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Re: [Pharo-users] [ANN] PharoDev-1.3-13201

by Marcus Denker

On May 16, 2011, at 10:52 AM, Francois Stephany wrote: > Thanks Mariano ! > > I know this was discussed in Pharo-project ML but will we still have a Core and Dev version ? I'm a bit lost... > I think we should find a way to have just one artefact *as soon as possible*. The Core/Dev doube maintance is taking away *a lot* of energy, at least a lot of my personal energy. Marcus -- Marcus Denker -- http://www.marcusdenker.de INRIA Lille -- Nord Europe. Team RMoD.

May 16, 2011

Re: [Pharo-users] [ANN] PharoDev-1.3-13201

by Francois Stephany

Thanks Mariano ! I know this was discussed in Pharo-project ML but will we still have a Core and Dev version ? I'm a bit lost... Cheers, Fa On 15/05/11 23:10, Mariano Martinez Peck wrote: > Hi. IMPORTANT: This is not the final 1.3 release, it just one simple > snapshot and one point. > > This image is based in PharoCore 1.3 13201 and includes also several > fixes for the external packages like OB. Thanks to Fernando the > Transcript is now much better. > > The image is here: > https://gforge.inria.fr/frs/download.php/28547/Pharo-1.3-13201.zip > And it was build by Hudson: > https://pharo-ic.lille.inria.fr/hudson/view/Pharo/job/Pharo%201.3/150/ > > Nile was removed from dev image which means there are only 3 failing > tests :) > > Best regards, > > -- > Mariano > http://marianopeck.wordpress.com >

May 16, 2011

Re: [Pharo-users] [ANN] PharoDev-1.3-13201

by GermÃ¡n Arduino

Thanks Mariano! Is important to have a direct download of the latest tools (I had several updating problems trying to do it myself, and not time to examine in detail). Cheers. 2011/5/15 Mariano Martinez Peck <marianopeck(a)gmail.com>: > Hi. IMPORTANT: This is not the final 1.3 release, it just one simple > snapshot and one point. > > This image is based in PharoCore 1.3 13201 and includes also several fixes > for the external packages like OB. Thanks to Fernando the Transcript is now > much better. > > The image is here: > https://gforge.inria.fr/frs/download.php/28547/Pharo-1.3-13201.zip > And it was build by Hudson: > https://pharo-ic.lille.inria.fr/hudson/view/Pharo/job/Pharo%201.3/150/ > > Nile was removed from dev image which means there are only 3 failing tests > :) > > Best regards, > > -- > Mariano > http://marianopeck.wordpress.com > >

May 15, 2011

[ANN] PharoDev-1.3-13201

by Mariano Martinez Peck

Hi. IMPORTANT: This is not the final 1.3 release, it just one simple snapshot and one point. This image is based in PharoCore 1.3 13201 and includes also several fixes for the external packages like OB. Thanks to Fernando the Transcript is now much better. The image is here: https://gforge.inria.fr/frs/download.php/28547/Pharo-1.3-13201.zip And it was build by Hudson: https://pharo-ic.lille.inria.fr/hudson/view/Pharo/job/Pharo%201.3/150/ Nile was removed from dev image which means there are only 3 failing tests :) Best regards, -- Mariano http://marianopeck.wordpress.com

May 15, 2011

Re: [Pharo-users] [COTDC] 64 - UrlArgumentList

by laurent laffont

On Fri, May 13, 2011 at 9:29 PM, laurent laffont <laurent.laffont(a)gmail.com>wrote: > Today: UrlArgumentList > Someone use it ? No references in the image ...... Laurent. > > > Comment Of The Day Contest - One Day One Comment > Rules: > #1: Each day a not commented class is elected. Each day the best comment > will be integrated with name of the author(s). > #2: If you cannot comment it, deprecate it. > Results: http://code.google.com/p/pharo/wiki/CommentOfTheDayContest > > Laurent >

May 15, 2011

Re: [Pharo-users] [Pharo-project] Need someone to lead Fix of the Day contest [WAS] Re: Need help with 1.3 Full Image

