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Re: [Pharo-users] Newbie: Does Socket ping: 'addr' work in Pharo3.11.8 ?

by RickT

I really appreciate the feedback from Stef, Mariano and Ron! As a newbie, that is a good "reality check" for me. Thanks again guys! -- View this message in context: http://forum.world.st/Newbie-Does-Socket-ping-addr-work-in-Pharo3-11-8-tp22… Sent from the Pharo Smalltalk Users mailing list archive at Nabble.com.

May 16, 2010

Re: [Pharo-users] Newbie: Does Socket ping: 'addr' work in Pharo3.11.8 ?

by Mariano Martinez Peck

Hi guys. No, it doesn't work for me neither. I have checked in Pharo 1.0 and 1.1 with both: useOldNetwork as true and false. I have debugged a little the: Socket ping: 'localhost' And the problem I found is that after calling "connectNonBlockingTo: hostAddress port: port" self primSocketConnectionStatus: socketHandle. should answer something different thanUnconnected ( 0 ), like WaitingForConnection (1) or Connected (2) check Socket class >> initialize So....I should see in VM side why primSocketConnectionStatus: socketHandle. may be returning 0 (unconnected). Now...if I ping Socket ping: 'www.google.com' The result is different as I get WaitingForConnection (1) instead of 0....but it loops forever as I always get 1 and never 2....see the loop [(status = WaitingForConnection) and: [(msecsEllapsed := Time millisecondsSince: startTime) < msecsDelta]] whileTrue: [ semaphore waitTimeoutMSecs: msecsDelta - msecsEllapsed. status := self primSocketConnectionStatus: socketHandle]. in the method waitForConnectionFor: timeout ifTimedOut: timeoutBlock I will continue to check, but my knowledge in this area is almost nil. Cheers Mariano On Sun, May 16, 2010 at 8:30 PM, RickT <Rick(a)emarysville.com> wrote: > > Hi Stefan, > > Mariano asked me to try using that method to set UseOldNetwork. > > I only was testing the class method Socket>>ping: from the workspace, and > it > always timed out. > > It also did not work in the Pharo1.1 image that Mariano asked me to try. > > Thanks! > -- > View this message in context: > http://forum.world.st/Newbie-Does-Socket-ping-addr-work-in-Pharo3-11-8-tp22… > Sent from the Pharo Smalltalk Users mailing list archive at Nabble.com. > > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-users mailing list > Pharo-users(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-users >

May 16, 2010

Re: [Pharo-users] Newbie: Does Socket ping: 'addr' work in Pharo3.11.8 ?

by StÃ©phane Ducasse

Ok I missed the beginning of the thread :) On May 16, 2010, at 8:30 PM, RickT wrote: > > Hi Stefan, > > Mariano asked me to try using that method to set UseOldNetwork. > > I only was testing the class method Socket>>ping: from the workspace, and it > always timed out. > > It also did not work in the Pharo1.1 image that Mariano asked me to try. > > Thanks! > -- > View this message in context: http://forum.world.st/Newbie-Does-Socket-ping-addr-work-in-Pharo3-11-8-tp22… > Sent from the Pharo Smalltalk Users mailing list archive at Nabble.com. > > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-users mailing list > Pharo-users(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-users

May 16, 2010

Re: [Pharo-users] Newbie: Does Socket ping: 'addr' work in Pharo3.11.8 ?

by StÃ©phane Ducasse

On May 16, 2010, at 8:26 PM, RickT wrote: > > Hi Ron, > > Yes, you are having the same experience. Mariano asked me to try the > UseOldNetwork in Pharo1.0, but as you say, it does not exist. It does in > 1.1 image which is not yet released (I think). > > I think we are stuck with a non-working ping. Yes probably. > Thanks for responding! > -- > View this message in context: http://forum.world.st/Newbie-Does-Socket-ping-addr-work-in-Pharo3-11-8-tp22… > Sent from the Pharo Smalltalk Users mailing list archive at Nabble.com. > > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-users mailing list > Pharo-users(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-users

May 16, 2010

Re: [Pharo-users] Newbie: Does Socket ping: 'addr' work in Pharo3.11.8 ?

by StÃ©phane Ducasse

yes I get the same behavior in 1.1, 1.0 and in latest squeak trunk. I tried to ping www.google.com or its ip. Network code is probably the same since Squeak3.9. in 1.0 mike rueger started to fix it. Then we had to rollback parts of the change because of IVP6 problems In 1.1 we have the version mike did and we should improve it. We are waited from feedback to see if we will do the same rollback as in 1.0. Stef On May 16, 2010, at 8:17 PM, Ron Jeffries wrote: > Hello, RickT. On Sunday, May 16, 2010, at 1:14:14 PM, you wrote: > >> Does the Socket>>ping: work for you? Or am I the only one breaking on this? > > I am seeing a failure similar to the one that you are when pinging > localhost or my own web site from Pharao, or the example in the > Socket class>>ping: method. I see this in Windows XP and .. hold on > ... Windows 7. > > If I do Socket ping: 'localhost' I get a popup about "Continue to > wait for connection to localhost". When I finally say Yes to this, > it returns Socket class, as shown in the method: > > Socket class>>ping: hostName > "Ping the given host. Useful for checking network connectivity. The host must be running a TCP echo server." > "Socket ping: 'squeak.cs.uiuc.edu'" > > | tcpPort sock serverAddr startTime echoTime | > tcpPort := 7. "7 = echo port, 13 = time port, 19 = character generator port" > > serverAddr := NetNameResolver addressForName: hostName timeout: 10. > serverAddr = nil ifTrue: [ > ^ self inform: 'Could not find an address for ', hostName]. > > sock := Socket new. > sock connectNonBlockingTo: serverAddr port: tcpPort. > [sock waitForConnectionFor: 10] > on: ConnectionTimedOut > do: [:ex | > (self confirm: 'Continue to wait for connection to ', hostName, '?') > ifTrue: [ex retry] > ifFalse: [ > sock destroy. > ^ self]]. > > sock sendData: 'echo!'. > startTime := Time millisecondClockValue. > [sock waitForDataFor: 15] > on: ConnectionTimedOut > do: [:ex | (self confirm: 'Packet sent but no echo yet; keep waiting?') > ifTrue: [ex retry]]. > echoTime := Time millisecondClockValue - startTime. > > sock destroy. > self inform: hostName, ' responded in ', echoTime printString, ' milliseconds'. > > There is no class variable in NetNameResolver named UseOldNetwork. > > I am using Pharo-1.0 > Latest update: #10517 > > Thanks, > > Ron Jeffries > www.XProgramming.com > www.xprogramming.com/blog > Knowledge must come through action; > you can have no test which is not fanciful, > save by trial. -- Sophocles > > > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-users mailing list > Pharo-users(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-users

May 16, 2010

Re: [Pharo-users] Newbie: Does Socket ping: 'addr' work in Pharo3.11.8 ?

by RickT

Hi Stefan, Mariano asked me to try using that method to set UseOldNetwork. I only was testing the class method Socket>>ping: from the workspace, and it always timed out. It also did not work in the Pharo1.1 image that Mariano asked me to try. Thanks! -- View this message in context: http://forum.world.st/Newbie-Does-Socket-ping-addr-work-in-Pharo3-11-8-tp22… Sent from the Pharo Smalltalk Users mailing list archive at Nabble.com.

May 16, 2010

Re: [Pharo-users] Newbie: Does Socket ping: 'addr' work in Pharo3.11.8 ?

by RickT

Hi Ron, Yes, you are having the same experience. Mariano asked me to try the UseOldNetwork in Pharo1.0, but as you say, it does not exist. It does in 1.1 image which is not yet released (I think). I think we are stuck with a non-working ping. Thanks for responding! -- View this message in context: http://forum.world.st/Newbie-Does-Socket-ping-addr-work-in-Pharo3-11-8-tp22… Sent from the Pharo Smalltalk Users mailing list archive at Nabble.com.

May 16, 2010

Re: [Pharo-users] Newbie: Does Socket ping: 'addr' work in Pharo3.11.8 ?

by StÃ©phane Ducasse

in Pharo1.1 latest unstable Socket ping: 'localhost' barks immediately Socket ping: 'www.google.com' gets blocked Yes we will have drastically improve the network. Stef

May 16, 2010

Re: [Pharo-users] Newbie: Does Socket ping: 'addr' work in Pharo3.11.8 ?

by Ron Jeffries

Hello, RickT. On Sunday, May 16, 2010, at 1:14:14 PM, you wrote: > Does the Socket>>ping: work for you? Or am I the only one breaking on this? I am seeing a failure similar to the one that you are when pinging localhost or my own web site from Pharao, or the example in the Socket class>>ping: method. I see this in Windows XP and .. hold on ... Windows 7. If I do Socket ping: 'localhost' I get a popup about "Continue to wait for connection to localhost". When I finally say Yes to this, it returns Socket class, as shown in the method: Socket class>>ping: hostName "Ping the given host. Useful for checking network connectivity. The host must be running a TCP echo server." "Socket ping: 'squeak.cs.uiuc.edu'" | tcpPort sock serverAddr startTime echoTime | tcpPort := 7. "7 = echo port, 13 = time port, 19 = character generator port" serverAddr := NetNameResolver addressForName: hostName timeout: 10. serverAddr = nil ifTrue: [ ^ self inform: 'Could not find an address for ', hostName]. sock := Socket new. sock connectNonBlockingTo: serverAddr port: tcpPort. [sock waitForConnectionFor: 10] on: ConnectionTimedOut do: [:ex | (self confirm: 'Continue to wait for connection to ', hostName, '?') ifTrue: [ex retry] ifFalse: [ sock destroy. ^ self]]. sock sendData: 'echo!'. startTime := Time millisecondClockValue. [sock waitForDataFor: 15] on: ConnectionTimedOut do: [:ex | (self confirm: 'Packet sent but no echo yet; keep waiting?') ifTrue: [ex retry]]. echoTime := Time millisecondClockValue - startTime. sock destroy. self inform: hostName, ' responded in ', echoTime printString, ' milliseconds'. There is no class variable in NetNameResolver named UseOldNetwork. I am using Pharo-1.0 Latest update: #10517 Thanks, Ron Jeffries www.XProgramming.com www.xprogramming.com/blog Knowledge must come through action; you can have no test which is not fanciful, save by trial. -- Sophocles

May 16, 2010

Re: [Pharo-users] Newbie: Does Socket ping: 'addr' work in Pharo3.11.8 ?

by StÃ©phane Ducasse

On May 16, 2010, at 6:36 PM, RickT wrote: > > I am loving the Smalltalk environment and language very much, thanks! (But I > remain an ignorant newbie nonetheless.) I hope to later explore Seaside with > Pharo as well. > > To my problem: > > With the Pharo 1.0 image, the classVarNamed:put: message was not understood. > (Same for Linux version of Pharo 1.0). can you show the expression you are using? why do you need that method? It was indeed missing so we added it in 1.1 Class>>classVarNamed: name put: anObject "Store anObject in the class variable." | symbol | symbol := name asSymbol. (self classPool includesKey: symbol) ifFalse: [^self error: 'no such lass var']. self classPool at: symbol put: anObject. > With the Pharo 1.1 image you linked me to, the message was understood, but > had no effect. Really? Again do you have an expression that we can try. > > I still cannot get Socket>>ping: to work; it always times out. > > And yes, I meant the OS command window ping worked. For Windows XP it is > what you would call the DOS command line. I also downloaded and tried the > Pharo1.0 in my VirtualBox VM running Ubuntu. I have the same problem: I > can ping localhost from the Linux command line, but Pharo 1.0 ping always > times out. > > (I am running on a Dell M90 Precision laptop. FWIW) > > Thanks very much for your help. > > > Mariano Martinez Peck wrote: >> >> On Sun, May 16, 2010 at 4:28 AM, RickT <Rick(a)emarysville.com> wrote: >> >>> >>> I installed the one-click version on Windows (XP) recently and am >>> learning >>> Smalltalk. >> >> >> Welcome! we hope you enjoy :) >> >> >>> I am under the impression that in a Shout Workspace I can >>> execute the line >>> >>> Socket ping: 'localhost' >>> >>> (or some valid address). But I always get a message that it timed out. >>> I >>> can successfully ping the same address in a command window. >> >> >> Sorry I don't understand. Where you can successfully ping ? what's is a >> command window? do you mean DOS or somehow outside Pharo? >> >> Can you try the same after evaluating: >> >> NetNameResolver classVarNamed: 'UseOldNetwork' put: true >> >> Can you try also the same but using a PharoCore 1.1 image (you can use the >> same VM): >> >> https://gforge.inria.fr/frs/download.php/26995/PharoCore-1.1-11357-UNSTABLE… >> >> Thanks! >> >> Mariano >> >> >>> Any guidance >>> would be appreciated. >>> >>> -- >>> View this message in context: >>> http://forum.world.st/Newbie-Does-Socket-ping-addr-work-in-Pharo3-11-8-tp22… >>> Sent from the Pharo Smalltalk Users mailing list archive at Nabble.com. >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Pharo-users mailing list >>> Pharo-users(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr >>> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-users >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Pharo-users mailing list >> Pharo-users(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr >> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-users >> >> > > -- > View this message in context: http://forum.world.st/Newbie-Does-Socket-ping-addr-work-in-Pharo3-11-8-tp22… > Sent from the Pharo Smalltalk Users mailing list archive at Nabble.com. > > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-users mailing list > Pharo-users(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-users

May 16, 2010

Re: [Pharo-users] [Pharo-project] [ANN] Traits installer/uninstaller utility

by Johan Fabry

Yes it would be good to have better trait integration. In the mean time TraitsApplication is your man :-) On 16 May 2010, at 04:11, StÃ©phane Ducasse wrote: > this happens also for none trait. > One day we will have to do a large pass on monticello. -- Johan Fabry jfabry(a)dcc.uchile.cl - http://dcc.uchile.cl/~jfabry PLEIAD Lab - Computer Science Department (DCC) - University of Chile

May 16, 2010

Re: [Pharo-users] [ANN] Traits installer/uninstaller utility

by Johan Fabry

On 16 May 2010, at 03:48, Tudor Girba wrote: > I took a quick look and it looks interesting. Thanks :-) > Just a note for discussion. Executing "AspectMapsUI open" installs the traits. One of your trait extension is adding TAMStructuralZoom to FAMIXClass. > > Now, when I browse the FAMIXClass, I get this in the browser: > > ----- > FAMIXType subclass: #FAMIXClass > uses: TAMStructuralZoom > instanceVariableNames: 'isInterface' > classVariableNames: '' > poolDictionaries: '' > category: 'Famix-Core' > ----- > > There are two problems with this: > > 1. So, now if I just want to edit the base class, I have to take care and delete the Trait before, because the Trait is part of the definition. > > This is a limitation of the browser, but we have to pay attention to it. My philosophy here is to not hide anything from the developer, which is why the Trait is part of the definition. What you see is what you get. Delete the Trait when editing the base class and it goes away. What you see is what you get. So just edit the class as you want to, you can even add new Traits manually. You can always remove the TAMStructuralZoom trait (or any other trait actually) using the traits uninstaller. > 2. If you look in Monticello, the base package (FAMIX-Core in this case) is not dirty, but if you explicitly look for Changes, it gets dirty. I do not know how this could be solved. Perhaps we need extension as first class? OK this should not happen. I tried to be as close to how the browser works when redefining a class (the redefinition even gets recorded in changes) because I want to avoid breaking any magic that is going on. But apparently I did not succeed completely. If any Monticello magicians can tell me what incantation to add I would be most happy to oblige! -- Johan Fabry jfabry(a)dcc.uchile.cl - http://dcc.uchile.cl/~jfabry PLEIAD Lab - Computer Science Department (DCC) - University of Chile

