August 2010 - Pharo-users - lists.pharo.org

Re: [Pharo-users] MethodName

by Mariano Martinez Peck

On Sun, Aug 22, 2010 at 3:09 AM, Benjamin Van Ryseghem < benjamin.vanryseghem(a)gmail.com> wrote: > Hello everybody, > > I'm working on a new project which consist in merging MethodFinder and > MessagesName. > > The first usable release can be loaded here : > > Gofer new > squeaksource: 'PharoTaskForces'; > package: 'MethodName'; > load. > > and it needs NullTextStyler > > Gofer new > squeaksource: 'PharoTaskForces'; > package: 'NullTextStyler'; > load. > > To open a Method Name browser, just clic World > Tools > Method Name or > MethodName new openInWorld. > Hi Benjamin. Thanks a lot for all the work you are doing. When we start to build PharoDev 1.2 I would like to include your new recent submission and this method finder. It is very good idea to merge both, as it was very confusing. Here is my feedback 1) You have to provide a help text somewhere. Ok, entering a message name is easy. For example, if I want to see all messages like #setUp for example. That's intuitive. But, if I want to search the method that sending to an object 'aaa' answers me 'AAA', it is not intuitive to type: 'aaa' . 'AAA' . so....this should be explained somewhere. Maybe you can add a text explaining this (like it was in the previous tool) in the code panel. Because when you first open MethodName, the code panel is empy...you can use is and write there the text. Of course, an extra button help would be nice too :) 2) In addition to 1) writing a HelpSystem chapter / Pharo Collaborative book is important. What I mean is that if we are going to include a new tool in the Pharo mainstream, then it should be easy to use and documented. 3) The scroll of "change search envirorment" is veryyyyyyy slow. I know it is not "your" fault, but maybe someone can give you an idea of how to improve this. Maybe Tudor, Alexandre, Lukas, Gary...I don't know. 4) Most of the buttons are confusing because you don't know when you should be able to use them. For example, all the button (browse, senders, etc) are only usable when you select a specific implementor. But a) they are not disable at the beginning (before choosing a selector), thus someone would try to use them just after selecting a method name. b) not all of them require an implementor. For example, to search the senders, I don't need to select a particular implementor. Just having the selector is enough. So...I would put those buttons inside the right panel (where you list the implementors) or disable (grey) them when not needed. 5) This one is difficult to explain....Take method name and type in the serach inpit: 'aaa' . 'AAA'. Hit serach and you will see 'aaa' asUppercase -> 'AAA' listed in the left panel. If you click EVERYWHERE inside that panel, the first one is selected. Thus, it is easy and fast becasue you DONT need to go the the first raw and mark it. Ok? Now....do the same but write "setUp". You will see several methods that match that. Select any of them, and in the right panel you will have a list. A lot of times, there is one implementor. And of course you want that....but doing the same of the previous case doesn't work. You have to go exactly to that raw in order to select it. okok...I know, I am lazy :) Thanks again for this Mariano > > If you have advice or ideas, I'll thank you a lot ^^ > > > Benjamin > > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-users mailing list > Pharo-users(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-users > >

Aug. 22, 2010

Re: [Pharo-users] MethodName

by StÃ©phane Ducasse

Thanks benjamin marcus wanted that since years :) I will integrate NullStyler and I should go over your other improvements... but the weather is too good :) soon will the rain I will be more productive :) Stef (cutting the lawn) http://www.hondaireland.ie/Images/ContentBuilder/Lhfas1.jpg not quite :) On Aug 22, 2010, at 3:09 AM, Benjamin Van Ryseghem wrote: > Hello everybody, > > I'm working on a new project which consist in merging MethodFinder and MessagesName. > > The first usable release can be loaded here : > > Gofer new > squeaksource: 'PharoTaskForces'; > package: 'MethodName'; > load. > > and it needs NullTextStyler > > Gofer new > squeaksource: 'PharoTaskForces'; > package: 'NullTextStyler'; > load. > > To open a Method Name browser, just clic World > Tools > Method Name or > MethodName new openInWorld. > > > If you have advice or ideas, I'll thank you a lot ^^ > > > Benjamin > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-users mailing list > Pharo-users(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-users

Aug. 22, 2010

MethodName

by Benjamin Van Ryseghem

Hello everybody, I'm working on a new project which consist in merging MethodFinder and MessagesName. The first usable release can be loaded here : Gofer new squeaksource: 'PharoTaskForces'; package: 'MethodName'; load. and it needs NullTextStyler Gofer new squeaksource: 'PharoTaskForces'; package: 'NullTextStyler'; load. To open a Method Name browser, just clic World > Tools > Method Name or MethodName new openInWorld. If you have advice or ideas, I'll thank you a lot ^^ Benjamin