by Marcus Denker

On May 15, 2011, at 12:17 AM, Pat Maddox wrote: > On May 14, 2011, at 12:50 PM, Marcus Denker wrote: > >> >> On May 14, 2011, at 8:54 PM, Pat Maddox wrote: >>> >>> That would be awesome! I was looking at the bug tracker (http://code.google.com/p/pharo/issues/list#) yesterday to see if there were things that I could help with...but even when looking at "open" issues, many of them are several years old, and have a state of "Accepted." So as someone not actively involved in pharo development, I have absolutely no clue what actually needs to be fixed. >>> >>> I'd like to help, the bug tracker doesn't give me much guidance (or at least I'd benefit from an explanation of how it's structured), and so guidance from someone who's active would be really helpful. >>> >> So the best thing is to just do exactly that: Write that it's unclear what needs to be done. >> >> Every Issue on the tracker should have a clear "next action needed to be done to move this forward" defined. I not, than the next action is to define the next action. > > So what's the deal with these 261 Accepted tickets? Have they been fixed and committed to Pharo? No. Everything not shown has been dealt with. (3792 Issues to date). All the ones shown (435) require action. Some of that action might "this has already been fixed" "this is not a good idea"... > or have they simply been acknowledged as a problem? > The states "new" and "accepted" are not really well used right now... one problem is thart issues created by developers are automatically "Accepted", so it's not much of a guidance. > When viewing open tickets, here are the statuses I see: > * Accepted > * Comment > * FixProposed > * FixedWaitingToBePharoed > * New > * Started We should change that... maybe we should have a more "next action" based system. "NextActionNeeded" "SourceNeeded" "CodeReviewNeeded" .... -- Marcus Denker -- http://www.marcusdenker.de INRIA Lille -- Nord Europe. Team RMoD.

May 15, 2011

Re: [Pharo-users] [Pharo-project] Need someone to lead Fix of the Day contest [WAS] Re: Need help with 1.3 Full Image

by StÃ©phane Ducasse

On May 15, 2011, at 8:07 AM, laurent laffont wrote: > Another idea is to have the issues list sorted by id desc (most recent on top) instead of older ones on top. yes but no idea how to do that. > > Laurent. > > On Sat, May 14, 2011 at 10:04 PM, Mariano Martinez Peck <marianopeck(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > On Sat, May 14, 2011 at 8:53 PM, Pat Maddox <patmaddox(a)me.com> wrote: > On May 14, 2011, at 9:53 AM, laurent laffont wrote: > >> On Sat, May 14, 2011 at 6:30 PM, Mariano Martinez Peck <marianopeck(a)gmail.com> wrote: >> >> >> I try to solve some issue in the issues tracker from time to time, but >> it's often difficult >> when outside your expertise. So doing it with others might definitively help. >> >> >> Fix of the day contest has the advantage of being compatible with every people timezone / agenda. >> >> We can also synchronize CODTC and FOTDC in order to comment classes related to the fix. >> >> Now we just need someone to lead the FOTDC. I already do COTDC so is there a good soul ? >> >> >> well, I've started by renaming the thread and attaching Pharo-users. >> >> Laurent, maybe you should clarify what "lead" exactly means. >> >> >> Everyday: >> - choose an issue for the contest >> - write it to the mailing list >> - push to ask help >> - contest is done when a slice is put in inbox >> >> >> Indeed, much like COTDC is. >> >> Laurent. > > That would be awesome! I was looking at the bug tracker (http://code.google.com/p/pharo/issues/list#) yesterday to see if there were things that I could help with...but even when looking at "open" issues, many of them are several years old, and have a state of "Accepted." So as someone not actively involved in pharo development, I have absolutely no clue what actually needs to be fixed. > > I'd like to help, the bug tracker doesn't give me much guidance (or at least I'd benefit from an explanation of how it's structured), and so guidance from someone who's active would be really helpful. > > > You can also check those tagged as milestone 1.3 which means that they "should" be more or less new. > http://code.google.com/p/pharo/issues/list?can=2&q=Milestone%3D1.3+&colspec… > > cheers > > > -- > Mariano > http://marianopeck.wordpress.com > >

May 15, 2011

Re: [Pharo-users] [Pharo-project] Need someone to lead Fix of the Day contest [WAS] Re: Need help with 1.3 Full Image

by laurent laffont

On Sun, May 15, 2011 at 12:17 AM, Pat Maddox <patmaddox(a)me.com> wrote: > On May 14, 2011, at 12:50 PM, Marcus Denker wrote: > > > > > On May 14, 2011, at 8:54 PM, Pat Maddox wrote: > >> > >> That would be awesome! I was looking at the bug tracker ( > http://code.google.com/p/pharo/issues/list#) yesterday to see if there > were things that I could help with...but even when looking at "open" issues, > many of them are several years old, and have a state of "Accepted." So as > someone not actively involved in pharo development, I have absolutely no > clue what actually needs to be fixed. > >> > >> I'd like to help, the bug tracker doesn't give me much guidance (or at > least I'd benefit from an explanation of how it's structured), and so > guidance from someone who's active would be really helpful. > >> > > So the best thing is to just do exactly that: Write that it's unclear > what needs to be done. > > > > Every Issue on the tracker should have a clear "next action needed to be > done to move this forward" defined. I not, than the next action is to define > the next action. > > So what's the deal with these 261 Accepted tickets? Have they been fixed > and committed to Pharo? or have they simply been acknowledged as a problem? > > When viewing open tickets, here are the statuses I see: > * Accepted > * Comment > * FixProposed > * FixedWaitingToBePharoed > * New > * Started > > I don't really know how to interpret all of them. > See screenshot. Laurent. > > Anyway, I guess I'll just go down the list for stuff that looks > interesting, and ask what needs to be done. > > Pat > >

