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Re: [Pharo-users] Questions about Glamour

by Offray Vladimir Luna CÃ¡rdenas

Hi Doru, Thanks for your pointers. I will subscribe to the moose list to continue the discussion. Cheers, Offray El 04/08/11 12:32, Tudor Girba escribiÃ³: > Hi, > > The examples from the thesis of Philipp are out of date. The up-to-date documentation is in The Moose Book. > > If you want to discuss Glamour, I would suggest to use the moose-dev(a)iam.unibe.ch mailing list - follow the registration from: > https://www.iam.unibe.ch/mailman/listinfo/moose-dev > > Further examples can be found in the built-in example browser (also done in Glamour): > GLMBasicExamples open > > Regarding your first question, the current way to integrate a Workspace is by using something like: > > ... > a text > forSmalltalk. > > > Cheers, > Doru > > > On 4 Aug 2011, at 16:56, Offray Vladimir Luna CÃ¡rdenas wrote: > >> Hi all, >> >> Following with my idea of Tree like workspace I have started to see Glamour to find my way to the problem. After trying to install it on Pharo and getting some error message I tried the preinstalled version of Moose and followed the Moose Book example[1]. It worked well, and I like the flexibility of glamour to define browsers, but you loose some of the most important characteristic in the Workspace is interactivity (auto-completion, syntax highlighting and so on) So I have some questions: >> >> [1] http://www.themoosebook.org/book/internals/glamour/glimpse >> >> * Â¿There is any way to make the details panel contain a Workspace?. >> >> * When I try the first example in the Bunge's Thesis tutorial: >> >> browser := TableLayoutBrowser new. >> >> I don't get full autocompletion on TableLayoutBrowser only until TableLayout. This is because this Class is not supported on Moose Glamour, another reason or Am I misunderstanding something else? >> >> Cheers, >> >> Offray >> > > -- > www.tudorgirba.com > > "From an abstract enough point of view, any two things are similar." > > > > >

Aug. 4, 2011

Re: [Pharo-users] Questions about Glamour

by Tudor Girba

Hi, The examples from the thesis of Philipp are out of date. The up-to-date documentation is in The Moose Book. If you want to discuss Glamour, I would suggest to use the moose-dev(a)iam.unibe.ch mailing list - follow the registration from: https://www.iam.unibe.ch/mailman/listinfo/moose-dev Further examples can be found in the built-in example browser (also done in Glamour): GLMBasicExamples open Regarding your first question, the current way to integrate a Workspace is by using something like: ... a text forSmalltalk. Cheers, Doru On 4 Aug 2011, at 16:56, Offray Vladimir Luna CÃ¡rdenas wrote: > Hi all, > > Following with my idea of Tree like workspace I have started to see Glamour to find my way to the problem. After trying to install it on Pharo and getting some error message I tried the preinstalled version of Moose and followed the Moose Book example[1]. It worked well, and I like the flexibility of glamour to define browsers, but you loose some of the most important characteristic in the Workspace is interactivity (auto-completion, syntax highlighting and so on) So I have some questions: > > [1] http://www.themoosebook.org/book/internals/glamour/glimpse > > * Â¿There is any way to make the details panel contain a Workspace?. > > * When I try the first example in the Bunge's Thesis tutorial: > > browser := TableLayoutBrowser new. > > I don't get full autocompletion on TableLayoutBrowser only until TableLayout. This is because this Class is not supported on Moose Glamour, another reason or Am I misunderstanding something else? > > Cheers, > > Offray > -- www.tudorgirba.com "From an abstract enough point of view, any two things are similar."

