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Re: [Pharo-users] Getting back the old fonts

by Mariano Martinez Peck

I don't know, can you try evaluating: StrikeFont installDejaVu Maybe Henrik can help you. Cheers Mariano ps: what are you doing wake up at this argentinian time ? ;) On Tue, May 11, 2010 at 9:59 AM, HernÃ¡n Morales Durand < hernan.morales(a)gmail.com> wrote: > Hi Mariano > > 2010/5/11 Mariano Martinez Peck <marianopeck(a)gmail.com>: > > > > > > On Tue, May 11, 2010 at 6:07 AM, HernÃ¡n Morales Durand > > <hernan.morales(a)gmail.com> wrote: > >> > >> Hi all, > >> > >> I would like to get back the old fonts in my Pharo image (please see > >> attachment), any tips or script? > > > > Which are the old ? TrueType ? or what it was before TrueType (what it > is > > in core)? > > > > I don't know their name, they were included by default in PharoCore > 0.1 and earlier 1.0 images (see the attached screenshot). I have a > really slow machine and with those fonts there were a really good > performance. > > HernÃ¡n > > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-users mailing list > Pharo-users(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-users >

May 11, 2010

Re: [Pharo-users] Getting back the old fonts

by HernÃ¡n Morales Durand

Hi Mariano 2010/5/11 Mariano Martinez Peck <marianopeck(a)gmail.com>: > > > On Tue, May 11, 2010 at 6:07 AM, HernÃ¡n Morales Durand > <hernan.morales(a)gmail.com> wrote: >> >> Hi all, >> >> I would like to get back the old fonts in my Pharo image (please see >> attachment), any tips or script? > > Which are the old ?Â Â TrueType ? or what it was before TrueType (what it is > in core)? > I don't know their name, they were included by default in PharoCore 0.1 and earlier 1.0 images (see the attached screenshot). I have a really slow machine and with those fonts there were a really good performance. HernÃ¡n

May 11, 2010

Re: [Pharo-users] Getting back the old fonts

by Mariano Martinez Peck

On Tue, May 11, 2010 at 6:07 AM, HernÃ¡n Morales Durand < hernan.morales(a)gmail.com> wrote: > Hi all, > > I would like to get back the old fonts in my Pharo image (please see > attachment), any tips or script? > Which are the old ? TrueType ? or what it was before TrueType (what it is in core)? To put TrueType again, be sure to have the Dejavu fonts and then evaluate: | font codeFont titleFont | FreeTypeFontProvider current updateFromSystem. font := LogicalFont familyName: 'DejaVu Sans' pointSize: 10. codeFont := LogicalFont familyName: 'DejaVu Sans Mono' pointSize: 9. titleFont := LogicalFont familyName: 'DejaVu Sans' pointSize: 11. Preferences setListFontTo: font; setMenuFontTo: font; setCodeFontTo: codeFont; setButtonFontTo: font; setSystemFontTo: font; setWindowTitleFontTo: titleFont. Now what I don't know is how to come back to the fonts that were in the kernel, I mean, how to disable TrueType fonts. Someone know ? Cheers Mariano Cheers, > > HernÃ¡n > > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-users mailing list > Pharo-users(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-users > >

May 11, 2010

Re: [Pharo-users] ecompletion - smart characters

by Mariano Martinez Peck

http://code.google.com/p/pharo/issues/detail?id=2407 On Tue, May 11, 2010 at 2:20 AM, Daniel Birkinshaw < daniel.birkinshaw(a)googlemail.com> wrote: > FWIW I hate this behaviour also. A number of IDEs do it too (Eclipse, > Netbeans). I always turn this behaviour off because it infuriates me. > > On Mon, May 10, 2010 at 07:04:25PM -0400, Johan Fabry wrote: > > > > It's not a bug, it's just that the default behavior annoys me in that it > is difficult to write a single opening character, and sometimes when you > want to delete one character it deletes 2 of them (especially annoying when > you editing a String with quotes included). > > > > I just would appreciate that the default behavior be something that does > not surprise the user, i.e. turn it off (which is what I usually do on new > images). > > > > On 10 May 2010, at 17:26, Adrian Lienhard wrote: > > > > > Thanks for the report. Please open a ticket and describe what is wrong > and how you would expect it to work: > > > > > > http://code.google.com/p/pharo/issues/entry > > > > > > Patches are also welcome. > > > > > > You can also disable the feature. Open a preference browser and search > for "bracket". > > > > > > Cheers, > > > Adrian > > > > -- > > Johan Fabry > > jfabry(a)dcc.uchile.cl - http://dcc.uchile.cl/~jfabry<http://dcc.uchile.cl/%7Ejfabry> > > PLEIAD Lab - Computer Science Department (DCC) - University of Chile > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Pharo-users mailing list > > Pharo-users(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-users > > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-users mailing list > Pharo-users(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-users >

