June 2010 - Pharo-users - lists.pharo.org

Twitter Blog: More Than Dabbling

by Sven Van Caekenberghe

Dabble has been bought by Twitter ! http://blog.twitter.com/2010/06/more-than-dabbling.html Let's hope they keep using Smalltalk. In any case, congratulations to Avi en co. Sven

June 10, 2010

Re: [Pharo-users] Using Pharo 1.1

by Sven Van Caekenberghe

Thanks for the quick answer, Mariano, I understand now. I'll work from the published 1.1 images. Sven On 10 Jun 2010, at 19:44, Mariano Martinez Peck wrote: > On Thu, Jun 10, 2010 at 4:45 PM, Sven Van Caekenberghe <sven(a)beta9.be> wrote: > Hi, > > Yet another question. > > I keep hearing and reading that Pharo 1.1 is quite usable and a lot better than 1.0 that I am currently using. Is that true ? > > > yes > > If I download Pharo-1.1-11367-Betadev10.05.1 how do I then keep up to date with the development that is presumably still going on ? > > It seems like only Pharo-Core images have this 'software update' world menu item ? > > > yes, they don't have it. Read: http://forum.world.st/update-1-1-11371-tp2229126p2231195.html > > > Or do I just have to keep on downloading the lastest released beta ? > > Just download each new PharoDev version. If you want, you can take a core and try to build yourself a dev image on top of that. But that could be unstable. > > Cheers > > mariano > > > Sorry for all the beginner questions... > > Thx, > > Sven

June 10, 2010

Re: [Pharo-users] Using Pharo 1.1

by Miguel Enrique CobÃ¡ MartÃnez

El jue, 10-06-2010 a las 19:44 +0200, Mariano Martinez Peck escribiÃ³: > > > On Thu, Jun 10, 2010 at 4:45 PM, Sven Van Caekenberghe <sven(a)beta9.be> > wrote: > Hi, > > Yet another question. > > I keep hearing and reading that Pharo 1.1 is quite usable and > a lot better than 1.0 that I am currently using. Is that > true ? > > > yes > > If I download Pharo-1.1-11367-Betadev10.05.1 how do I then > keep up to date with the development that is presumably still > going on ? > > It seems like only Pharo-Core images have this 'software > update' world menu item ? > > > yes, they don't have it. Read: > http://forum.world.st/update-1-1-11371-tp2229126p2231195.html > > > Or do I just have to keep on downloading the lastest released > beta ? > > Just download each new PharoDev version. If you want, you can take a > core and try to build yourself a dev image on top of that. But that > could be unstable. Or you could use a dev image and *only if you know that nothing bad happens to your code or the packages you use for your app* you could update manually by opening a workspace and evaluating every so: Utilities updateFromServer. But again, that is *only* if you want to track the latest developments, the common is you take a given vesion, develop your app in there, and when you have a release, take a new pharo version, update it, load your code, run your tests and deploy :) Cheers > > Cheers > > mariano > > > Sorry for all the beginner questions... > > Thx, > > Sven > > > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-users mailing list > Pharo-users(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-users > > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-users mailing list > Pharo-users(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-users -- Miguel CobÃ¡ http://miguel.leugim.com.mx

June 10, 2010

Re: [Pharo-users] Glorp & PostgresV2

by Mariano Martinez Peck

On Thu, Jun 10, 2010 at 4:20 PM, Sven Van Caekenberghe <sven(a)beta9.be>wrote: > Hi, > > A similar question regarding Glorp & PosgresV2: what is the official Pharo > standpoint regarding this ? > > I did the port of Glorp to Pharo and the dbx stuff. I don't know the "official standpoint", thus. > There is no ConfigurationOfGlorpNativePostgreSQL (there are some for DBX, > but I don't need that). > > No, no time to do it. If you want, you can easily do it. You can take as a base the one I did for squeakDBX. > I used GlorpPharoLoader loadGlorpWithNativePostgreSQLDriver. > That's what I did before I had Metacello. It is "deprecated" for SquerakDBX as now the way to install it is with Metacello, but for Glorp alone there is no Metacello...so you can use it, or as I said, create yourself a COnfigurationOfGLorp > > I had to make some small changes to GlorpDriverPostgreSQL and PostgresV2 to > make more tests succeed. > Can you explain me them? I can commit it when I have time. Or do it yourself. Does your changes also work in Pharo 1.0? > > The installer did also load the underscore.cs hack adding an ugly star in > Monticello to Compiler (Scanner#xLetter). > Yes, although it is not needed anymore in Pharo 1.1 as it is fixed :) > > But all in all it does work great and fast. > :) > > Is this something for the Pharo list or should I go ask my questions > somewhere else ? > Here is ok for this kinf of questions. If it is too Glorp related, maybe Glorp mailing list is better. cheers mariano > > Sven > > > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-users mailing list > Pharo-users(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-users >

June 10, 2010

Re: [Pharo-users] Using Pharo 1.1

by Mariano Martinez Peck

On Thu, Jun 10, 2010 at 4:45 PM, Sven Van Caekenberghe <sven(a)beta9.be>wrote: > Hi, > > Yet another question. > > I keep hearing and reading that Pharo 1.1 is quite usable and a lot better > than 1.0 that I am currently using. Is that true ? > > yes > If I download Pharo-1.1-11367-Betadev10.05.1 how do I then keep up to date > with the development that is presumably still going on ? > > It seems like only Pharo-Core images have this 'software update' world menu > item ? > > yes, they don't have it. Read: http://forum.world.st/update-1-1-11371-tp2229126p2231195.html > Or do I just have to keep on downloading the lastest released beta ? > Just download each new PharoDev version. If you want, you can take a core and try to build yourself a dev image on top of that. But that could be unstable. Cheers mariano > > Sorry for all the beginner questions... > > Thx, > > Sven > > > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-users mailing list > Pharo-users(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-users >

