December 2012 - Pharo-users

Smalltalks Videos

by Marcus Denker

There are now a lot of Videos online from Smalltalks, both last month and 2011. *A lot* of Pharo related videos! Playlist 2012: https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLCGAAdUizzH31VumrhrK2HHepHu3DBpY0 Playlist 2011: https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLE90823AFF9C8177B Marcus

Dec. 3, 2012

Re: [Pharo-users] [Newbies] Stackoverflow - for raising mindshare?

by Sebastian Nozzi

So far the reactions have been positive. I am (positively) surprised :-) I want to cross-post (squeak/pharo) these in particular. 2012/12/3 Camillo Bruni: > yes!! very important! smalltalk has too little presence in the web! Yes, unfortunately. But we can change that ;-) > mailinglists won't help with that fact, as they act almost as closed communities. > Also it happens way too often that questions are re-asked and reposted, whereas they > could be answered on stackoverflow. 2012/12/3 H. Hirzel: > Yes, I think cross-posting is a good idea. > And I suggest that you post to Stackoverflow first and then invite > people from the Squeak list to contribute. Good idea. > The answers on stackoverflow are indexed in a better way than in this > mailing list. > Note aside: good keywords in mailing lists posts also help to identify > an answer in the archive. Didn't think of that, good point. I tend to write too much rather than too little anyway :-) Thanks all of you for your feedback, Sebastian

Dec. 3, 2012

Re: [Pharo-users] Stackoverflow - for raising mindshare?

by Camillo Bruni

On 2012-12-03, at 09:43, Sebastian Nozzi <sebnozzi(a)gmail.com> wrote: > 2012/12/3 dimitris chloupis <thekilon(a)yahoo.co.uk>: >> I dont think stackoverflow can and should replace the >> mailing lists but its still is a welcomed addition. > > Yes, of course. I was not arguing about replacing the mailing-lists! No way! :-) > > But I think it's a good addition, as you say, and: > - helps sending a signal to the world/developer community > - maybe prevents from questions arising again and again in the mailing-lists > - creates dynamic, specific, de-centralized pool of knowledge yes!! very important! smalltalk has too little presence in the web! mailinglists won't help with that fact, as they act almost as closed communities. Also it happens way too often that questions are re-asked and reposted, whereas they could be answered on stackoverflow.

Dec. 3, 2012

Re: [Pharo-users] Stackoverflow - for raising mindshare?

by Sebastian Nozzi

2012/12/3 dimitris chloupis <thekilon(a)yahoo.co.uk>: > I dont think stackoverflow can and should replace the > mailing lists but its still is a welcomed addition. Yes, of course. I was not arguing about replacing the mailing-lists! No way! :-) But I think it's a good addition, as you say, and: - helps sending a signal to the world/developer community - maybe prevents from questions arising again and again in the mailing-lists - creates dynamic, specific, de-centralized pool of knowledge > By the way i tried to answer your git question. :) I saw that, voted and commented, thanks!

Dec. 3, 2012

Re: [Pharo-users] Stackoverflow - for raising mindshare?

by dimitris chloupis

I really like stackoverflow . I visit it quite often to learn something new by browsing all questions. As suprising it may sound the questions interest me more than the answers because expose areas I am not familiar or aware of. It also good idea to show people that there is an active interest in pharo but I think thats up to the people asking the questions. I dont think stackoverflow can and should replace the mailing lists but its still is a welcomed addition. By the way i tried to answer your git question. :) ________________________________ From: Sebastian Nozzi <sebnozzi(a)gmail.com> To: A friendly place where any question about pharo is welcome <pharo-users(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr>; A friendly place to get answers to even the most basic questions about Squeak. <Beginners(a)lists.squeakfoundation.org> Sent: Monday, 3 December 2012, 14:14 Subject: [Pharo-users] Stackoverflow - for raising mindshare? Hello fellow Squeak/Pharo users, at work I find stack-overflow a quite valuable resource whenever I get stuck with something (Java, Ruby, Unix, etc.). What do you think about the idea of using it more, so that: - people starting with Smalltalk can find answers there apart from digging in the mailing-lists - raising the awareness/mind-share about open-source Smalltalk in the "outside world"? I for one will try to double-post my questions both in the corresponding mailing lists and stack-overflow, and whenever I find good information that might be helpful for newcomers, I'll try to post it there also. It might help attracting more people to open-source Smalltalk and gain more acceptance in the industry. Best regards, Sebastian

