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Re: [Pharo-users] Adding instance variables to existing classes in Monticello

by Joan GÃ¼ell

HI MyClass class >> addMyProgamInstanceVariables (self instVarNames includes: 'myVariable') ifFalse: [ self addInstVarNamed: 'myVariable' ]. and put it in an initialize of my class or create MyProgranInsaler class >> addAllNeededInstanceVariables {MyClass. ClassB. ClassC } do: [ :each | each addMyProgramInstanceVariables ] initialize self addAllNeededInstanceVariables. El 31/07/2011, a las 07:10, Igor Stasenko escribiÃ³: > On 31 July 2011 05:16, Nick Chen <nchen.dev(a)mac.com> wrote: >> Hi >> >> I have modified an existing class in the Smalltalk image and added an >> instance variable to it. I would like to record this change -- added this >> new instance variable -- in Monticello; that way my team can also pull in >> the changes and have it work. This existing class is outside of my >> Monticello package. >> >> Is this possible? >> >> I have tried following these two threads (~ 2008) >> >> * >> http://forum.world.st/monticello-package-adding-instance-variables-to-exist… >> * >> http://forum.world.st/squeak-dev-MC-unload-action-and-postload-actions-td78… >> >> by creating a method on the class side e.g. TheObject class>>mcInstallOn: >> aClassEditor but it does not seem to work. >> >> Is this functionality still supported or is there a new way to achieve this? >> >> Thanks! >> > As far as i can tell, this is not supported. > If you allow things like that, then system become very fragilie. > > Suppose that you have two independently developed packages, which > adding instance variable to same external class > under same name. > Such kind of conflicts is impossible to solve, because you never know > what combination of package(s) could be loaded. > > Instead, what you can do is to save own version of package (with class > where you added ivar) and distribute your code with > this version of package. > >> -- >> Nick >> >> -- >> View this message in context: http://forum.world.st/Adding-instance-variables-to-existing-classes-in-Mont… >> Sent from the Pharo Smalltalk Users mailing list archive at Nabble.com. >> >> > > > > -- > Best regards, > Igor Stasenko AKA sig. > Joan GÃ¼ell jguell(a)e-citilab.eu

July 31, 2011

Re: [Pharo-users] Adding instance variables to existing classes in Monticello

by Pat Maddox

On Jul 31, 2011, at 1:10 AM, Igor Stasenko wrote: > On 31 July 2011 05:16, Nick Chen <nchen.dev(a)mac.com> wrote: >> Hi >> >> I have modified an existing class in the Smalltalk image and added an >> instance variable to it. I would like to record this change -- added this >> new instance variable -- in Monticello; that way my team can also pull in >> the changes and have it work. This existing class is outside of my >> Monticello package. >> >> Is this possible? >> >> I have tried following these two threads (~ 2008) >> >> * >> http://forum.world.st/monticello-package-adding-instance-variables-to-exist… >> * >> http://forum.world.st/squeak-dev-MC-unload-action-and-postload-actions-td78… >> >> by creating a method on the class side e.g. TheObject class>>mcInstallOn: >> aClassEditor but it does not seem to work. >> >> Is this functionality still supported or is there a new way to achieve this? >> >> Thanks! >> > As far as i can tell, this is not supported. > If you allow things like that, then system become very fragilie. > > Suppose that you have two independently developed packages, which > adding instance variable to same external class > under same name. > Such kind of conflicts is impossible to solve, because you never know > what combination of package(s) could be loaded. > > Instead, what you can do is to save own version of package (with class > where you added ivar) and distribute your code with > this version of package. ...and use metacello to specify that dependency. Pat

July 31, 2011

Re: [Pharo-users] Adding instance variables to existing classes in Monticello

by StÃ©phane Ducasse

yes when I want to do that for real Hi nick I do SystemClassFoo addInstanceVariableName: 'myInstanceVariable' and put it in an initialize of my class Clear instance Variable management is not that good. >> > As far as i can tell, this is not supported. > If you allow things like that, then system become very fragilie. > > Suppose that you have two independently developed packages, which > adding instance variable to same external class > under same name. > Such kind of conflicts is impossible to solve, because you never know > what combination of package(s) could be loaded. > > Instead, what you can do is to save own version of package (with class > where you added ivar) and distribute your code with > this version of package. > >> -- >> Nick >> >> -- >> View this message in context: http://forum.world.st/Adding-instance-variables-to-existing-classes-in-Mont… >> Sent from the Pharo Smalltalk Users mailing list archive at Nabble.com. >> >> > > > > -- > Best regards, > Igor Stasenko AKA sig. >

July 31, 2011

Re: [Pharo-users] Adding instance variables to existing classes in Monticello

by Igor Stasenko

On 31 July 2011 05:16, Nick Chen <nchen.dev(a)mac.com> wrote: > Hi > > I have modified an existing class in the Smalltalk image and added an > instance variable to it. I would like to record this change -- added this > new instance variable -- in Monticello; that way my team can also pull in > the changes and have it work. This existing class is outside of my > Monticello package. > > Is this possible? > > I have tried following these two threads (~ 2008) > > * > http://forum.world.st/monticello-package-adding-instance-variables-to-exist… > * > http://forum.world.st/squeak-dev-MC-unload-action-and-postload-actions-td78… > > by creating a method on the class side e.g. TheObject class>>mcInstallOn: > aClassEditor but it does not seem to work. > > Is this functionality still supported or is there a new way to achieve this? > > Thanks! > As far as i can tell, this is not supported. If you allow things like that, then system become very fragilie. Suppose that you have two independently developed packages, which adding instance variable to same external class under same name. Such kind of conflicts is impossible to solve, because you never know what combination of package(s) could be loaded. Instead, what you can do is to save own version of package (with class where you added ivar) and distribute your code with this version of package. > -- > Nick > > -- > View this message in context: http://forum.world.st/Adding-instance-variables-to-existing-classes-in-Mont… > Sent from the Pharo Smalltalk Users mailing list archive at Nabble.com. > > -- Best regards, Igor Stasenko AKA sig.

July 31, 2011

Adding instance variables to existing classes in Monticello

by Nick Chen

Hi I have modified an existing class in the Smalltalk image and added an instance variable to it. I would like to record this change -- added this new instance variable -- in Monticello; that way my team can also pull in the changes and have it work. This existing class is outside of my Monticello package. Is this possible? I have tried following these two threads (~ 2008) * http://forum.world.st/monticello-package-adding-instance-variables-to-exist… * http://forum.world.st/squeak-dev-MC-unload-action-and-postload-actions-td78… by creating a method on the class side e.g. TheObject class>>mcInstallOn: aClassEditor but it does not seem to work. Is this functionality still supported or is there a new way to achieve this? Thanks! -- Nick -- View this message in context: http://forum.world.st/Adding-instance-variables-to-existing-classes-in-Mont… Sent from the Pharo Smalltalk Users mailing list archive at Nabble.com.

