May 2010 - Pharo-users - lists.pharo.org

Re: [Pharo-users] I'm new

by StÃ©phane Ducasse

Welcome on board, to help you can - check that a reported bug is really a bug - report bugs - add class comments - read and review tests (some of them may not make sense) - check if existing packages like HTMLParser or other are working on pharo... Stef On May 9, 2010, at 10:52 PM, Deathiop.dev wrote: > Hello everybody, > > I'm a recent Pharo user and I think it's pretty good. > So I really want to help. I went on the bug tracker but it seems difficult for me to resolve this kind of issues for the moment. > > This brings me to a really simple question: How can I help ? > > Regard, > Deathiop. _______________________________________________ > Pharo-users mailing list > Pharo-users(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-users

May 10, 2010

Re: [Pharo-users] Resolving some dependencies...

by StÃ©phane Ducasse

> > > > > PS: When I used ConfigurationOfPharoMorphicExtras, it loaded some Morphic packages but not the MorphicExtras package itself, I had to load it manually later. Is that OK? > > Yes because MorphicExtras-StephaneDucasse.144 is a dead package. It is full of crap or experimental code. > > > But anyway, I think she is right. she is not > The package MorphicExtras should be loaded, together with MorphExamplesAndDemos and LED, shouldn't it ? No it should NOT! Check the classes in there and you will see that you do NOT want that in your image. :) What I did was to extract the MorphExampleAndDemos where I cleaned the code made sure that the xamples are working...... So MorphicExtras should just be there so that people can extract something that they would like to repackage. Period. > > Cheers > > mariano > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Pharo-users mailing list > > Pharo-users(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-users > > > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-users mailing list > Pharo-users(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-users > > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-users mailing list > Pharo-users(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-users

May 10, 2010

Re: [Pharo-users] Resolving some dependencies...

by Mariano Martinez Peck

On Mon, May 10, 2010 at 8:21 AM, StÃ©phane Ducasse <stephane.ducasse(a)inria.fr > wrote: > > On May 10, 2010, at 8:05 AM, Carla F. Griggio wrote: > > > Hi everyone! > > > > I'm trying to load a sar archive for Connectors into Pharo and I need to > resolve some dependencies in order to do that. In other words, I want to > port Connectors from Squeak to Pharo. > > you mean a subset. :) > Fernando olivero mentioned that he started a port > > Yes. I was going to send you the link but I saw Carla already answered there....so I guess she is aware of that. > > > > > PS: When I used ConfigurationOfPharoMorphicExtras, it loaded some Morphic > packages but not the MorphicExtras package itself, I had to load it > manually later. Is that OK? > > Yes because MorphicExtras-StephaneDucasse.144 is a dead package. It is full > of crap or experimental code. > > But anyway, I think she is right. The package MorphicExtras should be loaded, together with MorphExamplesAndDemos and LED, shouldn't it ? Cheers mariano > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Pharo-users mailing list > > Pharo-users(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-users > > > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-users mailing list > Pharo-users(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-users >

May 10, 2010

Re: [Pharo-users] I'm new

by laurent laffont

On Sun, May 9, 2010 at 10:52 PM, Deathiop.dev <deathiop.dev(a)gmail.com>wrote: > Hello everybody, > > I'm a recent Pharo user and I think it's pretty good. > So I really want to help. I went on the bug tracker but it seems difficult > for me to resolve this kind of issues for the moment. > > This brings me to a really simple question: How can I help ? > Hi, for me a good way to learn as an hobbyist is to contribute to documentation. You can write for HelpSystem. Contribute to pharocasts :) http://pharocasts.blogspot.com/ or write some stuff on the collaborative book http://book.pharo-project.org/ An easy way to help is also to write/maintain Metacello configurations for working packages. http://www.squeaksource.com/MetacelloRepository Cheers, Laurent Laffont > > Regard, > Deathiop. > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-users mailing list > Pharo-users(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-users > >

