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Re: [Pharo-users] [Pharo-project] Need someone to lead Fix of the Day contest [WAS] Re: Need help with 1.3 Full Image

by laurent laffont

Laurent Laffont - @lolgzs <http://twitter.com/#!/lolgzs> Pharo Smalltalk Screencasts: http://www.pharocasts.com/ Blog: http://magaloma.blogspot.com/ Developer group: http://cara74.seasidehosting.st On Sat, May 14, 2011 at 7:37 PM, Mariano Martinez Peck < marianopeck(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > On Sat, May 14, 2011 at 6:53 PM, laurent laffont < > laurent.laffont(a)gmail.com> wrote: > >> On Sat, May 14, 2011 at 6:30 PM, Mariano Martinez Peck < >> marianopeck(a)gmail.com> wrote: >> >>> >>> >>>>> I try to solve some issue in the issues tracker from time to time, but >>>>> it's often difficult >>>>> when outside your expertise. So doing it with others might definitively >>>>> help. >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Fix of the day contest has the advantage of being compatible with every >>>> people timezone / agenda. >>>> >>>> We can also synchronize CODTC and FOTDC in order to comment classes >>>> related to the fix. >>>> >>>> Now we just need someone to lead the FOTDC. I already do COTDC so is >>>> there a good soul ? >>>> >>>> >>> well, I've started by renaming the thread and attaching Pharo-users. >>> >>> Laurent, maybe you should clarify what "lead" exactly means. >>> >> >> >> Everyday: >> - choose an issue for the contest >> - write it to the mailing list >> - push to ask help >> - contest is done when a slice is put in inbox >> >> Someone ? Laurent. > >> > > hehehehe I thought you were a bot/cron/robot ;) > > > > >> Indeed, much like COTDC is. >> >> Laurent. >> >> >> >> >>> >>> Cheers >>> >>> Mariano >>> >>> >>> >>>> Laurent >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> >>>>> Regards, >>>>> -- >>>>> Serge Stinckwich >>>>> UMI UMMISCO 209 (IRD/UPMC), Hanoi, Vietnam >>>>> Every DSL ends up being Smalltalk >>>>> http://doesnotunderstand.org/ >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Mariano >>> http://marianopeck.wordpress.com >>> >>> >> > > > -- > Mariano > http://marianopeck.wordpress.com > >

May 19, 2011

[COTDC] 67 - TextStyleAsFontFamily

by laurent laffont

Today: TextStyleAsFontFamily Come on guys, COTDC needs YOU !! Comment Of The Day Contest - One Day One Comment Rules: #1: Each day a not commented class is elected. Each day the best comment will be integrated with name of the author(s). #2: If you cannot comment it, deprecate it. Results: http://code.google.com/p/pharo/wiki/CommentOfTheDayContest Laurent

May 19, 2011

Re: [Pharo-users] [COTDC] 66 - LogicalFont

by laurent laffont

On Tue, May 17, 2011 at 8:25 PM, laurent laffont <laurent.laffont(a)gmail.com>wrote: > Today: LogicalFont > I describe a font. (no better idea.......) Laurent > > > Comment Of The Day Contest - One Day One Comment > Rules: > #1: Each day a not commented class is elected. Each day the best comment > will be integrated with name of the author(s). > #2: If you cannot comment it, deprecate it. > Results: http://code.google.com/p/pharo/wiki/CommentOfTheDayContest > > Laurent >

May 19, 2011

Re: [Pharo-users] [Seaside-dev] Re: [Esug-list] [ANN] SmallHarbour project

by Dale Henrichs

On May 18, 2011, at 4:02 AM, Nick Ager wrote: Hi, We are in the process of adding support for deploying GLASS applications into the Cloud Foundry, but I wouldn't mind helping folks who are interested in adding support for other Smalltalks into the Cloud Foundry ... The Cloud Foundry is written largely in ruby, so you'll need to be wearing your ruby dancing shoes:) There certainly a lot of (justified) buzz around CloudFoundry at the moment. Building CloudFoundry infrastructure for Smalltalk deployment would appear to be a great approach - married with a hosting service that provides that infrastructure as a service. Nick <ATT00001..txt> Nick, VMware will/is providing a hosting service based on cloud foundry, but there is an open source variant of cloud foundry that can be used by others to provide hosting services ... Dale