Aug. 4, 2011

Questions about Glamour

by Offray Vladimir Luna CÃ¡rdenas

Hi all, Following with my idea of Tree like workspace I have started to see Glamour to find my way to the problem. After trying to install it on Pharo and getting some error message I tried the preinstalled version of Moose and followed the Moose Book example[1]. It worked well, and I like the flexibility of glamour to define browsers, but you loose some of the most important characteristic in the Workspace is interactivity (auto-completion, syntax highlighting and so on) So I have some questions: [1] http://www.themoosebook.org/book/internals/glamour/glimpse * Â¿There is any way to make the details panel contain a Workspace?. * When I try the first example in the Bunge's Thesis tutorial: browser := TableLayoutBrowser new. I don't get full autocompletion on TableLayoutBrowser only until TableLayout. This is because this Class is not supported on Moose Glamour, another reason or Am I misunderstanding something else? Cheers, Offray

Aug. 4, 2011

Re: [Pharo-users] [PBE-Spanish] Status update 2011-08-03

by NicolÃ¡s Paez

We hope to have it before Smalltalks 2011. The revision is not easy because Spanish language is spoken in many countries and this makes the languages to have variations. At the same time, in the translation process there were people from at least 4 different countries (Argentina, Chile, Spain and Venezuela) and we need to ensure the book to be consistent. The point here is that to ensure consistency we need to read the whole book. Regards, NicoPaez Saludos! Nico. blog: nicopaez.wordpress.com On Thu, Aug 4, 2011 at 4:16 AM, StÃ©phane Ducasse <stephane.ducasse(a)inria.fr>wrote: > version. :) > > Stef > > On Aug 4, 2011, at 12:24 AM, NicolÃ¡s Paez wrote: > > > Hello everyone, > > > > Finally we were able to fix the some of the errors in PDF generation and > now, all the 14 chapters are published in PDF format :-) > > > > You can download them from PharoByExample page. > > Direct link: > https://gforge.inria.fr/frs/download.php/28829/PBE1-Spanish-FullDraft-2011-… > > > > At the same time, some new volunteers joined the project to collaborate > in the revision. > > > > Saludos! > > Nico. > > blog: nicopaez.wordpress.com > > >

Aug. 4, 2011

Re: [Pharo-users] Tree-like workspace

by Offray Vladimir Luna CÃ¡rdenas

Hi, El 04/08/11 00:36, Marcus Denker escribiÃ³: > > On Aug 3, 2011, at 11:09 PM, Offray Vladimir Luna CÃ¡rdenas wrote: >> >> >> Ps: there also a lot of good blogs in the Smalltalk noosphere. May be in the links of the Pharo page we should put this social part of the project and community. >> > > Yes, good idea. > > Do you have a list? > > Marcus > Here are some I like most: * http://onsmalltalk.com/ * http://magaloma.blogspot.com/ * http://smalltalkzen.wordpress.com/ This seems interesting also: * http://blog.doit.st/ Cheers, Offray

Aug. 4, 2011

Re: [Pharo-users] PBE, System Browser, OmniBrowser2

by Benjamin

On Aug 4, 2011, at 11:31 AM, Marcus Denker wrote: > > On Aug 4, 2011, at 10:29 AM, Sebastien Bigaret wrote: >> >> >> 1. Creating a package and putting categories in it >> >> I've not seen anything about 'packages' within the OBSystemBrowser. >> What I've done is >> - open the Monticello Browser >> - create the package PBE-LightsOut there >> - back in the system browser, create the category 'PBE-LightsOut' >> >> and the category PBE-LightsOut is automatically assigned to the >> correct package (same goes for any categories whose names start with >> 'PBE-LightsOut') >> >> As far as I understand "Versioning your code with Monticello" (PBE v2 >> / drafts) this is the correct way of doing it, however I'd be grateful >> if someone could confirm... or correct me. > > The experimental OB browser had direct support for Monticello. The current > Browser(s) do not. > > So you need to use the "Monticello Browser" to add packages. > > This will change in the future again... > Nautilus will :) Ben >> >> 2. Trying to install OmniBrowser2 >> > > OB2 is not maintained and therefore does not run on newer versions of Pharo. > > Marcus > > > -- > Marcus Denker -- http://marcusdenker.de > >

Aug. 4, 2011

Re: [Pharo-users] PBE, System Browser, OmniBrowser2

by Marcus Denker

On Aug 4, 2011, at 11:44 AM, Sebastien Bigaret wrote: > > Thank you StÃ©phane and Marcus for your answers, it makes things clear. > I'll use PBE.image for PBE and make my own experiments in a separate 1.3. > > Just to be sure, a naive question: >> Once you are familiar with the system, take a 1.3 image with the dev tools loaded for you. > > Does it mean: download the 1.3 here > http://www.pharo-project.org/pharo-download > or is there a specific image w/ more dev. tools that I missed? We need to do an official release of 1.3 and update the website... this will happen this week. Until than, it's here: https://pharo-ic.lille.inria.fr/hudson/job/Pharo%201.3/ -- Marcus Denker -- http://marcusdenker.de