May 10, 2010

Re: [Pharo-users] Using FFI to call a MacOs System function

by David Wilson

Hi Mariano Thanks for the tips. I haven't had time to follow these up, I should do in the next few days, and I'll post a reply in the forum. Thanks David On 05 May, 2010, at 23:15, Mariano Martinez Peck wrote: BTW....keyboards seems to be a .h (a header) , but not a library...at least in my mac Do you have also the library ? I am still newbie with the Mac OS :( Cheers mariano On Wed, May 5, 2010 at 11:10 PM, Mariano Martinez Peck <marianopeck(a)gmail.com> wrote: On Tue, May 4, 2010 at 4:46 PM, David Wilson <djwilson(a)bluewin.ch> wrote: Hi I'm new to Pharo (although I was a Smalltalk programmer in the 90's), and I'm trying to use FFI to access an MacOs system function: Hi and welcome! apiKLGetKeyboardLayoutCount < cdecl: ulong 'KLGetKeyboardLayoutCount' (void) module: 'keyboards'> ^ self externalCallFailed. I get an error "'Unable to find function address'" which seems to say the OS-module "keyboards" can't be found. Exactly. That's the problem. I can't figure out what the address should be. The function is defined here: http://developer.apple.com/legacy/mac/ library/documentation/Carbon/Reference/KeyboardLayoutServices/ Reference/reference.html (yes, it's deprecated, I have a very old mac runnning 10.4). But you see the library in your computer, isn't it ? I mean, it is there, but FFI doesn't find it ? I'm not sure if I'm using FFI correctly, do I have to somehow include the external library in the Pharo VM? No, you shouldn't need to do that. However, you can try to put them there just to see if that's the problem. I think that at some point (depends on an order) the library is searched in the same place where you are calling from. So, yes, do a test, but just a test. It should work without doing that. How did you install FFI ? Which Pharo VM and image versions are you using ? Can anyone help? I would like too, but I don't have such library. I developed a wrapper for a Clibrary called OpenDBX using FFI. In our website, some people experimented similar problems. Please take a look to the title "Problems with Mac OS:" of the following link: http://www.squeakdbx.org/Compiling%20and%20installing%20OpenDBX I also cc'ed people that can help you. Cheers Mariano I'm looked for FFI examples, but don't find anything helpful. David _______________________________________________ Pharo-users mailing list Pharo-users(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-users _______________________________________________ Pharo-users mailing list Pharo-users(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-users

May 10, 2010

Re: [Pharo-users] Resolving some dependencies...

by StÃ©phane Ducasse

On May 10, 2010, at 8:05 AM, Carla F. Griggio wrote: > Hi everyone! > > I'm trying to load a sar archive for Connectors into Pharo and I need to resolve some dependencies in order to do that. In other words, I want to port Connectors from Squeak to Pharo. you mean a subset. :) Fernando olivero mentioned that he started a port > > It seems that Connectors dependes on several classes of Morphic and Etoys that don't come with the latest Pharo images. The dependencies I need to resolve are: > â¢ TileMorph > â¢ PhraseTileMorph > â¢ Presenter > â¢ Player > â¢ Vocabulary > â¢ SymbolListType > â¢ ObjectPropertiesMorph > â¢ GenericPropertiesMorph create a stub for them. > I already resolved the following dependencies loading the packages in this repository: http://www.squeaksource.com/PharoMorphicExtras > â¢ PartsBin > â¢ ObjectsTool > â¢ BookMorph > â¢ GraphicalDictionaryMenu I can tell you that we will never load a package that load these classes back so be aware of that :) > I started browsing classes in Squeak to follow these dependencies, and the "dependency tree" seems kind of deep, so exporting classes from Squeak and importing them into Pharo manually feels kind of dirty, I always end up having to resolve yet anoher dependency... just create stub and load and see what is working. > So I started looking for some Metacello configurations that could help me with this, but I just found ConfigurationOfPharoMorphicExtras, which helped me with some of the dependencies but not all of them. > > Are there any Metacello configurations that could help me with this, at least with some of the dependencies? Or should I keep tracing dependencies and doing this 'manual porting' from Squeak to Pharo? No > > Thanks in advance! > > Carla. > > PS: When I used ConfigurationOfPharoMorphicExtras, it loaded some Morphic packages but not the MorphicExtras package itself, I had to load it manually later. Is that OK? Yes because MorphicExtras is a dead package. It is full of crap or experimental code. > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-users mailing list > Pharo-users(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-users

