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Re: [Pharo-users] [Pharo-project] [ANN] Traits installer/uninstaller utility

by Johan Fabry

Yes it would be good to have better trait integration. In the mean time TraitsApplication is your man :-) On 16 May 2010, at 04:11, StÃ©phane Ducasse wrote: > this happens also for none trait. > One day we will have to do a large pass on monticello. -- Johan Fabry jfabry(a)dcc.uchile.cl - http://dcc.uchile.cl/~jfabry PLEIAD Lab - Computer Science Department (DCC) - University of Chile

May 16, 2010

Re: [Pharo-users] [ANN] Traits installer/uninstaller utility

by Johan Fabry

On 16 May 2010, at 03:48, Tudor Girba wrote: > I took a quick look and it looks interesting. Thanks :-) > Just a note for discussion. Executing "AspectMapsUI open" installs the traits. One of your trait extension is adding TAMStructuralZoom to FAMIXClass. > > Now, when I browse the FAMIXClass, I get this in the browser: > > ----- > FAMIXType subclass: #FAMIXClass > uses: TAMStructuralZoom > instanceVariableNames: 'isInterface' > classVariableNames: '' > poolDictionaries: '' > category: 'Famix-Core' > ----- > > There are two problems with this: > > 1. So, now if I just want to edit the base class, I have to take care and delete the Trait before, because the Trait is part of the definition. > > This is a limitation of the browser, but we have to pay attention to it. My philosophy here is to not hide anything from the developer, which is why the Trait is part of the definition. What you see is what you get. Delete the Trait when editing the base class and it goes away. What you see is what you get. So just edit the class as you want to, you can even add new Traits manually. You can always remove the TAMStructuralZoom trait (or any other trait actually) using the traits uninstaller. > 2. If you look in Monticello, the base package (FAMIX-Core in this case) is not dirty, but if you explicitly look for Changes, it gets dirty. I do not know how this could be solved. Perhaps we need extension as first class? OK this should not happen. I tried to be as close to how the browser works when redefining a class (the redefinition even gets recorded in changes) because I want to avoid breaking any magic that is going on. But apparently I did not succeed completely. If any Monticello magicians can tell me what incantation to add I would be most happy to oblige! -- Johan Fabry jfabry(a)dcc.uchile.cl - http://dcc.uchile.cl/~jfabry PLEIAD Lab - Computer Science Department (DCC) - University of Chile

May 16, 2010

Re: [Pharo-users] Newbie: Does Socket ping: 'addr' work in Pharo3.11.8 ?

