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Re: [Pharo-users] Z3950 on OSX: module yaz3 not found

by laurent laffont

On Mon, Apr 25, 2011 at 7:49 PM, Mariano Martinez Peck < marianopeck(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > On Mon, Dec 20, 2010 at 4:12 PM, HernÃ¡n Morales Durand < > hernan.morales(a)gmail.com> wrote: > >> Hi Laurent >> >> I've read there is a couple of system calll monitors in MacOS, ktrace >> and dtrace (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ktrace , >> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DTrace) so you may attach to the VM and >> see what's missing? >> Cheers, >> >> > I know this is an old thread, but the SqueakVM has already been integrated > with DTrace by Adrian Lienchard: > > http://forum.world.st/ANN-DTrace-for-Squeak-Pharo-tp2173421p2173421.html > OK Laurent. > > > > > >> HernÃ¡n >> >> 2010/12/20 laurent laffont <laurent.laffont(a)gmail.com>: >> > Thanks Hernan. >> > It still doesn't work. I've also tried to play with LD_LOAD_PATH / >> > LD_LIBRARY_PATH no success.... I want to make it work so I need to learn >> :) >> > >> > For the mangled function names, on Linux and OSX there's nm. >> > Here's what I get: >> > $ nm -g libyaz.3.dylib | grep ZOOM_connection_create >> > 0000000000046a30 T _ZOOM_connection_create >> > Cheers, >> > Laurent >> > >> > On Sun, Dec 19, 2010 at 6:23 PM, HernÃ¡n Morales Durand >> > <hernan.morales(a)gmail.com> wrote: >> >> >> >> Hi Laurent, >> >> >> >> Thanks for reporting. The correct #moduleName for MacOS was missing, >> >> I've uploaded a new version answering 'libyaz.3.dylib' which I guess >> >> is the corresponding for 'yaz3.dll' (according to >> >> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dynamic_library#Naming ). >> >> >> >> I haven't access to a MacOS, but in Windows I've had to find the >> >> mangled function names (i.e. _ZOOM_connection_create@4) so FFI can >> >> find the function addresses and you don't get the classic "Error: >> >> Unable to find function address". I don't know if it's related since >> >> talks about C++, but you may want to check >> >> http://wiki.squeak.org/squeak/3735 >> >> >> >> The tool I've used to find the mangled function names in Windows is >> >> the Steve Miller's Dependency Walker http://www.dependencywalker.com/ >> >> >> >> 2010/12/19 laurent laffont <laurent.laffont(a)gmail.com>: >> >> > Hi, >> >> > >> >> > I want to use http://www.squeaksource.com/Z3950 >> >> > Following install instructions, I've dowloaded yaz sources (I've >> tried >> >> > 4.1.2 >> >> > and 3.0.52) as it seems there's no binary for OSX, ./configure >> && make >> >> > && >> >> > make install. >> >> > Then using latest Seaside One Click image I've copied >> >> > /usr/local/lib/*yaz* >> >> > in Seaside.app/Contents/MacOS >> >> > $ ls ~/Downloads/Seaside.app/Contents/MacOS/ >> >> > Squeak VM Opt libyaz.a libyaz.la >> >> > libyaz_icu.a libyaz_icu.la libyaz_server.a >> >> > libyaz_server.la libyaz.3.dylib libyaz.dylib >> >> > libyaz_icu.3.dylib libyaz_icu.dylib libyaz_server.3.dylib >> >> > libyaz_server.dylib >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > But then I have a External Module Not Found on >> >> > YAZPQFFFILibrary>>createParser >> >> > " YAZPQDFFILibrary default createParser " >> >> > <cdecl: YAZPQFParser 'yaz_pqf_create' (void) module: 'yaz3'> >> >> > ^ self externalCallFailed >> >> > >> >> > Any hint ? >> >> > Cheers, >> >> > Laurent Laffont -- FFI newbie >> >> > >> >> > Pharo Smalltalk Screencasts: http://www.pharocasts.com/ >> >> > Blog: http://magaloma.blogspot.com/ >> >> > >> >> >> >> -- >> >> HernÃ¡n Morales >> >> Information Technology Manager, >> >> Institute of Veterinary Genetics. >> >> National Scientific and Technical Research Council (CONICET). >> >> La Plata (1900), Buenos Aires, Argentina. >> >> Telephone: +54 (0221) 421-1799. >> >> Internal: 422 >> >> Fax: 425-7980 or 421-1799. >> > >> > >> >> > > > -- > Mariano > http://marianopeck.wordpress.com > >