Dec. 3, 2012

Re: [Pharo-users] git support for Monticello?

by Camillo Bruni

On 2012-12-03, at 09:24, Sebastian Nozzi <sebnozzi(a)gmail.com> wrote: > 2012/12/3 Camillo Bruni <camillobruni(a)gmail.com>: >> .. and if you have too much energy left: >> we started a full smalltalk implementation of git but we miss the protocols ;) >> http://ss3.gemstone.com/ss/FSGit-Experimental.html > > Cool. How does it work? Are you leveraging the installed tools (git) > or a specific library, or implementing the whole thing in Pharo? it's fully implemented in Pharo. What works perfectly right now is modifying local git repositories: - look at all the git structures in a repository - modify the structures (add commits and files) missing is push and pull support due to the lack of a proper protocol implementation ;) > Right now I was only interested in using a github-hosted project (Ratpack) :-) then FileTree is definitely your choice :)

Dec. 3, 2012

Re: [Pharo-users] git support for Monticello?

by Sebastian Nozzi

2012/12/3 Camillo Bruni <camillobruni(a)gmail.com>: > .. and if you have too much energy left: > we started a full smalltalk implementation of git but we miss the protocols ;) > http://ss3.gemstone.com/ss/FSGit-Experimental.html Cool. How does it work? Are you leveraging the installed tools (git) or a specific library, or implementing the whole thing in Pharo? Right now I was only interested in using a github-hosted project (Ratpack) :-)

Dec. 3, 2012

Re: [Pharo-users] git support for Monticello?

by Camillo Bruni

.. and if you have too much energy left: we started a full smalltalk implementation of git but we miss the protocols ;) http://ss3.gemstone.com/ss/FSGit-Experimental.html On 2012-12-03, at 09:09, Sebastian Nozzi <sebnozzi(a)gmail.com> wrote: > I have been pointed to: > > http://www.slideshare.net/esug/of-metacello-git-scripting-and-things > > I'll take a look and try to understand... :-) > > 2012/12/3 Sebastian Nozzi <sebnozzi(a)gmail.com>: >> Hello List, >> >> sorry if this was asked before. I think git/github support for >> Monticello is quite new (?). >> >> How to get started? Are there some pointers/documentation somewhere? >> How to make Monticello git/github aware? >> >> http://stackoverflow.com/questions/13681510/how-to-get-started-with-git-git… >> >> Thanks! >> >> Sebastian >

Dec. 3, 2012

Stackoverflow - for raising mindshare?

by Sebastian Nozzi

Hello fellow Squeak/Pharo users, at work I find stack-overflow a quite valuable resource whenever I get stuck with something (Java, Ruby, Unix, etc.). What do you think about the idea of using it more, so that: - people starting with Smalltalk can find answers there apart from digging in the mailing-lists - raising the awareness/mind-share about open-source Smalltalk in the "outside world"? I for one will try to double-post my questions both in the corresponding mailing lists and stack-overflow, and whenever I find good information that might be helpful for newcomers, I'll try to post it there also. It might help attracting more people to open-source Smalltalk and gain more acceptance in the industry. Best regards, Sebastian

Dec. 3, 2012

Re: [Pharo-users] git support for Monticello?

by Sebastian Nozzi

I have been pointed to: http://www.slideshare.net/esug/of-metacello-git-scripting-and-things I'll take a look and try to understand... :-) 2012/12/3 Sebastian Nozzi <sebnozzi(a)gmail.com>: > Hello List, > > sorry if this was asked before. I think git/github support for > Monticello is quite new (?). > > How to get started? Are there some pointers/documentation somewhere? > How to make Monticello git/github aware? > > http://stackoverflow.com/questions/13681510/how-to-get-started-with-git-git… > > Thanks! > > Sebastian

Dec. 3, 2012