by RickT

I bought the Seaside book and am reading it and PBE. (I also stumbled upon the other book in progress by reading one of your postings.) In Pharo1.0 image, when I defined the class useOldNetwork: message, it did not understand the UseOldNetwork variable to be assigned aBoolean, so I had to declare the class variable. It did not help ping work either. Does the Socket>>ping: work for you? Or am I the only one breaking on this? Thanks for your help! Mariano Martinez Peck wrote: > > On Sun, May 16, 2010 at 6:36 PM, RickT <Rick(a)emarysville.com> wrote: > >> >> I am loving the Smalltalk environment and language very much, thanks! >> (But >> I >> remain an ignorant newbie nonetheless.) I hope to later explore Seaside >> with >> Pharo as well. >> >> > Excellent. Just in case you don't know: > > http://pharobyexample.org/ > http://book.seaside.st/book > > and in progress: http://book.pharo-project.org/ > > >> To my problem: >> >> With the Pharo 1.0 image, the classVarNamed:put: message was not >> understood. >> (Same for Linux version of Pharo 1.0). >> > > Ups...sorry. Actually that was for breaking encapsulation as > NetNameResolver > does not have a setter for such class variable. > To do a quick test just implement a class side method in NetNameResolver > like this: > > useOldNetwork: aBoolean > UseOldNetwork := aBoolean > > And then evaluate: > > NetNameResolver useOldNetwork: true. > > >> With the Pharo 1.1 image you linked me to, the message was understood, >> but >> had no effect. >> >> I still cannot get Socket>>ping: to work; it always times out. >> >> > Ok...the network package is not the best in Pharo and we had several > problems :( > > > >> And yes, I meant the OS command window ping worked. For Windows XP it is >> what you would call the DOS command line. I also downloaded and tried >> the >> Pharo1.0 in my VirtualBox VM running Ubuntu. I have the same problem: I >> can ping localhost from the Linux command line, but Pharo 1.0 ping always >> times out. >> >> > Ok...I know very little about network but maybe someone can help you. > > cheers > > mariano > > > >> (I am running on a Dell M90 Precision laptop. FWIW) >> >> Thanks very much for your help. >> >> >> Mariano Martinez Peck wrote: >> > >> > On Sun, May 16, 2010 at 4:28 AM, RickT <Rick(a)emarysville.com> wrote: >> > >> >> >> >> I installed the one-click version on Windows (XP) recently and am >> >> learning >> >> Smalltalk. >> > >> > >> > Welcome! we hope you enjoy :) >> > >> > >> >> I am under the impression that in a Shout Workspace I can >> >> execute the line >> >> >> >> Socket ping: 'localhost' >> >> >> >> (or some valid address). But I always get a message that it timed >> out. >> >> I >> >> can successfully ping the same address in a command window. >> > >> > >> > Sorry I don't understand. Where you can successfully ping ? what's is >> a >> > command window? do you mean DOS or somehow outside Pharo? >> > >> > Can you try the same after evaluating: >> > >> > NetNameResolver classVarNamed: 'UseOldNetwork' put: true >> > >> > Can you try also the same but using a PharoCore 1.1 image (you can use >> the >> > same VM): >> > >> > >> https://gforge.inria.fr/frs/download.php/26995/PharoCore-1.1-11357-UNSTABLE… >> > >> > Thanks! >> > >> > Mariano >> > >> > >> >> Any guidance >> >> would be appreciated. >> >> >> >> -- >> >> View this message in context: >> >> >> http://forum.world.st/Newbie-Does-Socket-ping-addr-work-in-Pharo3-11-8-tp22… >> >> Sent from the Pharo Smalltalk Users mailing list archive at >> Nabble.com. >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> Pharo-users mailing list >> >> Pharo-users(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr >> >> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-users >> >> >> > >> > _______________________________________________ >> > Pharo-users mailing list >> > Pharo-users(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr >> > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-users >> > >> > >> >> -- >> View this message in context: >> http://forum.world.st/Newbie-Does-Socket-ping-addr-work-in-Pharo3-11-8-tp22… >> Sent from the Pharo Smalltalk Users mailing list archive at Nabble.com. >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Pharo-users mailing list >> Pharo-users(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr >> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-users >> > > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-users mailing list > Pharo-users(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-users > > -- View this message in context: http://forum.world.st/Newbie-Does-Socket-ping-addr-work-in-Pharo3-11-8-tp22… Sent from the Pharo Smalltalk Users mailing list archive at Nabble.com.

May 16, 2010

Re: [Pharo-users] Newbie: Does Socket ping: 'addr' work in Pharo3.11.8 ?

by RickT

I bought the Seaside book and am reading it and PBE. (I also stumbled upon the other book in progress by reading one of your postings.) In Pharo1.0 image, when I defined the class useOldNetwork: message, it did not understand the UseOldNetwork variable to be assigned aBoolean, so I had to declare the class variable. It did not help ping work either. Does the Socket>>ping: work for you? Or am I the only one breaking on this? Thanks for your help! -- View this message in context: http://forum.world.st/Newbie-Does-Socket-ping-addr-work-in-Pharo3-11-8-tp22… Sent from the Pharo Smalltalk Users mailing list archive at Nabble.com.

