May 2010 - Pharo-users - lists.pharo.org

Re: [Pharo-users] ecompletion - smart characters

by Carla F. Griggio

It may feel annoying at first, but it gets really confortable in (little) time. Selecting text and "surround" it with a pair of brackets/quotes/etc. is just great. The feuture that is bothering you really helps to type quicker and cleaner once you get used to it. Maybe... there could be some kind of shortcut to write just the opening bracket/quote/whatever without it's closing pair? For example, if I press *Shift+8* I get *()*. But if I press *Alt+Shift+8* I could get just *(*. Do you think that could be more confortable to avoid deleting the closing character? On Mon, May 10, 2010 at 7:18 PM, Mariano Martinez Peck < marianopeck(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > On Tue, May 11, 2010 at 12:04 AM, Ron Jeffries <ronjeffries(a)acm.org>wrote: > >> Hello, Tudor. On Monday, May 10, 2010, at 5:38:07 PM, you wrote: >> >> > If I understood correctly it is about the matching of brackets and >> > quotes. In this regard, the completion behaves exactly like TextMate. >> >> > So, why is this a bug? >> >> How do you manage to type a single quote in TextMate? Does that work >> in Pharo? >> >> > Good question. But I don't know. This "feature" is from the package Shout > that is installed in Pharo dev images. If you take a PharoCore for example, > it doesn't happen. > > >> I keep winding up with too many right parens. It is possible that I >> am typing too many. My suspicion is that Pharo is providing too >> many. >> > > This is how it works: > > 1) when you type the LEFT side of: { , [ , ( , " , ' etc .... it will > AUTOMATICALLY open the other pair. This is because this is usually the case: > you open the left one, you will probably need to open the right one. > > 2) when you type the RIGHT side, it only writes the right side. > > 3) When you remove a left side of the two recently created ( like 1) ) , > just after creating it, it removes both of them: left and right > > > Let me remark something. The style to work with this tool, is not to go to > left, type, then go to right, and type. I mean, suppose I have this > > Transcript show: 5 timesRepeat: ['something'] > > and I need to have it like this: > > > Transcript show: (5 timesRepeat: ['something']) > > the whay to work with Pharo is not: > > Transcript show: (5 timesRepeat: ['something'] > > then > > Transcript show: (5 timesRepeat: ['something']) > > The idea is that you FIRST select the code you want, and then, you press > the LEFT side of what you want. In that case, you select "5 timesRepeat: > ['something']" and with that selected you press "(" . And the same with all > those characters. > > It is difficult to explain by chat hahahaha. I think they are very very > useful, but you have to get use to. When I started with Pharo I was still a > java developer..so I was the whole day with Eclipse and then at night with > Pharo...and it was incredible how I was trying to work this way in Eclipse, > in gmail, in TextEdit etc hahahahha > > Cheers > > Mariano > > > >> >> Ron Jeffries >> www.XProgramming.com >> www.xprogramming.com/blog >> New and stirring things are belittled because if they are not belittled, >> the humiliating question arises, "Why then are you not taking part in >> them?" -- H. G. Wells >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Pharo-users mailing list >> Pharo-users(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr >> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-users >> > > > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-users mailing list > Pharo-users(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-users > >