April 25, 2011

Re: [Pharo-users] [Metacello] Re: Metacellobrowser feedback

by Dale Henrichs

Johan, I will be replying separately to your other email on Saturday .. . the one below was written before I read your other email:) Frankly I am embarassed by the current state of the configuration construct steps ... and I am sad that you wasted some of your time trying out something that I knew was pretty broken... Your feedback is very welcome and to be honest your efforts have spurred me to focus on solving the construction problem before moving too far forward ... I was hoping for feedback on using the MetacelloBrowser for things not related to creating the initial configuration, but it is obvious from your experience (and others) creating that initial configuration is the thing that folks are looking for when opening up the MetacelloBrowser... In the end this is a good thing so I do appreciate your effort ... I know that UIs bring out the strong opinions of folks and have tried to stay out of the ui/gui business for Metacello, but my own storng opinions won't let me:) Thank you very much ... Dale On 04/25/2011 11:00 AM, Johan Fabry wrote: > Hi Dale, > > I understand the point you are making. I never intended my mails to > be of the 'do this now' kind. I am just sharing my experiences and > points of view. I have always had strong opinions about UI elements > and lately even more since I have been reading up on the topic > (because of my work on AspectMaps ). If my comments can be of any use > and may be taken into account at some point, great, if not, no > problem. I get that this is a work in progress and I am sure you have > a lot of other things on your plate, as do we all :-/ > > (assuming you are replying to both my mails of last saturday, btw) > > On 24 Apr 2011, at 11:52, Dale Henrichs wrote: > >> Johan, >> >> Just one point ... the ui for MetacelloBrowser is not expected to >> be complete at this point ... I think there are still a number of >> commands that need to be added before we can start considering what >> the final ui will look like ... once we have a feel for the set of >> commands that should be included and the type of work flow we are >> supporting (neither of which has been decided upon) we will be able >> to fine tune the ui and there is a lot of work that needs to be >> done ... >> >> You're comments about the fact that you had difficulty figuring out >> how to call your #loadDefault method are where we need to be >> focussing our efforts ... this is a missing piece of functionality >> that needs to be addressed. >> >> Spiffing up a ui _before_ you've decided on the final set of >> commands to be supported is the same type of mistake you make when >> making a premature optimization of an algorithm ... >> >> For me the biggest problem that I struggle with is the number of >> times that I must break out of the MetacelloBrowser to do work with >> Monticello Browser windows...I have included a number of commands >> in the MetacelloBrowser that allow you to perform many of the >> MonticelloBrowser functions and I see the need to add more ... So I >> begin thinking that maybe these functions should be incorporated >> into the MetacelloBrowser ... allow the direct viewing of the >> repository/history .... I'm also not happy with having to go the >> browser to see certain bits of information from the Metacello spec >> (like the description) .... I think we need to incorporate that as >> well ... We need major improvement in the ui for creating a >> configuration ... major work needs to be done there ... >> >> ... and more ... >> >> Dale On Apr 23, 2011, at 12:57 PM, Johan Fabry wrote: >> >>> >>> My 2 cents on this topic: user interface consistency cannot be >>> underestimated. I called these 'leds' unit-test icons because >>> thats what they are (in my mind and I guess also for a lot of >>> other people). So using them for anything else is not a good idea >>> at all. Alex' proposal seems (to me) a much better idea. > > > -- Johan Fabry jfabry(a)dcc.uchile.cl - http://dcc.uchile.cl/~jfabry > PLEIAD Lab - Computer Science Department (DCC) - University of Chile > > >

April 25, 2011

Re: [Pharo-users] [Pharo-project] [Metacello] Which packages should we include of metacello for Pharo 1.3?

