November 2012 - Pharo-users

Re: [Pharo-users] Halo handle text missing?

by adrians-2

Done. Issue #7027 <http://code.google.com/p/pharo/issues/detail?id=7027> -- View this message in context: http://forum.world.st/Halo-handle-text-missing-tp4655981p4656153.html Sent from the Pharo Smalltalk Users mailing list archive at Nabble.com.

Nov. 21, 2012

Re: [Pharo-users] FileTree queries

by Dale Henrichs

Chris, Ah ... you were talking about the svn meta data:) So yes, FileTree was nuking the whole directory structure (including svn meta data) ... yuk, that is a bug[1]:) If you could submit a pull request with your patch for this, that'd be great! Dale [1] https://github.com/dalehenrich/filetree/issues/63 ----- Original Message ----- | From: "Chris" <cpmbailey(a)btinternet.com> | To: "A friendly place where any question about pharo is welcome" <pharo-users(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr> | Sent: Tuesday, November 20, 2012 2:16:49 PM | Subject: Re: [Pharo-users] FileTree queries | | I think it is just because SVN 1.7 and git hold all of their meta | information in the root directory whereas 1.6 holds it at every level | of | the directory tree. FileTree seems to simply replace a package | directory | whenever you commit so takes some of SVN's internals with it. I | actually | 'hacked' it by just saying don't delete any directories called .svn | which seemed to work but have since just gone back to your version | and | made sure to use 1.7. | | I will let you know how I get on with the preview. Although I am | managing to run things without the meta currently and just using | Gofer | to load. I had one dependency issue which I tried to resolve by going | back to the Configuration but have got around it another way now. | | > Chris, | > | > Yes, the Baseline just formalizes the bleedingEdge... | > | > The meta data is just needed for now ... it does interfere when | > you are doing git/svn level merges, so I need to eventually get | > rid of it... | > | > Not sure I understand the issue with SVN 1.6....is there a more | > specific problem? | > | > Please look over the documentation for the Preview release and let | > me know where there are shortcomings and definitely let me know | > about odd behavior ... I'm not 100% comfortable with some of the | > behavior of the API so I'll be interested in your take... | > | > Dale | > | > ----- Original Message ----- | > | From: "Chris" <cpmbailey(a)btinternet.com> | > | To: "A friendly place where any question about pharo is welcome" | > | <pharo-users(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr> | > | Sent: Tuesday, November 20, 2012 11:12:25 AM | > | Subject: Re: [Pharo-users] FileTree queries | > | | > | Thanks Dale, I'll give the Baseline stuff a go. I've only been | > | trying | > | to | > | use my old Configuration for it's dependency information and | > | purely | > | in a | > | loadBleedingEdge capacity, as it's version capabilities are | > | obviously | > | redundant in this context. I'll try it with the meta back in | > | there, | > | but | > | was having some issues with the version file and conflicts on | > | each | > | commit. | > | | > | Oh and just as an aside, it's worth pointing out that FileTree is | > | only | > | compatible with SVN 1.7 (all the meta contained at the top level) | > | as | > | I | > | found when I tried it on a system with 1.6 installed :-) | > | | > | > Chris, | > | > | > | > You have to have the meta data for things to work ... | > | > | > | > Speaking of Metacello... since you are using SVN for