May 16, 2010

Re: [Pharo-users] Newbie: Does Socket ping: 'addr' work in Pharo3.11.8 ?

by Mariano Martinez Peck

On Sun, May 16, 2010 at 6:36 PM, RickT <Rick(a)emarysville.com> wrote: > > I am loving the Smalltalk environment and language very much, thanks! (But > I > remain an ignorant newbie nonetheless.) I hope to later explore Seaside > with > Pharo as well. > > Excellent. Just in case you don't know: http://pharobyexample.org/ http://book.seaside.st/book and in progress: http://book.pharo-project.org/ > To my problem: > > With the Pharo 1.0 image, the classVarNamed:put: message was not > understood. > (Same for Linux version of Pharo 1.0). > Ups...sorry. Actually that was for breaking encapsulation as NetNameResolver does not have a setter for such class variable. To do a quick test just implement a class side method in NetNameResolver like this: useOldNetwork: aBoolean UseOldNetwork := aBoolean And then evaluate: NetNameResolver useOldNetwork: true. > With the Pharo 1.1 image you linked me to, the message was understood, but > had no effect. > > I still cannot get Socket>>ping: to work; it always times out. > > Ok...the network package is not the best in Pharo and we had several problems :( > And yes, I meant the OS command window ping worked. For Windows XP it is > what you would call the DOS command line. I also downloaded and tried the > Pharo1.0 in my VirtualBox VM running Ubuntu. I have the same problem: I > can ping localhost from the Linux command line, but Pharo 1.0 ping always > times out. > > Ok...I know very little about network but maybe someone can help you. cheers mariano > (I am running on a Dell M90 Precision laptop. FWIW) > > Thanks very much for your help. > > > Mariano Martinez Peck wrote: > > > > On Sun, May 16, 2010 at 4:28 AM, RickT <Rick(a)emarysville.com> wrote: > > > >> > >> I installed the one-click version on Windows (XP) recently and am > >> learning > >> Smalltalk. > > > > > > Welcome! we hope you enjoy :) > > > > > >> I am under the impression that in a Shout Workspace I can > >> execute the line > >> > >> Socket ping: 'localhost' > >> > >> (or some valid address). But I always get a message that it timed out. > >> I > >> can successfully ping the same address in a command window. > > > > > > Sorry I don't understand. Where you can successfully ping ? what's is a > > command window? do you mean DOS or somehow outside Pharo? > > > > Can you try the same after evaluating: > > > > NetNameResolver classVarNamed: 'UseOldNetwork' put: true > > > > Can you try also the same but using a PharoCore 1.1 image (you can use > the > > same VM): > > > > > https://gforge.inria.fr/frs/download.php/26995/PharoCore-1.1-11357-UNSTABLE… > > > > Thanks! > > > > Mariano > > > > > >> Any guidance > >> would be appreciated. > >> > >> -- > >> View this message in context: > >> > http://forum.world.st/Newbie-Does-Socket-ping-addr-work-in-Pharo3-11-8-tp22… > >> Sent from the Pharo Smalltalk Users mailing list archive at Nabble.com. > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> Pharo-users mailing list > >> Pharo-users(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > >> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-users > >> > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Pharo-users mailing list > > Pharo-users(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-users > > > > > > -- > View this message in context: > http://forum.world.st/Newbie-Does-Socket-ping-addr-work-in-Pharo3-11-8-tp22… > Sent from the Pharo Smalltalk Users mailing list archive at Nabble.com. > > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-users mailing list > Pharo-users(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-users >

May 16, 2010

Re: [Pharo-users] Newbie: Does Socket ping: 'addr' work in Pharo3.11.8 ?