May 16, 2010

Re: [Pharo-users] Newbie: Does Socket ping: 'addr' work in Pharo3.11.8 ?

by RickT

I bought the Seaside book and am reading it and PBE. (I also stumbled upon the other book in progress by reading one of your postings.) In Pharo1.0 image, when I defined the class useOldNetwork: message, it did not understand the UseOldNetwork variable to be assigned aBoolean, so I had to declare the class variable. It did not help ping work either. Does the Socket>>ping: work for you? Or am I the only one breaking on this? Thanks for your help! Mariano Martinez Peck wrote: > > On Sun, May 16, 2010 at 6:36 PM, RickT <Rick(a)emarysville.com> wrote: > >> >> I am loving the Smalltalk environment and language very much, thanks! >> (But >> I >> remain an ignorant newbie nonetheless.) I hope to later explore Seaside >> with >> Pharo as well. >> >> > Excellent. Just in case you don't know: > > http://pharobyexample.org/ > http://book.seaside.st/book > > and in progress: http://book.pharo-project.org/ > > >> To my problem: >> >> With the Pharo 1.0 image, the classVarNamed:put: message was not >> understood. >> (Same for Linux version of Pharo 1.0). >> > > Ups...sorry. Actually that was for breaking encapsulation as > NetNameResolver > does not have a setter for such class variable. > To do a quick test just implement a class side method in NetNameResolver > like this: > > useOldNetwork: aBoolean > UseOldNetwork := aBoolean > > And then evaluate: > > NetNameResolver useOldNetwork: true. > > >> With the Pharo 1.1 image you linked me to, the message was understood, >> but >> had no effect. >> >> I still cannot get Socket>>ping: to work; it always times out. >> >> > Ok...the network package is not the best in Pharo and we had several > problems :( > > > >> And yes, I meant the OS command window ping worked. For Windows XP it is >> what you would call the DOS command line. I also downloaded and tried >> the >> Pharo1.0 in my VirtualBox VM running Ubuntu. I have the same problem: I >> can ping localhost from the Linux command line, but Pharo 1.0 ping always >> times out. >> >> > Ok...I know very little about network but maybe someone can help you. > > cheers > > mariano > > > >> (I am running on a Dell M90 Precision laptop. FWIW) >> >> Thanks very much for your help. >> >> >> Mariano Martinez Peck wrote: >> > >> > On Sun, May 16, 2010 at 4:28 AM, RickT <Rick(a)emarysville.com> wrote: >> > >> >> >> >> I installed the one-click version on Windows (XP) recently and am >> >> learning >> >> Smalltalk. >> > >> > >> > Welcome! we hope you enjoy :) >> > >> > >> >> I am under the impression that in a Shout Workspace I can >> >> execute the line >> >> >> >> Socket ping: 'localhost' >> >> >> >> (or some valid address). But I always get a message that it timed >> out. >> >> I >> >> can successfully ping the same address in a command window. >> > >> > >> > Sorry I don't understand. Where you can successfully ping ? what's is >> a >> > command window? do you mean DOS or somehow outside Pharo? >> > >> > Can you try the same after evaluating: >> > >> > NetNameResolver classVarNamed: 'UseOldNetwork' put: true >> > >> > Can you try also the same but using a PharoCore 1.1 image (you can use >> the >> > same VM): >> > >> > >> https://gforge.inria.fr/frs/download.php/26995/PharoCore-1.1-11357-UNSTABLE… >> > >> > Thanks! >> > >> > Mariano >> > >> > >> >> Any guidance >> >> would be appreciated. >> >> >> >> -- >> >> View this message in context: >> >> >> http://forum.world.st/Newbie-Does-Socket-ping-addr-work-in-Pharo3-11-8-tp22… >> >> Sent from the Pharo Smalltalk Users mailing list archive at >> Nabble.com. >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> Pharo-users mailing list >> >> Pharo-users(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr >> >> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-users >> >> >> > >> > _______________________________________________ >> > Pharo-users mailing list >> > Pharo-users(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr >> > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-users >> > >> > >> >> -- >> View this message in context: >> http://forum.world.st/Newbie-Does-Socket-ping-addr-work-in-Pharo3-11-8-tp22… >> Sent from the Pharo Smalltalk Users mailing list archive at Nabble.com. >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Pharo-users mailing list >> Pharo-users(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr >> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-users >> > > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-users mailing list > Pharo-users(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-users > > -- View this message in context: http://forum.world.st/Newbie-Does-Socket-ping-addr-work-in-Pharo3-11-8-tp22… Sent from the Pharo Smalltalk Users mailing list archive at Nabble.com.

May 16, 2010

Re: [Pharo-users] Newbie: Does Socket ping: 'addr' work in Pharo3.11.8 ?

by RickT

I bought the Seaside book and am reading it and PBE. (I also stumbled upon the other book in progress by reading one of your postings.) In Pharo1.0 image, when I defined the class useOldNetwork: message, it did not understand the UseOldNetwork variable to be assigned aBoolean, so I had to declare the class variable. It did not help ping work either. Does the Socket>>ping: work for you? Or am I the only one breaking on this? Thanks for your help! -- View this message in context: http://forum.world.st/Newbie-Does-Socket-ping-addr-work-in-Pharo3-11-8-tp22… Sent from the Pharo Smalltalk Users mailing list archive at Nabble.com.

May 16, 2010

Re: [Pharo-users] Newbie: Does Socket ping: 'addr' work in Pharo3.11.8 ?

by Mariano Martinez Peck

On Sun, May 16, 2010 at 6:36 PM, RickT <Rick(a)emarysville.com> wrote: > > I am loving the Smalltalk environment and language very much, thanks! (But > I > remain an ignorant newbie nonetheless.) I hope to later explore Seaside > with > Pharo as well. > > Excellent. Just in case you don't know: http://pharobyexample.org/ http://book.seaside.st/book and in progress: http://book.pharo-project.org/ > To my problem: > > With the Pharo 1.0 image, the classVarNamed:put: message was not > understood. > (Same for Linux version of Pharo 1.0). > Ups...sorry. Actually that was for breaking encapsulation as NetNameResolver does not have a setter for such class variable. To do a quick test just implement a class side method in NetNameResolver like this: useOldNetwork: aBoolean UseOldNetwork := aBoolean And then evaluate: NetNameResolver useOldNetwork: true. > With the Pharo 1.1 image you linked me to, the message was understood, but > had no effect. > > I still cannot get Socket>>ping: to work; it always times out. > > Ok...the network package is not the best in Pharo and we had several problems :( > And yes, I meant the OS command window ping worked. For Windows XP it is > what you would call the DOS command line. I also downloaded and tried the > Pharo1.0 in my VirtualBox VM running Ubuntu. I have the same problem: I > can ping localhost from the Linux command line, but Pharo 1.0 ping always > times out. > > Ok...I know very little about network but maybe someone can help you. cheers mariano > (I am running on a Dell M90 Precision laptop. FWIW) > > Thanks very much for your help. > > > Mariano Martinez Peck wrote: > > > > On Sun, May 16, 2010 at 4:28 AM, RickT <Rick(a)emarysville.com> wrote: > > > >> > >> I installed the one-click version on Windows (XP) recently and am > >> learning > >> Smalltalk. > > > > > > Welcome! we hope you enjoy :) > > > > > >> I am under the impression that in a Shout Workspace I can > >> execute the line > >> > >> Socket ping: 'localhost' > >> > >> (or some valid address). But I always get a message that it timed out. > >> I > >> can successfully ping the same address in a command window. > > > > > > Sorry I don't understand. Where you can successfully ping ? what's is a > > command window? do you mean DOS or somehow outside Pharo? > > > > Can you try the same after evaluating: > > > > NetNameResolver classVarNamed: 'UseOldNetwork' put: true > > > > Can you try also the same but using a PharoCore 1.1 image (you can use > the > > same VM): > > > > > https://gforge.inria.fr/frs/download.php/26995/PharoCore-1.1-11357-UNSTABLE… > > > > Thanks! > > > > Mariano > > > > > >> Any guidance > >> would be appreciated. > >> > >> -- > >> View this message in context: > >> > http://forum.world.st/Newbie-Does-Socket-ping-addr-work-in-Pharo3-11-8-tp22… > >> Sent from the Pharo Smalltalk Users mailing list archive at Nabble.com. > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> Pharo-users mailing list > >> Pharo-users(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > >> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-users > >> > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Pharo-users mailing list > > Pharo-users(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-users > > > > > > -- > View this message in context: > http://forum.world.st/Newbie-Does-Socket-ping-addr-work-in-Pharo3-11-8-tp22… > Sent from the Pharo Smalltalk Users mailing list archive at Nabble.com. > > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-users mailing list > Pharo-users(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-users >

May 16, 2010

Re: [Pharo-users] Newbie: Does Socket ping: 'addr' work in Pharo3.11.8 ?

by RickT

I am loving the Smalltalk environment and language very much, thanks! (But I remain an ignorant newbie nonetheless.) I hope to later explore Seaside with Pharo as well. To my problem: With the Pharo 1.0 image, the classVarNamed:put: message was not understood. (Same for Linux version of Pharo 1.0). With the Pharo 1.1 image you linked me to, the message was understood, but had no effect. I still cannot get Socket>>ping: to work; it always times out. And yes, I meant the OS command window ping worked. For Windows XP it is what you would call the DOS command line. I also downloaded and tried the Pharo1.0 in my VirtualBox VM running Ubuntu. I have the same problem: I can ping localhost from the Linux command line, but Pharo 1.0 ping always times out. (I am running on a Dell M90 Precision laptop. FWIW) Thanks very much for your help. Mariano Martinez Peck wrote: > > On Sun, May 16, 2010 at 4:28 AM, RickT <Rick(a)emarysville.com> wrote: > >> >> I installed the one-click version on Windows (XP) recently and am >> learning >> Smalltalk. > > > Welcome! we hope you enjoy :) > > >> I am under the impression that in a Shout Workspace I can >> execute the line >> >> Socket ping: 'localhost' >> >> (or some valid address). But I always get a message that it timed out. >> I >> can successfully ping the same address in a command window. > > > Sorry I don't understand. Where you can successfully ping ? what's is a > command window? do you mean DOS or somehow outside Pharo? > > Can you try the same after evaluating: > > NetNameResolver classVarNamed: 'UseOldNetwork' put: true > > Can you try also the same but using a PharoCore 1.1 image (you can use the > same VM): > > https://gforge.inria.fr/frs/download.php/26995/PharoCore-1.1-11357-UNSTABLE… > > Thanks! > > Mariano > > >> Any guidance >> would be appreciated. >> >> -- >> View this message in context: >> http://forum.world.st/Newbie-Does-Socket-ping-addr-work-in-Pharo3-11-8-tp22… >> Sent from the Pharo Smalltalk Users mailing list archive at Nabble.com. >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Pharo-users mailing list >> Pharo-users(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr >> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-users >> > > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-users mailing list > Pharo-users(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-users > > -- View this message in context: http://forum.world.st/Newbie-Does-Socket-ping-addr-work-in-Pharo3-11-8-tp22… Sent from the Pharo Smalltalk Users mailing list archive at Nabble.com.

May 16, 2010

Re: [Pharo-users] Newbie: Does Socket ping: 'addr' work in Pharo3.11.8 ?

by StÃ©phane Ducasse

On May 16, 2010, at 4:28 AM, RickT wrote: > > I installed the one-click version on Windows (XP) recently and am learning > Smalltalk. Welcome and do not hesitate questions - we are all learning :) > I am under the impression that in a Shout Workspace I can > execute the line > > Socket ping: 'localhost' > > (or some valid address). But I always get a message that it timed out. I > can successfully ping the same address in a command window. Any guidance > would be appreciated. > > -- > View this message in context: http://forum.world.st/Newbie-Does-Socket-ping-addr-work-in-Pharo3-11-8-tp22… > Sent from the Pharo Smalltalk Users mailing list archive at Nabble.com. > > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-users mailing list > Pharo-users(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-users

May 16, 2010

Re: [Pharo-users] Newbie: Does Socket ping: 'addr' work in Pharo3.11.8 ?

by Mariano Martinez Peck

On Sun, May 16, 2010 at 4:28 AM, RickT <Rick(a)emarysville.com> wrote: > > I installed the one-click version on Windows (XP) recently and am learning > Smalltalk. Welcome! we hope you enjoy :) > I am under the impression that in a Shout Workspace I can > execute the line > > Socket ping: 'localhost' > > (or some valid address). But I always get a message that it timed out. I > can successfully ping the same address in a command window. Sorry I don't understand. Where you can successfully ping ? what's is a command window? do you mean DOS or somehow outside Pharo? Can you try the same after evaluating: NetNameResolver classVarNamed: 'UseOldNetwork' put: true Can you try also the same but using a PharoCore 1.1 image (you can use the same VM): https://gforge.inria.fr/frs/download.php/26995/PharoCore-1.1-11357-UNSTABLE… Thanks! Mariano > Any guidance > would be appreciated. > > -- > View this message in context: > http://forum.world.st/Newbie-Does-Socket-ping-addr-work-in-Pharo3-11-8-tp22… > Sent from the Pharo Smalltalk Users mailing list archive at Nabble.com. > > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-users mailing list > Pharo-users(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-users >

May 16, 2010

Anyone wants to put style to the welcome workspace?

by Mariano Martinez Peck

Hi folks. Any volunteer to make the welcome workspace nicer? Now it is just plane text. Maybe adding some style to title, colors etc may be cool. I don't know how to do it, neither I have too much time. If you want to see where it is such code it is in DEVImageWorkspaces >> openWelcomeWorkspace in the package ImageForDevelopers-pharo from the repository http://www.squeaksource.com/ImageForDevelopers Thanks in case someone can help. Mariano