managing | > | > our | > | > package source, it isn't really necessary to manage the | > | > classical | > | > ConfigurationOf (saving the mcz file versions for each commit | > | > to | > | > your SVN repo is redundant), so in the Metacello Preview I have | > | > introduced the notion of a BaselineOf where you only need to | > | > maintain the baseline information (no versions). The BaselineOf | > | > can be used interchangeably with the ConfigurationOf and is | > | > much | > | > less overhead to maintain ... | > | > | > | > The Preview[1] is not in general release, but I use it on a | > | > daily | > | > basis for my work (I store my code on github) and would welcome | > | > feedback on your experience using the Preview ... | > | > | > | > Dale | > | > | > | > [1] https://github.com/dalehenrich/metacello-work | > | > ----- Original Message ----- | > | > | From: "CHRIS BAILEY" <cpmbailey(a)btinternet.com> | > | > | To: "A friendly place where any question about pharo is | > | > | welcome" | > | > | <pharo-users(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr> | > | > | Sent: Friday, November 16, 2012 12:27:38 AM | > | > | Subject: Re: [Pharo-users] FileTree queries | > | > | | > | > | My Metacello configuration doesn't want to load from FileTree | > | > | if | > | > | the | > | > | monticello.meta directories are missing. This makes some | > | > | sense to | > | > | me | > | > | as it won't be able to resolve any actual version numbers or | > | > | releases. However all it can possibly do is just grab the | > | > | packages | > | > | from disk anyway. I saw something along the lines of | > | > | Metacello | > | > | new | > | > | configuration: xxx; load somewhere whereas I still have my | > | > | normal | > | > | ConfigurationOfXXX loadBleedingEdge. But I don't have a | > | > | Metacello | > | > | class in my 1.4 Summer image. Do I need to get hold of this? | > | > | | > | > | --- On Thu, 15/11/12, Paul DeBruicker <pdebruic(a)gmail.com> | > | > | wrote: | > | > | | > | > | > From: Paul DeBruicker <pdebruic(a)gmail.com> | > | > | > Subject: Re: [Pharo-users] FileTree queries | > | > | > To: "A friendly place where any question about pharo is | > | > | > welcome" | > | > | > <pharo-users(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr> | > | > | > Date: Thursday, 15 November, 2012, 17:25 | > | > | > On 11/15/2012 09:16 AM, Chris wrote: | > | > | > > Hi, | > | > | > > | > | > | > > I've just migrated to using FileTree with SVN and am | > | > | > wondering if it is | > | > | > > possible to use it without the monticello.meta? You | > | > | > obviously get a lot | > | > | > > of merge conflicts with these and the version file in | > | > | > particular, and I | > | > | > > didn't really see much benefit when using SVN for | > | > | > commit comments and | > | > | > > revision histories and so forth so have just been | > | > | > ignoring / deleting | > | > | > > them. It seems to work ok for the most part and by | > | > | > loading packages with | > | > | > > Gofer, but I feel like I'm fighting the system a bit | > | > | > and have not had | > | > | > > much luck with Metacello in particular which I would | > | > | > like to get working | > | > | > > again. Can anyone advise? | > | > | > > | > | > | > > Thanks | > | > | > > Chris | > | > | > > | > | > | > | > | > | > Why not just make SVN ignore those files? | > | > | > | > | > | > https://sdesmedt.wordpress.com/2006/12/10/how-to-make-subversion-ignore-fil… | > | > | > | > | > | > | > | > | | > | > | | > | > | > | > | > | | > | | > | | > | > | | |