May 18, 2011

Re: [Pharo-users] [Pharo-project] [Esug-list] [ANN] SmallHarbour project

by Norbert Hartl

Am 18.05.2011 um 13:15 schrieb Sean Allen: > > 11) We currently require infrastructure support for https eg stunnel or reverse proxy through a webserver eg http://www.monkeysnatchbanana.com/posts/2010/06/23/reverse-proxying-to-seas… > > actually that link is... http://www.monkeysnatchbanana.com/posts/2010/06/22/faking-a-https-client-fo… > just for posterity. > Just for the record. I used stunnel for a short while. But then the need for the use of client certificates arose (I'm implementing an apple push notification server). A very easy way to add SSL handling is to write a little server in node.js [1]. It supports SSL and client certificates out of the box. It could act as an intelligent proxy for SSL handling. If the use cases are known I could even provide a small node proxy. It is written in javascript and might be interesting for some to learn javascript on the server side. Node.js btw. is a cool server to know :) Norbert [1] http://nodejs.org/

May 18, 2011

Re: [Pharo-users] [Esug-list] [ANN] SmallHarbour project

by Davorin Rusevljan

On Wed, May 18, 2011 at 12:08 PM, Joachim Tuchel <jtuchel(a)objektfabrik.de> wrote: > So what would be better? > > I think a collection of cookbooks would. Maybe defining layers of a web app, > starting from the Browser through all layers of functionality to the data > backend, and collecting material for each of them would be much better. If > I'm interested in a load-balanced, https-aware installation of a Squeak > Image that persists data in Magma, I can choose appropriate documentation > for each layer. Some layers may not be deeply related to Smalltalk at all, > then we could add links to relevant information (like how do I configure > Apache as a load balancer with Sticky sessions?), while others might be > deeply related to Smalltalk. yes, cookbooks would be nice. We also need simple, reliable, no investigation, no fuss, low effort way to deploy most common forms of smalltalk web app or pier blog. If you want fancy stuff you go for recipes or forge one for yourself. But for most common cases it would be great if it would be smooth and reliable. We need distilled, reliable and maintained most common cases, and it seems that this is also one of the goals of SmallHarbour. It is like Linux and its distributions. Linux can be anything, which is great, but distribution makes it much more usable in some domain. just my 2 lipas, Davorin Rusevljan http://www.cloud208.com/

