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Re: [Pharo-users] Pharo Consortium News: let's make it real.

by Luc Fabresse

Hi Guys, 2011/10/10 StÃ©phane Ducasse <stephane.ducasse(a)inria.fr>: > Hello everybody > > We got a final discussion with INRIA representatives and we will now set up a consortium for pharo. > INRIA will support the consortium by funding on advanced engineer for a year (may be two if the > consortium work well). So this is quite good around 55Keuros on consortium. That is a really good news! Thanks Guys to keep pushing in this direction. Luc > > There some strings attached: We will not be able to pay remote development since this is regulated under the public market french laws > but we will be able to hire people (on french rate if they work in France). Â We will have to see the legal period to spent the money. > > The general idea is to see how the consortium evolves: ideally we would like to see if we can get it outside inria within a five years > period. > > Now what we plan to do: > Â Â Â Â - We would like to make the list of companies that sign the agreement letter public. > Â Â Â Â Because this is important that other companies joins the consortium. > > Â Â Â Â - We will offer a free participation to any individual. > > Â Â Â Â - We are wondering if we could have a academic fee for the institution that want it: > Â Â Â Â we have to discuss the fee. Any suggestions would be good: I was thinking that 500 Euros would be good for rich countries > Â Â Â Â and 200 for the other ones. Now tell us. > > Â Â Â Â - We could also have way to pay a license or a way to give money to the consortium. > > Now the complex part: > Â Â Â Â - we would like to collect money from companies and again we will need your help > Â Â Â Â to understand what is the correct model. > Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â We are thinking: > Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â single person company: starting at 300 Euros > Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â "small company": starting at 2500 Euros > Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â large companies: starting at 5000 Euros. > > Â Â Â Â We would like to keep the model really simple and transparent. > > Now our goal is to be able to pay an engineer like igor full time because there is so much to do. > But each day we get closer to what we want. > > Stef and Marcus. > > >

Oct. 10, 2011

Pharo Consortium News: let's make it real.

by StÃ©phane Ducasse

Hello everybody We got a final discussion with INRIA representatives and we will now set up a consortium for pharo. INRIA will support the consortium by funding on advanced engineer for a year (may be two if the consortium work well). So this is quite good around 55Keuros on consortium. There some strings attached: We will not be able to pay remote development since this is regulated under the public market french laws but we will be able to hire people (on french rate if they work in France). We will have to see the legal period to spent the money. The general idea is to see how the consortium evolves: ideally we would like to see if we can get it outside inria within a five years period. Now what we plan to do: - We would like to make the list of companies that sign the agreement letter public. Because this is important that other companies joins the consortium. - We will offer a free participation to any individual. - We are wondering if we could have a academic fee for the institution that want it: we have to discuss the fee. Any suggestions would be good: I was thinking that 500 Euros would be good for rich countries and 200 for the other ones. Now tell us. - We could also have way to pay a license or a way to give money to the consortium. Now the complex part: - we would like to collect money from companies and again we will need your help to understand what is the correct model. We are thinking: single person company: starting at 300 Euros "small company": starting at 2500 Euros large companies: starting at 5000 Euros. We would like to keep the model really simple and transparent. Now our goal is to be able to pay an engineer like igor full time because there is so much to do. But each day we get closer to what we want. Stef and Marcus.