May 16, 2010

Re: [Pharo-users] [ANN] Traits installer/uninstaller utility

by StÃ©phane Ducasse

On May 16, 2010, at 9:48 AM, Tudor Girba wrote: > Hi Johan, > > I took a quick look and it looks interesting. > > Just a note for discussion. Executing "AspectMapsUI open" installs the traits. One of your trait extension is adding TAMStructuralZoom to FAMIXClass. > > Now, when I browse the FAMIXClass, I get this in the browser: > > ----- > FAMIXType subclass: #FAMIXClass > uses: TAMStructuralZoom > instanceVariableNames: 'isInterface' > classVariableNames: '' > poolDictionaries: '' > category: 'Famix-Core' > ----- > > There are two problems with this: > > 1. So, now if I just want to edit the base class, I have to take care and delete the Trait before, because the Trait is part of the definition. > > This is a limitation of the browser, but we have to pay attention to it. > > 2. If you look in Monticello, the base package (FAMIX-Core in this case) is not dirty, but if you explicitly look for Changes, it gets dirty. I do not know how this could be solved. Perhaps we need extension as first class? this happens also for none trait. One day we will have to do a large pass on monticello. > > Cheers, > Doru > > > On 16 May 2010, at 02:36, Johan Fabry wrote: > >> Hi all, >> >> this is a small package that I wrote after doing a traits-based refactoring of AspectMaps (Plug: Check out AspectMaps for a cool visualization of Aspects. http://pleiad.cl/aspectmaps. It has nice screencasts. All comments welcome!) >> >> AspectMaps extends a number of classes of FAMIX to do its thing, using standard class extensions. This works OK when you are not using traits. But when using a trait, you need to redef the class, i.e. change the original package (in this case one of the moose packages). A big no-no. This kind of change should also be encapusulated in the AspectMaps package, but currently this is not possible. So, as long as traits and packages dont play well together, these kinds of refactorings are out. >> >> However not so when you are using the TraitsApplication package. This package provides a means to programmatically install/uninstall traits. Call it in a post-load action on a package (if such a thing exists), in a class initialize method, et cetera (for AspectMaps I do it in the AspectMaps>>open method). I thought this could be useful to some members of the community so I am releasing it publicly. You can find it at http://www.squeaksource.com/TraitsApplication >> >> CAVEAT: This is a quick implementation, it is non-optimal. It can be made much more elegant, but that requires time that I dont have right now :-(. I does not handle fancy trait compositions (yet). I give no guarantees other than that >> 1) it passes all of its tests >> 2) it works for me :-) >> >> So check it out. Comments are welcome! >> -- >> Johan Fabry >> jfabry(a)dcc.uchile.cl - http://dcc.uchile.cl/~jfabry >> PLEIAD Lab - Computer Science Department (DCC) - University of Chile >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Pharo-users mailing list >> Pharo-users(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr >> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-users > > -- > www.tudorgirba.com > > "Speaking louder won't make the point worthier." > > > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-users mailing list > Pharo-users(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-users

May 16, 2010

Re: [Pharo-users] [ANN] Traits installer/uninstaller utility

by Tudor Girba

Hi Johan, I took a quick look and it looks interesting. Just a note for discussion. Executing "AspectMapsUI open" installs the traits. One of your trait extension is adding TAMStructuralZoom to FAMIXClass. Now, when I browse the FAMIXClass, I get this in the browser: ----- FAMIXType subclass: #FAMIXClass uses: TAMStructuralZoom instanceVariableNames: 'isInterface' classVariableNames: '' poolDictionaries: '' category: 'Famix-Core' ----- There are two problems with this: 1. So, now if I just want to edit the base class, I have to take care and delete the Trait before, because the Trait is part of the definition. This is a limitation of the browser, but we have to pay attention to it. 2. If you look in Monticello, the base package (FAMIX-Core in this case) is not dirty, but if you explicitly look for Changes, it gets dirty. I do not know how this could be solved. Perhaps we need extension as first class? Cheers, Doru On 16 May 2010, at 02:36, Johan Fabry wrote: > Hi all, > > this is a small package that I wrote after doing a traits-based > refactoring of AspectMaps (Plug: Check out AspectMaps for a cool > visualization of Aspects. http://pleiad.cl/aspectmaps. It has nice > screencasts. All comments welcome!) > > AspectMaps extends a number of classes of FAMIX to do its thing, > using standard class extensions. This works OK when you are not > using traits. But when using a trait, you need to redef the class, > i.e. change the original package (in this case one of the moose > packages). A big no-no. This kind of change should also be > encapusulated in the AspectMaps package, but currently this is not > possible. So, as long as traits and packages dont play well > together, these kinds of refactorings are out. > > However not so when you are using the TraitsApplication package. > This package provides a means to programmatically install/uninstall > traits. Call it in a post-load action on a package (if such a thing > exists), in a class initialize method, et cetera (for AspectMaps I > do it in the AspectMaps>>open method). I thought this could be > useful to some members of the community so I am releasing it > publicly. You can find it at http://www.squeaksource.com/TraitsApplication > > CAVEAT: This is a quick implementation, it is non-optimal. It can be > made much more elegant, but that requires time that I dont have > right now :-(. I does not handle fancy trait compositions (yet). I > give no guarantees other than that > 1) it passes all of its tests > 2) it works for me :-) > > So check it out. Comments are welcome! > -- > Johan Fabry > jfabry(a)dcc.uchile.cl - http://dcc.uchile.cl/~jfabry > PLEIAD Lab - Computer Science Department (DCC) - University of Chile > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-users mailing list > Pharo-users(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-users -- www.tudorgirba.com "Speaking louder won't make the point worthier."

May 16, 2010

Re: [Pharo-users] [Vm-dev] Fwd: Need help with Alien, unexpected function return value

by Joachim Geidel

Steve, >>> result := (Alien newGC: 4) pointer. >>> functionPointer >>> primFFICallResult: result >>> with: self asJNIParameter. >>> ^result signedIntAt: 1 [snip] > When you use a pointer alien (which has a size field of zero) as the > return result of a function call, the alien code expects the result from > the alien to be a pointer to some area of memory and replaces the > address field of the result alien with the result returned by the > function call. You're lucky your method returned any result at all > rather than crashing with an access violation - you are dereferencing > whatever sits at 0x00010006. [snip] >>> result := (Alien newC: 4). >>> functionPointer >>> primFFICallResult: result pointer >>> with: self asJNIParameter. >>> ^result signedIntAt: 1 [snip] > This time you are returning the signed int at the block of memory > allocated by the newC: call. The memory gets zeroed before use, which is > why you get a zero. Because you used "result pointer" in the alien call > the alien code again replaces the pointer alien's address with the > result. This time though, you don't have a reference to the pointer > alien, so the result is effectively discarded. Thanks a lot for the explanation! Am 16.05.10 03:58 schrieb Steve Rees: > Try the following > > result := (Alien new: 4). > functionPointer > primFFICallResult: result > with: self asJNIParameter. > ^result signedIntAt: 1 Yes, that's it. I get the expected result now. I'll have to inspect the rest of my (ab)use of Aliens now, but that shouldn't take long. After that I'll have to find out where I should explicitly free Aliens and where the garbage collector will do that for me. I am sure I have built in some nice memory leaks. :-) Thanks again! Joachim

May 16, 2010

Newbie: Does Socket ping: 'addr' work in Pharo3.11.8 ?

by RickT

I installed the one-click version on Windows (XP) recently and am learning Smalltalk. I am under the impression that in a Shout Workspace I can execute the line Socket ping: 'localhost' (or some valid address). But I always get a message that it timed out. I can successfully ping the same address in a command window. Any guidance would be appreciated. -- View this message in context: http://forum.world.st/Newbie-Does-Socket-ping-addr-work-in-Pharo3-11-8-tp22… Sent from the Pharo Smalltalk Users mailing list archive at Nabble.com.

May 16, 2010

[ANN] Traits installer/uninstaller utility

by Johan Fabry

Hi all, this is a small package that I wrote after doing a traits-based refactoring of AspectMaps (Plug: Check out AspectMaps for a cool visualization of Aspects. http://pleiad.cl/aspectmaps. It has nice screencasts. All comments welcome!) AspectMaps extends a number of classes of FAMIX to do its thing, using standard class extensions. This works OK when you are not using traits. But when using a trait, you need to redef the class, i.e. change the original package (in this case one of the moose packages). A big no-no. This kind of change should also be encapusulated in the AspectMaps package, but currently this is not possible. So, as long as traits and packages dont play well together, these kinds of refactorings are out. However not so when you are using the TraitsApplication package. This package provides a means to programmatically install/uninstall traits. Call it in a post-load action on a package (if such a thing exists), in a class initialize method, et cetera (for AspectMaps I do it in the AspectMaps>>open method). I thought this could be useful to some members of the community so I am releasing it publicly. You can find it at http://www.squeaksource.com/TraitsApplication CAVEAT: This is a quick implementation, it is non-optimal. It can be made much more elegant, but that requires time that I dont have right now :-(. I does not handle fancy trait compositions (yet). I give no guarantees other than that 1) it passes all of its tests 2) it works for me :-) So check it out. Comments are welcome! -- Johan Fabry jfabry(a)dcc.uchile.cl - http://dcc.uchile.cl/~jfabry PLEIAD Lab - Computer Science Department (DCC) - University of Chile

May 16, 2010

Need help with Alien, unexpected function return value

by Joachim Geidel

Hello everybody, I need some help with Alien on Mac OS X 10.6.3 in Pharo 1.0. I am calling a function from a vtable struct in the Java Native Interface of the Java VM which comes with Mac OS X and which is defined as jint ( __stdcall * GetVersion)(JNIEnv * env); The result type jint is just an alias for int. The Smalltalk method is ---- primGetVersion | functionPointer result vtablePointer | vtablePointer := Alien atAddress: self externalData asUnsignedLong dataSize: Alien sizeofPointer * self vtableSize. functionPointer := Alien forPointer: (vtablePointer unsignedLongAt: (4 * Alien sizeofPointer + 1)). result := (Alien newGC: 4) pointer. functionPointer primFFICallResult: result with: self asJNIParameter. ^result signedIntAt: 1 ---- functionPointer is the pointer to the GetVersion function. The result should be 65542 (16r00010006), which is also what I get when calling the function from VisualWorks, but the method answers -394042288 (-16r177C9BB0). The "result" Alien has the printString '#[0 0 0 0 6 0 1 0]' which suspiciously contains the 1 and the 6 I am looking for, but in the wrong places. ;-) I looked at examples for callouts, which seem to indicate that result should be the Alien and not a pointer to it. So I changed the code to ---- result := (Alien newC: 4). functionPointer primFFICallResult: result pointer with: self asJNIParameter. ^result signedIntAt: 1 ---- This didn't really help. The result is now 0 (zero), although the Alien prints as #[252 255 255 255 80 15 38 0] which doesn't look like a 0 at first sight. Am I using those Aliens in a correct way? What can I try to debug this? If this is too obscure and someone who knows about Aliens would like to have a look at the rest of the code, I am willing to send a bunch of Monticello packages and instructions for reproducing the problem, but I won't make it publicly available yet. Any help is welcome. Best regards, Joachim Geidel -- View this message in context: http://forum.world.st/Need-help-with-Alien-unexpected-function-return-value… Sent from the Pharo Smalltalk Users mailing list archive at Nabble.com.

May 15, 2010

Re: [Pharo-users] Using FFI to call a MacOs System function

by Mariano Martinez Peck

On Sat, May 15, 2010 at 8:42 PM, David Wilson <djwilson(a)bluewin.ch> wrote: > Hi Mariano > > I now see that my solution (yesterday) was a hack. > hahhaha I though that when I read it ;) But as I don't know how it is, I didn't say anything. > John Macintosh' post ( > http://forum.world.st/Re-Pharo-users-Using-FFI-to-call-a-MacOs-System-funct…) > shows how to do this properly. > If I do something with this (ie gain real experience) then I'll look at > working on the documentation. > > Excellent! > Cheers > > David > > > On 14 May, 2010, at 20:16, Mariano Martinez Peck wrote: > > > >> Let us know your progress. Now...would you like to help us and document >> all this in http://book.seaside.st/ ? >> > > > Sorry I mean http://book.pharo-project.org/ ;) too many books > > > > >> We need to write all this down. Image the poor guy that comes after >> you...imagine if someone already had this problem and you would have found >> such info...wouldn't that be cool ? Don't worry for the English neither to >> the text. It doesn't need to be perfect. This is continuous...we first >> write, and then the community will give feedback, correct it, complete it, >> etc... >> >> If you want to join, please let us know and we generate a user for you. >> >> Cheers >> >> Mariano >> >> Cheers >>> >>> David >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> On 05 May, 2010, at 23:15, Mariano Martinez Peck wrote: >>> >>> BTW....keyboards seems to be a .h (a header) , but not a library...at >>> least in my mac >>> >>> Do you have also the library ? I am still newbie with the Mac OS :( >>> >>> Cheers >>> >>> mariano >>> >>> On Wed, May 5, 2010 at 11:10 PM, Mariano Martinez Peck < >>> marianopeck(a)gmail.com> wrote: >>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On Tue, May 4, 2010 at 4:46 PM, David Wilson <djwilson(a)bluewin.ch>wrote: >>>> >>>>> Hi >>>>> >>>>> I'm new to Pharo (although I was a Smalltalk programmer in the 90's), >>>>> and I'm trying to use FFI to access an MacOs system function: >>>>> >>>>> >>>> Hi and welcome! >>>> >>>> >>>>> apiKLGetKeyboardLayoutCount >>>>> < cdecl: ulong 'KLGetKeyboardLayoutCount' (void) module: >>>>> 'keyboards'> >>>>> ^ self externalCallFailed. >>>>> >>>>> I get an error "'Unable to find function address'" which seems to say >>>>> the OS-module "keyboards" can't be found. >>>>> >>>> >>>> Exactly. That's the problem. >>>> >>>> >>>>> I can't figure out what the address should be. >>>>> The function is defined here: >>>>> http://developer.apple.com/legacy/mac/library/documentation/Carbon/Referenc… >>>>> (yes, it's deprecated, I have a very old mac runnning 10.4). >>>>> >>>>> >>>> But you see the library in your computer, isn't it ? I mean, it is >>>> there, but FFI doesn't find it ? >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> I'm not sure if I'm using FFI correctly, do I have to somehow include >>>>> the external library in the Pharo VM? >>>>> >>>> >>>> No, you shouldn't need to do that. However, you can try to put them >>>> there just to see if that's the problem. I think that at some point (depends >>>> on an order) the library is searched in the same place where you are calling >>>> from. So, yes, do a test, but just a test. It should work without doing >>>> that. >>>> >>>> How did you install FFI ? Which Pharo VM and image versions are you >>>> using ? >>>> >>>> Can anyone help? >>>>> >>>>> >>>> I would like too, but I don't have such library. >>>> >>>> I developed a wrapper for a Clibrary called OpenDBX using FFI. In our >>>> website, some people experimented similar problems. >>>> Please take a look to the title "Problems with Mac OS:" of the >>>> following link: >>>> >>>> http://www.squeakdbx.org/Compiling%20and%20installing%20OpenDBX >>>> >>>> I also cc'ed people that can help you. >>>> >>>> Cheers >>>> >>>> Mariano >>>> >>>> >>>> I'm looked for FFI examples, but don't find anything helpful. >>>>> >>>>> David >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> Pharo-users mailing list >>>>> Pharo-users(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr >>>>> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-users >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Pharo-users mailing list >>> Pharo-users(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr >>> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-users >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Pharo-users mailing list >>> Pharo-users(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr >>> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-users >>> >>> >> > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-users mailing list > Pharo-users(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-users > > > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-users mailing list > Pharo-users(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-users > >