Aug. 4, 2011

Re: [Pharo-users] PBE, System Browser, OmniBrowser2

by Sebastien Bigaret

Thank you StÃ©phane and Marcus for your answers, it makes things clear. I'll use PBE.image for PBE and make my own experiments in a separate 1.3. Just to be sure, a naive question: > Once you are familiar with the system, take a 1.3 image with the dev tools loaded for you. Does it mean: download the 1.3 here http://www.pharo-project.org/pharo-download or is there a specific image w/ more dev. tools that I missed? __ SÃ©bastien. Le 04/08/2011 11:24, StÃ©phane Ducasse a Ã©crit : > sebastien > > here are my suggestions. > Use the image that is giving with the book but do not try to update. This is an old version. > Once you are familiar with the system, take a 1.3 image with the dev tools loaded for you. > > Stef > > On Aug 4, 2011, at 10:28 AM, Sebastien Bigaret wrote: > >> >> Hi all, >> >> I've just beginning to learn Smalltalk & Pharo for some hours, and I already >> have some questions. >> >> At the very beginning, differences can be noticed between the browser exposed >> in PBE and the one exposed in Pharo v1.2.2. >> >> I've seen Marcus' answer to a similar question here: >> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/pipermail/pharo-users/2011-August/002699.html >> >> and while "it works" (tm) I prefer starting my journey with the latest >> stable version of Pharo, esp. if as said, a *lot* of things have been >> changed and improved; I start experimenting stuff of my own while >> reading tutorials and PBE in particular. >> >> So I have two questions. >> >> 1. Creating a package and putting categories in it >> >> I've not seen anything about 'packages' within the OBSystemBrowser. >> What I've done is >> - open the Monticello Browser >> - create the package PBE-LightsOut there >> - back in the system browser, create the category 'PBE-LightsOut' >> >> and the category PBE-LightsOut is automatically assigned to the >> correct package (same goes for any categories whose names start with >> 'PBE-LightsOut') >> >> As far as I understand "Versioning your code with Monticello" (PBE v2 >> / drafts) this is the correct way of doing it, however I'd be grateful >> if someone could confirm... or correct me. >> >> 2. Trying to install OmniBrowser2 >> >> Just by curiosity, I tried to install OmniBrowser2 in Pharo v1.2.2. >> >> Using the halo I inspect it on PBE.image and found out that it was a >> SystemWindow using model: O2SystemBrowser within category >> 'O2-Enhancements-PackageBrower'. >> >> I eventually found out that it could be found at squeaksource, so I followed the instructions at: >> http://www.squeaksource.com/@9DGVYh5n2jIJBj2R/bHwV8FLI >> >> Alas, after doing it, this somehow breaks things: >> - the O2 can't be opened, exception: >> - even the >> >> What did I miss? Is there a missing dependency not handled by >> monticello? Or is there a serious incompatibility w/ pharo v1.2.2? >> >> NB: this is just out of curiousity, I do not *need* it, the only >> reason why I'm trying such a thing then asking for an explanation >> when it fails is that it helps me understand things better. >> However I have the feeling that it's too early for me to ask such >> things, so do not hesitate to simply answer to come back after >> having read the appropriate documents! >> >> >> A last question (related to the previsou one about O2): >> >> When inspecting morphs in PBE.image we get a SystemWindow w/ model: >> an O2PackageBrowser, which shows image thumbnails next to the morph, >> submorphs etc. If it is possible to install O2 on Pharo v1.2.2, >> will we get it as well? (this was my initial motivation for trying >> to install O2). >> >> >> Thanks in advance for any answer! >> >> BTW: since I will read the entire PBE, is it worth that I collect and >> document the differences on the fly and share it here? >> >> __ SÃ©bastien.