Oct. 10, 2011

Re: [Pharo-users] Loading Seaside 3.0 cripples System browser

by Charles Monteiro

> > When you see messages complaining about missing dependencies you have to be > aware that things are not likely to be functional when the load finishes > ... Yes, Dale, I understand that. I was only hoping it was stuff I didn't care about :). I have to say that every time I decide to play with Squeak I almost invariably have been unlucky and I encounter pre-req issues. Need to play with it more , I'm sure I don't have a properly large sample set to make any conclusions. Anywho, let me be more detailed : Indeed, we are dealing with 3.0.6 see here: http://screencast.com/t/8bdHUciSw2S First pre-req error: http://screencast.com/t/obXFJ3vqO8p After proceeding thru error, second pre-req error: http://screencast.com/t/icYwj2JhP and for those that care, the pre-req loading issues have for one affected the browser so: http://screencast.com/t/B4MiitcZ re: Seaside I was able to setup an adaptor thru the Seaside control panel , and confirmed I could get to it via a browser , Seaside counter app worked fine. I'm also able to pop a class browser thru Seaside. Let me know what I should do , thanks -Charles On Fri, Oct 7, 2011 at 12:04 AM, Dale Henrichs [via Smalltalk] < ml-node+s1294792n3880902h28(a)n4.nabble.com> wrote: > Charles, > > I seem to remember that there was an issue revolving around latestVersion, > so out of curiosity what is the result of printing: > > ((Smalltalk at: #ConfigurationOfSeaside30) project latestVersion) > > If it is not 3.0.6 then try an explicit load of version 3.0.6... > > ((Smalltalk at: #ConfigurationOfSeaside30) project version: '3.0.6') load > > > If it is 3.0.6 then that is curious because when 3.0.6 was released it > loaded cleanly into Pharo 1.3 (that was current at the time) .... Presumably > the configurations have changed since then in such a way to break the > Seaside load on Pharo1.3 ... I looked on the Pharo Jenkins server but > apparently Pharo1.3 is no longer tested? So it's not possible to tell when > the problem might have been introduced... > > When you see messages complaining about missing dependencies you have to be > aware that things are not likely to be functional when the load finishes ... > > > I think there have been some recent issues with the RFB configuration so > presumably all of the problems haven't been ironed out yet. > > Dale > > ----- Original Message ----- > | From: "Charles Monteiro" <[hidden email]<http://user/SendEmail.jtp?type=node&node=3880902&i=0>> > > | To: [hidden email]<http://user/SendEmail.jtp?type=node&node=3880902&i=1> > | Sent: Thursday, October 6, 2011 8:01:24 PM > | Subject: [Pharo-users] Loading Seaside 3.0 cripples System browser > | > | I downloaded the Pharo 1.3 one click. > | > | I then attempted to load Seaside using the following mechanism: > | > | Gofer new > | squeaksource: 'MetacelloRepository'; > | package: 'ConfigurationOfSeaside30'; > | load. > | > | ((Smalltalk at: #ConfigurationOfSeaside30) project latestVersion) > | load. > | > | It complained twice about some package dependencies i.e. related to > | RBxxx > | packages. I proceeded through both and it seemingly terminated fine. > | Seaside > | was loaded including the Seaside control panel. However, doing a > | right mouse > | over the leftmost panel (Categories) resulted in an MNU. Also stuff > | like > | syntax highlighting became inactive. > | > | Is there a way to load the latest and greatest Seaside into Pharo 1.3 > | with > | "all" pre-req dependencies resolved ? i.e. how can I load Seaside > | clean ? > | > | > | thanks in advance > | > | -Charles > | > | -- > | View this message in context: > | > http://forum.world.st/Loading-Seaside-3-0-cripples-System-browser-tp3880813… > | Sent from the Pharo Smalltalk Users mailing list archive at > | Nabble.com. > | > | > > > > ------------------------------ > If you reply to this email, your message will be added to the discussion > below: > > http://forum.world.st/Loading-Seaside-3-0-cripples-System-browser-tp3880813… > To unsubscribe from Loading Seaside 3.0 cripples System browser, click > here<http://forum.world.st/template/NamlServlet.jtp?macro=unsubscribe_by_code&no…>. > > -- Charles A. Monteiro www.monteirosfusion.com sent from the road -- View this message in context: http://forum.world.st/Loading-Seaside-3-0-cripples-System-browser-tp3880813… Sent from the Pharo Smalltalk Users mailing list archive at Nabble.com.

Oct. 7, 2011

Re: [Pharo-users] Loading Seaside 3.0 cripples System browser

by Dale Henrichs

Charles, I seem to remember that there was an issue revolving around latestVersion, so out of curiosity what is the result of printing: ((Smalltalk at: #ConfigurationOfSeaside30) project latestVersion) If it is not 3.0.6 then try an explicit load of version 3.0.6... ((Smalltalk at: #ConfigurationOfSeaside30) project version: '3.0.6') load If it is 3.0.6 then that is curious because when 3.0.6 was released it loaded cleanly into Pharo 1.3 (that was current at the time) .... Presumably the configurations have changed since then in such a way to break the Seaside load on Pharo1.3 ... I looked on the Pharo Jenkins server but apparently Pharo1.3 is no longer tested? So it's not possible to tell when the problem might have been introduced... When you see messages complaining about missing dependencies you have to be aware that things are not likely to be functional when the load finishes ... I think there have been some recent issues with the RFB configuration so presumably all of the problems haven't been ironed out yet. Dale ----- Original Message ----- | From: "Charles Monteiro" <charles(a)nycsmalltalk.org> | To: pharo-users(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr | Sent: Thursday, October 6, 2011 8:01:24 PM | Subject: [Pharo-users] Loading Seaside 3.0 cripples System browser | | I downloaded the Pharo 1.3 one click. | | I then attempted to load Seaside using the following mechanism: | | Gofer new | squeaksource: 'MetacelloRepository'; | package: 'ConfigurationOfSeaside30'; | load. | | ((Smalltalk at: #ConfigurationOfSeaside30) project latestVersion) | load. | | It complained twice about some package dependencies i.e. related to | RBxxx | packages. I proceeded through both and it seemingly terminated fine. | Seaside | was loaded including the Seaside control panel. However, doing a | right mouse | over the leftmost panel (Categories) resulted in an MNU. Also stuff | like | syntax highlighting became inactive. | | Is there a way to load the latest and greatest Seaside into Pharo 1.3 | with | "all" pre-req dependencies resolved ? i.e. how can I load Seaside | clean ? | | | thanks in advance | | -Charles | | -- | View this message in context: | http://forum.world.st/Loading-Seaside-3-0-cripples-System-browser-tp3880813… | Sent from the Pharo Smalltalk Users mailing list archive at | Nabble.com. | |