May 15, 2010

Re: [Pharo-users] Using FFI to call a MacOs System function

by David Wilson

Hi Mariano I now see that my solution (yesterday) was a hack. John Macintosh' post (http://forum.world.st/Re-Pharo-users-Using-FFI- to-call-a-MacOs-System-function-tt2131691.html#a2217998) shows how to do this properly. If I do something with this (ie gain real experience) then I'll look at working on the documentation. Cheers David On 14 May, 2010, at 20:16, Mariano Martinez Peck wrote: Let us know your progress. Now...would you like to help us and document all this in http://book.seaside.st/ ? Sorry I mean http://book.pharo-project.org/ ;) too many books We need to write all this down. Image the poor guy that comes after you...imagine if someone already had this problem and you would have found such info...wouldn't that be cool ? Don't worry for the English neither to the text. It doesn't need to be perfect. This is continuous...we first write, and then the community will give feedback, correct it, complete it, etc... If you want to join, please let us know and we generate a user for you. Cheers Mariano Cheers David On 05 May, 2010, at 23:15, Mariano Martinez Peck wrote: BTW....keyboards seems to be a .h (a header) , but not a library...at least in my mac Do you have also the library ? I am still newbie with the Mac OS :( Cheers mariano On Wed, May 5, 2010 at 11:10 PM, Mariano Martinez Peck <marianopeck(a)gmail.com> wrote: On Tue, May 4, 2010 at 4:46 PM, David Wilson <djwilson(a)bluewin.ch> wrote: Hi I'm new to Pharo (although I was a Smalltalk programmer in the 90's), and I'm trying to use FFI to access an MacOs system function: Hi and welcome! apiKLGetKeyboardLayoutCount < cdecl: ulong 'KLGetKeyboardLayoutCount' (void) module: 'keyboards'> ^ self externalCallFailed. I get an error "'Unable to find function address'" which seems to say the OS-module "keyboards" can't be found. Exactly. That's the problem. I can't figure out what the address should be. The function is defined here: http://developer.apple.com/legacy/mac/ library/documentation/Carbon/Reference/KeyboardLayoutServices/ Reference/reference.html (yes, it's deprecated, I have a very old mac runnning 10.4). But you see the library in your computer, isn't it ? I mean, it is there, but FFI doesn't find it ? I'm not sure if I'm using FFI correctly, do I have to somehow include the external library in the Pharo VM? No, you shouldn't need to do that. However, you can try to put them there just to see if that's the problem. I think that at some point (depends on an order) the library is searched in the same place where you are calling from. So, yes, do a test, but just a test. It should work without doing that. How did you install FFI ? Which Pharo VM and image versions are you using ? Can anyone help? I would like too, but I don't have such library. I developed a wrapper for a Clibrary called OpenDBX using FFI. In our website, some people experimented similar problems. Please take a look to the title "Problems with Mac OS:" of the following link: http://www.squeakdbx.org/Compiling%20and%20installing%20OpenDBX I also cc'ed people that can help you. Cheers Mariano I'm looked for FFI examples, but don't find anything helpful. David _______________________________________________ Pharo-users mailing list Pharo-users(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-users _______________________________________________ Pharo-users mailing list Pharo-users(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-users _______________________________________________ Pharo-users mailing list Pharo-users(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-users _______________________________________________ Pharo-users mailing list Pharo-users(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-users

May 15, 2010

Re: [Pharo-users] Resolving some dependencies...

by Mariano Martinez Peck

Done. Check http://www.squeaksource.com/PharoMorphicExtras.html On Wed, May 12, 2010 at 10:08 PM, StÃ©phane Ducasse < stephane.ducasse(a)inria.fr> wrote: > We should edit the project wiki to say that and also the status to private > so that PharoMorphicExtras is just > there for archival purposes. > > Setf > > On May 12, 2010, at 5:18 PM, Mariano Martinez Peck wrote: > > > Carla: some time ago with stef we moved the working packages form > http://www.squeaksource.com/PharoMorphicExtras to > > > > http://www.squeaksource.com/PharoNonCorePackages > > > > As you can see in PharoNonCorePackages it is no more MorphicExtras. > > In addition, we did ConfigurationOfPharoMorphicExtras > > > > So please, from nowon, use that repository. And in case of changing > something, commit it there, as the next dev images will use > PharoNonCorePackages and not PharoMorphicExtras. > > > > Cheers > > > > Mariano > > > > > > On Mon, May 10, 2010 at 7:15 PM, StÃ©phane Ducasse < > stephane.ducasse(a)inria.fr> wrote: > > ExtraMorphs? > > On May 10, 2010, at 5:15 PM, Mariano Martinez Peck wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > On Mon, May 10, 2010 at 5:09 PM, Carla F. Griggio < > carla.griggio(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > Uff, then... I'll have to do some work over this :) > > > > > > About MorphicExtras, if you say it's a lot of crap, I trust you. > > > > > > me too. > > > > > > But the name of ConfigurationOfPharoMorphicExtras suggests that it will > load MorphicExtras (at least for me, because I had the package name 'Morphic > Extras' stucked in my head when I found the metacello configuration) :$ So > that might be a little confusing. > > > > > > That's exactly why I asked. Stef, Carla, do you have a better name for > such configuration ? > > > > > > Cheers > > > > > > Mariano > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks! > > > > > > Carla > > > > > > > > > On Mon, May 10, 2010 at 8:03 AM, StÃ©phane Ducasse < > stephane.ducasse(a)inria.fr> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > PS: When I used ConfigurationOfPharoMorphicExtras, it loaded some > Morphic packages but not the MorphicExtras package itself, I had to load it > manually later. Is that OK? > > > > > > > > Yes because MorphicExtras-StephaneDucasse.144 is a dead package. It > is full of crap or experimental code. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > But anyway, I think she is right. > > > > > > she is not > > > > > > > The package MorphicExtras should be loaded, together with > MorphExamplesAndDemos and LED, shouldn't it ? > > > > > > No it should NOT! > > > Check the classes in there and you will see that you do NOT want that > in your image. :) > > > What I did was to extract the MorphExampleAndDemos where I cleaned the > code made sure that the xamples > > > are working...... > > > > > > So MorphicExtras should just be there so that people can extract > something that they would like to repackage. Period. > > > > > > > > > > > Cheers > > > > > > > > mariano > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > > Pharo-users mailing list > > > > > Pharo-users(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > > > > > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-users > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > Pharo-users mailing list > > > > Pharo-users(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > > > > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-users > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > Pharo-users mailing list > > > > Pharo-users(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > > > > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-users > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Pharo-users mailing list > > > Pharo-users(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > > > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-users > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Pharo-users mailing list > > > Pharo-users(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > > > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-users > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Pharo-users mailing list > > > Pharo-users(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > > > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-users > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Pharo-users mailing list > > Pharo-users(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-users > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Pharo-users mailing list > > Pharo-users(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-users > > > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-users mailing list > Pharo-users(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-users >

May 14, 2010

Re: [Pharo-users] Using FFI to call a MacOs System function

by Mariano Martinez Peck

> > Let us know your progress. Now...would you like to help us and document all > this in http://book.seaside.st/ ? > Sorry I mean http://book.pharo-project.org/ ;) too many books > We need to write all this down. Image the poor guy that comes after > you...imagine if someone already had this problem and you would have found > such info...wouldn't that be cool ? Don't worry for the English neither to > the text. It doesn't need to be perfect. This is continuous...we first > write, and then the community will give feedback, correct it, complete it, > etc... > > If you want to join, please let us know and we generate a user for you. > > Cheers > > Mariano > > Cheers >> >> David >> >> >> >> >> >> On 05 May, 2010, at 23:15, Mariano Martinez Peck wrote: >> >> BTW....keyboards seems to be a .h (a header) , but not a library...at >> least in my mac >> >> Do you have also the library ? I am still newbie with the Mac OS :( >> >> Cheers >> >> mariano >> >> On Wed, May 5, 2010 at 11:10 PM, Mariano Martinez Peck < >> marianopeck(a)gmail.com> wrote: >> >>> >>> >>> On Tue, May 4, 2010 at 4:46 PM, David Wilson <djwilson(a)bluewin.ch>wrote: >>> >>>> Hi >>>> >>>> I'm new to Pharo (although I was a Smalltalk programmer in the 90's), >>>> and I'm trying to use FFI to access an MacOs system function: >>>> >>>> >>> Hi and welcome! >>> >>> >>>> apiKLGetKeyboardLayoutCount >>>> < cdecl: ulong 'KLGetKeyboardLayoutCount' (void) module: >>>> 'keyboards'> >>>> ^ self externalCallFailed. >>>> >>>> I get an error "'Unable to find function address'" which seems to say >>>> the OS-module "keyboards" can't be found. >>>> >>> >>> Exactly. That's the problem. >>> >>> >>>> I can't figure out what the address should be. >>>> The function is defined here: >>>> http://developer.apple.com/legacy/mac/library/documentation/Carbon/Referenc… >>>> (yes, it's deprecated, I have a very old mac runnning 10.4). >>>> >>>> >>> But you see the library in your computer, isn't it ? I mean, it is there, >>> but FFI doesn't find it ? >>> >>> >>> >>>> I'm not sure if I'm using FFI correctly, do I have to somehow include >>>> the external library in the Pharo VM? >>>> >>> >>> No, you shouldn't need to do that. However, you can try to put them there >>> just to see if that's the problem. I think that at some point (depends on an >>> order) the library is searched in the same place where you are calling from. >>> So, yes, do a test, but just a test. It should work without doing that. >>> >>> How did you install FFI ? Which Pharo VM and image versions are you >>> using ? >>> >>> Can anyone help? >>>> >>>> >>> I would like too, but I don't have such library. >>> >>> I developed a wrapper for a Clibrary called OpenDBX using FFI. In our >>> website, some people experimented similar problems. >>> Please take a look to the title "Problems with Mac OS:" of the following >>> link: >>> >>> http://www.squeakdbx.org/Compiling%20and%20installing%20OpenDBX >>> >>> I also cc'ed people that can help you. >>> >>> Cheers >>> >>> Mariano >>> >>> >>> I'm looked for FFI examples, but don't find anything helpful. >>>> >>>> David >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Pharo-users mailing list >>>> Pharo-users(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr >>>> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-users >>>> >>> >>> >> _______________________________________________ >> Pharo-users mailing list >> Pharo-users(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr >> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-users >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Pharo-users mailing list >> Pharo-users(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr >> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-users >> >> >

May 14, 2010

Re: [Pharo-users] Using FFI to call a MacOs System function

by Mariano Martinez Peck

On Fri, May 14, 2010 at 7:04 PM, David Wilson <djwilson(a)bluewin.ch> wrote: > Hi Mariano > > Thanks for the tips, you got me on the right track. Some trial and lots of > error got me to a solution. > > Hi David. I am glad it worked. > In order to use MacOs system calls you have to: > 1) identify the function you want to use e.g. KLGetKeyboardLayoutCount > 2) find out what header file this is defined in. here it's "Keyboards.h" in > the Framework "Carbon/Carbon.h" > So far it's easy from the Apple documentation > > 3) find out which Bundle this is in. I used Finder to find out where > Keyboards.h is used, it's used in HIToolbox.framework > 4) find the actual compiled framework, on my system it's at: > > /System/Library/Frameworks/Carbon.framework/Versions/A/Frameworks/HIToolbox.framework/Versions/A/HIToolbox > 5) I placed a copy of this file in the Pharo bundle at: > Pharo-1.0.app/Contents/Resources/HIToolbox > > An the call looks like: > > apiKLGetKeyboardLayoutCount > < cdecl: ulong 'KLGetKeyboardLayoutCount' (void) module: 'HIToolbox'> > > ^ self externalCallFailed. > > I tried a link to the bundle, that didn't work. > Probably the correct way to do this is to change Pharos RES path (in > Pharo.sh) to include the a pointer to HIToolbox executable. > I may try that if I go further with this than a prototype. > > Let us know your progress. Now...would you like to help us and document all this in http://book.seaside.st/ ? We need to write all this down. Image the poor guy that comes after you...imagine if someone already had this problem and you would have found such info...wouldn't that be cool ? Don't worry for the English neither to the text. It doesn't need to be perfect. This is continuous...we first write, and then the community will give feedback, correct it, complete it, etc... If you want to join, please let us know and we generate a user for you. Cheers Mariano Cheers > > David > > > > > > On 05 May, 2010, at 23:15, Mariano Martinez Peck wrote: > > BTW....keyboards seems to be a .h (a header) , but not a library...at > least in my mac > > Do you have also the library ? I am still newbie with the Mac OS :( > > Cheers > > mariano > > On Wed, May 5, 2010 at 11:10 PM, Mariano Martinez Peck < > marianopeck(a)gmail.com> wrote: > >> >> >> On Tue, May 4, 2010 at 4:46 PM, David Wilson <djwilson(a)bluewin.ch> wrote: >> >>> Hi >>> >>> I'm new to Pharo (although I was a Smalltalk programmer in the 90's), and >>> I'm trying to use FFI to access an MacOs system function: >>> >>> >> Hi and welcome! >> >> >>> apiKLGetKeyboardLayoutCount >>> < cdecl: ulong 'KLGetKeyboardLayoutCount' (void) module: 'keyboards'> >>> ^ self externalCallFailed. >>> >>> I get an error "'Unable to find function address'" which seems to say the >>> OS-module "keyboards" can't be found. >>> >> >> Exactly. That's the problem. >> >> >>> I can't figure out what the address should be. >>> The function is defined here: >>> http://developer.apple.com/legacy/mac/library/documentation/Carbon/Referenc… >>> (yes, it's deprecated, I have a very old mac runnning 10.4). >>> >>> >> But you see the library in your computer, isn't it ? I mean, it is there, >> but FFI doesn't find it ? >> >> >> >>> I'm not sure if I'm using FFI correctly, do I have to somehow include the >>> external library in the Pharo VM? >>> >> >> No, you shouldn't need to do that. However, you can try to put them there >> just to see if that's the problem. I think that at some point (depends on an >> order) the library is searched in the same place where you are calling from. >> So, yes, do a test, but just a test. It should work without doing that. >> >> How did you install FFI ? Which Pharo VM and image versions are you using >> ? >> >> Can anyone help? >>> >>> >> I would like too, but I don't have such library. >> >> I developed a wrapper for a Clibrary called OpenDBX using FFI. In our >> website, some people experimented similar problems. >> Please take a look to the title "Problems with Mac OS:" of the following >> link: >> >> http://www.squeakdbx.org/Compiling%20and%20installing%20OpenDBX >> >> I also cc'ed people that can help you. >> >> Cheers >> >> Mariano >> >> >> I'm looked for FFI examples, but don't find anything helpful. >>> >>> David >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Pharo-users mailing list >>> Pharo-users(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr >>> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-users >>> >> >> > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-users mailing list > Pharo-users(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-users > > > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-users mailing list > Pharo-users(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-users > >