July 31, 2011

Re: [Pharo-users] 1.4 update is broken do not use it

by StÃ©phane Ducasse

Ok we fixed it so now updating from https://gforge.inria.fr/frs/download.php/28827/Pharo-1.4-14065.zip or the 14025 is working. Pay attention that if you update from a version in between 25 to 65 you will miss all the updates. Stef > Hi guys > > apparently (I suspect some changes we did with Sven I will check), the updates mechanism only download the latest of the issues > and skips all the ones in between. So if you want to use 1.4 use for now https://gforge.inria.fr/frs/download.php/28827/Pharo-1.4-14065.zip > > stef

July 29, 2011

1.4 update is broken do not use it

by StÃ©phane Ducasse

Hi guys apparently (I suspect some changes we did with Sven I will check), the updates mechanism only download the latest of the issues and skips all the ones in between. So if you want to use 1.4 use for now https://gforge.inria.fr/frs/download.php/28827/Pharo-1.4-14065.zip stef

July 29, 2011

Re: [Pharo-users] **Important Please read** Towards First Class Tasks

by Simon Denier

On 29 juil. 2011, at 11:51, laurent laffont wrote: > On Fri, Jul 29, 2011 at 11:27 AM, Simon Denier <simon.denier(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > On 28 juil. 2011, at 22:33, laurent laffont wrote: > >> >> On Thu, Jul 28, 2011 at 10:44 AM, Simon Denier <simon.denier(a)gmail.com> wrote: >> >> About the Pharo IDE task force, I think it would be cool if either Laurent in Annecy or Doru in Bern could organize a Dojo over a week-end. >> >> >> Over a week-end will be hard for me (wife, children :) but on a Saturday or Sunday it can be possible (Annecy is easier for me). > > > It's a bit too late but what do you do this week-end? :) Weather does not seem so nice in the mountains. > > > I'm still not back in Annecy. But I'm still on vacation next week and in Annecy, so there may be some time for a try ? I could be available the week-end of 6/7 and maybe it's best we continue in a private conversation :) > > For those interested, Tuesday (August, 2) there will be a SmallHarbour sprint with Romain in Annecy. > > Laurent. > > > > >> >> With Skype and TeamViewer we should be able to work together (more than 2) on a single computer, pair program over the web. Do you want to try this ? >> >> Laurent. >> >> >> >> On 1 juil. 2011, at 10:40, StÃ©phane Ducasse wrote: >> >> > Dear Pharoers >> > >> > I think that we are doing a great work: when I look at the work on the theme, better widgets, network.....Excellent! and thanks. >> > Now we were discussing with Doru about how we as community could coordinate and structure ourselves better to create more energy. >> > >> > Analysis of the current situation: >> > Right now we have individuals doing great projects, sometimes we have a group of people but this is often not visible. >> > Now often happens a bit in ad-hoc way. Because someone ask something, then somebody replies and we integrate the replies. >> > >> > What I would like to see emerging are First Class Tasks with >> > a name >> > a topic >> > a coordinator >> > a group of interested participants, >> > a set of identified clients (because clients are the ones that often make us deliver more), >> > a little agenda, >> > a web presence on the web page >> > >> > >> > If we look at what we have right now that are potential Tasks and really important clients >> > >> > - The Z connection: >> > Network/Socket >> > Coordinator (proposed): Sven >> > Socket: Noury Luc Jannik Olivier >> > Clients: Seasiders, Clouders, >> > >> > - Morphic 2: >> > UI: Alain Gary Igor >> > Coordinator (proposed): ? >> > Presenty framework >> > VoidNullPointer UIBuilder >> > Athens >> > Clients: Moose, Pharo IDE >> > >> > - Pharo IDE: >> > Coordinator (proposed): Doru >> > work around TWM Laurent >> > Nautilus: Benjamin Laurent >> > Glamourous: Doru Damien >> > >> > - OPAL: >> > Compiler tool chain >> > Coordinator (proposed): Marcus? >> > Jb, Jorge, Marcus, >> > Helvetia lukas >> > Niko Schwarz? >> > >> > - Package: >> > Stef, Cyrille >> > Coordinator (proposed): Stephane >> > Client: Nautilus, Doru Moose, >> > >> > - Metacello >> > Dale Mariano >> > Coordinator (proposed): Dale? >> > Client: Stef with the idea of distribution, Torsten don't you want to help here? >> > >> > - Coral: >> > Coordinator (proposed): Damien? >> > Damien, Luc, Adrien, Stef, >> > Client: Damien, Olivier? >> > >> > So what would be good is to have the identification on the web site of these groups. >> > More discussions and concentration with a set of little tasks to be performed >> > We could tag the mails with [Task-UI], [Task-OPAL], have a little visible agenda. >> > >> > What do you think? I think that it is important. >> > >> > >> > >> > Stef >> > >> >> -- >> Simon Denier >> >> >> >> >> > > -- > Simon Denier > > > > -- Simon Denier

July 29, 2011

Re: [Pharo-users] TestRunner and <expectedFailure>

by Marcus Denker

On Jul 29, 2011, at 9:40 AM, Lukas Renggli wrote: > Igor, why do you search up to Object? It should be enough to search to > TestCase only. > I added a note to the tracker and will change it when integrating. > Lukas > > On 29 July 2011 09:34, Marcus Denker <marcus.denker(a)inria.fr> wrote: >> >> On Jul 28, 2011, at 4:45 PM, Igor Stasenko wrote: >> >>> On 28 July 2011 15:44, Marcus Denker <marcus.denker(a)inria.fr> wrote: >>>> >>>> On Jul 28, 2011, at 3:35 PM, Alex Schenkman wrote: >>>> >>>>> Hi List, >>>>> >>>>> How can I use <expectedFailure> togehter with the TestRunner. >>>>> Testrunner shows the number of expectedFailures, but it always zero, even when I decorate with the Pragma. >>>>> >>>>> testShouldFail >>>>> <expectedFailure> >>>>> self fail. >>>>> >>>> >>>> We had to disable the pragma because it lead to making running all tests of the image so slow >>>> that it took hours to run. >>>> >>>> We should look at this again... >>>> >>>> for now, you can use the old style of adding a method that returns an array of the selectors... >>>> >>> can you bench it without and with this changeset? >>> >>> >> >> Looks good! Will add a tracker entry. >> >> >> -- >> Marcus Denker -- http://marcusdenker.de >> >> >> > > > > -- > Lukas Renggli > www.lukas-renggli.ch > -- Marcus Denker -- http://marcusdenker.de

July 29, 2011

Re: [Pharo-users] **Important Please read** Towards First Class Tasks

by laurent laffont

On Fri, Jul 29, 2011 at 11:27 AM, Simon Denier <simon.denier(a)gmail.com>wrote: > > On 28 juil. 2011, at 22:33, laurent laffont wrote: > > > On Thu, Jul 28, 2011 at 10:44 AM, Simon Denier <simon.denier(a)gmail.com>wrote: > >> >> About the Pharo IDE task force, I think it would be cool if either Laurent >> in Annecy or Doru in Bern could organize a Dojo over a week-end. >> >> > Over a week-end will be hard for me (wife, children :) but on a Saturday or > Sunday it can be possible (Annecy is easier for me). > > > > It's a bit too late but what do you do this week-end? :) Weather does not > seem so nice in the mountains. > I'm still not back in Annecy. But I'm still on vacation next week and in Annecy, so there may be some time for a try ? For those interested, Tuesday (August, 2) there will be a SmallHarbour sprint with Romain in Annecy. Laurent. > > > > With Skype and TeamViewer we should be able to work together (more than 2) > on a single computer, pair program over the web. Do you want to try this ? > > Laurent. > > > >> >> On 1 juil. 2011, at 10:40, StÃ©phane Ducasse wrote: >> >> > Dear Pharoers >> > >> > I think that we are doing a great work: when I look at the work on the >> theme, better widgets, network.....Excellent! and thanks. >> > Now we were discussing with Doru about how we as community could >> coordinate and structure ourselves better to create more energy. >> > >> > Analysis of the current situation: >> > Right now we have individuals doing great projects, sometimes we >> have a group of people but this is often not visible. >> > Now often happens a bit in ad-hoc way. Because someone ask >> something, then somebody replies and we integrate the replies. >> > >> > What I would like to see emerging are First Class Tasks with >> > a name >> > a topic >> > a coordinator >> > a group of interested participants, >> > a set of identified clients (because clients are the ones that >> often make us deliver more), >> > a little agenda, >> > a web presence on the web page >> > >> > >> > If we look at what we have right now that are potential Tasks and really >> important clients >> > >> > - The Z connection: >> > Network/Socket >> > Coordinator (proposed): Sven >> > Socket: Noury Luc Jannik Olivier >> > Clients: Seasiders, Clouders, >> > >> > - Morphic 2: >> > UI: Alain Gary Igor >> > Coordinator (proposed): ? >> > Presenty framework >> > VoidNullPointer UIBuilder >> > Athens >> > Clients: Moose, Pharo IDE >> > >> > - Pharo IDE: >> > Coordinator (proposed): Doru >> > work around TWM Laurent >> > Nautilus: Benjamin Laurent >> > Glamourous: Doru Damien >> > >> > - OPAL: >> > Compiler tool chain >> > Coordinator (proposed): Marcus? >> > Jb, Jorge, Marcus, >> > Helvetia lukas >> > Niko Schwarz? >> > >> > - Package: >> > Stef, Cyrille >> > Coordinator (proposed): Stephane >> > Client: Nautilus, Doru Moose, >> > >> > - Metacello >> > Dale Mariano >> > Coordinator (proposed): Dale? >> > Client: Stef with the idea of distribution, Torsten don't >> you want to help here? >> > >> > - Coral: >> > Coordinator (proposed): Damien? >> > Damien, Luc, Adrien, Stef, >> > Client: Damien, Olivier? >> > >> > So what would be good is to have the identification on the web site of >> these groups. >> > More discussions and concentration with a set of little tasks to be >> performed >> > We could tag the mails with [Task-UI], [Task-OPAL], have a little >> visible agenda. >> > >> > What do you think? I think that it is important. >> > >> > >> > >> > Stef >> > >> >> -- >> Simon Denier >> >> >> >> >> > > -- > Simon Denier > > > >