Nov. 20, 2012

Re: [Pharo-users] FileTree queries

by Chris

I think it is just because SVN 1.7 and git hold all of their meta information in the root directory whereas 1.6 holds it at every level of the directory tree. FileTree seems to simply replace a package directory whenever you commit so takes some of SVN's internals with it. I actually 'hacked' it by just saying don't delete any directories called .svn which seemed to work but have since just gone back to your version and made sure to use 1.7. I will let you know how I get on with the preview. Although I am managing to run things without the meta currently and just using Gofer to load. I had one dependency issue which I tried to resolve by going back to the Configuration but have got around it another way now. > Chris, > > Yes, the Baseline just formalizes the bleedingEdge... > > The meta data is just needed for now ... it does interfere when you are doing git/svn level merges, so I need to eventually get rid of it... > > Not sure I understand the issue with SVN 1.6....is there a more specific problem? > > Please look over the documentation for the Preview release and let me know where there are shortcomings and definitely let me know about odd behavior ... I'm not 100% comfortable with some of the behavior of the API so I'll be interested in your take... > > Dale > > ----- Original Message ----- > | From: "Chris" <cpmbailey(a)btinternet.com> > | To: "A friendly place where any question about pharo is welcome" <pharo-users(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr> > | Sent: Tuesday, November 20, 2012 11:12:25 AM > | Subject: Re: [Pharo-users] FileTree queries > | > | Thanks Dale, I'll give the Baseline stuff a go. I've only been trying > | to > | use my old Configuration for it's dependency information and purely > | in a > | loadBleedingEdge capacity, as it's version capabilities are obviously > | redundant in this context. I'll try it with the meta back in there, > | but > | was having some issues with the version file and conflicts on each > | commit. > | > | Oh and just as an aside, it's worth pointing out that FileTree is > | only > | compatible with SVN 1.7 (all the meta contained at the top level) as > | I > | found when I tried it on a system with 1.6 installed :-) > | > | > Chris, > | > > | > You have to have the meta data for things to work ... > | > > | > Speaking of Metacello... since you are using SVN for managing our > | > package source, it isn't really necessary to manage the classical > | > ConfigurationOf (saving the mcz file versions for each commit to > | > your SVN repo is redundant), so in the Metacello Preview I have > | > introduced the notion of a BaselineOf where you only need to > | > maintain the baseline information (no versions). The BaselineOf > | > can be used interchangeably with the ConfigurationOf and is much > | > less overhead to maintain ... > | > > | > The Preview[1] is not in general release, but I use it on a daily > | > basis for my work (I store my code on github) and would welcome > | > feedback on your experience using the Preview ... > | > > | > Dale > | > > | > [1] https://github.com/dalehenrich/metacello-work > | > ----- Original Message ----- > | > | From: "CHRIS BAILEY" <cpmbailey(a)btinternet.com> > | > | To: "A friendly place where any question about pharo is welcome" > | > | <pharo-users(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr> > | > | Sent: Friday, November 16, 2012 12:27:38 AM > | > | Subject: Re: [Pharo-users] FileTree queries > | > | > | > | My Metacello configuration doesn't want to load from FileTree if > | > | the > | > | monticello.meta directories are missing. This makes some sense to > | > | me > | > | as it won't be able to resolve any actual version numbers or > | > | releases. However all it can possibly do is just grab the > | > | packages > | > | from disk anyway. I saw something along the lines of Metacello > | > | new > | > | configuration: xxx; load somewhere whereas I still have my normal > | > | ConfigurationOfXXX loadBleedingEdge. But I don't have a Metacello > | > | class in my 1.4 Summer image. Do I need to get hold of this? > | > | > | > | --- On Thu, 15/11/12, Paul DeBruicker <pdebruic(a)gmail.com> wrote: > | > | > | > | > From: Paul DeBruicker <pdebruic(a)gmail.com> > | > | > Subject: Re: [Pharo-users] FileTree queries > | > | > To: "A friendly place where any question about pharo is > | > | > welcome" > | > | > <pharo-users(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr> > | > | > Date: Thursday, 15 November, 2012, 17:25 > | > | > On 11/15/2012 09:16 AM, Chris wrote: > | > | > > Hi, > | > | > > > | > | > > I've just migrated to using FileTree with SVN and am > | > | > wondering if it is > | > | > > possible to use it without the monticello.meta? You > | > | > obviously get a lot > | > | > > of merge conflicts with these and the version file in > | > | > particular, and I > | > | > > didn't really see much benefit when using SVN for > | > | > commit comments and > | > | > > revision histories and so forth so have just been > | > | > ignoring / deleting > | > | > > them. It seems to work ok for the most part and by > | > | > loading packages with > | > | > > Gofer, but I feel like I'm fighting the system a bit > | > | > and have not had > | > | > > much luck with Metacello in particular which I would > | > | > like to get working > | > | > > again. Can anyone advise? > | > | > > > | > | > > Thanks > | > | > > Chris > | > | > > > | > | > > | > | > Why not just make SVN ignore those files? > | > | > > | > | > https://sdesmedt.wordpress.com/2006/12/10/how-to-make-subversion-ignore-fil… > | > | > > | > | > > | > | > | > | > | > > | > > | > | > | > >