May 14, 2010

IWST 2010 CfP - Deadline Extension

by Michael Haupt

* apologies for multiple copies * The submission deadline for the International Workshop on Smalltalk Technologies (IWST) 2010 has been extended to June 18. Please find the details below. Call for Papers International Workshop on Smalltalk Technologies (IWST) 2010 co-located with European Smalltalk User Group Conference (ESUG) Barcelona, Spain, September 11-17, 2010 ** Description The goal of the IWST workshop series is to create and foster a forum around advances or experience in Smalltalk. We welcome contributions on all aspects, theoretical as well as practical, of Smalltalk-related topics. There are two possible kinds of submissions, which must be in ACM SIGPLAN style: * Research papers (up to 10 pages). Submissions in this category will be rigorously reviewed, and accepted papers will be published in the ACM Digital Library (ACM SIGPLAN has approved, the final ACM approval is pending). * Demonstration papers (up to 4 pages). Submissions in this category will not be published in the ACM Digital Library, but will be available for download from the workshop web page. ** Submission and Reviewing Process The EasyChair submission web site is at http://www.easychair.org/conferences/?conf=iwst10. Authors will be given the opportunity to comment on reviewers' work by providing feedback on the reviews. For this purpose, a questionnaire will be sent to authors. Their answers will be evaluated anonymously, and feedback will be handed on to reviewers. ** Important Dates Submission: June 18, 2010 (Samoa time) Feedback: July 16, 2010 ESUG Early Registration Deadline: July 9, 2010 Authors will be able to register for the early rate if their registration depends on IWST notification. Workshop: September 12, 2010, Barcelona, Spain ** Programme Committee Co-Chairs: Michael Haupt, Hasso-Plattner-Institut, University of Potsdam, Germany Robert Hirschfeld, Hasso-Plattner-Institut, University of Potsdam, Germany PC Members: Gabriela Arevalo, Universidad Nacional de La Plata, Argentina Johannes Brauer, NORDAKADEMIE, Germany Johan Brichau, UniversitÃ© catholique de Louvain, Belgium Marcus Denker, INRIA Lille - Nord Europe, France Theo D'Hondt, Vrije Universiteit Brussel, Belgium James Foster, GemStone Systems, Inc., USA Andy Kellens, Vrije Universiteit Brussel, Belgium Andreas Raab, Teleplace Inc., USA Lukas Renggli, Software Composition Group (SCG), University of Bern, Switzerland Randal L. Schwartz, Stonehenge Consulting Services, Inc. Dave Ungar, IBM Research

May 14, 2010

Re: [Pharo-users] Using FFI to call a MacOs System function

by David Wilson

Hi Mariano Thanks for the tips, you got me on the right track. Some trial and lots of error got me to a solution. In order to use MacOs system calls you have to: 1) identify the function you want to use e.g. KLGetKeyboardLayoutCount 2) find out what header file this is defined in. here it's "Keyboards.h" in the Framework "Carbon/Carbon.h" So far it's easy from the Apple documentation 3) find out which Bundle this is in. I used Finder to find out where Keyboards.h is used, it's used in HIToolbox.framework 4) find the actual compiled framework, on my system it's at: /System/Library/Frameworks/Carbon.framework/Versions/A/Frameworks/ HIToolbox.framework/Versions/A/HIToolbox 5) I placed a copy of this file in the Pharo bundle at: Pharo-1.0.app/Contents/Resources/HIToolbox An the call looks like: apiKLGetKeyboardLayoutCount < cdecl: ulong 'KLGetKeyboardLayoutCount' (void) module: 'HIToolbox'> ^ self externalCallFailed. I tried a link to the bundle, that didn't work. Probably the correct way to do this is to change Pharos RES path (in Pharo.sh) to include the a pointer to HIToolbox executable. I may try that if I go further with this than a prototype. Cheers David On 05 May, 2010, at 23:15, Mariano Martinez Peck wrote: BTW....keyboards seems to be a .h (a header) , but not a library...at least in my mac Do you have also the library ? I am still newbie with the Mac OS :( Cheers mariano On Wed, May 5, 2010 at 11:10 PM, Mariano Martinez Peck <marianopeck(a)gmail.com> wrote: On Tue, May 4, 2010 at 4:46 PM, David Wilson <djwilson(a)bluewin.ch> wrote: Hi I'm new to Pharo (although I was a Smalltalk programmer in the 90's), and I'm trying to use FFI to access an MacOs system function: Hi and welcome! apiKLGetKeyboardLayoutCount < cdecl: ulong 'KLGetKeyboardLayoutCount' (void) module: 'keyboards'> ^ self externalCallFailed. I get an error "'Unable to find function address'" which seems to say the OS-module "keyboards" can't be found. Exactly. That's the problem. I can't figure out what the address should be. The function is defined here: http://developer.apple.com/legacy/mac/ library/documentation/Carbon/Reference/KeyboardLayoutServices/ Reference/reference.html (yes, it's deprecated, I have a very old mac runnning 10.4). But you see the library in your computer, isn't it ? I mean, it is there, but FFI doesn't find it ? I'm not sure if I'm using FFI correctly, do I have to somehow include the external library in the Pharo VM? No, you shouldn't need to do that. However, you can try to put them there just to see if that's the problem. I think that at some point (depends on an order) the library is searched in the same place where you are calling from. So, yes, do a test, but just a test. It should work without doing that. How did you install FFI ? Which Pharo VM and image versions are you using ? Can anyone help? I would like too, but I don't have such library. I developed a wrapper for a Clibrary called OpenDBX using FFI. In our website, some people experimented similar problems. Please take a look to the title "Problems with Mac OS:" of the following link: http://www.squeakdbx.org/Compiling%20and%20installing%20OpenDBX I also cc'ed people that can help you. Cheers Mariano I'm looked for FFI examples, but don't find anything helpful. David _______________________________________________ Pharo-users mailing list Pharo-users(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-users _______________________________________________ Pharo-users mailing list Pharo-users(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-users

May 14, 2010

Help (perfect for newcomers) migrating a technical FAQ

by Mariano Martinez Peck

Hi folks. I had a good idea and and it perfect for someone that wants to help and don't know how. It is not the most entertained task, but I promise you will learn a lot. Mostly, if you are newcomer. The idea is basically to migrate the FAQ that is here: http://scg.unibe.ch/wiki/faq/pharofaq to a new section in the collaborative Pharo book: http://book.pharo-project.org/ So....any takers ? Let us know so that we generate a new user in the Book The idea is also to check whether what is says is still correct for pharo or if it needs an update. Or even how to improve it (from the view of a newcomer). Thanks Mariano

May 13, 2010

Re: [Pharo-users] [Pharo-project] Help testing Pharo 1.1 in big screens!

by StÃ©phane Ducasse

this is ok let us keep that one :) On May 13, 2010, at 9:08 PM, Mariano Martinez Peck wrote: > > > On Thu, May 13, 2010 at 8:44 PM, StÃ©phane Ducasse <stephane.ducasse(a)inria.fr> wrote: > On my 30 inches screen > opening in full show some little square due to the limit of the png :) > > Ok...I guess it's a limit of the png format in particular, but THIS file. I mean, even if I convert it, I will get same results I gues... > > Now, I don't know where this image came from. Samuel Morello ? Can we ask someone for a new one with better resolution ? > > Thanks > > mariano > > > Thanks mariano. > > > On May 13, 2010, at 8:39 PM, Mariano Martinez Peck wrote: > > > Hi folks. I re-try (yes, yes, I re-insist hahaha) to have a background picture for the PharoDev 1.1. The last time I tried, we had a problem with the picture because in big screens instead of making it bigger, it put it several times, or it cut it. Now, thanks to Gary, it should work well. > > > > So, if you are a lucky guy an have a big screen, can you please take the latests PharoCore 1.1 image, for example this: > > > > https://gforge.inria.fr/frs/download.php/26995/PharoCore-1.1-11357-UNSTABLE… > > > > > > How to test it ? > > > > - Download this in the same directory where the .image is: > > https://gforge.inria.fr/frs/download.php/26996/pharoBackground.png > > > > Then evaluate: > > > > World backgroundMorph: > > ((UITheme builder > > newAlphaImage: (ImageReadWriter formFromFileNamed: 'pharoBackground.png') help: nil) > > autoSize: false; > > layout: #scaled; > > lock) > > > > > > What to test ? > > > > - You should stretch the pharo image, make it very big, and the background picture should stretch also together with the image. > > - If you notice a performance decrease with it (I don't think so) > > - If you like it or not. > > - If the resolution is good enough in big screens > > > > > > Thanks! > > > > Mariano > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Pharo-project mailing list > > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project > > > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-users mailing list > Pharo-users(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-users > > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-project mailing list > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project

May 13, 2010

Re: [Pharo-users] [Pharo-project] Help testing Pharo 1.1 in big screens!

by Mariano Martinez Peck

On Thu, May 13, 2010 at 8:44 PM, StÃ©phane Ducasse <stephane.ducasse(a)inria.fr > wrote: > On my 30 inches screen > opening in full show some little square due to the limit of the png :) > Ok...I guess it's a limit of the png format in particular, but THIS file. I mean, even if I convert it, I will get same results I gues... Now, I don't know where this image came from. Samuel Morello ? Can we ask someone for a new one with better resolution ? Thanks mariano > > Thanks mariano. > > > On May 13, 2010, at 8:39 PM, Mariano Martinez Peck wrote: > > > Hi folks. I re-try (yes, yes, I re-insist hahaha) to have a background > picture for the PharoDev 1.1. The last time I tried, we had a problem with > the picture because in big screens instead of making it bigger, it put it > several times, or it cut it. Now, thanks to Gary, it should work well. > > > > So, if you are a lucky guy an have a big screen, can you please take the > latests PharoCore 1.1 image, for example this: > > > > > https://gforge.inria.fr/frs/download.php/26995/PharoCore-1.1-11357-UNSTABLE… > > > > > > How to test it ? > > > > - Download this in the same directory where the .image is: > > https://gforge.inria.fr/frs/download.php/26996/pharoBackground.png > > > > Then evaluate: > > > > World backgroundMorph: > > ((UITheme builder > > newAlphaImage: (ImageReadWriter formFromFileNamed: > 'pharoBackground.png') help: nil) > > autoSize: false; > > layout: #scaled; > > lock) > > > > > > What to test ? > > > > - You should stretch the pharo image, make it very big, and the > background picture should stretch also together with the image. > > - If you notice a performance decrease with it (I don't think so) > > - If you like it or not. > > - If the resolution is good enough in big screens > > > > > > Thanks! > > > > Mariano > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Pharo-project mailing list > > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project > > > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-users mailing list > Pharo-users(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-users >

May 13, 2010

Re: [Pharo-users] [Pharo-project] Help testing Pharo 1.1 in big screens!

by StÃ©phane Ducasse

On my 30 inches screen opening in full show some little square due to the limit of the png :) Thanks mariano. On May 13, 2010, at 8:39 PM, Mariano Martinez Peck wrote: > Hi folks. I re-try (yes, yes, I re-insist hahaha) to have a background picture for the PharoDev 1.1. The last time I tried, we had a problem with the picture because in big screens instead of making it bigger, it put it several times, or it cut it. Now, thanks to Gary, it should work well. > > So, if you are a lucky guy an have a big screen, can you please take the latests PharoCore 1.1 image, for example this: > > https://gforge.inria.fr/frs/download.php/26995/PharoCore-1.1-11357-UNSTABLE… > > > How to test it ? > > - Download this in the same directory where the .image is: > https://gforge.inria.fr/frs/download.php/26996/pharoBackground.png > > Then evaluate: > > World backgroundMorph: > ((UITheme builder > newAlphaImage: (ImageReadWriter formFromFileNamed: 'pharoBackground.png') help: nil) > autoSize: false; > layout: #scaled; > lock) > > > What to test ? > > - You should stretch the pharo image, make it very big, and the background picture should stretch also together with the image. > - If you notice a performance decrease with it (I don't think so) > - If you like it or not. > - If the resolution is good enough in big screens > > > Thanks! > > Mariano > > > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-project mailing list > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project

May 13, 2010

Help testing Pharo 1.1 in big screens!

by Mariano Martinez Peck

Hi folks. I re-try (yes, yes, I re-insist hahaha) to have a background picture for the PharoDev 1.1. The last time I tried, we had a problem with the picture because in big screens instead of making it bigger, it put it several times, or it cut it. Now, thanks to Gary, it should work well. So, if you are a lucky guy an have a big screen, can you please take the latests PharoCore 1.1 image, for example this: https://gforge.inria.fr/frs/download.php/26995/PharoCore-1.1-11357-UNSTABLE… How to test it ? - Download this in the same directory where the .image is: https://gforge.inria.fr/frs/download.php/26996/pharoBackground.png Then evaluate: World backgroundMorph: ((UITheme builder newAlphaImage: (ImageReadWriter formFromFileNamed: 'pharoBackground.png') help: nil) autoSize: false; layout: #scaled; lock) What to test ? - You should stretch the pharo image, make it very big, and the background picture should stretch also together with the image. - If you notice a performance decrease with it (I don't think so) - If you like it or not. - If the resolution is good enough in big screens Thanks! Mariano

May 13, 2010

Re: [Pharo-users] ecompletion - smart characters

by StÃ©phane Ducasse

Cool! On May 13, 2010, at 1:04 AM, Mariano Martinez Peck wrote: > Ok...I added this information to the book. Please look at: > > http://book.pharo-project.org/book/CodeEditing/SmartCharactersAutocompletion > > Cheers > > Mariano

