February 2011 - Pharo-users

Re: [Pharo-users] Dependencies and Monticello

by StÃ©phane Ducasse

Hi andrew Do not use dependencies. They do not work well. Use Metacello. Here is a draft I should finish on metacello. On Feb 15, 2011, at 12:04 PM, Andrew Black wrote: > I probably don't understand how to use Monticello dependencies correctly. Here is the situation. Your help appreciated. > > I'm writing code that uses PetitParser. So, I added to my own package a dependency on PetitParser. > > Strangely, rather than linking to the PetitParser repository, this copies PetitParser into my repository when save a new version on my package. > > The problem is that I have found it necessary to change a few definitions in *PetitParser. (I would call these bug fixes, but that is a matter of opinion.) I didn't think that would be a problem; I put the overriding definitions into my package, and everything worked fine. > > That is, it worked fine until I started with a clean image and loaded my package. Monticello apparently loaded my package, and then loaded PetitParser. This over-wrote my (bug-fix) definitions with the original ones. Most of my tests failed. > > If I load my package a second time, them my definitions overwrite the ones from PetitParser, and all is well. > > I infer that Monticello packages are supposed to be load-order-independent. So, what is the right way to fix this problem (other than convincing Lukas that trimSpaces should, indeed, trimSpaces)? > > Andrew >

Feb. 15, 2011

Dependencies and Monticello

by Andrew Black

I probably don't understand how to use Monticello dependencies correctly. Here is the situation. Your help appreciated. I'm writing code that uses PetitParser. So, I added to my own package a dependency on PetitParser. Strangely, rather than linking to the PetitParser repository, this copies PetitParser into my repository when save a new version on my package. The problem is that I have found it necessary to change a few definitions in *PetitParser. (I would call these bug fixes, but that is a matter of opinion.) I didn't think that would be a problem; I put the overriding definitions into my package, and everything worked fine. That is, it worked fine until I started with a clean image and loaded my package. Monticello apparently loaded my package, and then loaded PetitParser. This over-wrote my (bug-fix) definitions with the original ones. Most of my tests failed. If I load my package a second time, them my definitions overwrite the ones from PetitParser, and all is well. I infer that Monticello packages are supposed to be load-order-independent. So, what is the right way to fix this problem (other than convincing Lukas that trimSpaces should, indeed, trimSpaces)? Andrew

Feb. 15, 2011

Re: [Pharo-users] [SPAM] Re: DateAndTime and nanos

by StÃ©phane Ducasse

On Feb 14, 2011, at 10:33 PM, Sven Van Caekenberghe wrote: > > On 14 Feb 2011, at 22:00, StÃ©phane Ducasse wrote: > >> No if you want you should >> - bring the history with the MC package browser >> - select a version click on spawn >> - clik a version select changes >> and you get the diff between the version > > StÃ©phane, now I finally understand how to do this ! > Quite a complicated, non-obvioius procedure, but it works. oh yes! > What I am still missing is a way to make a changeset out of this diff. Me too We are brainstorming with Veronica on a three way browser and some other features. > > Anyway, thanks for explaining. > > Sven > >

Feb. 15, 2011

Re: [Pharo-users] DateAndTime and nanos

by Norbert Hartl

On 14.02.2011, at 22:00, StÃ©phane Ducasse wrote: >>> >>>> Hello, >>>> >>>> There is fix in google project for this. Try search it. >>>> Now it is not integrated to pharo. >>>> >>> You mean 3236? >>> >>> Yes >>> >>> And I dont know how to integrate this kind of code source. It is changes of methods with pluses and minuces chars. >>> How it can be install to image? >>> >> That + und - is a diff format to show hat has been removed (-) and what has been added (+). On the top of the message you can see a link to monticello package. I think you need to load this. So, >> >> http://source.squeak.org/trunk/Kernel-ul.513.mcz >> >> should be the right thing. > > No if you want you should > - bring the history with the MC package browser > - select a version click on spawn > - clik a version select changes > and you get the diff between the version > > loading a squeak package in pharo will just load all the change made in squeak since we forked... so good luck. oops, I overlooked the squeak in the url. Thanks for the correction. Norbert

Feb. 14, 2011

Re: [Pharo-users] [SPAM] Re: DateAndTime and nanos

by Sven Van Caekenberghe

On 14 Feb 2011, at 22:00, StÃ©phane Ducasse wrote: > No if you want you should > - bring the history with the MC package browser > - select a version click on spawn > - clik a version select changes > and you get the diff between the version StÃ©phane, now I finally understand how to do this ! Quite a complicated, non-obvioius procedure, but it works. What I am still missing is a way to make a changeset out of this diff. Anyway, thanks for explaining. Sven

