July 2011 - Pharo-users - lists.pharo.org

Re: [Pharo-users] **Important Please read** Towards First Class Tasks

by Simon Denier

On 28 juil. 2011, at 22:33, laurent laffont wrote: > > On Thu, Jul 28, 2011 at 10:44 AM, Simon Denier <simon.denier(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > About the Pharo IDE task force, I think it would be cool if either Laurent in Annecy or Doru in Bern could organize a Dojo over a week-end. > > > Over a week-end will be hard for me (wife, children :) but on a Saturday or Sunday it can be possible (Annecy is easier for me). It's a bit too late but what do you do this week-end? :) Weather does not seem so nice in the mountains. > > With Skype and TeamViewer we should be able to work together (more than 2) on a single computer, pair program over the web. Do you want to try this ? > > Laurent. > > > > On 1 juil. 2011, at 10:40, StÃ©phane Ducasse wrote: > > > Dear Pharoers > > > > I think that we are doing a great work: when I look at the work on the theme, better widgets, network.....Excellent! and thanks. > > Now we were discussing with Doru about how we as community could coordinate and structure ourselves better to create more energy. > > > > Analysis of the current situation: > > Right now we have individuals doing great projects, sometimes we have a group of people but this is often not visible. > > Now often happens a bit in ad-hoc way. Because someone ask something, then somebody replies and we integrate the replies. > > > > What I would like to see emerging are First Class Tasks with > > a name > > a topic > > a coordinator > > a group of interested participants, > > a set of identified clients (because clients are the ones that often make us deliver more), > > a little agenda, > > a web presence on the web page > > > > > > If we look at what we have right now that are potential Tasks and really important clients > > > > - The Z connection: > > Network/Socket > > Coordinator (proposed): Sven > > Socket: Noury Luc Jannik Olivier > > Clients: Seasiders, Clouders, > > > > - Morphic 2: > > UI: Alain Gary Igor > > Coordinator (proposed): ? > > Presenty framework > > VoidNullPointer UIBuilder > > Athens > > Clients: Moose, Pharo IDE > > > > - Pharo IDE: > > Coordinator (proposed): Doru > > work around TWM Laurent > > Nautilus: Benjamin Laurent > > Glamourous: Doru Damien > > > > - OPAL: > > Compiler tool chain > > Coordinator (proposed): Marcus? > > Jb, Jorge, Marcus, > > Helvetia lukas > > Niko Schwarz? > > > > - Package: > > Stef, Cyrille > > Coordinator (proposed): Stephane > > Client: Nautilus, Doru Moose, > > > > - Metacello > > Dale Mariano > > Coordinator (proposed): Dale? > > Client: Stef with the idea of distribution, Torsten don't you want to help here? > > > > - Coral: > > Coordinator (proposed): Damien? > > Damien, Luc, Adrien, Stef, > > Client: Damien, Olivier? > > > > So what would be good is to have the identification on the web site of these groups. > > More discussions and concentration with a set of little tasks to be performed > > We could tag the mails with [Task-UI], [Task-OPAL], have a little visible agenda. > > > > What do you think? I think that it is important. > > > > > > > > Stef > > > > -- > Simon Denier > > > > > -- Simon Denier

July 29, 2011

Re: [Pharo-users] TestRunner and <expectedFailure>

by Lukas Renggli

Igor, why do you search up to Object? It should be enough to search to TestCase only. Lukas On 29 July 2011 09:34, Marcus Denker <marcus.denker(a)inria.fr> wrote: > > On Jul 28, 2011, at 4:45 PM, Igor Stasenko wrote: > >> On 28 July 2011 15:44, Marcus Denker <marcus.denker(a)inria.fr> wrote: >>> >>> On Jul 28, 2011, at 3:35 PM, Alex Schenkman wrote: >>> >>>> Hi List, >>>> >>>> How can I use <expectedFailure> togehter with the TestRunner. >>>> Testrunner shows the number of expectedFailures, but it always zero, even when I decorate with the Pragma. >>>> >>>> testShouldFail >>>> Â Â Â <expectedFailure> >>>> Â Â Â self fail. >>>> >>> >>> We had to disable the pragma because it lead to making running all tests of the image so slow >>> that it took hours to run. >>> >>> We should look at this again... >>> >>> for now, you can use the old style of adding a method that returns an array of the selectors... >>> >> can you bench it without and with this changeset? >> >> > > Looks good! Will add a tracker entry. > > > -- > Marcus Denker -- http://marcusdenker.de > > > -- Lukas Renggli www.lukas-renggli.ch