May 11, 2010

Getting back the old fonts

by HernÃ¡n Morales Durand

Hi all, I would like to get back the old fonts in my Pharo image (please see attachment), any tips or script? Cheers, HernÃ¡n

May 11, 2010

Re: [Pharo-users] ecompletion - smart characters

by Daniel Birkinshaw

FWIW I hate this behaviour also. A number of IDEs do it too (Eclipse, Netbeans). I always turn this behaviour off because it infuriates me. On Mon, May 10, 2010 at 07:04:25PM -0400, Johan Fabry wrote: > > It's not a bug, it's just that the default behavior annoys me in that it is difficult to write a single opening character, and sometimes when you want to delete one character it deletes 2 of them (especially annoying when you editing a String with quotes included). > > I just would appreciate that the default behavior be something that does not surprise the user, i.e. turn it off (which is what I usually do on new images). > > On 10 May 2010, at 17:26, Adrian Lienhard wrote: > > > Thanks for the report. Please open a ticket and describe what is wrong and how you would expect it to work: > > > > http://code.google.com/p/pharo/issues/entry > > > > Patches are also welcome. > > > > You can also disable the feature. Open a preference browser and search for "bracket". > > > > Cheers, > > Adrian > > -- > Johan Fabry > jfabry(a)dcc.uchile.cl - http://dcc.uchile.cl/~jfabry > PLEIAD Lab - Computer Science Department (DCC) - University of Chile > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-users mailing list > Pharo-users(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-users

May 11, 2010

Re: [Pharo-users] ecompletion - smart characters

by Johan Fabry

Nice trick that, I see that it is very useful. But this is not made obvious to the user, so another 'surprising' behavior, i.e. not nice. Another alternative: would it be possible to have an open workspace in the default image that documents these ecompletion behaviors (with the possibility to turn it off by a DoIt)? On 10 May 2010, at 18:18, Mariano Martinez Peck wrote: > The idea is that you FIRST select the code you want, and then, you press the LEFT side of what you want. In that case, you select "5 timesRepeat: ['something']" and with that selected you press "(" . And the same with all those characters. -- Johan Fabry jfabry(a)dcc.uchile.cl - http://dcc.uchile.cl/~jfabry PLEIAD Lab - Computer Science Department (DCC) - University of Chile

May 10, 2010

Re: [Pharo-users] ecompletion - smart characters

by Johan Fabry

It's not a bug, it's just that the default behavior annoys me in that it is difficult to write a single opening character, and sometimes when you want to delete one character it deletes 2 of them (especially annoying when you editing a String with quotes included). I just would appreciate that the default behavior be something that does not surprise the user, i.e. turn it off (which is what I usually do on new images). On 10 May 2010, at 17:26, Adrian Lienhard wrote: > Thanks for the report. Please open a ticket and describe what is wrong and how you would expect it to work: > > http://code.google.com/p/pharo/issues/entry > > Patches are also welcome. > > You can also disable the feature. Open a preference browser and search for "bracket". > > Cheers, > Adrian -- Johan Fabry jfabry(a)dcc.uchile.cl - http://dcc.uchile.cl/~jfabry PLEIAD Lab - Computer Science Department (DCC) - University of Chile

May 10, 2010

Re: [Pharo-users] ecompletion - smart characters

by Johan Fabry

On 10 May 2010, at 18:36, Tudor Girba wrote: > Hi, > > How to type a single item: > - Type " => "" > - Press DEL => " Ah yes, something simple enough for me to get used to. I will try that and see how annoyed I get :-) > There is indeed an improvement that could be made. In TextMate once you move the cursor, the deletion of a start character trigger no longer deletes the other one. That could indeed be useful in Pharo as well. This is an excellent idea! -- Johan Fabry jfabry(a)dcc.uchile.cl - http://dcc.uchile.cl/~jfabry PLEIAD Lab - Computer Science Department (DCC) - University of Chile