by RickT

I am loving the Smalltalk environment and language very much, thanks! (But I remain an ignorant newbie nonetheless.) I hope to later explore Seaside with Pharo as well. To my problem: With the Pharo 1.0 image, the classVarNamed:put: message was not understood. (Same for Linux version of Pharo 1.0). With the Pharo 1.1 image you linked me to, the message was understood, but had no effect. I still cannot get Socket>>ping: to work; it always times out. And yes, I meant the OS command window ping worked. For Windows XP it is what you would call the DOS command line. I also downloaded and tried the Pharo1.0 in my VirtualBox VM running Ubuntu. I have the same problem: I can ping localhost from the Linux command line, but Pharo 1.0 ping always times out. (I am running on a Dell M90 Precision laptop. FWIW) Thanks very much for your help. Mariano Martinez Peck wrote: > > On Sun, May 16, 2010 at 4:28 AM, RickT <Rick(a)emarysville.com> wrote: > >> >> I installed the one-click version on Windows (XP) recently and am >> learning >> Smalltalk. > > > Welcome! we hope you enjoy :) > > >> I am under the impression that in a Shout Workspace I can >> execute the line >> >> Socket ping: 'localhost' >> >> (or some valid address). But I always get a message that it timed out. >> I >> can successfully ping the same address in a command window. > > > Sorry I don't understand. Where you can successfully ping ? what's is a > command window? do you mean DOS or somehow outside Pharo? > > Can you try the same after evaluating: > > NetNameResolver classVarNamed: 'UseOldNetwork' put: true > > Can you try also the same but using a PharoCore 1.1 image (you can use the > same VM): > > https://gforge.inria.fr/frs/download.php/26995/PharoCore-1.1-11357-UNSTABLE… > > Thanks! > > Mariano > > >> Any guidance >> would be appreciated. >> >> -- >> View this message in context: >> http://forum.world.st/Newbie-Does-Socket-ping-addr-work-in-Pharo3-11-8-tp22… >> Sent from the Pharo Smalltalk Users mailing list archive at Nabble.com. >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Pharo-users mailing list >> Pharo-users(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr >> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-users >> > > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-users mailing list > Pharo-users(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-users > > -- View this message in context: http://forum.world.st/Newbie-Does-Socket-ping-addr-work-in-Pharo3-11-8-tp22… Sent from the Pharo Smalltalk Users mailing list archive at Nabble.com.

May 16, 2010

Re: [Pharo-users] Newbie: Does Socket ping: 'addr' work in Pharo3.11.8 ?

by StÃ©phane Ducasse

On May 16, 2010, at 4:28 AM, RickT wrote: > > I installed the one-click version on Windows (XP) recently and am learning > Smalltalk. Welcome and do not hesitate questions - we are all learning :) > I am under the impression that in a Shout Workspace I can > execute the line > > Socket ping: 'localhost' > > (or some valid address). But I always get a message that it timed out. I > can successfully ping the same address in a command window. Any guidance > would be appreciated. > > -- > View this message in context: http://forum.world.st/Newbie-Does-Socket-ping-addr-work-in-Pharo3-11-8-tp22… > Sent from the Pharo Smalltalk Users mailing list archive at Nabble.com. > > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-users mailing list > Pharo-users(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-users

May 16, 2010

Re: [Pharo-users] Newbie: Does Socket ping: 'addr' work in Pharo3.11.8 ?

by Mariano Martinez Peck

On Sun, May 16, 2010 at 4:28 AM, RickT <Rick(a)emarysville.com> wrote: > > I installed the one-click version on Windows (XP) recently and am learning > Smalltalk. Welcome! we hope you enjoy :) > I am under the impression that in a Shout Workspace I can > execute the line > > Socket ping: 'localhost' > > (or some valid address). But I always get a message that it timed out. I > can successfully ping the same address in a command window. Sorry I don't understand. Where you can successfully ping ? what's is a command window? do you mean DOS or somehow outside Pharo? Can you try the same after evaluating: NetNameResolver classVarNamed: 'UseOldNetwork' put: true Can you try also the same but using a PharoCore 1.1 image (you can use the same VM): https://gforge.inria.fr/frs/download.php/26995/PharoCore-1.1-11357-UNSTABLE… Thanks! Mariano > Any guidance > would be appreciated. > > -- > View this message in context: > http://forum.world.st/Newbie-Does-Socket-ping-addr-work-in-Pharo3-11-8-tp22… > Sent from the Pharo Smalltalk Users mailing list archive at Nabble.com. > > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-users mailing list > Pharo-users(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-users >

