFAIK there are no pre-built binaries for it. > > I'll appreciate any real use experience, comments, discussions and flame > wars about this. :) > > Regards! > > -- > Esteban

Dec. 18, 2012

Re: [Pharo-users] How are people doing TDD?

by Camillo Bruni

You should definitely try 2.0. We added tons of shortcuts to - navigate source code - change focus (source / method / class / package) - refactor - run tests ... and many more. If you open the new browser in 2.0 click on the triangle on the top left of the window and select "Shortcuts description" for a complete list. On 2012-12-17, at 23:33, Stuart Herring <st-lists(a)stuartherring.com> wrote: > On 18 December 2012 13:10, Tim Mackinnon <tamackinnon(a)gmail.com> wrote: >> I really like the new Toggle from Class to Test (cmd-j) option that got >> introduced - someone has definitely been writing tests in Pharo - however it >> does my head in that pressing it after editing a method doesn't jump me >> back. I also find the same problem when editing a test - that pressing cmd-t >> to run it, just puts a "t" in my source code and doesn't run the test. >> > I have the same frustration with alt/cmd-t it kind of defeats the > purpose of a keyboard shortcut if you've got to click somewhere on the > screen first before you can use it. > > Have you looked at Autotest? http://squeaksource.com/Autotest.html > It will run tests whenever you save them, and also tries to determine > which tests to run when you modify model classes. The only thing > that's a little bit disappointing is that it doesn't update the test > indicators in the browser. > > I wonder if in Pharo 2.0 someone could combine the concepts of the > in-browser test runner and Autotest. So that accepting changes in the > browser uses the same heuristics autotest does to run the tests, and > then uses the Growl style notifications for failures, with the > green/red/yellow test indicators being updated. > > Regards, > Stuart >

Dec. 18, 2012

Re: [Pharo-users] How are people doing TDD?

by Stuart Herring

On 18 December 2012 13:10, Tim Mackinnon <tamackinnon(a)gmail.com> wrote: > I really like the new Toggle from Class to Test (cmd-j) option that got > introduced - someone has definitely been writing tests in Pharo - however it > does my head in that pressing it after editing a method doesn't jump me > back. I also find the same problem when editing a test - that pressing cmd-t > to run it, just puts a "t" in my source code and doesn't run the test. > I have the same frustration with alt/cmd-t it kind of defeats the purpose of a keyboard shortcut if you've got to click somewhere on the screen first before you can use it. Have you looked at Autotest? http://squeaksource.com/Autotest.html It will run tests whenever you save them, and also tries to determine which tests to run when you modify model classes. The only thing that's a little bit disappointing is that it doesn't update the test indicators in the browser. I wonder if in Pharo 2.0 someone could combine the concepts of the in-browser test runner and Autotest. So that accepting changes in the browser uses the same heuristics autotest does to run the tests, and then uses the Growl style notifications for failures, with the green/red/yellow test indicators being updated. Regards, Stuart

Dec. 18, 2012

Re: [Pharo-users] How are people doing TDD?

by Esteban A. Maringolo

It ain't no Dolphin. ;-) I also would like to know how to set the focus on the code pane. Regards. -- View this message in context: http://forum.world.st/How-are-people-doing-TDD-tp4659726p4659728.html Sent from the Pharo Smalltalk Users mailing list archive at Nabble.com.

Dec. 18, 2012

How are people doing TDD?

by Tim Mackinnon

I am curious how people are doing TDD in Pharo? I just tried a session with some of the guys at the UK Smalltalk meetup and I was finding it a bit frustrating in the Pharo 1.4 image. I really like the new Toggle from Class to Test (cmd-j) option that got introduced - someone has definitely been writing tests in Pharo - however it does my head in that pressing it after editing a method doesn't jump me back. I also find the same problem when editing a test - that pressing cmd-t to run it, just puts a "t" in my source code and doesn't run the test. On a related theme - I also find it a bit awkward that I often have to click in the source pane to get focus there to enter some code, I'm kind of missing some easy keystroke to put focus there so I can just start typing in a new method. Am I missing some tricks here? Will the new 2.0 help with some of this (I wanted to try it to see but the one click link is broken). I did try the CI link - but I couldn't see where the 1-click job was running. As an aside - there seem to be lots of red balls on Jenkins? Tim -- View this message in context: http://forum.world.st/How-are-people-doing-TDD-tp4659726.html Sent from the Pharo Smalltalk Users mailing list archive at Nabble.com.

Dec. 18, 2012

Who's in charge of the Pharo Website - some corrections might help.

by Tim Mackinnon

Guys - who's in charge of the Pharo website as there are some small corrections that might help. It took me ages to realise that the Large font items on the left hand nav are clickable (not sure if there is an easy way to indicate this?) - but anyway I was looking for the Nabble link and I notice that the link to Nabble in the FAQ page (http://www.pharo-project.org/documentation/faq) is incorrect where'as the one on the Community page is correct. Also the Pharo-2.0 One Click link on (http://www.pharo-project.org/pharo-download/beta-2-0) is broken. Tim -- View this message in context: http://forum.world.st/Who-s-in-charge-of-the-Pharo-Website-some-corrections… Sent from the Pharo Smalltalk Users mailing list archive at Nabble.com.

Dec. 18, 2012

Re: [Pharo-users] Any recommended VPS Hosting for Pharo?

by Esteban A. Maringolo

Thanks Doru. webfusion.co.uk seems to be the English speaking counterpart of HostEurope. :) Which OS are you running in those VPS? Any further detail regarding average CPU/RAM consumption, type of app, etc. will be really appreciated. Best regards, -- Esteban. -- View this message in context: http://forum.world.st/Any-recommended-VPS-Hosting-for-Pharo-tp4659714p46597… Sent from the Pharo Smalltalk Users mailing list archive at Nabble.com.

Dec. 18, 2012