May 10, 2010

Resolving some dependencies...

by Carla F. Griggio

Hi everyone! I'm trying to load a sar archive for Connectors into Pharo and I need to resolve some dependencies in order to do that. In other words, I want to port Connectors from Squeak to Pharo. It seems that Connectors dependes on several classes of Morphic and Etoys that don't come with the latest Pharo images. The dependencies I need to resolve are: - TileMorph - PhraseTileMorph - Presenter - Player - Vocabulary - SymbolListType - ObjectPropertiesMorph - GenericPropertiesMorph I already resolved the following dependencies loading the packages in this repository: http://www.squeaksource.com/PharoMorphicExtras - PartsBin - ObjectsTool - BookMorph - GraphicalDictionaryMenu I started browsing classes in Squeak to follow these dependencies, and the "dependency tree" seems kind of deep, so exporting classes from Squeak and importing them into Pharo manually feels kind of dirty, I always end up having to resolve *yet* *anoher* dependency... So I started looking for some Metacello configurations that could help me with this, but I just found ConfigurationOfPharoMorphicExtras, which helped me with some of the dependencies but not all of them. Are there any Metacello configurations that could help me with this, at least with some of the dependencies? Or should I keep tracing dependencies and doing this 'manual porting' from Squeak to Pharo? Thanks in advance! Carla. PS: When I used ConfigurationOfPharoMorphicExtras, it loaded some Morphic packages but not the MorphicExtras package itself, I had to load it manually later. Is that OK?

May 10, 2010

Re: [Pharo-users] [Pharo-project] I'm new

by StÃ©phane Ducasse

> > http://book.pharo-project.com

May 10, 2010

Re: [Pharo-users] I'm new

by Igor Stasenko

On 9 May 2010 23:52, Deathiop.dev <deathiop.dev(a)gmail.com> wrote: > Hello everybody, > > I'm a recent Pharo user and I think it's pretty good. > So I really want to help. I went on the bug tracker but it seems difficult > for me to resolve this kind of issues for the moment. > > This brings me to a really simple question: How can I help ? > Fixing the stuff is only a part of process. If you feel that you are not ready to code, you can help with testing stuff, reporting bugs, and sharing your overall experience with newest releases. Telling friends about Pharo helps as well :) > Regard, > Deathiop. > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-users mailing list > Pharo-users(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-users > > -- Best regards, Igor Stasenko AKA sig.

May 9, 2010

Re: [Pharo-users] I'm new

by Mariano Martinez Peck

On Sun, May 9, 2010 at 10:52 PM, Deathiop.dev <deathiop.dev(a)gmail.com>wrote: > Hello everybody, > > I'm a recent Pharo user and I think it's pretty good. > Hi and welcome! > So I really want to help. I went on the bug tracker but it seems difficult > for me to resolve this kind of issues for the moment. > > I don't know how did you checks the issues, but just in case, you can try with this link: http://code.google.com/p/pharo/issues/list?can=2&q=&sort=difficulty&colspec… If you look on the top, you will see all the issues that are tagged as easy. Of course, for a new comer, that "easy" may even be difficut, so don't worry ;) But you can help with a lot of things, not only fixing bugs. The first thing I would advice you, is that if you want to collaborate in Pharo development, you should register in "Pharo Development" < pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr>. This mailing list is mostly for people that just want to use Pharo. In such mailing list, you will see and keep track of all the progress, problems, etc. One of the things to do is to test for example when someone commits a change or a fix and ask for testing/feedback. Just someone to say "it works here" or "it didn't work for me" are perfect. The same when someone creates an issue. Just saying "I could reproduce" is good. Then, you can help us and make a better documentation: the website, the FAQ, Pharo By Exmple (http://pharobyexample.org/) and the last pharo book: http://book.seaside.st/ You may want to read, review, give feedback, etc. Another cool way of learning is writing unit tests. You can collaborate writing unit tests and committing them. That's all I have in mind. I hope you join! Cheers Mariano > This brings me to a really simple question: How can I help ? > > Regard, > Deathiop. > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-users mailing list > Pharo-users(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-users > >

May 9, 2010