July 29, 2011

Re: [Pharo-users] **Important Please read** Towards First Class Tasks

by Simon Denier

On 28 juil. 2011, at 22:33, laurent laffont wrote: > > On Thu, Jul 28, 2011 at 10:44 AM, Simon Denier <simon.denier(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > About the Pharo IDE task force, I think it would be cool if either Laurent in Annecy or Doru in Bern could organize a Dojo over a week-end. > > > Over a week-end will be hard for me (wife, children :) but on a Saturday or Sunday it can be possible (Annecy is easier for me). It's a bit too late but what do you do this week-end? :) Weather does not seem so nice in the mountains. > > With Skype and TeamViewer we should be able to work together (more than 2) on a single computer, pair program over the web. Do you want to try this ? > > Laurent. > > > > On 1 juil. 2011, at 10:40, StÃ©phane Ducasse wrote: > > > Dear Pharoers > > > > I think that we are doing a great work: when I look at the work on the theme, better widgets, network.....Excellent! and thanks. > > Now we were discussing with Doru about how we as community could coordinate and structure ourselves better to create more energy. > > > > Analysis of the current situation: > > Right now we have individuals doing great projects, sometimes we have a group of people but this is often not visible. > > Now often happens a bit in ad-hoc way. Because someone ask something, then somebody replies and we integrate the replies. > > > > What I would like to see emerging are First Class Tasks with > > a name > > a topic > > a coordinator > > a group of interested participants, > > a set of identified clients (because clients are the ones that often make us deliver more), > > a little agenda, > > a web presence on the web page > > > > > > If we look at what we have right now that are potential Tasks and really important clients > > > > - The Z connection: > > Network/Socket > > Coordinator (proposed): Sven > > Socket: Noury Luc Jannik Olivier > > Clients: Seasiders, Clouders, > > > > - Morphic 2: > > UI: Alain Gary Igor > > Coordinator (proposed): ? > > Presenty framework > > VoidNullPointer UIBuilder > > Athens > > Clients: Moose, Pharo IDE > > > > - Pharo IDE: > > Coordinator (proposed): Doru > > work around TWM Laurent > > Nautilus: Benjamin Laurent > > Glamourous: Doru Damien > > > > - OPAL: > > Compiler tool chain > > Coordinator (proposed): Marcus? > > Jb, Jorge, Marcus, > > Helvetia lukas > > Niko Schwarz? > > > > - Package: > > Stef, Cyrille > > Coordinator (proposed): Stephane > > Client: Nautilus, Doru Moose, > > > > - Metacello > > Dale Mariano > > Coordinator (proposed): Dale? > > Client: Stef with the idea of distribution, Torsten don't you want to help here? > > > > - Coral: > > Coordinator (proposed): Damien? > > Damien, Luc, Adrien, Stef, > > Client: Damien, Olivier? > > > > So what would be good is to have the identification on the web site of these groups. > > More discussions and concentration with a set of little tasks to be performed > > We could tag the mails with [Task-UI], [Task-OPAL], have a little visible agenda. > > > > What do you think? I think that it is important. > > > > > > > > Stef > > > > -- > Simon Denier > > > > > -- Simon Denier

July 29, 2011

Re: [Pharo-users] TestRunner and <expectedFailure>

by Lukas Renggli

Igor, why do you search up to Object? It should be enough to search to TestCase only. Lukas On 29 July 2011 09:34, Marcus Denker <marcus.denker(a)inria.fr> wrote: > > On Jul 28, 2011, at 4:45 PM, Igor Stasenko wrote: > >> On 28 July 2011 15:44, Marcus Denker <marcus.denker(a)inria.fr> wrote: >>> >>> On Jul 28, 2011, at 3:35 PM, Alex Schenkman wrote: >>> >>>> Hi List, >>>> >>>> How can I use <expectedFailure> togehter with the TestRunner. >>>> Testrunner shows the number of expectedFailures, but it always zero, even when I decorate with the Pragma. >>>> >>>> testShouldFail >>>> Â Â Â <expectedFailure> >>>> Â Â Â self fail. >>>> >>> >>> We had to disable the pragma because it lead to making running all tests of the image so slow >>> that it took hours to run. >>> >>> We should look at this again... >>> >>> for now, you can use the old style of adding a method that returns an array of the selectors... >>> >> can you bench it without and with this changeset? >> >> > > Looks good! Will add a tracker entry. > > > -- > Marcus Denker -- http://marcusdenker.de > > > -- Lukas Renggli www.lukas-renggli.ch

July 29, 2011

Re: [Pharo-users] TestRunner and <expectedFailure>

by Marcus Denker

On Jul 28, 2011, at 4:45 PM, Igor Stasenko wrote: > On 28 July 2011 15:44, Marcus Denker <marcus.denker(a)inria.fr> wrote: >> >> On Jul 28, 2011, at 3:35 PM, Alex Schenkman wrote: >> >>> Hi List, >>> >>> How can I use <expectedFailure> togehter with the TestRunner. >>> Testrunner shows the number of expectedFailures, but it always zero, even when I decorate with the Pragma. >>> >>> testShouldFail >>> <expectedFailure> >>> self fail. >>> >> >> We had to disable the pragma because it lead to making running all tests of the image so slow >> that it took hours to run. >> >> We should look at this again... >> >> for now, you can use the old style of adding a method that returns an array of the selectors... >> > can you bench it without and with this changeset? > > Looks good! Will add a tracker entry. -- Marcus Denker -- http://marcusdenker.de

July 29, 2011

Re: [Pharo-users] Image confusion

by Igor Stasenko

On 29 July 2011 00:24, Sven Van Caekenberghe <sven(a)beta9.be> wrote: > Hello Jonathan, > > Welcome! > > On 28 Jul 2011, at 22:47, Jonathan Kelly wrote: > >> So I',m on WinXP and have Pharo in "C:\Pharo 1.2.1 Release". I had thought I'd worked out worked out dragging an image file onto the exe loaded it that image (it seems to work in the main directory with Pharo.exe ... and assumed that would work with cog vm too. So I copied an image into the cog directory "C:\Pharo 1.2.1 Release\cogvm" and dragged it onto PharoCog.exe and have been happily working away. > > I am on Mac, but I guess you can go the other way around on Windows as well: > > You can start by double-clicking a VM and then use the file dialog to select an image to open. > yes. and if it does not asks for image when you doing that, then get rid of .ini file in vm folder which pointing to fixed image and refuses to open others or gives you a choice which one to load, when you run vm with no parameters. > Sven > > > -- Best regards, Igor Stasenko AKA sig.