May 13, 2010

Re: [Pharo-users] ecompletion - smart characters

by Mariano Martinez Peck

Ok...I added this information to the book. Please look at: http://book.pharo-project.org/book/CodeEditing/SmartCharactersAutocompletion Cheers Mariano On Tue, May 11, 2010 at 1:40 PM, StÃ©phane Ducasse <stephane.ducasse(a)inria.fr > wrote: > I saw but I want that on http://book.pharo-project.org > > On May 11, 2010, at 10:41 AM, Lukas Renggli wrote: > > > See http://code.google.com/p/pharo/issues/detail?id=2407. > > > > Lukas > > > > On 11 May 2010 10:39, StÃ©phane Ducasse <stephane.ducasse(a)inria.fr> > wrote: > >> mariano > >> > >> can you create a page on the book with that? > >> > >> Stef > >> > >> On May 11, 2010, at 12:18 AM, Mariano Martinez Peck wrote: > >> > >>> > >>> > >>> On Tue, May 11, 2010 at 12:04 AM, Ron Jeffries <ronjeffries(a)acm.org> > wrote: > >>> Hello, Tudor. On Monday, May 10, 2010, at 5:38:07 PM, you wrote: > >>> > >>>> If I understood correctly it is about the matching of brackets and > >>>> quotes. In this regard, the completion behaves exactly like TextMate. > >>> > >>>> So, why is this a bug? > >>> > >>> How do you manage to type a single quote in TextMate? Does that work > >>> in Pharo? > >>> > >>> > >>> Good question. But I don't know. This "feature" is from the package > Shout that is installed in Pharo dev images. If you take a PharoCore for > example, it doesn't happen. > >>> > >>> I keep winding up with too many right parens. It is possible that I > >>> am typing too many. My suspicion is that Pharo is providing too > >>> many. > >>> > >>> This is how it works: > >>> > >>> 1) when you type the LEFT side of: { , [ , ( , " , ' etc .... it > will AUTOMATICALLY open the other pair. This is because this is usually the > case: you open the left one, you will probably need to open the right one. > >>> > >>> 2) when you type the RIGHT side, it only writes the right side. > >>> > >>> 3) When you remove a left side of the two recently created ( like 1) ) > , just after creating it, it removes both of them: left and right > >>> > >>> > >>> Let me remark something. The style to work with this tool, is not to go > to left, type, then go to right, and type. I mean, suppose I have this > >>> > >>> Transcript show: 5 timesRepeat: ['something'] > >>> > >>> and I need to have it like this: > >>> > >>> > >>> Transcript show: (5 timesRepeat: ['something']) > >>> > >>> the whay to work with Pharo is not: > >>> > >>> Transcript show: (5 timesRepeat: ['something'] > >>> > >>> then > >>> > >>> Transcript show: (5 timesRepeat: ['something']) > >>> > >>> The idea is that you FIRST select the code you want, and then, you > press the LEFT side of what you want. In that case, you select "5 > timesRepeat: ['something']" and with that selected you press "(" . And the > same with all those characters. > >>> > >>> It is difficult to explain by chat hahahaha. I think they are very very > useful, but you have to get use to. When I started with Pharo I was still a > java developer..so I was the whole day with Eclipse and then at night with > Pharo...and it was incredible how I was trying to work this way in Eclipse, > in gmail, in TextEdit etc hahahahha > >>> > >>> Cheers > >>> > >>> Mariano > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> Ron Jeffries > >>> www.XProgramming.com > >>> www.xprogramming.com/blog > >>> New and stirring things are belittled because if they are not > belittled, > >>> the humiliating question arises, "Why then are you not taking part in > >>> them?" -- H. G. Wells > >>> > >>> > >>> _______________________________________________ > >>> Pharo-users mailing list > >>> Pharo-users(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > >>> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-users > >>> > >>> _______________________________________________ > >>> Pharo-users mailing list > >>> Pharo-users(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > >>> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-users > >> > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> Pharo-users mailing list > >> Pharo-users(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > >> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-users > >> > > > > > > > > -- > > Lukas Renggli > > www.lukas-renggli.ch > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Pharo-users mailing list > > Pharo-users(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-users > > > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-users mailing list > Pharo-users(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-users >

May 12, 2010

Re: [Pharo-users] Resolving some dependencies...

by StÃ©phane Ducasse

We should edit the project wiki to say that and also the status to private so that PharoMorphicExtras is just there for archival purposes. Setf On May 12, 2010, at 5:18 PM, Mariano Martinez Peck wrote: > Carla: some time ago with stef we moved the working packages form http://www.squeaksource.com/PharoMorphicExtras to > > http://www.squeaksource.com/PharoNonCorePackages > > As you can see in PharoNonCorePackages it is no more MorphicExtras. > In addition, we did ConfigurationOfPharoMorphicExtras > > So please, from nowon, use that repository. And in case of changing something, commit it there, as the next dev images will use PharoNonCorePackages and not PharoMorphicExtras. > > Cheers > > Mariano > > > On Mon, May 10, 2010 at 7:15 PM, StÃ©phane Ducasse <stephane.ducasse(a)inria.fr> wrote: > ExtraMorphs? > On May 10, 2010, at 5:15 PM, Mariano Martinez Peck wrote: > > > > > > > On Mon, May 10, 2010 at 5:09 PM, Carla F. Griggio <carla.griggio(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > Uff, then... I'll have to do some work over this :) > > > > About MorphicExtras, if you say it's a lot of crap, I trust you. > > > > me too. > > > > But the name of ConfigurationOfPharoMorphicExtras suggests that it will load MorphicExtras (at least for me, because I had the package name 'Morphic Extras' stucked in my head when I found the metacello configuration) :$ So that might be a little confusing. > > > > That's exactly why I asked. Stef, Carla, do you have a better name for such configuration ? > > > > Cheers > > > > Mariano > > > > > > > > Thanks! > > > > Carla > > > > > > On Mon, May 10, 2010 at 8:03 AM, StÃ©phane Ducasse <stephane.ducasse(a)inria.fr> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > PS: When I used ConfigurationOfPharoMorphicExtras, it loaded some Morphic packages but not the MorphicExtras package itself, I had to load it manually later. Is that OK? > > > > > > Yes because MorphicExtras-StephaneDucasse.144 is a dead package. It is full of crap or experimental code. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > But anyway, I think she is right. > > > > she is not > > > > > The package MorphicExtras should be loaded, together with MorphExamplesAndDemos and LED, shouldn't it ? > > > > No it should NOT! > > Check the classes in there and you will see that you do NOT want that in your image. :) > > What I did was to extract the MorphExampleAndDemos where I cleaned the code made sure that the xamples > > are working...... > > > > So MorphicExtras should just be there so that people can extract something that they would like to repackage. Period. > > > > > > > > Cheers > > > > > > mariano > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > Pharo-users mailing list > > > > Pharo-users(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > > > > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-users > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Pharo-users mailing list > > > Pharo-users(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > > > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-users > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Pharo-users mailing list > > > Pharo-users(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > > > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-users > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Pharo-users mailing list > > Pharo-users(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-users > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Pharo-users mailing list > > Pharo-users(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-users > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Pharo-users mailing list > > Pharo-users(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-users > > > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-users mailing list > Pharo-users(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-users > > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-users mailing list > Pharo-users(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-users

May 12, 2010

Re: [Pharo-users] Resolving some dependencies...

by Mariano Martinez Peck

Carla: some time ago with stef we moved the working packages form http://www.squeaksource.com/PharoMorphicExtras to http://www.squeaksource.com/PharoNonCorePackages As you can see in PharoNonCorePackages it is no more MorphicExtras. In addition, we did ConfigurationOfPharoMorphicExtras So please, from nowon, use that repository. And in case of changing something, commit it there, as the next dev images will use PharoNonCorePackages and not PharoMorphicExtras. Cheers Mariano On Mon, May 10, 2010 at 7:15 PM, StÃ©phane Ducasse <stephane.ducasse(a)inria.fr > wrote: > ExtraMorphs? > On May 10, 2010, at 5:15 PM, Mariano Martinez Peck wrote: > > > > > > > On Mon, May 10, 2010 at 5:09 PM, Carla F. Griggio < > carla.griggio(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > Uff, then... I'll have to do some work over this :) > > > > About MorphicExtras, if you say it's a lot of crap, I trust you. > > > > me too. > > > > But the name of ConfigurationOfPharoMorphicExtras suggests that it will > load MorphicExtras (at least for me, because I had the package name 'Morphic > Extras' stucked in my head when I found the metacello configuration) :$ So > that might be a little confusing. > > > > That's exactly why I asked. Stef, Carla, do you have a better name for > such configuration ? > > > > Cheers > > > > Mariano > > > > > > > > Thanks! > > > > Carla > > > > > > On Mon, May 10, 2010 at 8:03 AM, StÃ©phane Ducasse < > stephane.ducasse(a)inria.fr> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > PS: When I used ConfigurationOfPharoMorphicExtras, it loaded some > Morphic packages but not the MorphicExtras package itself, I had to load it > manually later. Is that OK? > > > > > > Yes because MorphicExtras-StephaneDucasse.144 is a dead package. It is > full of crap or experimental code. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > But anyway, I think she is right. > > > > she is not > > > > > The package MorphicExtras should be loaded, together with > MorphExamplesAndDemos and LED, shouldn't it ? > > > > No it should NOT! > > Check the classes in there and you will see that you do NOT want that in > your image. :) > > What I did was to extract the MorphExampleAndDemos where I cleaned the > code made sure that the xamples > > are working...... > > > > So MorphicExtras should just be there so that people can extract > something that they would like to repackage. Period. > > > > > > > > Cheers > > > > > > mariano > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > Pharo-users mailing list > > > > Pharo-users(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > > > > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-users > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Pharo-users mailing list > > > Pharo-users(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > > > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-users > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Pharo-users mailing list > > > Pharo-users(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > > > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-users > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Pharo-users mailing list > > Pharo-users(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-users > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Pharo-users mailing list > > Pharo-users(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-users > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Pharo-users mailing list > > Pharo-users(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-users > > > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-users mailing list > Pharo-users(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-users >

May 12, 2010

Re: [Pharo-users] Request help in using any WYSIWYG Javascript editor, preferably TinyMCE

by Miguel Enrique CobÃ¡ Martinez

El mar, 11-05-2010 a las 16:57 -0400, Marco A. Gonzalez escribiÃ³: > Hi, I'm new to Pharo, and think that along with Seaside, it is so well > architected that it's compelling me to try it for professional web > development. > > I've created a simple web application in Seaside into which I'd like > to incorporate a WYSIWYG Javascript editor for the HTML textarea tags > so my users can enter stylized text. I've used TinyMCE in the past in > my Java-based web apps, and it's been very simple to integrate. > See http://tinymce.moxiecode.com/. > > However, I can't get it to work in my Pharo/Seaside web applications. > It just doesn't show up in my web browser. > I hope I've specified everything below clearly, completely and > succinctly. Has anyone else incorporated TinyMCE successfully? What am > I missing? What am I doing wrong? I use tinyMCE but I don't import the javascript code into the Seaside app. I put them on the web server in a given path and then in the Seaside code I put a reference to it: updateRoot: anHtmlRoot super updateRoot: anHtmlRoot. anHtmlRoot javascript resourceUrl: '/javascript/tiny_mce/tiny_mce.js' I use a resource url but you can use a full path by using url: (I think). Then in the text area component: script ^ ' tinyMCE.init({ mode : "textareas", theme : "advanced" }); ' and then something like: renderContentOn: html html label with: self session l10n text. html break. html textArea class: 'span-13'; rows: 6; on: #text of: self note And this activates the editor on all the text areas on the page. Hope this help. -- Miguel CobÃ¡ http://miguel.leugim.com.mx

May 12, 2010

Re: [Pharo-users] Request help in using any WYSIWYG Javascript editor, preferably TinyMCE

by Igor Stasenko

I don't know if it would help, but i think FireBug (for Firefox browser) will make your life much easier, to debug things and determine why it not works :) On 11 May 2010 23:57, Marco A. Gonzalez <marcoinc(a)mac.com> wrote: > Hi, I'm new to Pharo, and think that along with Seaside, it is so well > architected that it's compelling me to try it for professional web > development. > I've created a simple web application in Seaside into which I'd like to > incorporate a WYSIWYG Javascript editor for the HTML textarea tags so my > users can enter stylized text. I've used TinyMCE in the past in my > Java-based web apps, and it's been very simple to integrate. > SeeÂ http://tinymce.moxiecode.com/. > > However, I can't get it to work in my Pharo/Seaside web applications. It > just doesn't show up in my web browser. > I hope I've specified everything below clearly, completely and succinctly. > Has anyone else incorporated TinyMCE successfully? What am I missing? What > am I doing wrong? > > Below are the relevant snippets of code: > ---- > #updateRoot: anHtmlRoot > super updateRoot:anHtmlRoot. > > "Adds tinyMCE javascript code to the document with a 'script src=' > anHtmlRoot addScript: self tinyMCEJavascript. > > #tinyMCEJavascript > ^' > tinyMCE.init({ > // General options > // mode : "textareas", > > mode : "specific_textareas", > editor_selector : "useJavascriptWYSIWYGEditor", > > theme : "advanced", > plugins : > "safari,spellchecker,pagebreak,style,layer,table,save,advhr,advimage,advlink,emotions,iespell,inlinepopups,insertdatetime,preview,media,searchreplace,print,contextmenu,paste,directionality,fullscreen,noneditable,visualchars,nonbreaking,xhtmlxtras,template,imagemanager,filemanager", > > // Theme options > theme_advanced_buttons1 : > "save,newdocument,|,bold,italic,underline,strikethrough,|,justifyleft,justifycenter,justifyright,justifyfull,|,styleselect,formatselect,fontselect,fontsizeselect", > theme_advanced_buttons2 : > "cut,copy,paste,pastetext,pasteword,|,search,replace,|,bullist,numlist,|,outdent,indent,blockquote,|,undo,redo,|,link,unlink,anchor,image,cleanup,help,code,|,insertdate,inserttime,preview,|,forecolor,backcolor", > theme_advanced_buttons3 : > "tablecontrols,|,hr,removeformat,visualaid,|,sub,sup,|,charmap,emotions,iespell,media,advhr,|,print,|,ltr,rtl,|,fullscreen", > theme_advanced_buttons4 : > "insertlayer,moveforward,movebackward,absolute,|,styleprops,spellchecker,|,cite,abbr,acronym,del,ins,attribs,|,visualchars,nonbreaking,template,blockquote,pagebreak,|,insertfile,insertimage", > theme_advanced_toolbar_location : "top", > theme_advanced_toolbar_align : "left", > theme_advanced_statusbar_location : "bottom", > theme_advanced_resizing : true, > > // Example content CSS (should be your site CSS) > content_css : "css/example.css", > > // Drop lists for link/image/media/template dialogs > template_external_list_url : "js/template_list.js", > external_link_list_url : "js/link_list.js", > external_image_list_url : "js/image_list.js", > media_external_list_url : "js/media_list.js", > > // Replace values for the template plugin > template_replace_values : { > username : "Some User", > staffid : "991234" > } > }); > '. > > #renderContentOn: html > html document addLoadScript:'tinyMCE.init();'. > > html div class: 'AmagaviBNIEventEditor'; with: [ > html form multipart with: [ > html table class: 'rolodex'; with:[ > > html tableRow:[ > html tableHeading:'Descriptive text'. > html tableData:[ > html textArea > "class: 'content';" > class: 'useJavascriptWYSIWYGEditor'; > columns: '60'; > rows: '5'; > callback: [ :editedValue | self event descriptiveText: editedValue ]; > value: self event descriptiveText. > ]. > ]. "tableRow" > ]. "table" > > html submitButton > callback: [ self save. ]; > value: 'Save'. > > html submitButton > callback: [self cancel]; > value: 'Cancel'. > ]. "form" > ]. "div" > > ---- > > Using my web browser, when I "view source" to see the HTML, I appropriately > see the following HTML in between the <head></head> tags: > <script type="text/javascript" > src="/amagaviBNI?_s=UOMr33WyYGqoSDx0"></script> > > Copy/Pasting the "/amagaviBNI?_s=UOMr33WyYGqoSDx0" in my browser > appropriately shows the tinyMCE.init() javascript method that is referenced > by #tinyMCEJavascript. > > The textarea HTML appropriately shows > <textarea rows="5" cols="60" class="useJavascriptWYSIWYGEditor" > name="5">This is an event. </textarea> > > The body tag looks like this: > <body onload="onLoad()"> > > ... and right above the closing body tag, the HTML is... > <script type="text/javascript">/*<![CDATA[*/function > onLoad(){tinyMCE.init();}/*]]>*/</script></body> > > I'm using PharoCore1.0, Latest update: #10517 on a Macintosh MacBookPro with > OS X v10.5.8. > Using "printIt" on SmalltalkImage current vmVersion, I get > 'Squeak3.8.1 of ''28 Aug 2006'' [latest update: #6747] Squeak VM 4.2.2b1' > > I think I'm using Seaside 3.0a5 since I have a window entitled "Seaside > 3.0a5" but since I've used the World menu > System > Software update to > update my system, I don't know if it's been updated. I also don't know what > to evaluate to determine what actual version of Seaside I'm running so I'd > be grateful if someone could tell me how to do that too. If there's a newer > version of Seaside that I've not been getting using "Software update", then > would you tell me how to get the most recent, "usable" version also? > > Finally, thanks to everyone who has developed all the above-mentioned > components, as well as the people using Pharo and Seaside and have been > posting and answering questions. I hope to get to a point of expertise where > I can contribute as well. > > - Marco A. > --------- > Marco A. Gonzalez > web:Â http://www.amagavi.com/ > > > > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-users mailing list > Pharo-users(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-users > > -- Best regards, Igor Stasenko AKA sig.