by Dale Henrichs

On 04/25/2011 10:41 AM, Mariano Martinez Peck wrote: > > > On Mon, Apr 25, 2011 at 5:16 PM, Dale Henrichs <dhenrich(a)vmware.com > <mailto:dhenrich@vmware.com>> wrote: > > On 04/24/2011 12:03 PM, Mariano Martinez Peck wrote: > > > > On Sun, Apr 24, 2011 at 5:59 PM, Dale Henrichs > <dhenrich(a)vmware.com <mailto:dhenrich@vmware.com> > <mailto:dhenrich@vmware.com <mailto:dhenrich@vmware.com>>> wrote: > > Mariano, > > (excluding the OB-Metallo menu items) ... > > > hi dale. What does it mean exactly? If right now I am loading : > #('Metacello-Core' 'Tutorial' 'UI' 'Metacello-ProfStef' > 'Metacello-Help'); and #('Tests') > you mean I should remove the group 'UI' ? > > > Yes ... I don't know if anyone beyond me ever used them and > eventually they will be replaced by the MetacelloBrowser ... if you > think folks were using the Metacello menus, then leave them in .... > > > > I never heard anyone using Metacello-OB so I think we can remove them. > However, if they are working, we can just let them in case someone still > use them, and when MetacelloBrowser comes in, we remove Metacello-OB. > Do you know more or less if Metacello-OB is working or no? > is anyone using Metacello-OB? speak up now! :) Prior to the MetacelloBrowser popping up, I used Metacello-OB so it is still working. OB is already loaded so it doesn't cost that much to include... Dale

April 25, 2011

Re: [Pharo-users] [Metacello] Re: Metacellobrowser feedback

by Johan Fabry

Hi Dale, I understand the point you are making. I never intended my mails to be of the 'do this now' kind. I am just sharing my experiences and points of view. I have always had strong opinions about UI elements and lately even more since I have been reading up on the topic (because of my work on AspectMaps ). If my comments can be of any use and may be taken into account at some point, great, if not, no problem. I get that this is a work in progress and I am sure you have a lot of other things on your plate, as do we all :-/ (assuming you are replying to both my mails of last saturday, btw) On 24 Apr 2011, at 11:52, Dale Henrichs wrote: > Johan, > > Just one point ... the ui for MetacelloBrowser is not expected to be complete at this point ... I think there are still a number of commands that need to be added before we can start considering what the final ui will look like ... once we have a feel for the set of commands that should be included and the type of work flow we are supporting (neither of which has been decided upon) we will be able to fine tune the ui and there is a lot of work that needs to be done ... > > You're comments about the fact that you had difficulty figuring out how to call your #loadDefault method are where we need to be focussing our efforts ... this is a missing piece of functionality that needs to be addressed. > > Spiffing up a ui _before_ you've decided on the final set of commands to be supported is the same type of mistake you make when making a premature optimization of an algorithm ... > > For me the biggest problem that I struggle with is the number of times that I must break out of the MetacelloBrowser to do work with Monticello Browser windows...I have included a number of commands in the MetacelloBrowser that allow you to perform many of the MonticelloBrowser functions and I see the need to add more ... So I begin thinking that maybe these functions should be incorporated into the MetacelloBrowser ... allow the direct viewing of the repository/history .... I'm also not happy with having to go the browser to see certain bits of information from the Metacello spec (like the description) .... I think we need to incorporate that as well ... We need major improvement in the ui for creating a configuration ... major work needs to be done there ... > > ... and more ... > > Dale > On Apr 23, 2011, at 12:57 PM, Johan Fabry wrote: > >> >> My 2 cents on this topic: user interface consistency cannot be underestimated. I called these 'leds' unit-test icons because thats what they are (in my mind and I guess also for a lot of other people). So using them for anything else is not a good idea at all. Alex' proposal seems (to me) a much better idea. -- Johan Fabry jfabry(a)dcc.uchile.cl - http://dcc.uchile.cl/~jfabry PLEIAD Lab - Computer Science Department (DCC) - University of Chile