May 10, 2010

Re: [Pharo-users] ecompletion - smart characters

by Tudor Girba

Hi, How to type a single item: - Type " => "" - Press DEL => " There is indeed an improvement that could be made. In TextMate once you move the cursor, the deletion of a start character trigger no longer deletes the other one. That could indeed be useful in Pharo as well. Cheers, Doru On 11 May 2010, at 00:33, Carla F. Griggio wrote: > It may feel annoying at first, but it gets really confortable in > (little) time. Selecting text and "surround" it with a pair of > brackets/quotes/etc. is just great. The feuture that is bothering > you really helps to type quicker and cleaner once you get used to it. > > Maybe... there could be some kind of shortcut to write just the > opening bracket/quote/whatever without it's closing pair? > > For example, if I press Shift+8 I get (). > But if I press Alt+Shift+8 I could get just (. > > Do you think that could be more confortable to avoid deleting the > closing character? > > On Mon, May 10, 2010 at 7:18 PM, Mariano Martinez Peck <marianopeck(a)gmail.com > > wrote: > > > On Tue, May 11, 2010 at 12:04 AM, Ron Jeffries <ronjeffries(a)acm.org> > wrote: > Hello, Tudor. On Monday, May 10, 2010, at 5:38:07 PM, you wrote: > > > If I understood correctly it is about the matching of brackets and > > quotes. In this regard, the completion behaves exactly like > TextMate. > > > So, why is this a bug? > > How do you manage to type a single quote in TextMate? Does that work > in Pharo? > > > Good question. But I don't know. This "feature" is from the package > Shout that is installed in Pharo dev images. If you take a PharoCore > for example, it doesn't happen. > > I keep winding up with too many right parens. It is possible that I > am typing too many. My suspicion is that Pharo is providing too > many. > > This is how it works: > > 1) when you type the LEFT side of: { , [ , ( , " , ' etc .... > it will AUTOMATICALLY open the other pair. This is because this is > usually the case: you open the left one, you will probably need to > open the right one. > > 2) when you type the RIGHT side, it only writes the right side. > > 3) When you remove a left side of the two recently created ( like > 1) ) , just after creating it, it removes both of them: left and right > > > Let me remark something. The style to work with this tool, is not to > go to left, type, then go to right, and type. I mean, suppose I > have this > > Transcript show: 5 timesRepeat: ['something'] > > and I need to have it like this: > > > Transcript show: (5 timesRepeat: ['something']) > > the whay to work with Pharo is not: > > Transcript show: (5 timesRepeat: ['something'] > > then > > Transcript show: (5 timesRepeat: ['something']) > > The idea is that you FIRST select the code you want, and then, you > press the LEFT side of what you want. In that case, you select "5 > timesRepeat: ['something']" and with that selected you press "(" . > And the same with all those characters. > > It is difficult to explain by chat hahahaha. I think they are very > very useful, but you have to get use to. When I started with Pharo I > was still a java developer..so I was the whole day with Eclipse and > then at night with Pharo...and it was incredible how I was trying to > work this way in Eclipse, in gmail, in TextEdit etc hahahahha > > Cheers > > Mariano > > > > Ron Jeffries > www.XProgramming.com > www.xprogramming.com/blog > New and stirring things are belittled because if they are not > belittled, > the humiliating question arises, "Why then are you not taking part in > them?" -- H. G. Wells > > > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-users mailing list > Pharo-users(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-users > > > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-users mailing list > Pharo-users(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-users > > > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-users mailing list > Pharo-users(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-users -- www.tudorgirba.com "Relationships are of two kinds: those we choose and those that happen. They both matter."