July 28, 2011

Re: [Pharo-users] Image confusion

by Sven Van Caekenberghe

Hello Jonathan, Welcome! On 28 Jul 2011, at 22:47, Jonathan Kelly wrote: > So I',m on WinXP and have Pharo in "C:\Pharo 1.2.1 Release". I had thought I'd worked out worked out dragging an image file onto the exe loaded it that image (it seems to work in the main directory with Pharo.exe ... and assumed that would work with cog vm too. So I copied an image into the cog directory "C:\Pharo 1.2.1 Release\cogvm" and dragged it onto PharoCog.exe and have been happily working away. I am on Mac, but I guess you can go the other way around on Windows as well: You can start by double-clicking a VM and then use the file dialog to select an image to open. Sven

July 28, 2011

Re: [Pharo-users] Image confusion

by laurent laffont

On Thu, Jul 28, 2011 at 10:47 PM, Jonathan Kelly <jonkelly(a)fastmail.fm>wrote: > Hi, > > newbie Smalltalker here. Have been playing with Pharo for a couple of weeks > - loving it and hating it at the same time! :) > > So I',m on WinXP and have Pharo in "C:\Pharo 1.2.1 Release". I had thought > I'd worked out worked out dragging an image file onto the exe loaded it that > image (it seems to work in the main directory with Pharo.exe ... and assumed > that would work with cog vm too. So I copied an image into the cog directory > "C:\Pharo 1.2.1 Release\cogvm" and dragged it onto PharoCog.exe and have > been happily working away. > > Now I realise looking at modification dates that the image it is actually > using is "C:\Pharo 1.2.1 Release\pharo.image" - and confirmed that by > actually noticing the window header which says "PharoCog! (C:\Pharo 1.2.1 > Relase\pharo.image)" > > I've filed out my stuff and am going to start again. So, which VM should I > be using, and if its cog .. how should I manage images. > If I remember correctly you have to change an existing Squeak.ini file and remove a line pointing to a specific image. Laurent. > > Thanks > Jonathan. > >

July 28, 2011

Re: [Pharo-users] Image confusion

by StÃ©phane Ducasse

Hi jonathan Sorry for the frustration part. I'm on mac and somebody on windows will certainly help you. Now I suggest you to use Monticello to save on SqueakSource (keep the local version on your package-cache folder because SqueakSource is recently leaking some packages - we are working on the next generation). Now do not hesitate to ask us what gets you frustrated. We want to make the system better and need feedback. Stef On Jul 28, 2011, at 10:47 PM, Jonathan Kelly wrote: > Hi, > > newbie Smalltalker here. Have been playing with Pharo for a couple of weeks - loving it and hating it at the same time! :) > > So I',m on WinXP and have Pharo in "C:\Pharo 1.2.1 Release". I had thought I'd worked out worked out dragging an image file onto the exe loaded it that image (it seems to work in the main directory with Pharo.exe ... and assumed that would work with cog vm too. So I copied an image into the cog directory "C:\Pharo 1.2.1 Release\cogvm" and dragged it onto PharoCog.exe and have been happily working away. > > Now I realise looking at modification dates that the image it is actually using is "C:\Pharo 1.2.1 Release\pharo.image" - and confirmed that by actually noticing the window header which says "PharoCog! (C:\Pharo 1.2.1 Relase\pharo.image)" > > I've filed out my stuff and am going to start again. So, which VM should I be using, and if its cog .. how should I manage images. > > Thanks > Jonathan. >

July 28, 2011

Testing files and directories

by Francois Stephany

Hi list, I'm testing some import scripts and wondering how people usually do this kind of testing. Do you generate temporary directories and file ? Any test code examples available to look at ? Cheers, Fa

July 28, 2011

Image confusion

by Jonathan Kelly

Hi, newbie Smalltalker here. Have been playing with Pharo for a couple of weeks - loving it and hating it at the same time! :) So I',m on WinXP and have Pharo in "C:\Pharo 1.2.1 Release". I had thought I'd worked out worked out dragging an image file onto the exe loaded it that image (it seems to work in the main directory with Pharo.exe ... and assumed that would work with cog vm too. So I copied an image into the cog directory "C:\Pharo 1.2.1 Release\cogvm" and dragged it onto PharoCog.exe and have been happily working away. Now I realise looking at modification dates that the image it is actually using is "C:\Pharo 1.2.1 Release\pharo.image" - and confirmed that by actually noticing the window header which says "PharoCog! (C:\Pharo 1.2.1 Relase\pharo.image)" I've filed out my stuff and am going to start again. So, which VM should I be using, and if its cog .. how should I manage images. Thanks Jonathan.

July 28, 2011

Re: [Pharo-users] **Important Please read** Towards First Class Tasks

by laurent laffont

On Thu, Jul 28, 2011 at 10:44 AM, Simon Denier <simon.denier(a)gmail.com>wrote: > > About the Pharo IDE task force, I think it would be cool if either Laurent > in Annecy or Doru in Bern could organize a Dojo over a week-end. > > Over a week-end will be hard for me (wife, children :) but on a Saturday or Sunday it can be possible (Annecy is easier for me). With Skype and TeamViewer we should be able to work together (more than 2) on a single computer, pair program over the web. Do you want to try this ? Laurent. > > On 1 juil. 2011, at 10:40, StÃ©phane Ducasse wrote: > > > Dear Pharoers > > > > I think that we are doing a great work: when I look at the work on the > theme, better widgets, network.....Excellent! and thanks. > > Now we were discussing with Doru about how we as community could > coordinate and structure ourselves better to create more energy. > > > > Analysis of the current situation: > > Right now we have individuals doing great projects, sometimes we > have a group of people but this is often not visible. > > Now often happens a bit in ad-hoc way. Because someone ask > something, then somebody replies and we integrate the replies. > > > > What I would like to see emerging are First Class Tasks with > > a name > > a topic > > a coordinator > > a group of interested participants, > > a set of identified clients (because clients are the ones that > often make us deliver more), > > a little agenda, > > a web presence on the web page > > > > > > If we look at what we have right now that are potential Tasks and really > important clients > > > > - The Z connection: > > Network/Socket > > Coordinator (proposed): Sven > > Socket: Noury Luc Jannik Olivier > > Clients: Seasiders, Clouders, > > > > - Morphic 2: > > UI: Alain Gary Igor > > Coordinator (proposed): ? > > Presenty framework > > VoidNullPointer UIBuilder > > Athens > > Clients: Moose, Pharo IDE > > > > - Pharo IDE: > > Coordinator (proposed): Doru > > work around TWM Laurent > > Nautilus: Benjamin Laurent > > Glamourous: Doru Damien > > > > - OPAL: > > Compiler tool chain > > Coordinator (proposed): Marcus? > > Jb, Jorge, Marcus, > > Helvetia lukas > > Niko Schwarz? > > > > - Package: > > Stef, Cyrille > > Coordinator (proposed): Stephane > > Client: Nautilus, Doru Moose, > > > > - Metacello > > Dale Mariano > > Coordinator (proposed): Dale? > > Client: Stef with the idea of distribution, Torsten don't > you want to help here? > > > > - Coral: > > Coordinator (proposed): Damien? > > Damien, Luc, Adrien, Stef, > > Client: Damien, Olivier? > > > > So what would be good is to have the identification on the web site of > these groups. > > More discussions and concentration with a set of little tasks to be > performed > > We could tag the mails with [Task-UI], [Task-OPAL], have a little visible > agenda. > > > > What do you think? I think that it is important. > > > > > > > > Stef > > > > -- > Simon Denier > > > > >

July 28, 2011

Re: [Pharo-users] TestRunner and <expectedFailure>

by Igor Stasenko

On 28 July 2011 15:44, Marcus Denker <marcus.denker(a)inria.fr> wrote: > > On Jul 28, 2011, at 3:35 PM, Alex Schenkman wrote: > >> Hi List, >> >> How can I use <expectedFailure> togehter with the TestRunner. >> Testrunner shows the number of expectedFailures, but it always zero, even when I decorate with the Pragma. >> >> testShouldFail >> Â Â Â <expectedFailure> >> Â Â Â self fail. >> > > We had to disable the pragma because it lead to making running all tests of the image so slow > that it took hours to run. > > We should look at this again... > > for now, you can use the old style of adding a method that returns an array of the selectors... > can you bench it without and with this changeset? > > -- > Marcus Denker -- http://marcusdenker.de > > > -- Best regards, Igor Stasenko AKA sig.