July 29, 2011

Re: [Pharo-users] TestRunner and <expectedFailure>

by Marcus Denker

On Jul 28, 2011, at 4:45 PM, Igor Stasenko wrote: > On 28 July 2011 15:44, Marcus Denker <marcus.denker(a)inria.fr> wrote: >> >> On Jul 28, 2011, at 3:35 PM, Alex Schenkman wrote: >> >>> Hi List, >>> >>> How can I use <expectedFailure> togehter with the TestRunner. >>> Testrunner shows the number of expectedFailures, but it always zero, even when I decorate with the Pragma. >>> >>> testShouldFail >>> <expectedFailure> >>> self fail. >>> >> >> We had to disable the pragma because it lead to making running all tests of the image so slow >> that it took hours to run. >> >> We should look at this again... >> >> for now, you can use the old style of adding a method that returns an array of the selectors... >> > can you bench it without and with this changeset? > > Looks good! Will add a tracker entry. -- Marcus Denker -- http://marcusdenker.de

July 29, 2011

Re: [Pharo-users] Image confusion

by Igor Stasenko

On 29 July 2011 00:24, Sven Van Caekenberghe <sven(a)beta9.be> wrote: > Hello Jonathan, > > Welcome! > > On 28 Jul 2011, at 22:47, Jonathan Kelly wrote: > >> So I',m on WinXP and have Pharo in "C:\Pharo 1.2.1 Release". I had thought I'd worked out worked out dragging an image file onto the exe loaded it that image (it seems to work in the main directory with Pharo.exe ... and assumed that would work with cog vm too. So I copied an image into the cog directory "C:\Pharo 1.2.1 Release\cogvm" and dragged it onto PharoCog.exe and have been happily working away. > > I am on Mac, but I guess you can go the other way around on Windows as well: > > You can start by double-clicking a VM and then use the file dialog to select an image to open. > yes. and if it does not asks for image when you doing that, then get rid of .ini file in vm folder which pointing to fixed image and refuses to open others or gives you a choice which one to load, when you run vm with no parameters. > Sven > > > -- Best regards, Igor Stasenko AKA sig.

July 28, 2011

Re: [Pharo-users] Image confusion

by Sven Van Caekenberghe

Hello Jonathan, Welcome! On 28 Jul 2011, at 22:47, Jonathan Kelly wrote: > So I',m on WinXP and have Pharo in "C:\Pharo 1.2.1 Release". I had thought I'd worked out worked out dragging an image file onto the exe loaded it that image (it seems to work in the main directory with Pharo.exe ... and assumed that would work with cog vm too. So I copied an image into the cog directory "C:\Pharo 1.2.1 Release\cogvm" and dragged it onto PharoCog.exe and have been happily working away. I am on Mac, but I guess you can go the other way around on Windows as well: You can start by double-clicking a VM and then use the file dialog to select an image to open. Sven

July 28, 2011

Re: [Pharo-users] Image confusion

by laurent laffont

On Thu, Jul 28, 2011 at 10:47 PM, Jonathan Kelly <jonkelly(a)fastmail.fm>wrote: > Hi, > > newbie Smalltalker here. Have been playing with Pharo for a couple of weeks > - loving it and hating it at the same time! :) > > So I',m on WinXP and have Pharo in "C:\Pharo 1.2.1 Release". I had thought > I'd worked out worked out dragging an image file onto the exe loaded it that > image (it seems to work in the main directory with Pharo.exe ... and assumed > that would work with cog vm too. So I copied an image into the cog directory > "C:\Pharo 1.2.1 Release\cogvm" and dragged it onto PharoCog.exe and have > been happily working away. > > Now I realise looking at modification dates that the image it is actually > using is "C:\Pharo 1.2.1 Release\pharo.image" - and confirmed that by > actually noticing the window header which says "PharoCog! (C:\Pharo 1.2.1 > Relase\pharo.image)" > > I've filed out my stuff and am going to start again. So, which VM should I > be using, and if its cog .. how should I manage images. > If I remember correctly you have to change an existing Squeak.ini file and remove a line pointing to a specific image. Laurent. > > Thanks > Jonathan. > >

July 28, 2011

Re: [Pharo-users] Image confusion

by StÃ©phane Ducasse

Hi jonathan Sorry for the frustration part. I'm on mac and somebody on windows will certainly help you. Now I suggest you to use Monticello to save on SqueakSource (keep the local version on your package-cache folder because SqueakSource is recently leaking some packages - we are working on the next generation). Now do not hesitate to ask us what gets you frustrated. We want to make the system better and need feedback. Stef On Jul 28, 2011, at 10:47 PM, Jonathan Kelly wrote: > Hi, > > newbie Smalltalker here. Have been playing with Pharo for a couple of weeks - loving it and hating it at the same time! :) > > So I',m on WinXP and have Pharo in "C:\Pharo 1.2.1 Release". I had thought I'd worked out worked out dragging an image file onto the exe loaded it that image (it seems to work in the main directory with Pharo.exe ... and assumed that would work with cog vm too. So I copied an image into the cog directory "C:\Pharo 1.2.1 Release\cogvm" and dragged it onto PharoCog.exe and have been happily working away. > > Now I realise looking at modification dates that the image it is actually using is "C:\Pharo 1.2.1 Release\pharo.image" - and confirmed that by actually noticing the window header which says "PharoCog! (C:\Pharo 1.2.1 Relase\pharo.image)" > > I've filed out my stuff and am going to start again. So, which VM should I be using, and if its cog .. how should I manage images. > > Thanks > Jonathan. >