May 16, 2010

Anyone wants to put style to the welcome workspace?

by Mariano Martinez Peck

Hi folks. Any volunteer to make the welcome workspace nicer? Now it is just plane text. Maybe adding some style to title, colors etc may be cool. I don't know how to do it, neither I have too much time. If you want to see where it is such code it is in DEVImageWorkspaces >> openWelcomeWorkspace in the package ImageForDevelopers-pharo from the repository http://www.squeaksource.com/ImageForDevelopers Thanks in case someone can help. Mariano

May 16, 2010

Re: [Pharo-users] [ANN] Traits installer/uninstaller utility

by StÃ©phane Ducasse

On May 16, 2010, at 9:48 AM, Tudor Girba wrote: > Hi Johan, > > I took a quick look and it looks interesting. > > Just a note for discussion. Executing "AspectMapsUI open" installs the traits. One of your trait extension is adding TAMStructuralZoom to FAMIXClass. > > Now, when I browse the FAMIXClass, I get this in the browser: > > ----- > FAMIXType subclass: #FAMIXClass > uses: TAMStructuralZoom > instanceVariableNames: 'isInterface' > classVariableNames: '' > poolDictionaries: '' > category: 'Famix-Core' > ----- > > There are two problems with this: > > 1. So, now if I just want to edit the base class, I have to take care and delete the Trait before, because the Trait is part of the definition. > > This is a limitation of the browser, but we have to pay attention to it. > > 2. If you look in Monticello, the base package (FAMIX-Core in this case) is not dirty, but if you explicitly look for Changes, it gets dirty. I do not know how this could be solved. Perhaps we need extension as first class? this happens also for none trait. One day we will have to do a large pass on monticello. > > Cheers, > Doru > > > On 16 May 2010, at 02:36, Johan Fabry wrote: > >> Hi all, >> >> this is a small package that I wrote after doing a traits-based refactoring of AspectMaps (Plug: Check out AspectMaps for a cool visualization of Aspects. http://pleiad.cl/aspectmaps. It has nice screencasts. All comments welcome!) >> >> AspectMaps extends a number of classes of FAMIX to do its thing, using standard class extensions. This works OK when you are not using traits. But when using a trait, you need to redef the class, i.e. change the original package (in this case one of the moose packages). A big no-no. This kind of change should also be encapusulated in the AspectMaps package, but currently this is not possible. So, as long as traits and packages dont play well together, these kinds of refactorings are out. >> >> However not so when you are using the TraitsApplication package. This package provides a means to programmatically install/uninstall traits. Call it in a post-load action on a package (if such a thing exists), in a class initialize method, et cetera (for AspectMaps I do it in the AspectMaps>>open method). I thought this could be useful to some members of the community so I am releasing it publicly. You can find it at http://www.squeaksource.com/TraitsApplication >> >> CAVEAT: This is a quick implementation, it is non-optimal. It can be made much more elegant, but that requires time that I dont have right now :-(. I does not handle fancy trait compositions (yet). I give no guarantees other than that >> 1) it passes all of its tests >> 2) it works for me :-) >> >> So check it out. Comments are welcome! >> -- >> Johan Fabry >> jfabry(a)dcc.uchile.cl - http://dcc.uchile.cl/~jfabry >> PLEIAD Lab - Computer Science Department (DCC) - University of Chile >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Pharo-users mailing list >> Pharo-users(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr >> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-users > > -- > www.tudorgirba.com > > "Speaking louder won't make the point worthier." > > > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-users mailing list > Pharo-users(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-users

May 16, 2010