Nov. 20, 2012

Re: [Pharo-users] FileTree queries

by Dale Henrichs

Chris, Yes, the Baseline just formalizes the bleedingEdge... The meta data is just needed for now ... it does interfere when you are doing git/svn level merges, so I need to eventually get rid of it... Not sure I understand the issue with SVN 1.6....is there a more specific problem? Please look over the documentation for the Preview release and let me know where there are shortcomings and definitely let me know about odd behavior ... I'm not 100% comfortable with some of the behavior of the API so I'll be interested in your take... Dale ----- Original Message ----- | From: "Chris" <cpmbailey(a)btinternet.com> | To: "A friendly place where any question about pharo is welcome" <pharo-users(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr> | Sent: Tuesday, November 20, 2012 11:12:25 AM | Subject: Re: [Pharo-users] FileTree queries | | Thanks Dale, I'll give the Baseline stuff a go. I've only been trying | to | use my old Configuration for it's dependency information and purely | in a | loadBleedingEdge capacity, as it's version capabilities are obviously | redundant in this context. I'll try it with the meta back in there, | but | was having some issues with the version file and conflicts on each | commit. | | Oh and just as an aside, it's worth pointing out that FileTree is | only | compatible with SVN 1.7 (all the meta contained at the top level) as | I | found when I tried it on a system with 1.6 installed :-) | | > Chris, | > | > You have to have the meta data for things to work ... | > | > Speaking of Metacello... since you are using SVN for managing our | > package source, it isn't really necessary to manage the classical | > ConfigurationOf (saving the mcz file versions for each commit to | > your SVN repo is redundant), so in the Metacello Preview I have | > introduced the notion of a BaselineOf where you only need to | > maintain the baseline information (no versions). The BaselineOf | > can be used interchangeably with the ConfigurationOf and is much | > less overhead to maintain ... | > | > The Preview[1] is not in general release, but I use it on a daily | > basis for my work (I store my code on github) and would welcome | > feedback on your experience using the Preview ... | > | > Dale | > | > [1] https://github.com/dalehenrich/metacello-work | > ----- Original Message ----- | > | From: "CHRIS BAILEY" <cpmbailey(a)btinternet.com> | > | To: "A friendly place where any question about pharo is welcome" | > | <pharo-users(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr> | > | Sent: Friday, November 16, 2012 12:27:38 AM | > | Subject: Re: [Pharo-users] FileTree queries | > | | > | My Metacello configuration doesn't want to load from FileTree if | > | the | > | monticello.meta directories are missing. This makes some sense to | > | me | > | as it won't be able to resolve any actual version numbers or | > | releases. However all it can possibly do is just grab the | > | packages | > | from disk anyway. I saw something along the lines of Metacello | > | new | > | configuration: xxx; load somewhere whereas I still have my normal | > | ConfigurationOfXXX loadBleedingEdge. But I don't have a Metacello | > | class in my 1.4 Summer image. Do I need to get hold of this? | > | | > | --- On Thu, 15/11/12, Paul DeBruicker <pdebruic(a)gmail.com> wrote: | > | | > | > From: Paul DeBruicker <pdebruic(a)gmail.com> | > | > Subject: Re: [Pharo-users] FileTree queries | > | > To: "A friendly place where any question about pharo is | > | > welcome" | > | > <pharo-users(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr> | > | > Date: Thursday, 15 November, 2012, 17:25 | > | > On 11/15/2012 09:16 AM, Chris wrote: | > | > > Hi, | > | > > | > | > > I've just migrated to using FileTree with SVN and am | > | > wondering if it is | > | > > possible to use it without the monticello.meta? You | > | > obviously get a lot | > | > > of merge conflicts with these and the version file in | > | > particular, and I | > | > > didn't really see much benefit when using SVN for | > | > commit comments and | > | > > revision histories and so forth so have just been | > | > ignoring / deleting | > | > > them. It seems to work ok for the most part and by | > | > loading packages with | > | > > Gofer, but I feel like I'm fighting the system a bit | > | > and have not had | > | > > much luck with Metacello in particular which I would | > | > like to get working | > | > > again. Can anyone advise? | > | > > | > | > > Thanks | > | > > Chris | > | > > | > | > | > | > Why not just make SVN ignore those files? | > | > | > | > https://sdesmedt.wordpress.com/2006/12/10/how-to-make-subversion-ignore-fil… | > | > | > | > | > | | > | | > | > | | |