April 25, 2011

Re: [Pharo-users] Z3950 on OSX: module yaz3 not found

by Mariano Martinez Peck

On Mon, Dec 20, 2010 at 4:12 PM, HernÃ¡n Morales Durand < hernan.morales(a)gmail.com> wrote: > Hi Laurent > > I've read there is a couple of system calll monitors in MacOS, ktrace > and dtrace (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ktrace , > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DTrace) so you may attach to the VM and > see what's missing? > Cheers, > > I know this is an old thread, but the SqueakVM has already been integrated with DTrace by Adrian Lienchard: http://forum.world.st/ANN-DTrace-for-Squeak-Pharo-tp2173421p2173421.html > HernÃ¡n > > 2010/12/20 laurent laffont <laurent.laffont(a)gmail.com>: > > Thanks Hernan. > > It still doesn't work. I've also tried to play with LD_LOAD_PATH / > > LD_LIBRARY_PATH no success.... I want to make it work so I need to learn > :) > > > > For the mangled function names, on Linux and OSX there's nm. > > Here's what I get: > > $ nm -g libyaz.3.dylib | grep ZOOM_connection_create > > 0000000000046a30 T _ZOOM_connection_create > > Cheers, > > Laurent > > > > On Sun, Dec 19, 2010 at 6:23 PM, HernÃ¡n Morales Durand > > <hernan.morales(a)gmail.com> wrote: > >> > >> Hi Laurent, > >> > >> Thanks for reporting. The correct #moduleName for MacOS was missing, > >> I've uploaded a new version answering 'libyaz.3.dylib' which I guess > >> is the corresponding for 'yaz3.dll' (according to > >> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dynamic_library#Naming ). > >> > >> I haven't access to a MacOS, but in Windows I've had to find the > >> mangled function names (i.e. _ZOOM_connection_create@4) so FFI can > >> find the function addresses and you don't get the classic "Error: > >> Unable to find function address". I don't know if it's related since > >> talks about C++, but you may want to check > >> http://wiki.squeak.org/squeak/3735 > >> > >> The tool I've used to find the mangled function names in Windows is > >> the Steve Miller's Dependency Walker http://www.dependencywalker.com/ > >> > >> 2010/12/19 laurent laffont <laurent.laffont(a)gmail.com>: > >> > Hi, > >> > > >> > I want to use http://www.squeaksource.com/Z3950 > >> > Following install instructions, I've dowloaded yaz sources (I've tried > >> > 4.1.2 > >> > and 3.0.52) as it seems there's no binary for OSX, ./configure && make > >> > && > >> > make install. > >> > Then using latest Seaside One Click image I've copied > >> > /usr/local/lib/*yaz* > >> > in Seaside.app/Contents/MacOS > >> > $ ls ~/Downloads/Seaside.app/Contents/MacOS/ > >> > Squeak VM Opt libyaz.a libyaz.la > >> > libyaz_icu.a libyaz_icu.la libyaz_server.a > >> > libyaz_server.la libyaz.3.dylib libyaz.dylib > >> > libyaz_icu.3.dylib libyaz_icu.dylib libyaz_server.3.dylib > >> > libyaz_server.dylib > >> > > >> > > >> > But then I have a External Module Not Found on > >> > YAZPQFFFILibrary>>createParser > >> > " YAZPQDFFILibrary default createParser " > >> > <cdecl: YAZPQFParser 'yaz_pqf_create' (void) module: 'yaz3'> > >> > ^ self externalCallFailed > >> > > >> > Any hint ? > >> > Cheers, > >> > Laurent Laffont -- FFI newbie > >> > > >> > Pharo Smalltalk Screencasts: http://www.pharocasts.com/ > >> > Blog: http://magaloma.blogspot.com/ > >> > > >> > >> -- > >> HernÃ¡n Morales > >> Information Technology Manager, > >> Institute of Veterinary Genetics. > >> National Scientific and Technical Research Council (CONICET). > >> La Plata (1900), Buenos Aires, Argentina. > >> Telephone: +54 (0221) 421-1799. > >> Internal: 422 > >> Fax: 425-7980 or 421-1799. > > > > > > -- Mariano http://marianopeck.wordpress.com

April 25, 2011

Re: [Pharo-users] [Pharo-project] [Metacello] Which packages should we include of metacello for Pharo 1.3?

by Mariano Martinez Peck

On Mon, Apr 25, 2011 at 5:16 PM, Dale Henrichs <dhenrich(a)vmware.com> wrote: > On 04/24/2011 12:03 PM, Mariano Martinez Peck wrote: > >> >> >> On Sun, Apr 24, 2011 at 5:59 PM, Dale Henrichs <dhenrich(a)vmware.com >> <mailto:dhenrich@vmware.com>> wrote: >> >> Mariano, >> >> (excluding the OB-Metallo menu items) ... >> >> >> hi dale. What does it mean exactly? If right now I am loading : >> #('Metacello-Core' 'Tutorial' 'UI' 'Metacello-ProfStef' >> 'Metacello-Help'); and #('Tests') >> you mean I should remove the group 'UI' ? >> > > Yes ... I don't know if anyone beyond me ever used them and eventually they > will be replaced by the MetacelloBrowser ... if you think folks were using > the Metacello menus, then leave them in .... > > I never heard anyone using Metacello-OB so I think we can remove them. However, if they are working, we can just let them in case someone still use them, and when MetacelloBrowser comes in, we remove Metacello-OB. Do you know more or less if Metacello-OB is working or no? is anyone using Metacello-OB? speak up now! :) Thanks -- Mariano http://marianopeck.wordpress.com