Aug. 4, 2011

Re: [Pharo-users] PBE, System Browser, OmniBrowser2

by Marcus Denker

On Aug 4, 2011, at 10:29 AM, Sebastien Bigaret wrote: > > > 1. Creating a package and putting categories in it > > I've not seen anything about 'packages' within the OBSystemBrowser. > What I've done is > - open the Monticello Browser > - create the package PBE-LightsOut there > - back in the system browser, create the category 'PBE-LightsOut' > > and the category PBE-LightsOut is automatically assigned to the > correct package (same goes for any categories whose names start with > 'PBE-LightsOut') > > As far as I understand "Versioning your code with Monticello" (PBE v2 > / drafts) this is the correct way of doing it, however I'd be grateful > if someone could confirm... or correct me. The experimental OB browser had direct support for Monticello. The current Browser(s) do not. So you need to use the "Monticello Browser" to add packages. This will change in the future again... > > 2. Trying to install OmniBrowser2 > OB2 is not maintained and therefore does not run on newer versions of Pharo. Marcus -- Marcus Denker -- http://marcusdenker.de

Aug. 4, 2011

Re: [Pharo-users] PBE, System Browser, OmniBrowser2

by StÃ©phane Ducasse

sebastien here are my suggestions. Use the image that is giving with the book but do not try to update. This is an old version. Once you are familiar with the system, take a 1.3 image with the dev tools loaded for you. Stef On Aug 4, 2011, at 10:28 AM, Sebastien Bigaret wrote: > > Hi all, > > I've just beginning to learn Smalltalk & Pharo for some hours, and I already > have some questions. > > At the very beginning, differences can be noticed between the browser exposed > in PBE and the one exposed in Pharo v1.2.2. > > I've seen Marcus' answer to a similar question here: > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/pipermail/pharo-users/2011-August/002699.html > > and while "it works" (tm) I prefer starting my journey with the latest > stable version of Pharo, esp. if as said, a *lot* of things have been > changed and improved; I start experimenting stuff of my own while > reading tutorials and PBE in particular. > > So I have two questions. > > 1. Creating a package and putting categories in it > > I've not seen anything about 'packages' within the OBSystemBrowser. > What I've done is > - open the Monticello Browser > - create the package PBE-LightsOut there > - back in the system browser, create the category 'PBE-LightsOut' > > and the category PBE-LightsOut is automatically assigned to the > correct package (same goes for any categories whose names start with > 'PBE-LightsOut') > > As far as I understand "Versioning your code with Monticello" (PBE v2 > / drafts) this is the correct way of doing it, however I'd be grateful > if someone could confirm... or correct me. > > 2. Trying to install OmniBrowser2 > > Just by curiosity, I tried to install OmniBrowser2 in Pharo v1.2.2. > > Using the halo I inspect it on PBE.image and found out that it was a > SystemWindow using model: O2SystemBrowser within category > 'O2-Enhancements-PackageBrower'. > > I eventually found out that it could be found at squeaksource, so I followed the instructions at: > http://www.squeaksource.com/@9DGVYh5n2jIJBj2R/bHwV8FLI > > Alas, after doing it, this somehow breaks things: > - the O2 can't be opened, exception: > - even the > > What did I miss? Is there a missing dependency not handled by > monticello? Or is there a serious incompatibility w/ pharo v1.2.2? > > NB: this is just out of curiousity, I do not *need* it, the only > reason why I'm trying such a thing then asking for an explanation > when it fails is that it helps me understand things better. > However I have the feeling that it's too early for me to ask such > things, so do not hesitate to simply answer to come back after > having read the appropriate documents! > > > A last question (related to the previsou one about O2): > > When inspecting morphs in PBE.image we get a SystemWindow w/ model: > an O2PackageBrowser, which shows image thumbnails next to the morph, > submorphs etc. If it is possible to install O2 on Pharo v1.2.2, > will we get it as well? (this was my initial motivation for trying > to install O2). > > > Thanks in advance for any answer! > > BTW: since I will read the entire PBE, is it worth that I collect and > document the differences on the fly and share it here? > > __ SÃ©bastien. >

Aug. 4, 2011