May 10, 2010

Re: [Pharo-users] ecompletion - smart characters

by Mariano Martinez Peck

On Tue, May 11, 2010 at 12:04 AM, Ron Jeffries <ronjeffries(a)acm.org> wrote: > Hello, Tudor. On Monday, May 10, 2010, at 5:38:07 PM, you wrote: > > > If I understood correctly it is about the matching of brackets and > > quotes. In this regard, the completion behaves exactly like TextMate. > > > So, why is this a bug? > > How do you manage to type a single quote in TextMate? Does that work > in Pharo? > > Good question. But I don't know. This "feature" is from the package Shout that is installed in Pharo dev images. If you take a PharoCore for example, it doesn't happen. > I keep winding up with too many right parens. It is possible that I > am typing too many. My suspicion is that Pharo is providing too > many. > This is how it works: 1) when you type the LEFT side of: { , [ , ( , " , ' etc .... it will AUTOMATICALLY open the other pair. This is because this is usually the case: you open the left one, you will probably need to open the right one. 2) when you type the RIGHT side, it only writes the right side. 3) When you remove a left side of the two recently created ( like 1) ) , just after creating it, it removes both of them: left and right Let me remark something. The style to work with this tool, is not to go to left, type, then go to right, and type. I mean, suppose I have this Transcript show: 5 timesRepeat: ['something'] and I need to have it like this: Transcript show: (5 timesRepeat: ['something']) the whay to work with Pharo is not: Transcript show: (5 timesRepeat: ['something'] then Transcript show: (5 timesRepeat: ['something']) The idea is that you FIRST select the code you want, and then, you press the LEFT side of what you want. In that case, you select "5 timesRepeat: ['something']" and with that selected you press "(" . And the same with all those characters. It is difficult to explain by chat hahahaha. I think they are very very useful, but you have to get use to. When I started with Pharo I was still a java developer..so I was the whole day with Eclipse and then at night with Pharo...and it was incredible how I was trying to work this way in Eclipse, in gmail, in TextEdit etc hahahahha Cheers Mariano > > Ron Jeffries > www.XProgramming.com > www.xprogramming.com/blog > New and stirring things are belittled because if they are not belittled, > the humiliating question arises, "Why then are you not taking part in > them?" -- H. G. Wells > > > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-users mailing list > Pharo-users(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-users >

May 10, 2010

Re: [Pharo-users] ecompletion - smart characters

by Ron Jeffries

Hello, Tudor. On Monday, May 10, 2010, at 5:38:07 PM, you wrote: > If I understood correctly it is about the matching of brackets and > quotes. In this regard, the completion behaves exactly like TextMate. > So, why is this a bug? How do you manage to type a single quote in TextMate? Does that work in Pharo? I keep winding up with too many right parens. It is possible that I am typing too many. My suspicion is that Pharo is providing too many. Ron Jeffries www.XProgramming.com www.xprogramming.com/blog New and stirring things are belittled because if they are not belittled, the humiliating question arises, "Why then are you not taking part in them?" -- H. G. Wells

May 10, 2010

Re: [Pharo-users] ecompletion - smart characters

by Tudor Girba

If I understood correctly it is about the matching of brackets and quotes. In this regard, the completion behaves exactly like TextMate. So, why is this a bug? Doru On 10 May 2010, at 23:26, Adrian Lienhard wrote: > Thanks for the report. Please open a ticket and describe what is > wrong and how you would expect it to work: > > http://code.google.com/p/pharo/issues/entry > > Patches are also welcome. > > You can also disable the feature. Open a preference browser and > search for "bracket". > > Cheers, > Adrian > > On May 10, 2010, at 22:58 , Johan Fabry wrote: > >> I am very annoyed. >> >> Please turn this OFF by default. It is for me the most !@#$%^ way >> auto bracket typing is implemented. There is no obvious way to type >> a single ' or [ or ... I type it once, I get two. I delete one of >> them, the other also dissapears. Aaargh! >> >> -- >> Johan Fabry >> jfabry(a)dcc.uchile.cl - http://dcc.uchile.cl/~jfabry >> PLEIAD Lab - Computer Science Department (DCC) - University of Chile >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Pharo-users mailing list >> Pharo-users(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr >> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-users > > > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-users mailing list > Pharo-users(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-users -- www.tudorgirba.com "Problem solving should be concentrated on describing the problem in a way that is relevant for the solution."