May 11, 2010

Re: [Pharo-users] Request help in using any WYSIWYG Javascript editor, preferably TinyMCE

by StÃ©phane Ducasse

hi marco welcome :) May be you should ask seaside questions to the seaside mailing-list? Because you will have a better chance to get an answer. stef On May 11, 2010, at 10:57 PM, Marco A. Gonzalez wrote: > Hi, I'm new to Pharo, and think that along with Seaside, it is so well architected that it's compelling me to try it for professional web development. > > I've created a simple web application in Seaside into which I'd like to incorporate a WYSIWYG Javascript editor for the HTML textarea tags so my users can enter stylized text. I've used TinyMCE in the past in my Java-based web apps, and it's been very simple to integrate. See http://tinymce.moxiecode.com/. > > However, I can't get it to work in my Pharo/Seaside web applications. It just doesn't show up in my web browser. > I hope I've specified everything below clearly, completely and succinctly. Has anyone else incorporated TinyMCE successfully? What am I missing? What am I doing wrong? > > Below are the relevant snippets of code: > ---- > #updateRoot: anHtmlRoot > super updateRoot:anHtmlRoot. > > "Adds tinyMCE javascript code to the document with a 'script src=' > anHtmlRoot addScript: self tinyMCEJavascript. > > #tinyMCEJavascript > ^' > tinyMCE.init({ > // General options > // mode : "textareas", > > mode : "specific_textareas", > editor_selector : "useJavascriptWYSIWYGEditor", > > theme : "advanced", > plugins : "safari,spellchecker,pagebreak,style,layer,table,save,advhr,advimage,advlink,emotions,iespell,inlinepopups,insertdatetime,preview,media,searchreplace,print,contextmenu,paste,directionality,fullscreen,noneditable,visualchars,nonbreaking,xhtmlxtras,template,imagemanager,filemanager", > > // Theme options > theme_advanced_buttons1 : "save,newdocument,|,bold,italic,underline,strikethrough,|,justifyleft,justifycenter,justifyright,justifyfull,|,styleselect,formatselect,fontselect,fontsizeselect", > theme_advanced_buttons2 : "cut,copy,paste,pastetext,pasteword,|,search,replace,|,bullist,numlist,|,outdent,indent,blockquote,|,undo,redo,|,link,unlink,anchor,image,cleanup,help,code,|,insertdate,inserttime,preview,|,forecolor,backcolor", > theme_advanced_buttons3 : "tablecontrols,|,hr,removeformat,visualaid,|,sub,sup,|,charmap,emotions,iespell,media,advhr,|,print,|,ltr,rtl,|,fullscreen", > theme_advanced_buttons4 : "insertlayer,moveforward,movebackward,absolute,|,styleprops,spellchecker,|,cite,abbr,acronym,del,ins,attribs,|,visualchars,nonbreaking,template,blockquote,pagebreak,|,insertfile,insertimage", > theme_advanced_toolbar_location : "top", > theme_advanced_toolbar_align : "left", > theme_advanced_statusbar_location : "bottom", > theme_advanced_resizing : true, > > // Example content CSS (should be your site CSS) > content_css : "css/example.css", > > // Drop lists for link/image/media/template dialogs > template_external_list_url : "js/template_list.js", > external_link_list_url : "js/link_list.js", > external_image_list_url : "js/image_list.js", > media_external_list_url : "js/media_list.js", > > // Replace values for the template plugin > template_replace_values : { > username : "Some User", > staffid : "991234" > } > }); > '. > > #renderContentOn: html > html document addLoadScript:'tinyMCE.init();'. > > html div class: 'AmagaviBNIEventEditor'; with: [ > html form multipart with: [ > html table class: 'rolodex'; with:[ > > html tableRow:[ > html tableHeading:'Descriptive text'. > html tableData:[ > html textArea > "class: 'content';" > class: 'useJavascriptWYSIWYGEditor'; > columns: '60'; > rows: '5'; > callback: [ :editedValue | self event descriptiveText: editedValue ]; > value: self event descriptiveText. > ]. > ]. "tableRow" > ]. "table" > > html submitButton > callback: [ self save. ]; > value: 'Save'. > > html submitButton > callback: [self cancel]; > value: 'Cancel'. > ]. "form" > ]. "div" > > ---- > > Using my web browser, when I "view source" to see the HTML, I appropriately see the following HTML in between the <head></head> tags: > <script type="text/javascript" src="/amagaviBNI?_s=UOMr33WyYGqoSDx0"></script> > > Copy/Pasting the "/amagaviBNI?_s=UOMr33WyYGqoSDx0" in my browser appropriately shows the tinyMCE.init() javascript method that is referenced by #tinyMCEJavascript. > > The textarea HTML appropriately shows > <textarea rows="5" cols="60" class="useJavascriptWYSIWYGEditor" name="5">This is an event. </textarea> > > The body tag looks like this: > <body onload="onLoad()"> > > ... and right above the closing body tag, the HTML is... > <script type="text/javascript">/*<![CDATA[*/function onLoad(){tinyMCE.init();}/*]]>*/</script></body> > > I'm using PharoCore1.0, Latest update: #10517 on a Macintosh MacBookPro with OS X v10.5.8. > Using "printIt" on SmalltalkImage current vmVersion, I get > 'Squeak3.8.1 of ''28 Aug 2006'' [latest update: #6747] Squeak VM 4.2.2b1' > > I think I'm using Seaside 3.0a5 since I have a window entitled "Seaside 3.0a5" but since I've used the World menu > System > Software update to update my system, I don't know if it's been updated. I also don't know what to evaluate to determine what actual version of Seaside I'm running so I'd be grateful if someone could tell me how to do that too. If there's a newer version of Seaside that I've not been getting using "Software update", then would you tell me how to get the most recent, "usable" version also? > > Finally, thanks to everyone who has developed all the above-mentioned components, as well as the people using Pharo and Seaside and have been posting and answering questions. I hope to get to a point of expertise where I can contribute as well. > > - Marco A. > --------- > Marco A. Gonzalez > web: http://www.amagavi.com/ > > > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-users mailing list > Pharo-users(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-users

May 11, 2010

Request help in using any WYSIWYG Javascript editor, preferably TinyMCE

by Marco A. Gonzalez

Hi, I'm new to Pharo, and think that along with Seaside, it is so well architected that it's compelling me to try it for professional web development. I've created a simple web application in Seaside into which I'd like to incorporate a WYSIWYG Javascript editor for the HTML textarea tags so my users can enter stylized text. I've used TinyMCE in the past in my Java-based web apps, and it's been very simple to integrate. See http://tinymce.moxiecode.com/ . However, I can't get it to work in my Pharo/Seaside web applications. It just doesn't show up in my web browser. I hope I've specified everything below clearly, completely and succinctly. Has anyone else incorporated TinyMCE successfully? What am I missing? What am I doing wrong? Below are the relevant snippets of code: ---- #updateRoot: anHtmlRoot super updateRoot:anHtmlRoot. "Adds tinyMCE javascript code to the document with a 'script src=' anHtmlRoot addScript: self tinyMCEJavascript. #tinyMCEJavascript ^' tinyMCE.init({ // General options // mode : "textareas", mode : "specific_textareas", editor_selector : "useJavascriptWYSIWYGEditor", theme : "advanced", plugins : "safari,spellchecker,pagebreak,style,layer,table,save,advhr,advimage,advlink,emotions,iespell,inlinepopups,insertdatetime,preview,media,searchreplace,print,contextmenu,paste,directionality,fullscreen,noneditable,visualchars,nonbreaking,xhtmlxtras,template,imagemanager,filemanager", // Theme options theme_advanced_buttons1 : "save ,newdocument ,| ,bold ,italic ,underline ,strikethrough ,| ,justifyleft ,justifycenter ,justifyright ,justifyfull,|,styleselect,formatselect,fontselect,fontsizeselect", theme_advanced_buttons2 : "cut ,copy ,paste ,pastetext ,pasteword ,| ,search ,replace ,| ,bullist ,numlist ,| ,outdent ,indent ,blockquote ,| ,undo ,redo ,| ,link ,unlink ,anchor ,image ,cleanup ,help,code,|,insertdate,inserttime,preview,|,forecolor,backcolor", theme_advanced_buttons3 : "tablecontrols ,| ,hr ,removeformat ,visualaid ,| ,sub ,sup ,|,charmap,emotions,iespell,media,advhr,|,print,|,ltr,rtl,|,fullscreen", theme_advanced_buttons4 : "insertlayer ,moveforward ,movebackward ,absolute ,| ,styleprops ,spellchecker ,| ,cite ,abbr ,acronym ,del ,ins ,attribs ,| ,visualchars ,nonbreaking,template,blockquote,pagebreak,|,insertfile,insertimage", theme_advanced_toolbar_location : "top", theme_advanced_toolbar_align : "left", theme_advanced_statusbar_location : "bottom", theme_advanced_resizing : true, // Example content CSS (should be your site CSS) content_css : "css/example.css", // Drop lists for link/image/media/template dialogs template_external_list_url : "js/template_list.js", external_link_list_url : "js/link_list.js", external_image_list_url : "js/image_list.js", media_external_list_url : "js/media_list.js", // Replace values for the template plugin template_replace_values : { username : "Some User", staffid : "991234" } }); '. #renderContentOn: html html document addLoadScript:'tinyMCE.init();'. html div class: 'AmagaviBNIEventEditor'; with: [ html form multipart with: [ html table class: 'rolodex'; with:[ html tableRow:[ html tableHeading:'Descriptive text'. html tableData:[ html textArea "class: 'content';" class: 'useJavascriptWYSIWYGEditor'; columns: '60'; rows: '5'; callback: [ :editedValue | self event descriptiveText: editedValue ]; value: self event descriptiveText. ]. ]. "tableRow" ]. "table" html submitButton callback: [ self save. ]; value: 'Save'. html submitButton callback: [self cancel]; value: 'Cancel'. ]. "form" ]. "div" ---- Using my web browser, when I "view source" to see the HTML, I appropriately see the following HTML in between the <head></head> tags: <script type="text/javascript" src="/amagaviBNI? _s=UOMr33WyYGqoSDx0"></script> Copy/Pasting the "/amagaviBNI?_s=UOMr33WyYGqoSDx0" in my browser appropriately shows the tinyMCE.init() javascript method that is referenced by #tinyMCEJavascript. The textarea HTML appropriately shows <textarea rows="5" cols="60" class="useJavascriptWYSIWYGEditor" name="5">This is an event. </textarea> The body tag looks like this: <body onload="onLoad()"> ... and right above the closing body tag, the HTML is... <script type="text/javascript">/*<![CDATA[*/function onLoad() {tinyMCE.init();}/*]]>*/</script></body> I'm using PharoCore1.0, Latest update: #10517 on a Macintosh MacBookPro with OS X v10.5.8. Using "printIt" on SmalltalkImage current vmVersion, I get 'Squeak3.8.1 of ''28 Aug 2006'' [latest update: #6747] Squeak VM 4.2.2b1' I think I'm using Seaside 3.0a5 since I have a window entitled "Seaside 3.0a5" but since I've used the World menu > System > Software update to update my system, I don't know if it's been updated. I also don't know what to evaluate to determine what actual version of Seaside I'm running so I'd be grateful if someone could tell me how to do that too. If there's a newer version of Seaside that I've not been getting using "Software update", then would you tell me how to get the most recent, "usable" version also? Finally, thanks to everyone who has developed all the above-mentioned components, as well as the people using Pharo and Seaside and have been posting and answering questions. I hope to get to a point of expertise where I can contribute as well. - Marco A. --------- Marco A. Gonzalez web: http://www.amagavi.com/