Aug. 22, 2010

Re: [Pharo-users] OSProcess and capturing stdout

by Mariano Martinez Peck

Maybe David can gelp you. On Fri, Aug 20, 2010 at 9:06 AM, Dean Powell <powelldean(a)yahoo.com> wrote: > Hi: > > I'm using Pharo-1.1 OneClick on Ubuntu 10.04. One project I am looking at > would > require the use of external commands. It appears I can use something like > "ExternalUnixOSProcess command: 'do_something --option'" etc. I can > perform > external commands, but output from these still goes to stdOut. I looked > into > using CommandShell, but when I try and use this I get grumblings about not > findng PluggableTextController and PluggableTextView. > > Using OSProcess or a subclass, is there a way I can launch an external > command > but capture the output (say, to a variable)? Does Pharo yet have the > equivalent > of the c popen() command? > > Is there a way to load CommandShell without it grumbling about the two > packages > mentioned above? > > Any information would be appreciated. > > Best Regards, > Dean Powell > Edmonton, Canada > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-users mailing list > Pharo-users(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-users >

Aug. 20, 2010

Pharocasts: Install Pharo on Windows

by laurent laffont

Install Pharo on Windows You will learn how to select your chosen Pharo image and Squeak Virtual Machine versions. Recorded by Christoph "HaiColon" Budzinski. (Thank you !!) http://pharocasts.blogspot.com/2010/08/install-pharo-on-windows.html Cheers, Laurent Laffont http://pharocasts.blogspot.com/ http://magaloma.blogspot.com/

Aug. 20, 2010

OSProcess and capturing stdout

by Dean Powell

Hi: I'm using Pharo-1.1 OneClick on Ubuntu 10.04. One project I am looking at would require the use of external commands. It appears I can use something like "ExternalUnixOSProcess command: 'do_something --option'" etc. I can perform external commands, but output from these still goes to stdOut. I looked into using CommandShell, but when I try and use this I get grumblings about not findng PluggableTextController and PluggableTextView. Using OSProcess or a subclass, is there a way I can launch an external command but capture the output (say, to a variable)? Does Pharo yet have the equivalent of the c popen() command? Is there a way to load CommandShell without it grumbling about the two packages mentioned above? Any information would be appreciated. Best Regards, Dean Powell Edmonton, Canada

Aug. 20, 2010

Fwd: [Esug-list] Looking for Smalltalkers

by StÃ©phane Ducasse

Begin forwarded message: > From: "Georg Heeg" <georg(a)heeg.de> > Date: August 19, 2010 12:33:15 PM GMT+02:00 > To: "ESUG Members" <esug-list(a)lists.esug.org> > Subject: [Esug-list] Looking for Smalltalkers > Reply-To: esug-list(a)lists.esug.org > > Dear Smalltalkers, > > We are looking to enlarge our Smalltalk team in KÃ¶then (Anhalt) or Dortmund. > > Georg Heeg > > Georg Heeg eK, Dortmund und KÃ¶then, HR Dortmund A 12812 > Tel. +49-3496-214328, Fax +49-3496-214712 > _______________________________________________ > Esug-list mailing list > Esug-list(a)lists.esug.org > http://lists.esug.org/mailman/listinfo/esug-list_lists.esug.org

Aug. 19, 2010

Re: [Pharo-users] ProfStef or HelpSystem ?

by Francois Stephany

> Why not write a chapter 'Tutorial' in your help book (because of the > missing syntax highlighting)? > > > > Yes ! Could you write it ? Syntax highlighting for HelpSystem ? Or the Tutorial for Carla's project ? > I've written ProfStef to be a little interactive tutorial (primarely for > students / curious people), like http://tryruby.org/. > > HelpSystem is a real classical / official documentation system. > > Laurent Laffont > > http://pharocasts.blogspot.com/ > http://magaloma.blogspot.com/ > > > I was looking for the Metacello tutorial in the Help Browser. I had > to rewatched Laurent's screenscast to think about ProfStef... > > Cheers! > > > On 19/08/10 20:57, Carla F. Griggio wrote: > > *I think* that Prof Stef is more intended to tutorial-like help, and > Help System is more intended to reference-like contents, more like a > reference book. That's why you find several steps in a Prof Stef > lesson, > like a tutorial. > > I have to document a project now and I intend to use both: Prof > Stef to > get the user started quickly and using the project, and Help > System to > other kind of documentation, like how does it work, special comments > about some classes, how to extend it, etc. > > Cheers! > Carla > > > On Thu, Aug 19, 2010 at 3:48 PM, Francois Stephany > <tulipe.moutarde(a)gmail.com <mailto:tulipe.moutarde@gmail.com> > <mailto:tulipe.moutarde@gmail.com > <mailto:tulipe.moutarde@gmail.com>>> wrote: > > Hi all, > > What are the differences between the two systems ? > > From what I see, a ProfStef lesson is a collection of pages > with > buttons to navigate between them. > > Help System seems to be same except that it can have a > hierarchy of > pages and is more 'textual' than a ProfStef lesson (the > absence of > syntax highlighting confirms that?) > > Now I don't see why there are two different browsers/systems ? > Sorry if I'm missing something evident :/ > > > Francois > > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-users mailing list > Pharo-users(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > <mailto:Pharo-users@lists.gforge.inria.fr> > <mailto:Pharo-users@lists.gforge.inria.fr > <mailto:Pharo-users@lists.gforge.inria.fr>> > > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-users > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-users mailing list > Pharo-users(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > <mailto:Pharo-users@lists.gforge.inria.fr> > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-users > > > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-users mailing list > Pharo-users(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > <mailto:Pharo-users@lists.gforge.inria.fr> > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-users > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-users mailing list > Pharo-users(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-users