May 10, 2010

Re: [Pharo-users] ecompletion - smart characters

by Adrian Lienhard

Thanks for the report. Please open a ticket and describe what is wrong and how you would expect it to work: http://code.google.com/p/pharo/issues/entry Patches are also welcome. You can also disable the feature. Open a preference browser and search for "bracket". Cheers, Adrian On May 10, 2010, at 22:58 , Johan Fabry wrote: > I am very annoyed. > > Please turn this OFF by default. It is for me the most !@#$%^ way auto bracket typing is implemented. There is no obvious way to type a single ' or [ or ... I type it once, I get two. I delete one of them, the other also dissapears. Aaargh! > > -- > Johan Fabry > jfabry(a)dcc.uchile.cl - http://dcc.uchile.cl/~jfabry > PLEIAD Lab - Computer Science Department (DCC) - University of Chile > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-users mailing list > Pharo-users(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-users

May 10, 2010

Re: [Pharo-users] ecompletion - smart characters

by Tudor Girba

Delete the last one :) Doru On 10 May 2010, at 22:58, Johan Fabry wrote: > I am very annoyed. > > Please turn this OFF by default. It is for me the most !@#$%^ way > auto bracket typing is implemented. There is no obvious way to type > a single ' or [ or ... I type it once, I get two. I delete one of > them, the other also dissapears. Aaargh! > > -- > Johan Fabry > jfabry(a)dcc.uchile.cl - http://dcc.uchile.cl/~jfabry > PLEIAD Lab - Computer Science Department (DCC) - University of Chile > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-users mailing list > Pharo-users(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-users -- www.tudorgirba.com "No matter how many recipes we know, we still value a chef."

May 10, 2010

ecompletion - smart characters

by Johan Fabry

I am very annoyed. Please turn this OFF by default. It is for me the most !@#$%^ way auto bracket typing is implemented. There is no obvious way to type a single ' or [ or ... I type it once, I get two. I delete one of them, the other also dissapears. Aaargh! -- Johan Fabry jfabry(a)dcc.uchile.cl - http://dcc.uchile.cl/~jfabry PLEIAD Lab - Computer Science Department (DCC) - University of Chile

May 10, 2010

Re: [Pharo-users] Resolving some dependencies...

by StÃ©phane Ducasse

ExtraMorphs? On May 10, 2010, at 5:15 PM, Mariano Martinez Peck wrote: > > > On Mon, May 10, 2010 at 5:09 PM, Carla F. Griggio <carla.griggio(a)gmail.com> wrote: > Uff, then... I'll have to do some work over this :) > > About MorphicExtras, if you say it's a lot of crap, I trust you. > > me too. > > But the name of ConfigurationOfPharoMorphicExtras suggests that it will load MorphicExtras (at least for me, because I had the package name 'Morphic Extras' stucked in my head when I found the metacello configuration) :$ So that might be a little confusing. > > That's exactly why I asked. Stef, Carla, do you have a better name for such configuration ? > > Cheers > > Mariano > > > > Thanks! > > Carla > > > On Mon, May 10, 2010 at 8:03 AM, StÃ©phane Ducasse <stephane.ducasse(a)inria.fr> wrote: > > > > > > > > PS: When I used ConfigurationOfPharoMorphicExtras, it loaded some Morphic packages but not the MorphicExtras package itself, I had to load it manually later. Is that OK? > > > > Yes because MorphicExtras-StephaneDucasse.144 is a dead package. It is full of crap or experimental code. > > > > > > > > > But anyway, I think she is right. > > she is not > > > The package MorphicExtras should be loaded, together with MorphExamplesAndDemos and LED, shouldn't it ? > > No it should NOT! > Check the classes in there and you will see that you do NOT want that in your image. :) > What I did was to extract the MorphExampleAndDemos where I cleaned the code made sure that the xamples > are working...... > > So MorphicExtras should just be there so that people can extract something that they would like to repackage. Period. > > > > > Cheers > > > > mariano > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Pharo-users mailing list > > > Pharo-users(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > > > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-users > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Pharo-users mailing list > > Pharo-users(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-users > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Pharo-users mailing list > > Pharo-users(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-users > > > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-users mailing list > Pharo-users(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-users > > > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-users mailing list > Pharo-users(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-users > > > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-users mailing list > Pharo-users(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-users

