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Re: [Pharo-users] Tree-like workspace

by Benjamin

On Aug 2, 2011, at 8:04 PM, Igor Stasenko wrote: > On 2 August 2011 19:52, Offray Vladimir Luna CÃ¡rdenas <offray(a)riseup.net> wrote: >> Hi all, >> >> >> I'm reading with great joy, various pharo/smalltalk related books to get a >> glimpse of what is available. I started with PBE and almost finished, then >> the Seaside Tutorial by HPI and the Moose. I'm just browsing them and make >> some things here and there using the Pharo image and workspaces to create >> documentation. Now I'm reading the Master Thesis "Scripting Browsers with >> Glamour" by Phillip Bunge and as I read about MVC this part: >> >> Reenskaug, however, never intended for the breaking of encapsulation that >> the pattern promotes. He wrote later that the âtop level goal was to support >> the userâs mental model of the relevant information space and to enable the >> user to inspect and edit this information.â >> >> I think that I want the same: support my own mental model when I'm exploring >> Pharo/Smalltalk. I have been a long user of Leo[1] mostly for documentation >> related matters and I would like to have this kind of tree-like WorkSpace in >> Pharo, instead of the plain one provided by default. So I will continue the >> reading of the thesis, but I would like to know if there is any package that >> can provide this support for my "leo alike mental of documentation" inside >> Pharo. If this is not the case, I think that trying to create this >> "TreeSpace" in replace of the usual WorkSpace will be my first projects. >> >> [1] http://webpages.charter.net/edreamleo/front.html >> >> Please let me know any thoughts or advices about this idea. >> > > I think you should take a look on Nautilus project (Ben, can you > provide link/instructions?). https://ci.lille.inria.fr/pharo/job/Nautilus/ :) The tree-based browser is Nautilus (Nautilus2 is more basic) If someone has some questions, I will be glad to answer :) Ben > It using trees instead of lists to display contents in browser. > > But i puzzled, what are use of trees in workspace? Maybe you meant browser? > Because by looking at screenshots [1], it is closely similar to browser. > Workspace in smalltalk is just a text editing area where you can type > small snippets of code and then evaluate them. > I see no way where trees could be of any use in workspace. > > [1]http://webpages.charter.net/edreamleo/screen-shots.html > > >> Cheers, >> >> Offray >> >> > > > > -- > Best regards, > Igor Stasenko AKA sig. >

Aug. 2, 2011

Re: [Pharo-users] [PBE-Spanish] Status update 2011-07-06

by Offray Vladimir Luna CÃ¡rdenas

Hi NicolÃ¡s, Just a little comment about translation infrastructures that you, or any other translator could be interested in: http://www.transifex.net/ Only in case do you know it. Cheers, Offray El 06/07/11 23:41, NicolÃ¡s Paez escribiÃ³: > Hello everyone, > > Here is the weekly update of the Spanish translation of Pharo By Example > book. > During this past week, we didn't do any important progress, we still have 2 > chapters under translations. We started the review process and we have > publish a new preview containing 9 chapters. You can download this preview > from this location: > https://gforge.inria.fr/frs/download.php/28711/PBE1-Spanish-Draft-2011-07-0… > > Regards, > Nico > > Saludos! > Nico. > blog: nicopaez.wordpress.com >

Aug. 2, 2011

Re: [Pharo-users] Tree-like workspace

by Igor Stasenko

On 2 August 2011 19:52, Offray Vladimir Luna CÃ¡rdenas <offray(a)riseup.net> wrote: > Hi all, > > > I'm reading with great joy, various pharo/smalltalk related books to get a > glimpse of what is available. I started with PBE and almost finished, then > the Seaside Tutorial by HPI and the Moose. I'm just browsing them and make > some things here and there using the Pharo image and workspaces to create > documentation. Now I'm reading the Master Thesis "Scripting Browsers with > Glamour" by Phillip Bunge and as I read about MVC this part: > > Reenskaug, however, never intended for the breaking of encapsulation that > the pattern promotes. He wrote later that the âtop level goal was to support > the userâs mental model of the relevant information space and to enable the > user to inspect and edit this information.â > > I think that I want the same: support my own mental model when I'm exploring > Pharo/Smalltalk. I have been a long user of Leo[1] mostly for documentation > related matters and I would like to have this kind of tree-like WorkSpace in > Pharo, instead of the plain one provided by default. So I will continue the > reading of the thesis, but I would like to know if there is any package that > can provide this support for my "leo alike mental of documentation" inside > Pharo. If this is not the case, I think that trying to create this > "TreeSpace" in replace of the usual WorkSpace will be my first projects. > > [1] http://webpages.charter.net/edreamleo/front.html > > Please let me know any thoughts or advices about this idea. > I think you should take a look on Nautilus project (Ben, can you provide link/instructions?). It using trees instead of lists to display contents in browser. But i puzzled, what are use of trees in workspace? Maybe you meant browser? Because by looking at screenshots [1], it is closely similar to browser. Workspace in smalltalk is just a text editing area where you can type small snippets of code and then evaluate them. I see no way where trees could be of any use in workspace. [1]http://webpages.charter.net/edreamleo/screen-shots.html > Cheers, > > Offray > > -- Best regards, Igor Stasenko AKA sig.