July 28, 2011

Re: [Pharo-users] TestRunner and <expectedFailure>

by Marcus Denker

On Jul 28, 2011, at 3:35 PM, Alex Schenkman wrote: > Hi List, > > How can I use <expectedFailure> togehter with the TestRunner. > Testrunner shows the number of expectedFailures, but it always zero, even when I decorate with the Pragma. > > testShouldFail > <expectedFailure> > self fail. > We had to disable the pragma because it lead to making running all tests of the image so slow that it took hours to run. We should look at this again... for now, you can use the old style of adding a method that returns an array of the selectors... -- Marcus Denker -- http://marcusdenker.de

July 28, 2011

TestRunner and <expectedFailure>

by Alex Schenkman

Hi List, How can I use <expectedFailure> togehter with the TestRunner. Testrunner shows the number of expectedFailures, but it always zero, even when I decorate with the Pragma. testShouldFail <expectedFailure> self fail. Thanks in advance!

July 28, 2011

Re: [Pharo-users] [Pharo-project] does anybody want to continue the comment of the day effort?

by Mariano Martinez Peck

On Sun, Jul 24, 2011 at 6:45 PM, laurent laffont <laurent.laffont(a)gmail.com>wrote: > On Sun, Jul 24, 2011 at 3:44 PM, StÃ©phane Ducasse < > stephane.ducasse(a)inria.fr> wrote: > >> yes but this is easy somebody pick a random class without comment and we >> all try to get a comment :) >> > > > yes. If somebody else want to lead the effort, just do it. > > Laurent. > > > >> >> On Jul 24, 2011, at 10:58 AM, laurent laffont wrote: >> >> > I will continue after my holidays. >> > >> > Laurent. >> > >> > On Sun, Jul 24, 2011 at 10:56 AM, Max Leske <maxleske(a)gmail.com> wrote: >> > Although I haven't had anything to contribute up to now, I vote to >> continue it. If there is a comment I can help with, I will. >> > >> > Max >> > >> > >> > On 24.07.2011, at 10:02, StÃ©phane Ducasse wrote: >> > >> > > HI guys >> > > >> > > does any of you want to continue the comment of the day effort? >> > > Because it was really important. >> > > >> > > Stef >> > > >> > >> > >> > >> >> >> > -- Mariano http://marianopeck.wordpress.com

July 28, 2011

Re: [Pharo-users] **Important Please read** Towards First Class Tasks

by Simon Denier

About the Pharo IDE task force, I think it would be cool if either Laurent in Annecy or Doru in Bern could organize a Dojo over a week-end. On 1 juil. 2011, at 10:40, StÃ©phane Ducasse wrote: > Dear Pharoers > > I think that we are doing a great work: when I look at the work on the theme, better widgets, network.....Excellent! and thanks. > Now we were discussing with Doru about how we as community could coordinate and structure ourselves better to create more energy. > > Analysis of the current situation: > Right now we have individuals doing great projects, sometimes we have a group of people but this is often not visible. > Now often happens a bit in ad-hoc way. Because someone ask something, then somebody replies and we integrate the replies. > > What I would like to see emerging are First Class Tasks with > a name > a topic > a coordinator > a group of interested participants, > a set of identified clients (because clients are the ones that often make us deliver more), > a little agenda, > a web presence on the web page > > > If we look at what we have right now that are potential Tasks and really important clients > > - The Z connection: > Network/Socket > Coordinator (proposed): Sven > Socket: Noury Luc Jannik Olivier > Clients: Seasiders, Clouders, > > - Morphic 2: > UI: Alain Gary Igor > Coordinator (proposed): ? > Presenty framework > VoidNullPointer UIBuilder > Athens > Clients: Moose, Pharo IDE > > - Pharo IDE: > Coordinator (proposed): Doru > work around TWM Laurent > Nautilus: Benjamin Laurent > Glamourous: Doru Damien > > - OPAL: > Compiler tool chain > Coordinator (proposed): Marcus? > Jb, Jorge, Marcus, > Helvetia lukas > Niko Schwarz? > > - Package: > Stef, Cyrille > Coordinator (proposed): Stephane > Client: Nautilus, Doru Moose, > > - Metacello > Dale Mariano > Coordinator (proposed): Dale? > Client: Stef with the idea of distribution, Torsten don't you want to help here? > > - Coral: > Coordinator (proposed): Damien? > Damien, Luc, Adrien, Stef, > Client: Damien, Olivier? > > So what would be good is to have the identification on the web site of these groups. > More discussions and concentration with a set of little tasks to be performed > We could tag the mails with [Task-UI], [Task-OPAL], have a little visible agenda. > > What do you think? I think that it is important. > > > > Stef > -- Simon Denier

July 28, 2011

Re: [Pharo-users] invalid utf8 input detected

by Sven Van Caekenberghe

Jon, On 27 Jul 2011, at 05:49, Jon Hancock wrote: > Also, anyone have a trick for capturing the full stack trace from a walkback or debugger as a text stream so I can copy into emails? There is a menu item 'Mail out bug report' when you select a frame in the debugger (there is also a 'File out'). HTH, Sven

July 27, 2011

Re: [Pharo-users] invalid utf8 input detected

by Sven Van Caekenberghe

On 27 Jul 2011, at 05:49, Jon Hancock wrote: > Thanks Sven. I'm using the latest Cog build on the latest pharo 1.3 build on linux with ubuntu system fonts loaded and am using in pharo the same font as my gEdit text editor which displays correctly. > Anyone know why this error occurs or why the fonts show up as question marks. I am trying to consider using pharo for some Chinese projects and need to ensure all string throughout pharo respect UTF8 well. Is the smalltalk code also stored in UTF8 form? > Also, anyone have a trick for capturing the full stack trace from a walkback or debugger as a text stream so I can copy into emails? I think one of the regular Linux users might be better placed to answer, as this relates to UX issues. Internally, Pharo uses Unicode. UTF8 is one of a list of possible encodings (and the most used one for non ASCII). What happens when you paste from the system clipboard to Pharo is some kind of import, propably with conversions going on. This necessarily depends on the VM and OS. On Mac OS X this seems to 'just work' as expected. In your case is seems to fail. Anyone better placed to help Jon ? Sven

July 27, 2011

Re: [Pharo-users] invalid utf8 input detected

by Jon Hancock

Thanks Sven. I'm using the latest Cog build on the latest pharo 1.3 build on linux with ubuntu system fonts loaded and am using in pharo the same font as my gEdit text editor which displays correctly. Anyone know why this error occurs or why the fonts show up as question marks. I am trying to consider using pharo for some Chinese projects and need to ensure all string throughout pharo respect UTF8 well. Is the smalltalk code also stored in UTF8 form? Also, anyone have a trick for capturing the full stack trace from a walkback or debugger as a text stream so I can copy into emails? thanks, Jon On 07/26/2011 02:55 AM, Sven Van Caekenberghe wrote: > Hi Jon, > > Welcome to Pharo! > > This seems to work for me: > > | cnString | > cnString := 'è¯·æ¶èæä»¬çç½å'. > cnString collect: [ :each | each charCode ] as: Array > > "Print It" > > #(35831 25910 34255 25105 20204 30340 32593 22336) > > I took the string from www.google.cn, I don't know what it meansâ¦ > > Mind you, due to font limitations, it shows as question marks in the workspace. > > I guess this depends on the OS/VM. I did this example in Pharo 1.2.2 on Mac OS X 10.7 using Croquet Closure Cog VM [CoInterpreter VMMaker-oscog.47] Pharo Cog VM. > > HTH, > > Sven > > On 26 Jul 2011, at 06:23, Jon Hancock wrote: > >> I'm not sure what to expect with UTF-8 encoding in Pharo. Can someone point me to some docs or past discussion? >> >> I have tried this today in pharo 1.3: >> >> 1 - in a workspace: cnString := ''. >> 2 - Now I go to Firefox and copy 4 simplified Chinese characters and try to paste this in between the quotes of the smalltalk string in the workspace. >> 3 - the paste operation throws "Error: Invalid utf8 input detected" >> >> The web page I'm copying from is utf-8 encoded. I can copy text from this page and paste into vim or gEdit just fine. >> The error is thrown by UTF8TextConvertor>>errorMalformedInput >> >> I would provide a stack trace...but being new to pharo, I'm not sure how to grab such a report without doing a screen capture. >> >> thanks, Jon >> >> >