May 15, 2011

Re: [Pharo-users] [Pharo-project] Need someone to lead Fix of the Day contest [WAS] Re: Need help with 1.3 Full Image

by laurent laffont

Another idea is to have the issues list sorted by id desc (most recent on top) instead of older ones on top. Laurent. On Sat, May 14, 2011 at 10:04 PM, Mariano Martinez Peck < marianopeck(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > On Sat, May 14, 2011 at 8:53 PM, Pat Maddox <patmaddox(a)me.com> wrote: > >> On May 14, 2011, at 9:53 AM, laurent laffont wrote: >> >> On Sat, May 14, 2011 at 6:30 PM, Mariano Martinez Peck < >> marianopeck(a)gmail.com> wrote: >> >>> >>> >>>>> I try to solve some issue in the issues tracker from time to time, but >>>>> it's often difficult >>>>> when outside your expertise. So doing it with others might definitively >>>>> help. >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Fix of the day contest has the advantage of being compatible with every >>>> people timezone / agenda. >>>> >>>> We can also synchronize CODTC and FOTDC in order to comment classes >>>> related to the fix. >>>> >>>> Now we just need someone to lead the FOTDC. I already do COTDC so is >>>> there a good soul ? >>>> >>>> >>> well, I've started by renaming the thread and attaching Pharo-users. >>> >>> Laurent, maybe you should clarify what "lead" exactly means. >>> >> >> >> Everyday: >> - choose an issue for the contest >> - write it to the mailing list >> - push to ask help >> - contest is done when a slice is put in inbox >> >> >> Indeed, much like COTDC is. >> >> Laurent. >> >> >> That would be awesome! I was looking at the bug tracker ( >> http://code.google.com/p/pharo/issues/list#) yesterday to see if there >> were things that I could help with...but even when looking at "open" issues, >> many of them are several years old, and have a state of "Accepted." So as >> someone not actively involved in pharo development, I have absolutely no >> clue what actually needs to be fixed. >> >> I'd like to help, the bug tracker doesn't give me much guidance (or at >> least I'd benefit from an explanation of how it's structured), and so >> guidance from someone who's active would be really helpful. >> > > > You can also check those tagged as milestone 1.3 which means that they > "should" be more or less new. > > http://code.google.com/p/pharo/issues/list?can=2&q=Milestone%3D1.3+&colspec… > > cheers > > > -- > Mariano > http://marianopeck.wordpress.com > >

May 15, 2011

Re: [Pharo-users] [Pharo-project] Need someone to lead Fix of the Day contest [WAS] Re: Need help with 1.3 Full Image

by Pat Maddox

On May 14, 2011, at 12:50 PM, Marcus Denker wrote: > > On May 14, 2011, at 8:54 PM, Pat Maddox wrote: >> >> That would be awesome! I was looking at the bug tracker (http://code.google.com/p/pharo/issues/list#) yesterday to see if there were things that I could help with...but even when looking at "open" issues, many of them are several years old, and have a state of "Accepted." So as someone not actively involved in pharo development, I have absolutely no clue what actually needs to be fixed. >> >> I'd like to help, the bug tracker doesn't give me much guidance (or at least I'd benefit from an explanation of how it's structured), and so guidance from someone who's active would be really helpful. >> > So the best thing is to just do exactly that: Write that it's unclear what needs to be done. > > Every Issue on the tracker should have a clear "next action needed to be done to move this forward" defined. I not, than the next action is to define the next action. So what's the deal with these 261 Accepted tickets? Have they been fixed and committed to Pharo? or have they simply been acknowledged as a problem? When viewing open tickets, here are the statuses I see: * Accepted * Comment * FixProposed * FixedWaitingToBePharoed * New * Started I don't really know how to interpret all of them. Anyway, I guess I'll just go down the list for stuff that looks interesting, and ask what needs to be done. Pat

May 14, 2011