Aug. 19, 2010

Re: [Pharo-users] ProfStef or HelpSystem ?

by laurent laffont

On Thu, Aug 19, 2010 at 9:08 PM, Francois Stephany < tulipe.moutarde(a)gmail.com> wrote: > Yep ! > > Why not write a chapter 'Tutorial' in your help book (because of the > missing syntax highlighting)? > Yes ! Could you write it ? I've written ProfStef to be a little interactive tutorial (primarely for students / curious people), like http://tryruby.org/. HelpSystem is a real classical / official documentation system. Laurent Laffont http://pharocasts.blogspot.com/ http://magaloma.blogspot.com/ > > I was looking for the Metacello tutorial in the Help Browser. I had to > rewatched Laurent's screenscast to think about ProfStef... > > Cheers! > > > On 19/08/10 20:57, Carla F. Griggio wrote: > >> *I think* that Prof Stef is more intended to tutorial-like help, and >> Help System is more intended to reference-like contents, more like a >> reference book. That's why you find several steps in a Prof Stef lesson, >> like a tutorial. >> >> I have to document a project now and I intend to use both: Prof Stef to >> get the user started quickly and using the project, and Help System to >> other kind of documentation, like how does it work, special comments >> about some classes, how to extend it, etc. >> >> Cheers! >> Carla >> >> >> On Thu, Aug 19, 2010 at 3:48 PM, Francois Stephany >> <tulipe.moutarde(a)gmail.com <mailto:tulipe.moutarde@gmail.com>> wrote: >> >> Hi all, >> >> What are the differences between the two systems ? >> >> From what I see, a ProfStef lesson is a collection of pages with >> buttons to navigate between them. >> >> Help System seems to be same except that it can have a hierarchy of >> pages and is more 'textual' than a ProfStef lesson (the absence of >> syntax highlighting confirms that?) >> >> Now I don't see why there are two different browsers/systems ? >> Sorry if I'm missing something evident :/ >> >> >> Francois >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Pharo-users mailing list >> Pharo-users(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr >> <mailto:Pharo-users@lists.gforge.inria.fr> >> >> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-users >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Pharo-users mailing list >> Pharo-users(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr >> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-users >> > > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-users mailing list > Pharo-users(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-users >

Aug. 19, 2010

Re: [Pharo-users] ProfStef or HelpSystem ?

by Francois Stephany

Yep ! Why not write a chapter 'Tutorial' in your help book (because of the missing syntax highlighting)? I was looking for the Metacello tutorial in the Help Browser. I had to rewatched Laurent's screenscast to think about ProfStef... Cheers! On 19/08/10 20:57, Carla F. Griggio wrote: > *I think* that Prof Stef is more intended to tutorial-like help, and > Help System is more intended to reference-like contents, more like a > reference book. That's why you find several steps in a Prof Stef lesson, > like a tutorial. > > I have to document a project now and I intend to use both: Prof Stef to > get the user started quickly and using the project, and Help System to > other kind of documentation, like how does it work, special comments > about some classes, how to extend it, etc. > > Cheers! > Carla > > > On Thu, Aug 19, 2010 at 3:48 PM, Francois Stephany > <tulipe.moutarde(a)gmail.com <mailto:tulipe.moutarde@gmail.com>> wrote: > > Hi all, > > What are the differences between the two systems ? > > From what I see, a ProfStef lesson is a collection of pages with > buttons to navigate between them. > > Help System seems to be same except that it can have a hierarchy of > pages and is more 'textual' than a ProfStef lesson (the absence of > syntax highlighting confirms that?) > > Now I don't see why there are two different browsers/systems ? > Sorry if I'm missing something evident :/ > > > Francois > > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-users mailing list > Pharo-users(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > <mailto:Pharo-users@lists.gforge.inria.fr> > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-users > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-users mailing list > Pharo-users(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-users

Aug. 19, 2010