July 27, 2011

Announcer question

by Werner Kassens

Hi, in the pharo book, morphs unsubscribe to an announcer in delete for garbage-collection, but what do i do, when a morph is not explicitely deleted, but its owner? i have mypanelmorph that subscribes to an announcer. it has a tabgroupmorph as its owner, which has a panelmorph as its owner, which has a systemwindow as its owner, which has a model, that knows absolutely nothing about mypanelmorph, but occasionally deletes panelmorph. is there a method in mypanelmorph, where i could put the unsubscription in, that would be called, when panelmorph will be deleted? werner

July 26, 2011

Re: [Pharo-users] invalid utf8 input detected

by Sven Van Caekenberghe

Hi Jon, Welcome to Pharo! This seems to work for me: | cnString | cnString := 'è¯·æ¶èæä»¬çç½å'. cnString collect: [ :each | each charCode ] as: Array "Print It" #(35831 25910 34255 25105 20204 30340 32593 22336) I took the string from www.google.cn, I don't know what it meansâ¦ Mind you, due to font limitations, it shows as question marks in the workspace. I guess this depends on the OS/VM. I did this example in Pharo 1.2.2 on Mac OS X 10.7 using Croquet Closure Cog VM [CoInterpreter VMMaker-oscog.47] Pharo Cog VM. HTH, Sven On 26 Jul 2011, at 06:23, Jon Hancock wrote: > I'm not sure what to expect with UTF-8 encoding in Pharo. Can someone point me to some docs or past discussion? > > I have tried this today in pharo 1.3: > > 1 - in a workspace: cnString := ''. > 2 - Now I go to Firefox and copy 4 simplified Chinese characters and try to paste this in between the quotes of the smalltalk string in the workspace. > 3 - the paste operation throws "Error: Invalid utf8 input detected" > > The web page I'm copying from is utf-8 encoded. I can copy text from this page and paste into vim or gEdit just fine. > The error is thrown by UTF8TextConvertor>>errorMalformedInput > > I would provide a stack trace...but being new to pharo, I'm not sure how to grab such a report without doing a screen capture. > > thanks, Jon > >

July 26, 2011

invalid utf8 input detected

by Jon Hancock

I'm not sure what to expect with UTF-8 encoding in Pharo. Can someone point me to some docs or past discussion? I have tried this today in pharo 1.3: 1 - in a workspace: cnString := ''. 2 - Now I go to Firefox and copy 4 simplified Chinese characters and try to paste this in between the quotes of the smalltalk string in the workspace. 3 - the paste operation throws "Error: Invalid utf8 input detected" The web page I'm copying from is utf-8 encoded. I can copy text from this page and paste into vim or gEdit just fine. The error is thrown by UTF8TextConvertor>>errorMalformedInput I would provide a stack trace...but being new to pharo, I'm not sure how to grab such a report without doing a screen capture. thanks, Jon

July 26, 2011

Re: [Pharo-users] [Pharo-project] **Important Please read** Towards First Class Tasks

by Marcus Denker

On Jul 24, 2011, at 10:29 AM, StÃ©phane Ducasse wrote: > Doru can you add the page on morphic on this list? > Marcus can you add a page to OPAL? > with pending todo? Ok, I will dot that. -- Marcus Denker Do it together: http://taskfor.us

July 25, 2011

Re: [Pharo-users] [Pharo-project] **Important Please read** Towards First Class Tasks

by StÃ©phane Ducasse

tx Stef On Jul 24, 2011, at 12:05 PM, Tudor Girba wrote: > Thanks. I entered a row for the Glamorous Toolkit. > > The next thing is to enter the issues. > > Doru > > > On 24 Jul 2011, at 11:35, Damien Cassou wrote: > >> On Sun, Jul 24, 2011 at 11:22 AM, Tudor Girba <tudor(a)tudorgirba.com> wrote: >>> I would do it if you give me access to edit the page. >> >> that should work with your tudor.girba(a)gmail.com account. >> >> -- >> Damien Cassou >> http://damiencassou.seasidehosting.st >> >> "Lambdas are relegated to relative obscurity until Java makes them >> popular by not having them." James Iry >> > > -- > www.tudorgirba.com > > "Yesterday is a fact. > Tomorrow is a possibility. > Today is a challenge." > > > >

July 24, 2011

Re: [Pharo-users] [Pharo-project] **Important Please read** Towards First Class Tasks

by Tudor Girba

Thanks. I entered a row for the Glamorous Toolkit. The next thing is to enter the issues. Doru On 24 Jul 2011, at 11:35, Damien Cassou wrote: > On Sun, Jul 24, 2011 at 11:22 AM, Tudor Girba <tudor(a)tudorgirba.com> wrote: >> I would do it if you give me access to edit the page. > > that should work with your tudor.girba(a)gmail.com account. > > -- > Damien Cassou > http://damiencassou.seasidehosting.st > > "Lambdas are relegated to relative obscurity until Java makes them > popular by not having them." James Iry > -- www.tudorgirba.com "Yesterday is a fact. Tomorrow is a possibility. Today is a challenge."

July 24, 2011

Re: [Pharo-users] [Pharo-project] **Important Please read** Towards First Class Tasks

by Tudor Girba

I would do it if you give me access to edit the page. Cheers, Doru On 24 Jul 2011, at 10:29, StÃ©phane Ducasse wrote: > Doru can you add the page on morphic on this list? > Marcus can you add a page to OPAL? > with pending todo? > Damien can you add one for Coral? > > > >> http://code.google.com/p/pharo/wiki/Teams > > > > I added RPackage > http://code.google.com/p/pharo/wiki/RPackageRoadmap > so that people can follow the effort. > > > Stef > > Here is what I wrote. > > > Introduction > > The current status is that RPackage works well with a one to one mapping package - category. > > Done: > > â¢ All the events have been migrated from systemNotifier to SystemAnnouncer?. The package SystemAnnouncement? is ready for inclusion. This means that RPackage does not rely on systemnotifier to keep its data in sync. This also means that SystemAnnouncer? can be folded in the system and that other tools can use it. And that we will be able to remove SystemNotifier?. Nautilus is only based on SystemNotifier?. > â¢ A lot of tests. In addition tests are written in a way that the central RPackageOrganizer is not impacted by test running. > â¢ Nautilus and Moose using RPackage. Nautilus is based on RPackage. Moose uses RPackage as a cache since months. > â¢ Identification of the clients using PackageInfo?. We started to identify clients of PackageInfo? to prepare migration phase. > Next steps: > > â¢ Clean RPackage (because some functionality were copied from PackageInfo?): > â¢ Problem Gofer and the some package of RefactoringEngine? rely on this API > â¢ Solution: include Refactoring packages in 1.4 and modify it there. In 1.4 we want OCompletion, Ecompletion and Refactoring in the image so this fits well. In subsequent versions we may republish them as separate packages. > â¢ Adding Package Tags. Since people do not want (but have no time to do it - funny isn't) to have one -one mapping between category and package. We will add tags the idea is to be able to have classes sorted inside a package. > Pack1 > - Tag1 > ClassA > ClassB > - Tag2 > ClassC > ClassD > ClassA > Pack2 > - Tag1 > - Tag3 > â¢ MC shoud use RPackage to save information > â¢ Tags should be saved in MC package > â¢ New MC Browser -- www.tudorgirba.com "To lead is not to demand things, it is to make them happen."