Nov. 20, 2012

Re: [Pharo-users] FileTree queries

by Chris

Thanks Dale, I'll give the Baseline stuff a go. I've only been trying to use my old Configuration for it's dependency information and purely in a loadBleedingEdge capacity, as it's version capabilities are obviously redundant in this context. I'll try it with the meta back in there, but was having some issues with the version file and conflicts on each commit. Oh and just as an aside, it's worth pointing out that FileTree is only compatible with SVN 1.7 (all the meta contained at the top level) as I found when I tried it on a system with 1.6 installed :-) > Chris, > > You have to have the meta data for things to work ... > > Speaking of Metacello... since you are using SVN for managing our package source, it isn't really necessary to manage the classical ConfigurationOf (saving the mcz file versions for each commit to your SVN repo is redundant), so in the Metacello Preview I have introduced the notion of a BaselineOf where you only need to maintain the baseline information (no versions). The BaselineOf can be used interchangeably with the ConfigurationOf and is much less overhead to maintain ... > > The Preview[1] is not in general release, but I use it on a daily basis for my work (I store my code on github) and would welcome feedback on your experience using the Preview ... > > Dale > > [1] https://github.com/dalehenrich/metacello-work > ----- Original Message ----- > | From: "CHRIS BAILEY" <cpmbailey(a)btinternet.com> > | To: "A friendly place where any question about pharo is welcome" <pharo-users(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr> > | Sent: Friday, November 16, 2012 12:27:38 AM > | Subject: Re: [Pharo-users] FileTree queries > | > | My Metacello configuration doesn't want to load from FileTree if the > | monticello.meta directories are missing. This makes some sense to me > | as it won't be able to resolve any actual version numbers or > | releases. However all it can possibly do is just grab the packages > | from disk anyway. I saw something along the lines of Metacello new > | configuration: xxx; load somewhere whereas I still have my normal > | ConfigurationOfXXX loadBleedingEdge. But I don't have a Metacello > | class in my 1.4 Summer image. Do I need to get hold of this? > | > | --- On Thu, 15/11/12, Paul DeBruicker <pdebruic(a)gmail.com> wrote: > | > | > From: Paul DeBruicker <pdebruic(a)gmail.com> > | > Subject: Re: [Pharo-users] FileTree queries > | > To: "A friendly place where any question about pharo is welcome" > | > <pharo-users(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr> > | > Date: Thursday, 15 November, 2012, 17:25 > | > On 11/15/2012 09:16 AM, Chris wrote: > | > > Hi, > | > > > | > > I've just migrated to using FileTree with SVN and am > | > wondering if it is > | > > possible to use it without the monticello.meta? You > | > obviously get a lot > | > > of merge conflicts with these and the version file in > | > particular, and I > | > > didn't really see much benefit when using SVN for > | > commit comments and > | > > revision histories and so forth so have just been > | > ignoring / deleting > | > > them. It seems to work ok for the most part and by > | > loading packages with > | > > Gofer, but I feel like I'm fighting the system a bit > | > and have not had > | > > much luck with Metacello in particular which I would > | > like to get working > | > > again. Can anyone advise? > | > > > | > > Thanks > | > > Chris > | > > > | > > | > Why not just make SVN ignore those files? > | > > | > https://sdesmedt.wordpress.com/2006/12/10/how-to-make-subversion-ignore-fil… > | > > | > > | > | > >

Nov. 20, 2012

Re: [Pharo-users] FileTree queries

by Dale Henrichs

Chris, You have to have the meta data for things to work ... Speaking of Metacello... since you are using SVN for managing our package source, it isn't really necessary to manage the classical ConfigurationOf (saving the mcz file versions for each commit to your SVN repo is redundant), so in the Metacello Preview I have introduced the notion of a BaselineOf where you only need to maintain the baseline information (no versions). The BaselineOf can be used interchangeably with the ConfigurationOf and is much less overhead to maintain ... The Preview[1] is not in general release, but I use it on a daily basis for my work (I store my code on github) and would welcome feedback on your experience using the Preview ... Dale [1] https://github.com/dalehenrich/metacello-work ----- Original Message ----- | From: "CHRIS BAILEY" <cpmbailey(a)btinternet.com> | To: "A friendly place where any question about pharo is welcome" <pharo-users(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr> | Sent: Friday, November 16, 2012 12:27:38 AM | Subject: Re: [Pharo-users] FileTree queries | | My Metacello configuration doesn't want to load from FileTree if the | monticello.meta directories are missing. This makes some sense to me | as it won't be able to resolve any actual version numbers or | releases. However all it can possibly do is just grab the packages | from disk anyway. I saw something along the lines of Metacello new | configuration: xxx; load somewhere whereas I still have my normal | ConfigurationOfXXX loadBleedingEdge. But I don't have a Metacello | class in my 1.4 Summer image. Do I need to get hold of this? | | --- On Thu, 15/11/12, Paul DeBruicker <pdebruic(a)gmail.com> wrote: | | > From: Paul DeBruicker <pdebruic(a)gmail.com> | > Subject: Re: [Pharo-users] FileTree queries | > To: "A friendly place where any question about pharo is welcome" | > <pharo-users(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr> | > Date: Thursday, 15 November, 2012, 17:25 | > On 11/15/2012 09:16 AM, Chris wrote: | > > Hi, | > > | > > I've just migrated to using FileTree with SVN and am | > wondering if it is | > > possible to use it without the monticello.meta? You | > obviously get a lot | > > of merge conflicts with these and the version file in | > particular, and I | > > didn't really see much benefit when using SVN for | > commit comments and | > > revision histories and so forth so have just been | > ignoring / deleting | > > them. It seems to work ok for the most part and by | > loading packages with | > > Gofer, but I feel like I'm fighting the system a bit | > and have not had | > > much luck with Metacello in particular which I would | > like to get working | > > again. Can anyone advise? | > > | > > Thanks | > > Chris | > > | > | > Why not just make SVN ignore those files? | > | > https://sdesmedt.wordpress.com/2006/12/10/how-to-make-subversion-ignore-fil… | > | > | |