June 10, 2010

Using Pharo 1.1

by Sven Van Caekenberghe

Hi, Yet another question. I keep hearing and reading that Pharo 1.1 is quite usable and a lot better than 1.0 that I am currently using. Is that true ? If I download Pharo-1.1-11367-Betadev10.05.1 how do I then keep up to date with the development that is presumably still going on ? It seems like only Pharo-Core images have this 'software update' world menu item ? Or do I just have to keep on downloading the lastest released beta ? Sorry for all the beginner questions... Thx, Sven

June 10, 2010

Glorp & PostgresV2

by Sven Van Caekenberghe

Hi, A similar question regarding Glorp & PosgresV2: what is the official Pharo standpoint regarding this ? There is no ConfigurationOfGlorpNativePostgreSQL (there are some for DBX, but I don't need that). I used GlorpPharoLoader loadGlorpWithNativePostgreSQLDriver. I had to make some small changes to GlorpDriverPostgreSQL and PostgresV2 to make more tests succeed. The installer did also load the underscore.cs hack adding an ugly star in Monticello to Compiler (Scanner#xLetter). But all in all it does work great and fast. Is this something for the Pharo list or should I go ask my questions somewhere else ? Sven

June 10, 2010

Re: [Pharo-users] Alien for Squeak 4.1/Pharo 1.1?

by Joachim Geidel

Am 09.06.10 11:35 schrieb StÃ©phane Ducasse: >> Am 09.06.10 08:06 schrieb StÃ©phane Ducasse: >>> We would love to have a version of alien working for pharo on all platform. [snip] >>>> as they are redundant or obsolete in >>>> Squeak 4.1. I have a version of the Alien-Core Monticello package which >>>> loads cleanly in Squeak 4.1, if anybody is interested. However, this >>>> package >>>> does not load in Pharo 1.1 beta 11367 - some of the changes I removed still >>>> seem to be needed there. >>> >>> can you point us to them? I had a look at Alien-Prereqs and Alien-Core. Actually, it seems that all extensions to system classes except the conversion and utility methods can be removed in all three platforms. The only exception is Parser>>pragmaStatement. It is needed in Pharo 1.0, which contains an old version of that method. I have added a comment to Pharo issue #1360 (http://code.google.com/p/pharo/issues/detail?id=1360) with attached Monticello versions of Pharo-Prereqs and Pharo-Core which are compatible with Pharo 1.0, 1.1, and Squeak 4.1. Pharo-Prereqs is only needed in Pharo 1.0. The Alien tests were green on all three platforms. I have accidentally published Alien-Core to SqueakSource, but have asked John McIntosh to delete the version. I think that my changes should be reviewed by someone with better knowledge of Alien and who knows how to update the ConfigurationOfAlien, before they are released publicly. Sorry for the inconvinience, I will be more careful next time. Best regards, Joachim Geidel

June 10, 2010

WebClient

by Sven Van Caekenberghe

Hi, Andreas Raab's 'new' WebClient/WebServer seems quite nice, as he says himself: As a result, we now have what I think is a pretty decent HTTP server and client implementation for Squeak 4.1 and hopefully we can nuke HTTPSocket sometime soon. WebClient is superior in every respect. Is this something that will / should fit seamlessly into Pharo ? Or even become preinstalled ? I didn't try his ConfigurationOfWebClient since the last version was unreadable and it seemed like an experiment, while his textual explanation was easy to follow. To load it into and to make the unit tests run in Pharo 1.0 I had to make a couple of fixes (to WebCookie#printOn: and WebServer class#serverString). Who should I sent these changes to ? But even then 1 unit test failed (#testServerDestroy). Furthermore, some the changes in his package WebClient-Pharo seem a bit dangerous, especially a modification to SocketStream#peek (and the failed test was doing a peek) and an override of String#, some others are unneccessary as far as I can see. Sven -- Sven Van Caekenberghe - mailto:sven@beta9.be Beta Nine - software engineering - http://www.beta9.be .Mac - svc(a)mac.com - http://homepage.mac.com/svc

June 10, 2010

Re: [Pharo-users] JNIPort preview for Pharo available on SqueakSource

by Johan Fabry

On 09 Jun 2010, at 01:35, Tudor Girba wrote: > Hi Johan, > > It is not only reasoning about Java. A connection to Java is very useful to communicate with Java libraries (for example, graph libraries). True, I was just considering my point of view because my name propped up :-) > Also, what Johan Brichau did in VW was to directly query Eclipse for reasoning about Java. Pretty cool :) Yes, penumbra is very cool. We used it in the first version of AspectMaps built on VW. Penumbra is what I wanted Irish to be in my time, but at that time Eclipse did not have sub-method granularity for the Java code. The difficulties with the penumbra way is that Eclipse is a horrible beast to work on because of its complexity (I have some nice plugin horror stories). So Respect to JohanB for getting it working in the first place, and I understand why there is nothing like this for Pharo (yet). -- Johan Fabry jfabry(a)dcc.uchile.cl - http://dcc.uchile.cl/~jfabry PLEIAD Lab - Computer Science Department (DCC) - University of Chile

June 9, 2010