July 24, 2011

Re: [Pharo-users] **Important Please read** Towards First Class Tasks

by StÃ©phane Ducasse

Doru can you add the page on morphic on this list? Marcus can you add a page to OPAL? with pending todo? Damien can you add one for Coral? > http://code.google.com/p/pharo/wiki/Teams I added RPackage http://code.google.com/p/pharo/wiki/RPackageRoadmap so that people can follow the effort. Stef Here is what I wrote. Introduction The current status is that RPackage works well with a one to one mapping package - category. Done: â¢ All the events have been migrated from systemNotifier to SystemAnnouncer?. The package SystemAnnouncement? is ready for inclusion. This means that RPackage does not rely on systemnotifier to keep its data in sync. This also means that SystemAnnouncer? can be folded in the system and that other tools can use it. And that we will be able to remove SystemNotifier?. Nautilus is only based on SystemNotifier?. â¢ A lot of tests. In addition tests are written in a way that the central RPackageOrganizer is not impacted by test running. â¢ Nautilus and Moose using RPackage. Nautilus is based on RPackage. Moose uses RPackage as a cache since months. â¢ Identification of the clients using PackageInfo?. We started to identify clients of PackageInfo? to prepare migration phase. Next steps: â¢ Clean RPackage (because some functionality were copied from PackageInfo?): â¢ Problem Gofer and the some package of RefactoringEngine? rely on this API â¢ Solution: include Refactoring packages in 1.4 and modify it there. In 1.4 we want OCompletion, Ecompletion and Refactoring in the image so this fits well. In subsequent versions we may republish them as separate packages. â¢ Adding Package Tags. Since people do not want (but have no time to do it - funny isn't) to have one -one mapping between category and package. We will add tags the idea is to be able to have classes sorted inside a package. Pack1 - Tag1 ClassA ClassB - Tag2 ClassC ClassD ClassA Pack2 - Tag1 - Tag3 â¢ MC shoud use RPackage to save information â¢ Tags should be saved in MC package â¢ New MC Browser

July 24, 2011

[PBE-Spanish] Status update 2011-07-21

by Christian Caldeiro

Hi, Nico I can help with the revision. Please tell me how. Saludos Christian On Jul 22, 2011, at 6:19 AM, NicolÃ¡s Paez wrote: > Hello everyone, > > I glad to announce that we have reached Code Complete, that is, ALL the chapters has been translated. > Now is time to start with the revision phase in order to have the final version before Smalltalks 2011 (November). > If you want to help with the revision and have enough time to read 3* chapters within a month, just contact me. > > *(we want each reviewer to read 3 chapters in order to ensure not only the translation itself but also the consistency between chapter, and the time frame of n1 month is just to be able to complete the work before November) > > Saludos! > NicoPaez. > blog: nicopaez.wordpress.com

July 22, 2011

Re: [Pharo-users] [PBE-Spanish] Status update 2011-07-21

by StÃ©phane Ducasse

Excellent news! I love your process (as usual). STef On Jul 22, 2011, at 6:19 AM, NicolÃ¡s Paez wrote: > Hello everyone, > > I glad to announce that we have reached Code Complete, that is, ALL the chapters has been translated. > Now is time to start with the revision phase in order to have the final version before Smalltalks 2011 (November). > If you want to help with the revision and have enough time to read 3* chapters within a month, just contact me. > > *(we want each reviewer to read 3 chapters in order to ensure not only the translation itself but also the consistency between chapter, and the time frame of n1 month is just to be able to complete the work before November) > > Saludos! > NicoPaez. > blog: nicopaez.wordpress.com

July 22, 2011

[PBE-Spanish] Status update 2011-07-21

by NicolÃ¡s Paez

Hello everyone, I glad to announce that we have reached Code Complete, that is, ALL the chapters has been translated. Now is time to start with the revision phase in order to have the final version before Smalltalks 2011 (November). If you want to help with the revision and have enough time to read 3* chapters within a month, just contact me. *(we want each reviewer to read 3 chapters in order to ensure not only the translation itself but also the consistency between chapter, and the time frame of n1 month is just to be able to complete the work before November) Saludos! NicoPaez. blog: nicopaez.wordpress.com

July 22, 2011

Re: [Pharo-users] [Metacello] Aw: Re: Using SqueakSource / Metacello "offline"

by jtuchel

Hi again, I just wanted to let you know I could solve the problem with Norbert's and Dale' help. And here is a little writeup of how I did it: http://joachimtuchel.wordpress.com/2011/07/21/pharo-how-to-load-a-metacello… Thanks guys! In the meantime, I am wondering if the idea of having a tool that extracts a complete Configuration from a repo isn't helpful for more scenarios than the one I've mentioned here. In most companies, you have to hand the complete source code of a specific product version into a special version control system, so an extract of a repo that includes a complete ConfigurationOfXXX with all required packages in their specific versions is exactly what's needed for this. Joachim

July 21, 2011

Time resolution: which class should I use for millisecond resolution?

by Alex Schenkman

Hi list: Looking at the implementation of Time and DateAndTime it seems to me that the the resolution for this classes is one second. Which class would be best suited for a more precise time stamp? Thank in advance!

July 21, 2011

Re: [Pharo-users] [Metacello] Aw: Re: Using SqueakSource / Metacello "offline"

by jtuchel

Mariano, I can download the mcz's using a web browser, but not from the Pharo Image. This has nothing to do with Pharo, but with the way the web proxy is set up here - it's a policy of the company. The same problem applies to any other application that's not accepted by the Proxy. I don't have the proxy settings due to the company's policy, so I cannot tell if I have a Pharo problem. Let's assume my machine is offline or I have too little bandwidth to download packages, but I can get them on a CD or USB stick, and I'd have the very same situation. BTW: I am using 1.2.1 at the moment Joachim

July 21, 2011

Re: [Pharo-users] [Metacello] Aw: Re: Using SqueakSource / Metacello "offline"

by Mariano Martinez Peck

Why #fetch: cannot work behind a proxy? I didn't understand when he said "I can, however, download packages using the Browser" which browser? firefox or monticello browser? Why you #fetch: cannot go behind proxy if the proxy settings are defined in the image? There was a bug with Pharo 1.3 about this but it was fixed in latest version. Which pharo version are you using? did you try to specify proxy settings? cheers On Wed, Jul 20, 2011 at 7:52 PM, Dale Henrichs <dhenrich(a)vmware.com> wrote: > Joachim, > > You are on the right track with using fetch in an image that is outside the > firewall ... zip up the directory of mcz files and you are off to the races. > > BTW, you don't need an "empty" image if you set ignoreImage to true before > doing the fetch: > > version ignoreImage: true. > > Dale > > > ----- Original Message ----- > | From: "jtuchel" <jtuchel(a)objektfabrik.de> > | To: metacello(a)googlegroups.com > | Cc: "A friendly place where any question about pharo is welcome" < > pharo-users(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr> > | Sent: Wednesday, July 20, 2011 10:44:46 AM > | Subject: [Metacello] Aw: Re: [Pharo-users] Using SqueakSource / Metacello > "offline" > | > | Hi Norbert, > | > | > | thank you for the links. > | > | > | One question remains unanswered: is there a way to determine which > | .mcz files are needed without using #fetch (because fetch doesn't > | work behind the proxy)? I guess the answer is no, because I have no > | way of looking into the required Configurations that are unfetched. > | So I need to use a local directory and try step by step and download > | the mcz that is currently missing... oh my. > | > | > | Or can I use a fresh image on a machine in another network to fetch > | all and copy the contents of my package cache onto the target > | machine??? > | > | > | Joachim > -- Mariano http://marianopeck.wordpress.com