Nov. 20, 2012

Re: [Pharo-users] FileTree queries

by Dale Henrichs

Chris, "is possible?" yes ... I've gone through several different versions of FileTree where I've played different games with the meta data ... in the end I figured that to make it simple for folks to move back and forth that the meta data was best left intact ... With that said, I have several projects that are 100% stored in git and I am mightily annoyed by the extra meta data showing up as changes so I am getting close to nuking the meta data ... as an option .... but I have been busy working on "real projects" instead of spending almost this entire year working on infrastructure so I probably won't be making the changes real soon:) Dale ----- Original Message ----- | From: "Chris" <cpmbailey(a)btinternet.com> | To: "A friendly place where any question about pharo is welcome" <pharo-users(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr> | Sent: Tuesday, November 13, 2012 11:18:00 AM | Subject: [Pharo-users] FileTree queries | | Hi, | | I've just migrated to using FileTree with SVN and am wondering if it | is | possible to use it without the monticello.meta? You obviously get a | lot | of merge conflicts with these and the version file in particular, and | I | didn't really see much benefit when using SVN for commit comments and | revision histories and so forth so have just been ignoring / deleting | them. It seems to work ok for the most part and by loading packages | with | Gofer, but I feel like I'm fighting the system a bit and have not had | much luck with Metacello in particular which I would like to get | working | again. Can anyone advise? | | Thanks | Chris | |

Nov. 20, 2012

Re: [Pharo-users] Halo handle text missing?

by Marcus Denker

On Nov 20, 2012, at 11:29 AM, adrians-2 <nmanole(a)gmail.com> wrote: > I'm using the latest 2.x one-click and I noticed that the halo text for the > handles is missing. All I get is "unknown halo handle" for any handle I > hover over. Is this a known issue with the latest updates? > > Yes, looks like it... no idea what broke it, though. Can you add an issue to the bug tracker? http://code.google.com/p/pharo/issues/list?can=2 -- Marcus Denker -- http://marcusdenker.de

Nov. 20, 2012

Halo handle text missing?

by adrians-2

I'm using the latest 2.x one-click and I noticed that the halo text for the handles is missing. All I get is "unknown halo handle" for any handle I hover over. Is this a known issue with the latest updates? -Adrian -- View this message in context: http://forum.world.st/Halo-handle-text-missing-tp4655981.html Sent from the Pharo Smalltalk Users mailing list archive at Nabble.com.

Nov. 20, 2012

fOSSa 2012

by Marcus Denker

Pharo will participate to the fourth edition of the fOSSa Conference taking place from December 4 to 6, 2012 in Lille (France). The aim of the fOSSa (Free Open Source Academia Conference) is to reaffirm the underlying values of Open Source software: innovation & research in software development. While the first edition aimed at providing valuable information on the Open Source model at large, the second edition focused specific key-aspects of FOSS such as tech innovation,upcoming issues & challenges in the open development context and how open activities, collaboration and knowledge sharing is beneficial to academia, education & industry. The third edition look at the future of Open Source (Eco system, Trends, new territories, etc). The fourth edition will address in an open-minded style about: - Digital Geographic Strategies & the Native Generation, - FLOSS History with the movie: "Revolution OSâ followed by a debate, - Open Art, collaboration between art & science, - Licenses in the real life: no lawyers speeches, only facts & return experience, - Workshops to learn how to develop code for debian, gnome, apache, robotics ROS ... And, of course the usual fOSSa topics (Education & Community management). There will be a Pharo Workshop Dec 5th. "What marks the difference between fOSSa and other events is the air that you breath there. An event organized by passionate people, with passionate attendees as well â¦ and great speakers. Every year you can get some presentations of greater international events in advance (I remember the year of Arduino, to give you an example).â -- Gabriele Ruffatti -- SpagoWorld Blog 2012. fOSSa days are open to everyone and registration is free ! more information @ http://fossa.inria.fr -- Marcus Denker -- http://marcusdenker.de

Nov. 19, 2012