April 25, 2011

Re: [Pharo-users] An small "interactive art" project in Pharo, from a newbie

by StÃ©phane Ducasse

you can create a Morph and change its color using the step method. and at the end delete it. It should be quite simple to do that and a good exercise for you to learn. Start with BorderedMorph new openInWorld. Stef On Apr 25, 2011, at 12:53 AM, Offray Vladimir Luna CÃ¡rdenas wrote: > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > Hi Stef, > > El 24/04/11 04:01, StÃ©phane Ducasse escribiÃ³: >> Thanks offray. >> >> I think that you should have a look at the work on ricardo moran and use the board from pharo. >> Now this is working well. >> >> Stef > > I have already seen that (the Physical etoys project). Now I want to > make something not related with physical computing, but just making some > graphic appear at a random position vanish slowly and load a > twitter/identica feed. Any pointer on where I can find this solution? > > Thanks > > Offray > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > Version: GnuPG v1.4.11 (GNU/Linux) > Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ > > iQEcBAEBAgAGBQJNtKoCAAoJEGiex2828ICwrsYH/RgrOvhMABG0htt3TjAXiGzt > LwdtzZG/xTJBawQkflHDipSjbypsIkInkCnTM+9yDgA+grkdxoGxdN5D7W1MfU/r > Y6XE7/7sSKEmbCHVXGVeJ6LllxqsEDK+UDqcEIr1eDAPfmb6NJulYS5AFna/4xTg > I83FMPNAWQ9xWf8ggVrpAOOpvKal4X3HzCFbST6hiwcmxJDvNfEUCc1FuTp3DOQ9 > rtBsGSkbtFEOGCePSqMp5HXhxT22PmSd5FpnLtujRhoVAZaRdIFWiI/SadYPNsez > C+us+fprenBeuCAtjSqQM0KjI686uLslK9tLPedvgPjW/lRr2UlMFv/FoFv4krI= > =sdJs > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- >

April 25, 2011

Re: [Pharo-users] An small "interactive art" project in Pharo, from a newbie

by Mariano Martinez Peck

On Mon, Apr 25, 2011 at 12:53 AM, Offray Vladimir Luna CÃ¡rdenas < offray(a)riseup.net> wrote: > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > Hi Stef, > > El 24/04/11 04:01, StÃ©phane Ducasse escribiÃ³: > > Thanks offray. > > > > I think that you should have a look at the work on ricardo moran and use > the board from pharo. > > Now this is working well. > > > > Stef > > I have already seen that (the Physical etoys project). Now I want to > make something not related with physical computing, but just making some > graphic appear at a random position vanish slowly and load a > twitter/identica feed. Any pointer on where I can find this solution? > > I have no idea, but I cc'ed pharo-dev where you may have more chance. cheers mariano > Thanks > > Offray > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > Version: GnuPG v1.4.11 (GNU/Linux) > Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ > > iQEcBAEBAgAGBQJNtKoCAAoJEGiex2828ICwrsYH/RgrOvhMABG0htt3TjAXiGzt > LwdtzZG/xTJBawQkflHDipSjbypsIkInkCnTM+9yDgA+grkdxoGxdN5D7W1MfU/r > Y6XE7/7sSKEmbCHVXGVeJ6LllxqsEDK+UDqcEIr1eDAPfmb6NJulYS5AFna/4xTg > I83FMPNAWQ9xWf8ggVrpAOOpvKal4X3HzCFbST6hiwcmxJDvNfEUCc1FuTp3DOQ9 > rtBsGSkbtFEOGCePSqMp5HXhxT22PmSd5FpnLtujRhoVAZaRdIFWiI/SadYPNsez > C+us+fprenBeuCAtjSqQM0KjI686uLslK9tLPedvgPjW/lRr2UlMFv/FoFv4krI= > =sdJs > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > > -- Mariano http://marianopeck.wordpress.com