July 21, 2011

Re: [Pharo-users] Recover lost changes

by StÃ©phane Ducasse

because the changes formats does not support a declarative format (I'm dreaming of and that could be based on ring). So the current implementation fits everything in doit so the tools would have to scan expressions to identify the corresponding actions... I hope that one day we will be able to fix that. Stef On Jul 19, 2011, at 5:37 PM, Benjamin wrote: > Why this tool do not register > - class creation > - class removal > - class definition changes > - method removal > > ?? > > I was doing huge refactor when the VM crashed ... Now I am doomed :s > > I hate wasting my time :s > > > Ben >

July 20, 2011

Re: [Pharo-users] [Metacello] Aw: Re: Using SqueakSource / Metacello "offline"

by Dale Henrichs

Joachim, You are on the right track with using fetch in an image that is outside the firewall ... zip up the directory of mcz files and you are off to the races. BTW, you don't need an "empty" image if you set ignoreImage to true before doing the fetch: version ignoreImage: true. Dale ----- Original Message ----- | From: "jtuchel" <jtuchel(a)objektfabrik.de> | To: metacello(a)googlegroups.com | Cc: "A friendly place where any question about pharo is welcome" <pharo-users(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr> | Sent: Wednesday, July 20, 2011 10:44:46 AM | Subject: [Metacello] Aw: Re: [Pharo-users] Using SqueakSource / Metacello "offline" | | Hi Norbert, | | | thank you for the links. | | | One question remains unanswered: is there a way to determine which | .mcz files are needed without using #fetch (because fetch doesn't | work behind the proxy)? I guess the answer is no, because I have no | way of looking into the required Configurations that are unfetched. | So I need to use a local directory and try step by step and download | the mcz that is currently missing... oh my. | | | Or can I use a fresh image on a machine in another network to fetch | all and copy the contents of my package cache onto the target | machine??? | | | Joachim

July 20, 2011

Re: [Pharo-users] Using SqueakSource / Metacello "offline"

by jtuchel

Hi Norbert, thank you for the links. One question remains unanswered: is there a way to determine which .mcz files are needed without using #fetch (because fetch doesn't work behind the proxy)? I guess the answer is no, because I have no way of looking into the required Configurations that are unfetched. So I need to use a local directory and try step by step and download the mcz that is currently missing... oh my. Or can I use a fresh image on a machine in another network to fetch all and copy the contents of my package cache onto the target machine??? Joachim

July 20, 2011

Re: [Pharo-users] Using SqueakSource / Metacello "offline"

by Norbert Hartl

Am 20.07.2011 um 10:39 schrieb jtuchel: > Hi there, > > I need to load packages from SqueakSource into an image that sits on a > machine behind a proxy that won't let me download from Squeaksource. I can, > however, download packages using the Browser. The problem for me is that > ConfigurationOfSeaside30, for example, requires a lot of packages to be > loaded first. > > So I know I can donload all the .mcz files from Squeaksource and copy them > to my local PackageCache, but I am looking for a way to find out which ones > I need. Is manually extracting the info from the ConfigurationOfSeaside30 > class the only way to do that? > > And how would I go about using ConfigurationOfSeaside30 to use my package > cache instead of the online repositories? > > Any ideas? > Please have a look at http://code.google.com/p/metacello/ especially look at the FAQ that has two answers for your questions http://code.google.com/p/metacello/wiki/FAQ#How_do_I_create_a_local_cache_r… http://code.google.com/p/metacello/wiki/FAQ#How_do_I_override_the_repositor… If you have further questions you can ask them in the metacello list: http://groups.google.com/group/metacello Norbert P.S.: I'm crossposting this to the list

July 20, 2011

Using SqueakSource / Metacello "offline"

by jtuchel

Hi there, I need to load packages from SqueakSource into an image that sits on a machine behind a proxy that won't let me download from Squeaksource. I can, however, download packages using the Browser. The problem for me is that ConfigurationOfSeaside30, for example, requires a lot of packages to be loaded first. So I know I can donload all the .mcz files from Squeaksource and copy them to my local PackageCache, but I am looking for a way to find out which ones I need. Is manually extracting the info from the ConfigurationOfSeaside30 class the only way to do that? And how would I go about using ConfigurationOfSeaside30 to use my package cache instead of the online repositories? Any ideas? Joachim -- View this message in context: http://forum.world.st/Using-SqueakSource-Metacello-offline-tp3680237p368023… Sent from the Pharo Smalltalk Users mailing list archive at Nabble.com.

July 20, 2011

Re: [Pharo-users] install system fonts on linux

by Igor Stasenko

On 20 July 2011 02:28, Jon Hancock <jhancock(a)shellshadow.com> wrote: > I did as suggested and downloaded latest cog.zip from > https://pharo-ic.lille.inria.fr/hudson/job/Cog%20Unix/ > I stubbled about the PharoOneClick1.3.app directory structure. Â This I also > retrieved from Hudson build: > https://pharo-ic.lille.inria.fr/hudson/view/Pharo/job/Pharo%201.3/lastSucce…. > I'm assuming this is cog based. Â But how do I tell which VM it is as I see > the executable in all one-click download scripts such as PharoOneClick1.3.sh > referencing squeak or squeakvm, yet the cog.zip file names the executable > 'CogVM'?? > yes. from command line type: ./CogVM <path to your image> while running image you could evaluate: Smalltalk vmVersion to get the version information about VM you running. > So I see under Contents/Linux a few .so files that are also in the cog.zip I > download. Â I see that libFT2Plugin.so is in cog.zip but not in > PharoOneClick1.3.app/Contents/Linux. Â So I try copying this over in the > hopes that the FT in the file name alludes to FreeType. Â But no luck. > one-click bundles contains pretty old VMs. And the plugin compiled for CogVM won't work with them because the version of VM interface (interpreterProxy) is different. We're not building a one-click bundles with updated VM yet. But we plan to do it in future. > Any more ideas? Â Some pointers on docs or discussion thread on how plugins > work, how to tell which vm is in use, why the FreeType plugin is no longer > included in the one-click builds, etc may be useful. > Freetype plugin comes as a third-party plugin. And not all VM maintainers are not including it by default. With Hudson i made sure it is built and included into .zips, so people could again use it. > thanks, Jon -- Best regards, Igor Stasenko AKA sig.

July 19, 2011

Re: [Pharo-users] install system fonts on linux

by Jon Hancock

I did as suggested and downloaded latest cog.zip from https://pharo-ic.lille.inria.fr/hudson/job/Cog%20Unix/ I stubbled about the PharoOneClick1.3.app directory structure. This I also retrieved from Hudson build: https://pharo-ic.lille.inria.fr/hudson/view/Pharo/job/Pharo%201.3/lastSucce…. I'm assuming this is cog based. But how do I tell which VM it is as I see the executable in all one-click download scripts such as PharoOneClick1.3.sh referencing squeak or squeakvm, yet the cog.zip file names the executable 'CogVM'?? So I see under Contents/Linux a few .so files that are also in the cog.zip I download. I see that libFT2Plugin.so is in cog.zip but not in PharoOneClick1.3.app/Contents/Linux. So I try copying this over in the hopes that the FT in the file name alludes to FreeType. But no luck. Any more ideas? Some pointers on docs or discussion thread on how plugins work, how to tell which vm is in use, why the FreeType plugin is no longer included in the one-click builds, etc may be useful. thanks, Jon On 07/19/2011 02:30 PM, Igor Stasenko wrote: > On 19 July 2011 18:26, Jon Hancock<jhancock(a)shellshadow.com> wrote: >> In pharo 1.1, in the settings manager, I can "Update fonts from system" and >> have access to all/most ubuntu fonts. This works on Ubuntu 10.04 and Mint >> 10 (ubuntu 10.10). With pharo 1.2.1 and 1.3, I get nothing. I'm left with >> DejuVu and Accuny. Does anyone know a solution for this? >> > Please try using vms built on hudson: > https://pharo-ic.lille.inria.fr/hudson/job/Stack%20VM%20Unix/ > or > https://pharo-ic.lille.inria.fr/hudson/job/Cog%20Unix/ > > because if VM doesn't have freetype plugin, an image will just ignore > all requests to update from system. > >> thanks, Jon >> >> > >

July 19, 2011