May 18, 2011

Re: [Pharo-users] [Esug-list] [ANN] SmallHarbour project

by laurent laffont

Thanks a lot Nick for your feedback, it is helpful. Laurent. On Wed, May 18, 2011 at 9:46 AM, Nick Ager <nick.ager(a)gmail.com> wrote: > Hi Romain, Laurent, > > >> Having Amazon ec2 image is also a very good idea, and some >>>> Smalltalkers have already made first important steps like: >>>> >>>> >>>> http://www.nickager.com/blog/Create-a-free-Gemstone-server-in-the-cloud-in-… >>>> >>> > After having shared the above Amazon AMI (Amazon machine image), and > experimented with EC2 hosting, I realised there are some undesirable > properties of AMIs: > > 1) It's an image; with all the benefits and problems that entails; namely > either you like the whole thing or not. It's not composable; it's difficult > to know precisely what has been configured and how, and difficult to choose > the bits you like and replace the bits you don't like. > 2) You can't (currently for Linux), create an AMI locally and upload it, > meaning everything has to be performed remotely and operating remotely in > the IDE over X11 forwarding can be slow. > 3) It's difficult to share across regions. Amazon's data centres operate > autonomously. I created the image in EU-WEST and copying it to US-WEST or > US-EAST is non-trivial. > 4) It's another configuration that I need to keep up to date and I don't. > 5) Not everyone wants to use EC2; other cloud services are available eg > slicehost, linode, cloud-foudry etc > 6) I configured the AMI using Amazon Linux, people might prefer Ubuntu, > RHEL, Suse, Windows!#*? etc > 7) I configured the AMI using Nginx as a front-end server with added > modules (http://nickager.com/blog/compiling-nginx-to-add-extra-modules/) > others might require other modules or other different server eg Apache, > Cherokee etc. Even with the same server the configuration required can vary > (url redirection, static file serving etc). > 8) Everyone has a different way of performing backups, monitoring the > health of the server. > 9) I configured the AMI using Gemstone, others might prefer image based > persistence or MySQL, Postgres etc. > 10) Ideally the configuration would allow you to specify the number of > images (or Gems for Gemstone) you'd like to respond to request, behind a > load balancer. > 11) We currently require infrastructure support for https eg stunnel or > reverse proxy through a webserver eg > http://www.monkeysnatchbanana.com/posts/2010/06/23/reverse-proxying-to-seas… > > Quite a list... The main issue is that I'd like to be able to build server > infrastructure from composable pieces and share configuration knowledge with > others. This led me to Chef (http://opscode.com/chef/) where people create > configuration "recipes" and a specific configuration is composed from these > recipes. The benefit of using something like Chef is that there are > already recipes for the standard parts of the server configuration eg > installing and configuring Apache, Nginx, MySql, Postgres etc have already > been taken care of. Chef abstracts the OS, and the cloud (eg EC2, slicehost > etc). > > The task is then to create recipes for Seaside specific parts. There are a > couple of Gemstone recipes already ( > https://github.com/timfel/gemstone-cookbooks, > https://github.com/johnnyt/gemstone-cookbooks) A few of us (myself > Norbert Hartl, Stephen Eggermont) plan to investigate coding our > configurations is Chef - though it's still early days and it may prove that > it's more complex than we need. > > Our basic requirements are to be able to rapidly deploy production, > staging, backup, Jenkins continuous integration and development VMs. > > Do others have experience with Chef or something similar? > > Ideally ESUG or someone else would provide http://www.heroku.com/ for > Seaside - but it would require formalising more of our stack and providing a > flexible solution to https. > > Hope this helps, > > Nick >

May 18, 2011

Re: [Pharo-users] [Esug-list] [ANN] SmallHarbour project

by laurent laffont

On Tue, May 17, 2011 at 10:48 PM, Dale Henrichs <dhenrich(a)vmware.com> wrote: > On 05/17/2011 12:37 PM, Davorin Rusevljan wrote: > >> On Tue, May 17, 2011 at 9:19 PM, laurent laffont >> <laurent.laffont(a)gmail.com> wrote: >> >>> Actually we have several visions (nothing is final here, ideas welcome) >>> >> .. >> >> Having Amazon ec2 image is also a very good idea, and some >> Smalltalkers have already made first important steps like: >> >> >> http://www.nickager.com/blog/Create-a-free-Gemstone-server-in-the-cloud-in-… >> >> You probably already have enough on your plate, but I mentioned >> CloudFoundry for following reasons: >> - it has a promise that one would be able to deploy SmallHarbour to >> different cloud providers >> - CloudFoundry currently provides support for Java, Ruby and >> Javascript, adding Smalltalk would be nice for visibility, and could >> be used for other Smalltalk services not only SmallHarbour. >> >> As I said you probably have enough to do in the first place, but if >> you just happen to have some student lurking that has some ruby >> knowledge to hack the interface for Smalltalk to Cloudfoundry it would >> be very nice to have :) >> >> As for your other goals - great! >> >> Davorin Rusevljan >> http://www.cloud208.com/ >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Esug-list mailing list >> Esug-list(a)lists.esug.org >> http://lists.esug.org/mailman/listinfo/esug-list_lists.esug.org >> > > Laurent/Davorin, > > We are in the process of adding support for deploying GLASS applications > into the Cloud Foundry, but I wouldn't mind helping folks who are interested > in adding support for other Smalltalks into the Cloud Foundry ... The Cloud > Foundry is written largely in ruby, so you'll need to be wearing your ruby > dancing shoes:) > Thanks Dale, just need to wax my shoes first, haven't worn them for a long time :) Laurent. > > Dale >