May 10, 2010

Re: [Pharo-users] ecompletion - smart characters

by Carla F. Griggio

It may feel annoying at first, but it gets really confortable in (little) time. Selecting text and "surround" it with a pair of brackets/quotes/etc. is just great. The feuture that is bothering you really helps to type quicker and cleaner once you get used to it. Maybe... there could be some kind of shortcut to write just the opening bracket/quote/whatever without it's closing pair? For example, if I press *Shift+8* I get *()*. But if I press *Alt+Shift+8* I could get just *(*. Do you think that could be more confortable to avoid deleting the closing character? On Mon, May 10, 2010 at 7:18 PM, Mariano Martinez Peck < marianopeck(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > On Tue, May 11, 2010 at 12:04 AM, Ron Jeffries <ronjeffries(a)acm.org>wrote: > >> Hello, Tudor. On Monday, May 10, 2010, at 5:38:07 PM, you wrote: >> >> > If I understood correctly it is about the matching of brackets and >> > quotes. In this regard, the completion behaves exactly like TextMate. >> >> > So, why is this a bug? >> >> How do you manage to type a single quote in TextMate? Does that work >> in Pharo? >> >> > Good question. But I don't know. This "feature" is from the package Shout > that is installed in Pharo dev images. If you take a PharoCore for example, > it doesn't happen. > > >> I keep winding up with too many right parens. It is possible that I >> am typing too many. My suspicion is that Pharo is providing too >> many. >> > > This is how it works: > > 1) when you type the LEFT side of: { , [ , ( , " , ' etc .... it will > AUTOMATICALLY open the other pair. This is because this is usually the case: > you open the left one, you will probably need to open the right one. > > 2) when you type the RIGHT side, it only writes the right side. > > 3) When you remove a left side of the two recently created ( like 1) ) , > just after creating it, it removes both of them: left and right > > > Let me remark something. The style to work with this tool, is not to go to > left, type, then go to right, and type. I mean, suppose I have this > > Transcript show: 5 timesRepeat: ['something'] > > and I need to have it like this: > > > Transcript show: (5 timesRepeat: ['something']) > > the whay to work with Pharo is not: > > Transcript show: (5 timesRepeat: ['something'] > > then > > Transcript show: (5 timesRepeat: ['something']) > > The idea is that you FIRST select the code you want, and then, you press > the LEFT side of what you want. In that case, you select "5 timesRepeat: > ['something']" and with that selected you press "(" . And the same with all > those characters. > > It is difficult to explain by chat hahahaha. I think they are very very > useful, but you have to get use to. When I started with Pharo I was still a > java developer..so I was the whole day with Eclipse and then at night with > Pharo...and it was incredible how I was trying to work this way in Eclipse, > in gmail, in TextEdit etc hahahahha > > Cheers > > Mariano > > > >> >> Ron Jeffries >> www.XProgramming.com >> www.xprogramming.com/blog >> New and stirring things are belittled because if they are not belittled, >> the humiliating question arises, "Why then are you not taking part in >> them?" -- H. G. Wells >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Pharo-users mailing list >> Pharo-users(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr >> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-users >> > > > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-users mailing list > Pharo-users(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-users > >

May 10, 2010

Re: [Pharo-users] ecompletion - smart characters

by Mariano Martinez Peck

On Tue, May 11, 2010 at 12:04 AM, Ron Jeffries <ronjeffries(a)acm.org> wrote: > Hello, Tudor. On Monday, May 10, 2010, at 5:38:07 PM, you wrote: > > > If I understood correctly it is about the matching of brackets and > > quotes. In this regard, the completion behaves exactly like TextMate. > > > So, why is this a bug? > > How do you manage to type a single quote in TextMate? Does that work > in Pharo? > > Good question. But I don't know. This "feature" is from the package Shout that is installed in Pharo dev images. If you take a PharoCore for example, it doesn't happen. > I keep winding up with too many right parens. It is possible that I > am typing too many. My suspicion is that Pharo is providing too > many. > This is how it works: 1) when you type the LEFT side of: { , [ , ( , " , ' etc .... it will AUTOMATICALLY open the other pair. This is because this is usually the case: you open the left one, you will probably need to open the right one. 2) when you type the RIGHT side, it only writes the right side. 3) When you remove a left side of the two recently created ( like 1) ) , just after creating it, it removes both of them: left and right Let me remark something. The style to work with this tool, is not to go to left, type, then go to right, and type. I mean, suppose I have this Transcript show: 5 timesRepeat: ['something'] and I need to have it like this: Transcript show: (5 timesRepeat: ['something']) the whay to work with Pharo is not: Transcript show: (5 timesRepeat: ['something'] then Transcript show: (5 timesRepeat: ['something']) The idea is that you FIRST select the code you want, and then, you press the LEFT side of what you want. In that case, you select "5 timesRepeat: ['something']" and with that selected you press "(" . And the same with all those characters. It is difficult to explain by chat hahahaha. I think they are very very useful, but you have to get use to. When I started with Pharo I was still a java developer..so I was the whole day with Eclipse and then at night with Pharo...and it was incredible how I was trying to work this way in Eclipse, in gmail, in TextEdit etc hahahahha Cheers Mariano > > Ron Jeffries > www.XProgramming.com > www.xprogramming.com/blog > New and stirring things are belittled because if they are not belittled, > the humiliating question arises, "Why then are you not taking part in > them?" -- H. G. Wells > > > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-users mailing list > Pharo-users(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-users >