Oct. 7, 2011

Loading Seaside 3.0 cripples System browser

by Charles Monteiro

I downloaded the Pharo 1.3 one click. I then attempted to load Seaside using the following mechanism: Gofer new squeaksource: 'MetacelloRepository'; package: 'ConfigurationOfSeaside30'; load. ((Smalltalk at: #ConfigurationOfSeaside30) project latestVersion) load. It complained twice about some package dependencies i.e. related to RBxxx packages. I proceeded through both and it seemingly terminated fine. Seaside was loaded including the Seaside control panel. However, doing a right mouse over the leftmost panel (Categories) resulted in an MNU. Also stuff like syntax highlighting became inactive. Is there a way to load the latest and greatest Seaside into Pharo 1.3 with "all" pre-req dependencies resolved ? i.e. how can I load Seaside clean ? thanks in advance -Charles -- View this message in context: http://forum.world.st/Loading-Seaside-3-0-cripples-System-browser-tp3880813… Sent from the Pharo Smalltalk Users mailing list archive at Nabble.com.

Oct. 7, 2011

Re: [Pharo-users] Loading syntax highlighter in Pharo 1.3

by Charles Monteiro

hi, again. I downloaded from Jenkins this: http://jenkins.lukas-renggli.ch/job/Seaside%203.0/ just to verify, the resulting Seaside enabled image is running under the CogVM ? thanks -Charles On Thu, Oct 6, 2011 at 8:38 PM, Charles Monteiro <charles(a)nycsmalltalk.org>wrote: > thank you very much, will check that out shortly. > > > On Thu, Oct 6, 2011 at 4:36 PM, Sven Van Caekenberghe [via Smalltalk] < > ml-node+s1294792n3879880h46(a)n4.nabble.com> wrote: > >> Hi Charles, >> >> The Pharo One Click downloads from 1.3 up use the Cog VM out of the box. >> >> Also, you can get nice pre-build Pharo based Seaside images from Lukas' >> Jenkins server, including One Click variants: >> >> http://jenkins.lukas-renggli.ch/ >> >> I am currently using that one for 1.3 and it has syntax highlighting and >> completion working. >> >> HTH, >> >> Sven >> >> On 06 Oct 2011, at 21:16, Charles Monteiro wrote: >> >> > sorry for the newbie question but I pop myself in here once in a while. >> Just >> > downloaded Pharo 1.3 but decided to not use the one click since I wanted >> to >> > use the Cog VM. After loading Seaside from Squeak Source , which gave me >> a >> > couple pre-req missing warnings which I proceeded thru (not of >> relevance), I >> > began browsing around and noticed that the syntax highlighter was not >> loaded >> > or active. >> > >> > What do I have to do to get syntax highlighting back on ? >> > >> > thanks >> > >> > -Charles >> > >> > -- >> > View this message in context: >> http://forum.world.st/Loading-syntax-highlighter-in-Pharo-1-3-tp3879624p387… >> > Sent from the Pharo Smalltalk Users mailing list archive at Nabble.com. >> > >> >> >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> If you reply to this email, your message will be added to the discussion >> below: >> >> http://forum.world.st/Loading-syntax-highlighter-in-Pharo-1-3-tp3879624p387… >> To unsubscribe from Loading syntax highlighter in Pharo 1.3, click here<http://forum.world.st/template/NamlServlet.jtp?macro=unsubscribe_by_code&no…>. >> >> > > > > -- > Charles A. Monteiro > www.monteirosfusion.com > sent from the road > -- Charles A. Monteiro www.monteirosfusion.com sent from the road -- View this message in context: http://forum.world.st/Loading-syntax-highlighter-in-Pharo-1-3-tp3879624p388… Sent from the Pharo Smalltalk Users mailing list archive at Nabble.com.