May 11, 2010

Re: [Pharo-users] ecompletion - smart characters

by StÃ©phane Ducasse

I saw but I want that on http://book.pharo-project.org On May 11, 2010, at 10:41 AM, Lukas Renggli wrote: > See http://code.google.com/p/pharo/issues/detail?id=2407. > > Lukas > > On 11 May 2010 10:39, StÃ©phane Ducasse <stephane.ducasse(a)inria.fr> wrote: >> mariano >> >> can you create a page on the book with that? >> >> Stef >> >> On May 11, 2010, at 12:18 AM, Mariano Martinez Peck wrote: >> >>> >>> >>> On Tue, May 11, 2010 at 12:04 AM, Ron Jeffries <ronjeffries(a)acm.org> wrote: >>> Hello, Tudor. On Monday, May 10, 2010, at 5:38:07 PM, you wrote: >>> >>>> If I understood correctly it is about the matching of brackets and >>>> quotes. In this regard, the completion behaves exactly like TextMate. >>> >>>> So, why is this a bug? >>> >>> How do you manage to type a single quote in TextMate? Does that work >>> in Pharo? >>> >>> >>> Good question. But I don't know. This "feature" is from the package Shout that is installed in Pharo dev images. If you take a PharoCore for example, it doesn't happen. >>> >>> I keep winding up with too many right parens. It is possible that I >>> am typing too many. My suspicion is that Pharo is providing too >>> many. >>> >>> This is how it works: >>> >>> 1) when you type the LEFT side of: { , [ , ( , " , ' etc .... it will AUTOMATICALLY open the other pair. This is because this is usually the case: you open the left one, you will probably need to open the right one. >>> >>> 2) when you type the RIGHT side, it only writes the right side. >>> >>> 3) When you remove a left side of the two recently created ( like 1) ) , just after creating it, it removes both of them: left and right >>> >>> >>> Let me remark something. The style to work with this tool, is not to go to left, type, then go to right, and type. I mean, suppose I have this >>> >>> Transcript show: 5 timesRepeat: ['something'] >>> >>> and I need to have it like this: >>> >>> >>> Transcript show: (5 timesRepeat: ['something']) >>> >>> the whay to work with Pharo is not: >>> >>> Transcript show: (5 timesRepeat: ['something'] >>> >>> then >>> >>> Transcript show: (5 timesRepeat: ['something']) >>> >>> The idea is that you FIRST select the code you want, and then, you press the LEFT side of what you want. In that case, you select "5 timesRepeat: ['something']" and with that selected you press "(" . And the same with all those characters. >>> >>> It is difficult to explain by chat hahahaha. I think they are very very useful, but you have to get use to. When I started with Pharo I was still a java developer..so I was the whole day with Eclipse and then at night with Pharo...and it was incredible how I was trying to work this way in Eclipse, in gmail, in TextEdit etc hahahahha >>> >>> Cheers >>> >>> Mariano >>> >>> >>> >>> Ron Jeffries >>> www.XProgramming.com >>> www.xprogramming.com/blog >>> New and stirring things are belittled because if they are not belittled, >>> the humiliating question arises, "Why then are you not taking part in >>> them?" -- H. G. Wells >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Pharo-users mailing list >>> Pharo-users(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr >>> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-users >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Pharo-users mailing list >>> Pharo-users(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr >>> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-users >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Pharo-users mailing list >> Pharo-users(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr >> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-users >> > > > > -- > Lukas Renggli > www.lukas-renggli.ch > > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-users mailing list > Pharo-users(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-users

May 11, 2010

Re: [Pharo-users] ecompletion - smart characters

by Lukas Renggli

Yes, of course :-) Lukas On 11 May 2010 10:43, Mariano Martinez Peck <marianopeck(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > On Tue, May 11, 2010 at 10:41 AM, Lukas Renggli <renggli(a)gmail.com> wrote: >> >> See http://code.google.com/p/pharo/issues/detail?id=2407. >> > > I thought it was Shout who did that...is ECompletion instead ? > > >> >> Lukas >> >> On 11 May 2010 10:39, StÃ©phane Ducasse <stephane.ducasse(a)inria.fr> wrote: >> > mariano >> > >> > can you create a page on the book with that? >> > >> > Stef >> > >> > On May 11, 2010, at 12:18 AM, Mariano Martinez Peck wrote: >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> On Tue, May 11, 2010 at 12:04 AM, Ron Jeffries <ronjeffries(a)acm.org> >> >> wrote: >> >> Hello, Tudor. Â On Monday, May 10, 2010, at 5:38:07 PM, you wrote: >> >> >> >> > If I understood correctly it is about the matching of brackets and >> >> > quotes. In this regard, the completion behaves exactly like TextMate. >> >> >> >> > So, why is this a bug? >> >> >> >> How do you manage to type a single quote in TextMate? Does that work >> >> in Pharo? >> >> >> >> >> >> Good question. But I don't know. This "feature" is from the package >> >> Shout that is installed in Pharo dev images. If you take a PharoCore for >> >> example, it doesn't happen. >> >> >> >> I keep winding up with too many right parens. It is possible that I >> >> am typing too many. My suspicion is that Pharo is providing too >> >> many. >> >> >> >> This is how it works: >> >> >> >> 1) when you type the LEFT side of: Â { , [ Â , ( , " , ' Â Â etc .... it >> >> will AUTOMATICALLY open the other pair. This is because this is usually the >> >> case: you open the left one, you will probably need to open the right one. >> >> >> >> 2) when you type the RIGHT side, it only writes the right side. >> >> >> >> 3) When you remove a left side of the two recently created ( like 1) ) >> >> , just after creating it, it removes both of them: left and right >> >> >> >> >> >> Let me remark something. The style to work with this tool, is not to go >> >> to left, type, then go to right, and type. I mean, suppose I have Â this >> >> >> >> Transcript show: 5 timesRepeat: ['something'] >> >> >> >> and I need to have it like this: >> >> >> >> >> >> Transcript show: (5 timesRepeat: ['something']) >> >> >> >> the whay to work with Pharo is not: >> >> >> >> Transcript show: (5 timesRepeat: ['something'] >> >> >> >> then >> >> >> >> Transcript show: (5 timesRepeat: ['something']) >> >> >> >> The idea is that you FIRST select the code you want, and then, you >> >> press the LEFT side of what you want. In that case, you select "5 >> >> timesRepeat: ['something']" and with that selected you press "(" . And the >> >> same with all those characters. >> >> >> >> It is difficult to explain by chat hahahaha. I think they are very very >> >> useful, but you have to get use to. When I started with Pharo I was still a >> >> java developer..so I was the whole day with Eclipse and then at night with >> >> Pharo...and it was incredible how I was trying to work this way in Eclipse, >> >> in gmail, in TextEdit etc hahahahha >> >> >> >> Cheers >> >> >> >> Mariano >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Ron Jeffries >> >> www.XProgramming.com >> >> www.xprogramming.com/blog >> >> New and stirring things are belittled because if they are not >> >> belittled, >> >> the humiliating question arises, "Why then are you not taking part in >> >> them?" Â -- H. G. Wells >> >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> Pharo-users mailing list >> >> Pharo-users(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr >> >> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-users >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> Pharo-users mailing list >> >> Pharo-users(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr >> >> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-users >> > >> > >> > _______________________________________________ >> > Pharo-users mailing list >> > Pharo-users(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr >> > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-users >> > >> >> >> >> -- >> Lukas Renggli >> www.lukas-renggli.ch >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Pharo-users mailing list >> Pharo-users(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr >> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-users > > > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-users mailing list > Pharo-users(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-users > > -- Lukas Renggli www.lukas-renggli.ch

May 11, 2010

Re: [Pharo-users] ecompletion - smart characters

by Mariano Martinez Peck

On Tue, May 11, 2010 at 10:41 AM, Lukas Renggli <renggli(a)gmail.com> wrote: > See http://code.google.com/p/pharo/issues/detail?id=2407. > > I thought it was Shout who did that...is ECompletion instead ? > Lukas > > On 11 May 2010 10:39, StÃ©phane Ducasse <stephane.ducasse(a)inria.fr> wrote: > > mariano > > > > can you create a page on the book with that? > > > > Stef > > > > On May 11, 2010, at 12:18 AM, Mariano Martinez Peck wrote: > > > >> > >> > >> On Tue, May 11, 2010 at 12:04 AM, Ron Jeffries <ronjeffries(a)acm.org> > wrote: > >> Hello, Tudor. On Monday, May 10, 2010, at 5:38:07 PM, you wrote: > >> > >> > If I understood correctly it is about the matching of brackets and > >> > quotes. In this regard, the completion behaves exactly like TextMate. > >> > >> > So, why is this a bug? > >> > >> How do you manage to type a single quote in TextMate? Does that work > >> in Pharo? > >> > >> > >> Good question. But I don't know. This "feature" is from the package > Shout that is installed in Pharo dev images. If you take a PharoCore for > example, it doesn't happen. > >> > >> I keep winding up with too many right parens. It is possible that I > >> am typing too many. My suspicion is that Pharo is providing too > >> many. > >> > >> This is how it works: > >> > >> 1) when you type the LEFT side of: { , [ , ( , " , ' etc .... it > will AUTOMATICALLY open the other pair. This is because this is usually the > case: you open the left one, you will probably need to open the right one. > >> > >> 2) when you type the RIGHT side, it only writes the right side. > >> > >> 3) When you remove a left side of the two recently created ( like 1) ) , > just after creating it, it removes both of them: left and right > >> > >> > >> Let me remark something. The style to work with this tool, is not to go > to left, type, then go to right, and type. I mean, suppose I have this > >> > >> Transcript show: 5 timesRepeat: ['something'] > >> > >> and I need to have it like this: > >> > >> > >> Transcript show: (5 timesRepeat: ['something']) > >> > >> the whay to work with Pharo is not: > >> > >> Transcript show: (5 timesRepeat: ['something'] > >> > >> then > >> > >> Transcript show: (5 timesRepeat: ['something']) > >> > >> The idea is that you FIRST select the code you want, and then, you press > the LEFT side of what you want. In that case, you select "5 timesRepeat: > ['something']" and with that selected you press "(" . And the same with all > those characters. > >> > >> It is difficult to explain by chat hahahaha. I think they are very very > useful, but you have to get use to. When I started with Pharo I was still a > java developer..so I was the whole day with Eclipse and then at night with > Pharo...and it was incredible how I was trying to work this way in Eclipse, > in gmail, in TextEdit etc hahahahha > >> > >> Cheers > >> > >> Mariano > >> > >> > >> > >> Ron Jeffries > >> www.XProgramming.com > >> www.xprogramming.com/blog > >> New and stirring things are belittled because if they are not belittled, > >> the humiliating question arises, "Why then are you not taking part in > >> them?" -- H. G. Wells > >> > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> Pharo-users mailing list > >> Pharo-users(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > >> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-users > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> Pharo-users mailing list > >> Pharo-users(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > >> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-users > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Pharo-users mailing list > > Pharo-users(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-users > > > > > > -- > Lukas Renggli > www.lukas-renggli.ch > > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-users mailing list > Pharo-users(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-users >

May 11, 2010

Re: [Pharo-users] ecompletion - smart characters

by Lukas Renggli

See http://code.google.com/p/pharo/issues/detail?id=2407. Lukas On 11 May 2010 10:39, StÃ©phane Ducasse <stephane.ducasse(a)inria.fr> wrote: > mariano > > can you create a page on the book with that? > > Stef > > On May 11, 2010, at 12:18 AM, Mariano Martinez Peck wrote: > >> >> >> On Tue, May 11, 2010 at 12:04 AM, Ron Jeffries <ronjeffries(a)acm.org> wrote: >> Hello, Tudor. Â On Monday, May 10, 2010, at 5:38:07 PM, you wrote: >> >> > If I understood correctly it is about the matching of brackets and >> > quotes. In this regard, the completion behaves exactly like TextMate. >> >> > So, why is this a bug? >> >> How do you manage to type a single quote in TextMate? Does that work >> in Pharo? >> >> >> Good question. But I don't know. This "feature" is from the package Shout that is installed in Pharo dev images. If you take a PharoCore for example, it doesn't happen. >> >> I keep winding up with too many right parens. It is possible that I >> am typing too many. My suspicion is that Pharo is providing too >> many. >> >> This is how it works: >> >> 1) when you type the LEFT side of: Â { , [ Â , ( , " , ' Â Â etc .... it will AUTOMATICALLY open the other pair. This is because this is usually the case: you open the left one, you will probably need to open the right one. >> >> 2) when you type the RIGHT side, it only writes the right side. >> >> 3) When you remove a left side of the two recently created ( like 1) ) , just after creating it, it removes both of them: left and right >> >> >> Let me remark something. The style to work with this tool, is not to go to left, type, then go to right, and type. I mean, suppose I have Â this >> >> Transcript show: 5 timesRepeat: ['something'] >> >> and I need to have it like this: >> >> >> Transcript show: (5 timesRepeat: ['something']) >> >> the whay to work with Pharo is not: >> >> Transcript show: (5 timesRepeat: ['something'] >> >> then >> >> Transcript show: (5 timesRepeat: ['something']) >> >> The idea is that you FIRST select the code you want, and then, you press the LEFT side of what you want. In that case, you select "5 timesRepeat: ['something']" and with that selected you press "(" . And the same with all those characters. >> >> It is difficult to explain by chat hahahaha. I think they are very very useful, but you have to get use to. When I started with Pharo I was still a java developer..so I was the whole day with Eclipse and then at night with Pharo...and it was incredible how I was trying to work this way in Eclipse, in gmail, in TextEdit etc hahahahha >> >> Cheers >> >> Mariano >> >> >> >> Ron Jeffries >> www.XProgramming.com >> www.xprogramming.com/blog >> New and stirring things are belittled because if they are not belittled, >> the humiliating question arises, "Why then are you not taking part in >> them?" Â -- H. G. Wells >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Pharo-users mailing list >> Pharo-users(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr >> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-users >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Pharo-users mailing list >> Pharo-users(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr >> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-users > > > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-users mailing list > Pharo-users(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-users > -- Lukas Renggli www.lukas-renggli.ch

May 11, 2010

Re: [Pharo-users] ecompletion - smart characters

by StÃ©phane Ducasse

mariano can you create a page on the book with that? Stef On May 11, 2010, at 12:18 AM, Mariano Martinez Peck wrote: > > > On Tue, May 11, 2010 at 12:04 AM, Ron Jeffries <ronjeffries(a)acm.org> wrote: > Hello, Tudor. On Monday, May 10, 2010, at 5:38:07 PM, you wrote: > > > If I understood correctly it is about the matching of brackets and > > quotes. In this regard, the completion behaves exactly like TextMate. > > > So, why is this a bug? > > How do you manage to type a single quote in TextMate? Does that work > in Pharo? > > > Good question. But I don't know. This "feature" is from the package Shout that is installed in Pharo dev images. If you take a PharoCore for example, it doesn't happen. > > I keep winding up with too many right parens. It is possible that I > am typing too many. My suspicion is that Pharo is providing too > many. > > This is how it works: > > 1) when you type the LEFT side of: { , [ , ( , " , ' etc .... it will AUTOMATICALLY open the other pair. This is because this is usually the case: you open the left one, you will probably need to open the right one. > > 2) when you type the RIGHT side, it only writes the right side. > > 3) When you remove a left side of the two recently created ( like 1) ) , just after creating it, it removes both of them: left and right > > > Let me remark something. The style to work with this tool, is not to go to left, type, then go to right, and type. I mean, suppose I have this > > Transcript show: 5 timesRepeat: ['something'] > > and I need to have it like this: > > > Transcript show: (5 timesRepeat: ['something']) > > the whay to work with Pharo is not: > > Transcript show: (5 timesRepeat: ['something'] > > then > > Transcript show: (5 timesRepeat: ['something']) > > The idea is that you FIRST select the code you want, and then, you press the LEFT side of what you want. In that case, you select "5 timesRepeat: ['something']" and with that selected you press "(" . And the same with all those characters. > > It is difficult to explain by chat hahahaha. I think they are very very useful, but you have to get use to. When I started with Pharo I was still a java developer..so I was the whole day with Eclipse and then at night with Pharo...and it was incredible how I was trying to work this way in Eclipse, in gmail, in TextEdit etc hahahahha > > Cheers > > Mariano > > > > Ron Jeffries > www.XProgramming.com > www.xprogramming.com/blog > New and stirring things are belittled because if they are not belittled, > the humiliating question arises, "Why then are you not taking part in > them?" -- H. G. Wells > > > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-users mailing list > Pharo-users(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-users > > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-users mailing list > Pharo-users(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-users

May 11, 2010