Aug. 2, 2011

Tree-like workspace

by Offray Vladimir Luna CÃ¡rdenas

Hi all, I'm reading with great joy, various pharo/smalltalk related books to get a glimpse of what is available. I started with PBE and almost finished, then the Seaside Tutorial by HPI and the Moose. I'm just browsing them and make some things here and there using the Pharo image and workspaces to create documentation. Now I'm reading the Master Thesis "Scripting Browsers with Glamour" by Phillip Bunge and as I read about MVC this part: Reenskaug, however, never intended for the breaking of encapsulation that the pattern promotes. He wrote later that the âtop level goal was to support the userâs mental model of the relevant information space and to enable the user to inspect and edit this information.â I think that I want the same: support my own mental model when I'm exploring Pharo/Smalltalk. I have been a long user of Leo[1] mostly for documentation related matters and I would like to have this kind of tree-like WorkSpace in Pharo, instead of the plain one provided by default. So I will continue the reading of the thesis, but I would like to know if there is any package that can provide this support for my "leo alike mental of documentation" inside Pharo. If this is not the case, I think that trying to create this "TreeSpace" in replace of the usual WorkSpace will be my first projects. [1] http://webpages.charter.net/edreamleo/front.html Please let me know any thoughts or advices about this idea. Cheers, Offray

Aug. 2, 2011

Re: [Pharo-users] Welcome new list members

by Ted F.A. van Gaalen

thanks, yes, i am still here following most things in this list. greetings Ted (the one arguing about downward compatibility a few months ago.. and why VM's behave differently :o) On Mon, Aug 1, 2011 at 6:03 PM, StÃ©phane Ducasse <stephane.ducasse(a)inria.fr> wrote: > This is a personal message to all the recent new list members! > > Â Â Â Â Yes we receive an email each time people join and leave :) > Â Â Â Â We love that spam! > > - So first welcome! > - Second do not hesitate to ask any question > - Third give us feedback, we are ready to improve, fix, listen, integrate new ideas. > - Fourth if you want to help, sign the license agreement, and there are a lot of simple changes to be done. > We tagged some of them as easy for you :). > Â Â Â Â http://code.google.com/p/pharo/wiki/HowToContribute > Â Â Â Â http://code.google.com/p/pharo/issues/list (use difficult-easy). > > Stef > > >

Aug. 1, 2011

Two simple chapters on Numbers for PBE2 :)

by StÃ©phane Ducasse

Hi guys I want to share that with you. (may be I wrote some errors that you will spot I'm sure). I wrote two chapters for the next book: float (with the participation of Nicolas Cellier) and internal number representation (two complements and friend). I wrote that also for myself so that I can forget and just read it again and could say: ok this is that simple.... :) http://stephane.ducasse.free.fr/Web/Draft/ Stef

Aug. 1, 2011

Welcome new list members

by StÃ©phane Ducasse

This is a personal message to all the recent new list members! Yes we receive an email each time people join and leave :) We love that spam! - So first welcome! - Second do not hesitate to ask any question - Third give us feedback, we are ready to improve, fix, listen, integrate new ideas. - Fourth if you want to help, sign the license agreement, and there are a lot of simple changes to be done. We tagged some of them as easy for you :). http://code.google.com/p/pharo/wiki/HowToContribute http://code.google.com/p/pharo/issues/list (use difficult-easy). Stef

Aug. 1, 2011