Oct. 7, 2011

Re: [Pharo-users] Loading syntax highlighter in Pharo 1.3

by Charles Monteiro

thank you very much, will check that out shortly. On Thu, Oct 6, 2011 at 4:36 PM, Sven Van Caekenberghe [via Smalltalk] < ml-node+s1294792n3879880h46(a)n4.nabble.com> wrote: > Hi Charles, > > The Pharo One Click downloads from 1.3 up use the Cog VM out of the box. > > Also, you can get nice pre-build Pharo based Seaside images from Lukas' > Jenkins server, including One Click variants: > > http://jenkins.lukas-renggli.ch/ > > I am currently using that one for 1.3 and it has syntax highlighting and > completion working. > > HTH, > > Sven > > On 06 Oct 2011, at 21:16, Charles Monteiro wrote: > > > sorry for the newbie question but I pop myself in here once in a while. > Just > > downloaded Pharo 1.3 but decided to not use the one click since I wanted > to > > use the Cog VM. After loading Seaside from Squeak Source , which gave me > a > > couple pre-req missing warnings which I proceeded thru (not of > relevance), I > > began browsing around and noticed that the syntax highlighter was not > loaded > > or active. > > > > What do I have to do to get syntax highlighting back on ? > > > > thanks > > > > -Charles > > > > -- > > View this message in context: > http://forum.world.st/Loading-syntax-highlighter-in-Pharo-1-3-tp3879624p387… > > Sent from the Pharo Smalltalk Users mailing list archive at Nabble.com. > > > > > > > ------------------------------ > If you reply to this email, your message will be added to the discussion > below: > > http://forum.world.st/Loading-syntax-highlighter-in-Pharo-1-3-tp3879624p387… > To unsubscribe from Loading syntax highlighter in Pharo 1.3, click here<http://forum.world.st/template/NamlServlet.jtp?macro=unsubscribe_by_code&no…>. > > -- Charles A. Monteiro www.monteirosfusion.com sent from the road -- View this message in context: http://forum.world.st/Loading-syntax-highlighter-in-Pharo-1-3-tp3879624p388… Sent from the Pharo Smalltalk Users mailing list archive at Nabble.com.

Oct. 7, 2011

Re: [Pharo-users] Create object model from AST using visitor

by Lukas Renggli

> Do you have some pointers to classes and methods. I have trouble finding a > visitor that does this on a bigger structure. RBProgramNodeVisitor>>#visitNode:, RBProgramNode>>#acceptVisitor: and its subclass implementors. The only part of the code that is using the return value of #visitNode: is RBParseTreeSearcher and RBParseTreeRewriter. Maybe they are a bit complicated examples, because the new tree nodes are not built/modified in the visitor itself but in the matching rules triggered in #performSearches:on:. The matching rules then start new visitors for the child nodes, if necessary. A more strait-forward implementation of what you are looking for can be found in PPNodeFormatter of the package 'PrettyPetit' in the PetitParser repository. PPNodeFormatter is a subclass of RBProgramNodeVisitor and it converts the standard RB AST to a layout box model AST for formatting. There you see that for each RB AST node one or more document nodes are composed and returned. The parent-child relationship is setup automatically when composing the objects (in this example only one way, but you could change that to also include the link from the child to the parent). Lukas -- Lukas Renggli www.lukas-renggli.ch

Oct. 6, 2011

Re: [Pharo-users] Create object model from AST using visitor

by Norbert Hartl

Am 06.10.2011 um 17:48 schrieb Lukas Renggli: > The refactoring engine essentially does that. The visitor is a big > #collect: over the AST and each visit-method returns a new/modified > element. I think this is the most natural thing to do in most cases. Do you have some pointers to classes and methods. I have trouble finding a visitor that does this on a bigger structure. thanks, Norbert

Oct. 6, 2011

Re: [Pharo-users] Loading syntax highlighter in Pharo 1.3

by Sven Van Caekenberghe

Hi Charles, The Pharo One Click downloads from 1.3 up use the Cog VM out of the box. Also, you can get nice pre-build Pharo based Seaside images from Lukas' Jenkins server, including One Click variants: http://jenkins.lukas-renggli.ch/ I am currently using that one for 1.3 and it has syntax highlighting and completion working. HTH, Sven On 06 Oct 2011, at 21:16, Charles Monteiro wrote: > sorry for the newbie question but I pop myself in here once in a while. Just > downloaded Pharo 1.3 but decided to not use the one click since I wanted to > use the Cog VM. After loading Seaside from Squeak Source , which gave me a > couple pre-req missing warnings which I proceeded thru (not of relevance), I > began browsing around and noticed that the syntax highlighter was not loaded > or active. > > What do I have to do to get syntax highlighting back on ? > > thanks > > -Charles > > -- > View this message in context: http://forum.world.st/Loading-syntax-highlighter-in-Pharo-1-3-tp3879624p387… > Sent from the Pharo Smalltalk Users mailing list archive at Nabble.com. >

Oct. 6, 2011