May 10, 2010

Re: [Pharo-users] Resolving some dependencies...

by Mariano Martinez Peck

On Mon, May 10, 2010 at 5:09 PM, Carla F. Griggio <carla.griggio(a)gmail.com>wrote: > Uff, then... I'll have to do some work over this :) > > About MorphicExtras, if you say it's a lot of crap, I trust you. me too. > But the name of ConfigurationOfPharoMorphicExtras suggests that it will > load MorphicExtras (at least for me, because I had the package name 'Morphic > Extras' stucked in my head when I found the metacello configuration) :$ So > that might be a little confusing. > That's exactly why I asked. Stef, Carla, do you have a better name for such configuration ? Cheers Mariano > Thanks! > > Carla > > > On Mon, May 10, 2010 at 8:03 AM, StÃ©phane Ducasse < > stephane.ducasse(a)inria.fr> wrote: > >> > >> > > >> > > PS: When I used ConfigurationOfPharoMorphicExtras, it loaded some >> Morphic packages but not the MorphicExtras package itself, I had to load it >> manually later. Is that OK? >> > >> > Yes because MorphicExtras-StephaneDucasse.144 is a dead package. It is >> full of crap or experimental code. >> >> >> >> > >> > >> > But anyway, I think she is right. >> >> she is not >> >> > The package MorphicExtras should be loaded, together with >> MorphExamplesAndDemos and LED, shouldn't it ? >> >> No it should NOT! >> Check the classes in there and you will see that you do NOT want that in >> your image. :) >> What I did was to extract the MorphExampleAndDemos where I cleaned the >> code made sure that the xamples >> are working...... >> >> So MorphicExtras should just be there so that people can extract something >> that they would like to repackage. Period. >> >> > >> > Cheers >> > >> > mariano >> > >> > >> > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > _______________________________________________ >> > > Pharo-users mailing list >> > > Pharo-users(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr >> > > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-users >> > >> > >> > _______________________________________________ >> > Pharo-users mailing list >> > Pharo-users(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr >> > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-users >> > >> > _______________________________________________ >> > Pharo-users mailing list >> > Pharo-users(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr >> > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-users >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Pharo-users mailing list >> Pharo-users(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr >> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-users >> > > > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-users mailing list > Pharo-users(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-users > >

May 10, 2010

Re: [Pharo-users] Resolving some dependencies...

by Carla F. Griggio

Uff, then... I'll have to do some work over this :) About MorphicExtras, if you say it's a lot of crap, I trust you. But the name of ConfigurationOfPharoMorphicExtras suggests that it will load MorphicExtras (at least for me, because I had the package name 'Morphic Extras' stucked in my head when I found the metacello configuration) :$ So that might be a little confusing. Thanks! Carla On Mon, May 10, 2010 at 8:03 AM, StÃ©phane Ducasse <stephane.ducasse(a)inria.fr > wrote: > > > > > > > > PS: When I used ConfigurationOfPharoMorphicExtras, it loaded some > Morphic packages but not the MorphicExtras package itself, I had to load it > manually later. Is that OK? > > > > Yes because MorphicExtras-StephaneDucasse.144 is a dead package. It is > full of crap or experimental code. > > > > > > > > > But anyway, I think she is right. > > she is not > > > The package MorphicExtras should be loaded, together with > MorphExamplesAndDemos and LED, shouldn't it ? > > No it should NOT! > Check the classes in there and you will see that you do NOT want that in > your image. :) > What I did was to extract the MorphExampleAndDemos where I cleaned the code > made sure that the xamples > are working...... > > So MorphicExtras should just be there so that people can extract something > that they would like to repackage. Period. > > > > > Cheers > > > > mariano > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Pharo-users mailing list > > > Pharo-users(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > > > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-users > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Pharo-users mailing list > > Pharo-users(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-users > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Pharo-users mailing list > > Pharo-users(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-users > > > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-users mailing list > Pharo-users(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-users >

May 10, 2010