May 10, 2010

Re: [Pharo-users] ecompletion - smart characters

by Ron Jeffries

Hello, Tudor. On Monday, May 10, 2010, at 5:38:07 PM, you wrote: > If I understood correctly it is about the matching of brackets and > quotes. In this regard, the completion behaves exactly like TextMate. > So, why is this a bug? How do you manage to type a single quote in TextMate? Does that work in Pharo? I keep winding up with too many right parens. It is possible that I am typing too many. My suspicion is that Pharo is providing too many. Ron Jeffries www.XProgramming.com www.xprogramming.com/blog New and stirring things are belittled because if they are not belittled, the humiliating question arises, "Why then are you not taking part in them?" -- H. G. Wells

May 10, 2010

Re: [Pharo-users] ecompletion - smart characters

by Tudor Girba

If I understood correctly it is about the matching of brackets and quotes. In this regard, the completion behaves exactly like TextMate. So, why is this a bug? Doru On 10 May 2010, at 23:26, Adrian Lienhard wrote: > Thanks for the report. Please open a ticket and describe what is > wrong and how you would expect it to work: > > http://code.google.com/p/pharo/issues/entry > > Patches are also welcome. > > You can also disable the feature. Open a preference browser and > search for "bracket". > > Cheers, > Adrian > > On May 10, 2010, at 22:58 , Johan Fabry wrote: > >> I am very annoyed. >> >> Please turn this OFF by default. It is for me the most !@#$%^ way >> auto bracket typing is implemented. There is no obvious way to type >> a single ' or [ or ... I type it once, I get two. I delete one of >> them, the other also dissapears. Aaargh! >> >> -- >> Johan Fabry >> jfabry(a)dcc.uchile.cl - http://dcc.uchile.cl/~jfabry >> PLEIAD Lab - Computer Science Department (DCC) - University of Chile >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Pharo-users mailing list >> Pharo-users(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr >> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-users > > > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-users mailing list > Pharo-users(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-users -- www.tudorgirba.com "Problem solving should be concentrated on describing the problem in a way that is relevant for the solution."

May 10, 2010

Re: [Pharo-users] ecompletion - smart characters

by Adrian Lienhard

Thanks for the report. Please open a ticket and describe what is wrong and how you would expect it to work: http://code.google.com/p/pharo/issues/entry Patches are also welcome. You can also disable the feature. Open a preference browser and search for "bracket". Cheers, Adrian On May 10, 2010, at 22:58 , Johan Fabry wrote: > I am very annoyed. > > Please turn this OFF by default. It is for me the most !@#$%^ way auto bracket typing is implemented. There is no obvious way to type a single ' or [ or ... I type it once, I get two. I delete one of them, the other also dissapears. Aaargh! > > -- > Johan Fabry > jfabry(a)dcc.uchile.cl - http://dcc.uchile.cl/~jfabry > PLEIAD Lab - Computer Science Department (DCC) - University of Chile > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-users mailing list > Pharo-users(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-users

May 10, 2010

Re: [Pharo-users] ecompletion - smart characters

by Tudor Girba

Delete the last one :) Doru On 10 May 2010, at 22:58, Johan Fabry wrote: > I am very annoyed. > > Please turn this OFF by default. It is for me the most !@#$%^ way > auto bracket typing is implemented. There is no obvious way to type > a single ' or [ or ... I type it once, I get two. I delete one of > them, the other also dissapears. Aaargh! > > -- > Johan Fabry > jfabry(a)dcc.uchile.cl - http://dcc.uchile.cl/~jfabry > PLEIAD Lab - Computer Science Department (DCC) - University of Chile > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-users mailing list > Pharo-users(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-users -- www.tudorgirba.com "No matter how many recipes we know, we still value a chef."