May 18, 2011

Re: [Pharo-users] [Esug-list] [ANN] SmallHarbour project

by Dale Henrichs

On 05/17/2011 12:37 PM, Davorin Rusevljan wrote: > On Tue, May 17, 2011 at 9:19 PM, laurent laffont > <laurent.laffont(a)gmail.com> wrote: >> Actually we have several visions (nothing is final here, ideas welcome) > .. > > Having Amazon ec2 image is also a very good idea, and some > Smalltalkers have already made first important steps like: > > http://www.nickager.com/blog/Create-a-free-Gemstone-server-in-the-cloud-in-… > > You probably already have enough on your plate, but I mentioned > CloudFoundry for following reasons: > - it has a promise that one would be able to deploy SmallHarbour to > different cloud providers > - CloudFoundry currently provides support for Java, Ruby and > Javascript, adding Smalltalk would be nice for visibility, and could > be used for other Smalltalk services not only SmallHarbour. > > As I said you probably have enough to do in the first place, but if > you just happen to have some student lurking that has some ruby > knowledge to hack the interface for Smalltalk to Cloudfoundry it would > be very nice to have :) > > As for your other goals - great! > > Davorin Rusevljan > http://www.cloud208.com/ > > _______________________________________________ > Esug-list mailing list > Esug-list(a)lists.esug.org > http://lists.esug.org/mailman/listinfo/esug-list_lists.esug.org Laurent/Davorin, We are in the process of adding support for deploying GLASS applications into the Cloud Foundry, but I wouldn't mind helping folks who are interested in adding support for other Smalltalks into the Cloud Foundry ... The Cloud Foundry is written largely in ruby, so you'll need to be wearing your ruby dancing shoes:) Dale

May 17, 2011

Re: [Pharo-users] [Esug-list] [ANN] SmallHarbour project

by laurent laffont

On Tue, May 17, 2011 at 9:37 PM, Davorin Rusevljan < davorin.rusevljan(a)gmail.com> wrote: > On Tue, May 17, 2011 at 9:19 PM, laurent laffont > <laurent.laffont(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > Actually we have several visions (nothing is final here, ideas welcome) > .. > > Having Amazon ec2 image is also a very good idea, and some > Smalltalkers have already made first important steps like: > > > http://www.nickager.com/blog/Create-a-free-Gemstone-server-in-the-cloud-in-… > > You probably already have enough on your plate, but I mentioned > CloudFoundry for following reasons: > - it has a promise that one would be able to deploy SmallHarbour to > different cloud providers > - CloudFoundry currently provides support for Java, Ruby and > Javascript, adding Smalltalk would be nice for visibility, and could > be used for other Smalltalk services not only SmallHarbour. > > As I said you probably have enough to do in the first place, but if > you just happen to have some student lurking that has some ruby > knowledge to hack the interface for Smalltalk to Cloudfoundry it would > be very nice to have :) > Yes. Indeed I would like contributing to SmallHarbour to be easy. So Cloundfoundry should be one (worthwhile) among several ways to deploy SmallHarbour platform. Laurent Laffont - @lolgzs <http://twitter.com/#!/lolgzs> Pharo Smalltalk Screencasts: http://www.pharocasts.com/ Blog: http://magaloma.blogspot.com/ Developer group: http://cara74.seasidehosting.st > > As for your other goals - great! > > Davorin Rusevljan > http://www.cloud208.com/ >

May 17, 2011