Feb. 14, 2011

Re: [Pharo-users] About Coral

by StÃ©phane Ducasse

On Feb 14, 2011, at 10:26 AM, Adrien BARREAU wrote: > Hi, > > Since many things are not finished yet in Coral, I don't think there is any documentation. The only thing I know is a French tuto made by Olivier. > And it can't run under Windows. > > However, I can answer your questions. > > Do you want that script to be run in a command line or in Pharo? on the command line > Because you can do that kind of things in Pharo without Coral, only with FileSystem. > > If you want to try Coral, you may install it: > > 1. Load the last ConfigurationOfCoral (http://www.squeaksource.com/Coral) > 2. Install last version > 3. CoralInstaller generateCoralScript. > 4. CoralInstaller generateAllExamples. > > Coral.sh will be created in your image folder; it of course need a chmod +x. > Open a command line and go to that folder. Then you can run your scripts by: ./coral.sh theScript.cst. > > Take a look to the examples for the syntax, there is only a couple of thing added to Smalltalk syntax. > > Adrien. > > > From: benjamin.vanryseghem.pharo(a)gmail.com > > Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2011 10:01:28 +0100 > > To: pharo-users(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > > Subject: [Pharo-users] About Coral > > > > Hello guys, > > > > I want to write a little script that collect all the name of files in a folder then parse the name to change some characters and finally print the list. > > Quite simple :) > > > > But Stef tells me that it the perfect thing that should be done with Coral :) > > > > Do you know a good place to find lectures/tuto about Coral ? > > > > > > > > Thanks in advance, > > > > Ben

Feb. 14, 2011

Re: [Pharo-users] DateAndTime and nanos

by StÃ©phane Ducasse

>> >>> Hello, >>> >>> There is fix in google project for this. Try search it. >>> Now it is not integrated to pharo. >>> >> You mean 3236? >> >> Yes >> >> And I dont know how to integrate this kind of code source. It is changes of methods with pluses and minuces chars. >> How it can be install to image? >> > That + und - is a diff format to show hat has been removed (-) and what has been added (+). On the top of the message you can see a link to monticello package. I think you need to load this. So, > > http://source.squeak.org/trunk/Kernel-ul.513.mcz > > should be the right thing. No if you want you should - bring the history with the MC package browser - select a version click on spawn - clik a version select changes and you get the diff between the version loading a squeak package in pharo will just load all the change made in squeak since we forked... so good luck. > > Norbert

Feb. 14, 2011

Re: [Pharo-users] About Coral

by Adrien BARREAU

Hi, Since many things are not finished yet in Coral, I don't think there is any documentation. The only thing I know is a French tuto made by Olivier. And it can't run under Windows. However, I can answer your questions. Do you want that script to be run in a command line or in Pharo? Because you can do that kind of things in Pharo without Coral, only with FileSystem. If you want to try Coral, you may install it: 1. Load the last ConfigurationOfCoral (http://www.squeaksource.com/Coral) 2. Install last version 3. CoralInstaller generateCoralScript. 4. CoralInstaller generateAllExamples. Coral.sh will be created in your image folder; it of course need a chmod +x. Open a command line and go to that folder. Then you can run your scripts by: ./coral.sh theScript.cst. Take a look to the examples for the syntax, there is only a couple of thing added to Smalltalk syntax. Adrien. > From: benjamin.vanryseghem.pharo(a)gmail.com > Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2011 10:01:28 +0100 > To: pharo-users(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > Subject: [Pharo-users] About Coral > > Hello guys, > > I want to write a little script that collect all the name of files in a folder then parse the name to change some characters and finally print the list. > Quite simple :) > > But Stef tells me that it the perfect thing that should be done with Coral :) > > Do you know a good place to find lectures/tuto about Coral ? > > > > Thanks in advance, > > Ben

Feb. 14, 2011

Re: [Pharo-users] About Coral

by Olivier Auverlot

Le 14/02/11 10:01, Benjamin a Ã©crit : > Hello guys, > > I want to write a little script that collect all the name of files in a folder then parse the name to change some characters and finally print the list. > Quite simple :) > > But Stef tells me that it the perfect thing that should be done with Coral :) > > Do you know a good place to find lectures/tuto about Coral ? > > > > Thanks in advance, > > Ben Hi Benjamin, For the installation of Coral and basic operations, you could read my little tutorial: http://www.auverlot.fr/pharo/coralinstall/ Best regards Olivier ;-) www.auverlot.fr

Feb. 14, 2011

Re: [Pharo-users] DateAndTime and nanos

by Norbert Hartl

On 14.02.2011, at 08:50, Denis Kudriashov wrote: > Hello > > 2011/2/13 Norbert Hartl <norbert(a)hartl.name> > > On 11.02.2011, at 17:01, Denis Kudriashov wrote: > >> Hello, >> >> There is fix in google project for this. Try search it. >> Now it is not integrated to pharo. >> > You mean 3236? > > > Yes > > And I dont know how to integrate this kind of code source. It is changes of methods with pluses and minuces chars. > How it can be install to image? > That + und - is a diff format to show hat has been removed (-) and what has been added (+). On the top of the message you can see a link to monticello package. I think you need to load this. So, http://source.squeak.org/trunk/Kernel-ul.513.mcz should be the right thing. Norbert

Feb. 14, 2011