May 10, 2010

ecompletion - smart characters

by Johan Fabry

I am very annoyed. Please turn this OFF by default. It is for me the most !@#$%^ way auto bracket typing is implemented. There is no obvious way to type a single ' or [ or ... I type it once, I get two. I delete one of them, the other also dissapears. Aaargh! -- Johan Fabry jfabry(a)dcc.uchile.cl - http://dcc.uchile.cl/~jfabry PLEIAD Lab - Computer Science Department (DCC) - University of Chile

May 10, 2010

Re: [Pharo-users] Resolving some dependencies...

by StÃ©phane Ducasse

ExtraMorphs? On May 10, 2010, at 5:15 PM, Mariano Martinez Peck wrote: > > > On Mon, May 10, 2010 at 5:09 PM, Carla F. Griggio <carla.griggio(a)gmail.com> wrote: > Uff, then... I'll have to do some work over this :) > > About MorphicExtras, if you say it's a lot of crap, I trust you. > > me too. > > But the name of ConfigurationOfPharoMorphicExtras suggests that it will load MorphicExtras (at least for me, because I had the package name 'Morphic Extras' stucked in my head when I found the metacello configuration) :$ So that might be a little confusing. > > That's exactly why I asked. Stef, Carla, do you have a better name for such configuration ? > > Cheers > > Mariano > > > > Thanks! > > Carla > > > On Mon, May 10, 2010 at 8:03 AM, StÃ©phane Ducasse <stephane.ducasse(a)inria.fr> wrote: > > > > > > > > PS: When I used ConfigurationOfPharoMorphicExtras, it loaded some Morphic packages but not the MorphicExtras package itself, I had to load it manually later. Is that OK? > > > > Yes because MorphicExtras-StephaneDucasse.144 is a dead package. It is full of crap or experimental code. > > > > > > > > > But anyway, I think she is right. > > she is not > > > The package MorphicExtras should be loaded, together with MorphExamplesAndDemos and LED, shouldn't it ? > > No it should NOT! > Check the classes in there and you will see that you do NOT want that in your image. :) > What I did was to extract the MorphExampleAndDemos where I cleaned the code made sure that the xamples > are working...... > > So MorphicExtras should just be there so that people can extract something that they would like to repackage. Period. > > > > > Cheers > > > > mariano > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Pharo-users mailing list > > > Pharo-users(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > > > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-users > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Pharo-users mailing list > > Pharo-users(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-users > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Pharo-users mailing list > > Pharo-users(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-users > > > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-users mailing list > Pharo-users(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-users > > > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-users mailing list > Pharo-users(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-users > > > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-users mailing list > Pharo-users(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-users

May 10, 2010

Re: [Pharo-users] Resolving some dependencies...

by Mariano Martinez Peck

On Mon, May 10, 2010 at 5:09 PM, Carla F. Griggio <carla.griggio(a)gmail.com>wrote: > Uff, then... I'll have to do some work over this :) > > About MorphicExtras, if you say it's a lot of crap, I trust you. me too. > But the name of ConfigurationOfPharoMorphicExtras suggests that it will > load MorphicExtras (at least for me, because I had the package name 'Morphic > Extras' stucked in my head when I found the metacello configuration) :$ So > that might be a little confusing. > That's exactly why I asked. Stef, Carla, do you have a better name for such configuration ? Cheers Mariano > Thanks! > > Carla > > > On Mon, May 10, 2010 at 8:03 AM, StÃ©phane Ducasse < > stephane.ducasse(a)inria.fr> wrote: > >> > >> > > >> > > PS: When I used ConfigurationOfPharoMorphicExtras, it loaded some >> Morphic packages but not the MorphicExtras package itself, I had to load it >> manually later. Is that OK? >> > >> > Yes because MorphicExtras-StephaneDucasse.144 is a dead package. It is >> full of crap or experimental code. >> >> >> >> > >> > >> > But anyway, I think she is right. >> >> she is not >> >> > The package MorphicExtras should be loaded, together with >> MorphExamplesAndDemos and LED, shouldn't it ? >> >> No it should NOT! >> Check the classes in there and you will see that you do NOT want that in >> your image. :) >> What I did was to extract the MorphExampleAndDemos where I cleaned the >> code made sure that the xamples >> are working...... >> >> So MorphicExtras should just be there so that people can extract something >> that they would like to repackage. Period. >> >> > >> > Cheers >> > >> > mariano >> > >> > >> > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > _______________________________________________ >> > > Pharo-users mailing list >> > > Pharo-users(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr >> > > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-users >> > >> > >> > _______________________________________________ >> > Pharo-users mailing list >> > Pharo-users(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr >> > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-users >> > >> > _______________________________________________ >> > Pharo-users mailing list >> > Pharo-users(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr >> > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-users >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Pharo-users mailing list >> Pharo-users(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr >> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-users >> > > > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-users mailing list > Pharo-users(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-users > >