April 24, 2011

Re: [Pharo-users] An small "interactive art" project in Pharo, from a newbie

by Offray Vladimir Luna CÃ¡rdenas

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Hi Stef, El 24/04/11 04:01, StÃ©phane Ducasse escribiÃ³: > Thanks offray. > > I think that you should have a look at the work on ricardo moran and use the board from pharo. > Now this is working well. > > Stef I have already seen that (the Physical etoys project). Now I want to make something not related with physical computing, but just making some graphic appear at a random position vanish slowly and load a twitter/identica feed. Any pointer on where I can find this solution? Thanks Offray -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.11 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iQEcBAEBAgAGBQJNtKoCAAoJEGiex2828ICwrsYH/RgrOvhMABG0htt3TjAXiGzt LwdtzZG/xTJBawQkflHDipSjbypsIkInkCnTM+9yDgA+grkdxoGxdN5D7W1MfU/r Y6XE7/7sSKEmbCHVXGVeJ6LllxqsEDK+UDqcEIr1eDAPfmb6NJulYS5AFna/4xTg I83FMPNAWQ9xWf8ggVrpAOOpvKal4X3HzCFbST6hiwcmxJDvNfEUCc1FuTp3DOQ9 rtBsGSkbtFEOGCePSqMp5HXhxT22PmSd5FpnLtujRhoVAZaRdIFWiI/SadYPNsez C+us+fprenBeuCAtjSqQM0KjI686uLslK9tLPedvgPjW/lRr2UlMFv/FoFv4krI= =sdJs -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

April 24, 2011

Re: [Pharo-users] [Metacello] Re: Metacellobrowser feedback

by Dale Henrichs

Johan, Just one point ... the ui for MetacelloBrowser is not expected to be complete at this point ... I think there are still a number of commands that need to be added before we can start considering what the final ui will look like ... once we have a feel for the set of commands that should be included and the type of work flow we are supporting (neither of which has been decided upon) we will be able to fine tune the ui and there is a lot of work that needs to be done ... You're comments about the fact that you had difficulty figuring out how to call your #loadDefault method are where we need to be focussing our efforts ... this is a missing piece of functionality that needs to be addressed. Spiffing up a ui _before_ you've decided on the final set of commands to be supported is the same type of mistake you make when making a premature optimization of an algorithm ... For me the biggest problem that I struggle with is the number of times that I must break out of the MetacelloBrowser to do work with Monticello Browser windows...I have included a number of commands in the MetacelloBrowser that allow you to perform many of the MonticelloBrowser functions and I see the need to add more ... So I begin thinking that maybe these functions should be incorporated into the MetacelloBrowser ... allow the direct viewing of the repository/history .... I'm also not happy with having to go the browser to see certain bits of information from the Metacello spec (like the description) .... I think we need to incorporate that as well ... We need major improvement in the ui for creating a configuration ... major work needs to be done there ... ... and more ... Dale On Apr 23, 2011, at 12:57 PM, Johan Fabry wrote: > > My 2 cents on this topic: user interface consistency cannot be underestimated. I called these 'leds' unit-test icons because thats what they are (in my mind and I guess also for a lot of other people). So using them for anything else is not a good idea at all. Alex' proposal seems (to me) a much better idea. > > On 23 Apr 2011, at 13:05, Alexandre Bergel wrote: > >> I agree with you. The browser is not yet a replacement for manual editing. The validation mechanism has to be present. >> >> Maybe the led can be traded with a red bold font for the project name. The meaning of the red font is clear and unambiguous. The led can then instead be used for the test. How does that sound? >> >> I will work on the test soon. This week end maybe. >> >> Alexandre >> >> Le 23 avr. 2011 Ã 11:43, Dale Henrichs <dhenrich(a)vmware.com> a Ã©crit : >> >>> Alexandre, >>> >>> I think the 'run tests' command is great idea ... >>> >>> Validation wil be important as long as folks edit configs by hand, so validation needs to be part of the tool set (whether automatic or manual) ... >>> >>> Just because people don't do it doesn't mean that they shouldn't be doing it ... it is very easy to introduce an error that won't show up until you try to use the configuration, so validation is important... >>> >>> I would prefer to see it automatic which then begs the question of how to notify the user that there is a validation issue and which configuration/version has the issue ... presumably we have a set of feedback options that we can use ... >>> >>> Dale > > -- > Johan Fabry > jfabry(a)dcc.uchile.cl - http://dcc.uchile.cl/~jfabry > PLEIAD Lab - Computer Science Department (DCC) - University of Chile > > >

April 24, 2011