July 28, 2011

Testing files and directories

by Francois Stephany

Hi list, I'm testing some import scripts and wondering how people usually do this kind of testing. Do you generate temporary directories and file ? Any test code examples available to look at ? Cheers, Fa

July 28, 2011

Image confusion

by Jonathan Kelly

Hi, newbie Smalltalker here. Have been playing with Pharo for a couple of weeks - loving it and hating it at the same time! :) So I',m on WinXP and have Pharo in "C:\Pharo 1.2.1 Release". I had thought I'd worked out worked out dragging an image file onto the exe loaded it that image (it seems to work in the main directory with Pharo.exe ... and assumed that would work with cog vm too. So I copied an image into the cog directory "C:\Pharo 1.2.1 Release\cogvm" and dragged it onto PharoCog.exe and have been happily working away. Now I realise looking at modification dates that the image it is actually using is "C:\Pharo 1.2.1 Release\pharo.image" - and confirmed that by actually noticing the window header which says "PharoCog! (C:\Pharo 1.2.1 Relase\pharo.image)" I've filed out my stuff and am going to start again. So, which VM should I be using, and if its cog .. how should I manage images. Thanks Jonathan.

July 28, 2011

Re: [Pharo-users] **Important Please read** Towards First Class Tasks

by laurent laffont

On Thu, Jul 28, 2011 at 10:44 AM, Simon Denier <simon.denier(a)gmail.com>wrote: > > About the Pharo IDE task force, I think it would be cool if either Laurent > in Annecy or Doru in Bern could organize a Dojo over a week-end. > > Over a week-end will be hard for me (wife, children :) but on a Saturday or Sunday it can be possible (Annecy is easier for me). With Skype and TeamViewer we should be able to work together (more than 2) on a single computer, pair program over the web. Do you want to try this ? Laurent. > > On 1 juil. 2011, at 10:40, StÃ©phane Ducasse wrote: > > > Dear Pharoers > > > > I think that we are doing a great work: when I look at the work on the > theme, better widgets, network.....Excellent! and thanks. > > Now we were discussing with Doru about how we as community could > coordinate and structure ourselves better to create more energy. > > > > Analysis of the current situation: > > Right now we have individuals doing great projects, sometimes we > have a group of people but this is often not visible. > > Now often happens a bit in ad-hoc way. Because someone ask > something, then somebody replies and we integrate the replies. > > > > What I would like to see emerging are First Class Tasks with > > a name > > a topic > > a coordinator > > a group of interested participants, > > a set of identified clients (because clients are the ones that > often make us deliver more), > > a little agenda, > > a web presence on the web page > > > > > > If we look at what we have right now that are potential Tasks and really > important clients > > > > - The Z connection: > > Network/Socket > > Coordinator (proposed): Sven > > Socket: Noury Luc Jannik Olivier > > Clients: Seasiders, Clouders, > > > > - Morphic 2: > > UI: Alain Gary Igor > > Coordinator (proposed): ? > > Presenty framework > > VoidNullPointer UIBuilder > > Athens > > Clients: Moose, Pharo IDE > > > > - Pharo IDE: > > Coordinator (proposed): Doru > > work around TWM Laurent > > Nautilus: Benjamin Laurent > > Glamourous: Doru Damien > > > > - OPAL: > > Compiler tool chain > > Coordinator (proposed): Marcus? > > Jb, Jorge, Marcus, > > Helvetia lukas > > Niko Schwarz? > > > > - Package: > > Stef, Cyrille > > Coordinator (proposed): Stephane > > Client: Nautilus, Doru Moose, > > > > - Metacello > > Dale Mariano > > Coordinator (proposed): Dale? > > Client: Stef with the idea of distribution, Torsten don't > you want to help here? > > > > - Coral: > > Coordinator (proposed): Damien? > > Damien, Luc, Adrien, Stef, > > Client: Damien, Olivier? > > > > So what would be good is to have the identification on the web site of > these groups. > > More discussions and concentration with a set of little tasks to be > performed > > We could tag the mails with [Task-UI], [Task-OPAL], have a little visible > agenda. > > > > What do you think? I think that it is important. > > > > > > > > Stef > > > > -- > Simon Denier > > > > >

July 28, 2011