May 10, 2010

Re: [Pharo-users] Resolving some dependencies...

by Carla F. Griggio

Uff, then... I'll have to do some work over this :) About MorphicExtras, if you say it's a lot of crap, I trust you. But the name of ConfigurationOfPharoMorphicExtras suggests that it will load MorphicExtras (at least for me, because I had the package name 'Morphic Extras' stucked in my head when I found the metacello configuration) :$ So that might be a little confusing. Thanks! Carla On Mon, May 10, 2010 at 8:03 AM, StÃ©phane Ducasse <stephane.ducasse(a)inria.fr > wrote: > > > > > > > > PS: When I used ConfigurationOfPharoMorphicExtras, it loaded some > Morphic packages but not the MorphicExtras package itself, I had to load it > manually later. Is that OK? > > > > Yes because MorphicExtras-StephaneDucasse.144 is a dead package. It is > full of crap or experimental code. > > > > > > > > > But anyway, I think she is right. > > she is not > > > The package MorphicExtras should be loaded, together with > MorphExamplesAndDemos and LED, shouldn't it ? > > No it should NOT! > Check the classes in there and you will see that you do NOT want that in > your image. :) > What I did was to extract the MorphExampleAndDemos where I cleaned the code > made sure that the xamples > are working...... > > So MorphicExtras should just be there so that people can extract something > that they would like to repackage. Period. > > > > > Cheers > > > > mariano > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Pharo-users mailing list > > > Pharo-users(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > > > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-users > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Pharo-users mailing list > > Pharo-users(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-users > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Pharo-users mailing list > > Pharo-users(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-users > > > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-users mailing list > Pharo-users(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-users >

May 10, 2010

Re: [Pharo-users] I'm new

by StÃ©phane Ducasse

Welcome on board, to help you can - check that a reported bug is really a bug - report bugs - add class comments - read and review tests (some of them may not make sense) - check if existing packages like HTMLParser or other are working on pharo... Stef On May 9, 2010, at 10:52 PM, Deathiop.dev wrote: > Hello everybody, > > I'm a recent Pharo user and I think it's pretty good. > So I really want to help. I went on the bug tracker but it seems difficult for me to resolve this kind of issues for the moment. > > This brings me to a really simple question: How can I help ? > > Regard, > Deathiop. _______________________________________________ > Pharo-users mailing list > Pharo-users(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-users

May 10, 2010

Re: [Pharo-users] Resolving some dependencies...

by StÃ©phane Ducasse

> > > > > PS: When I used ConfigurationOfPharoMorphicExtras, it loaded some Morphic packages but not the MorphicExtras package itself, I had to load it manually later. Is that OK? > > Yes because MorphicExtras-StephaneDucasse.144 is a dead package. It is full of crap or experimental code. > > > But anyway, I think she is right. she is not > The package MorphicExtras should be loaded, together with MorphExamplesAndDemos and LED, shouldn't it ? No it should NOT! Check the classes in there and you will see that you do NOT want that in your image. :) What I did was to extract the MorphExampleAndDemos where I cleaned the code made sure that the xamples are working...... So MorphicExtras should just be there so that people can extract something that they would like to repackage. Period. > > Cheers > > mariano > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Pharo-users mailing list > > Pharo-users(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-users > > > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-users mailing list > Pharo-users(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-users > > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-users mailing list > Pharo-users(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-users

May 10, 2010

Re: [Pharo-users] Resolving some dependencies...

by Mariano Martinez Peck

On Mon, May 10, 2010 at 8:21 AM, StÃ©phane Ducasse <stephane.ducasse(a)inria.fr > wrote: > > On May 10, 2010, at 8:05 AM, Carla F. Griggio wrote: > > > Hi everyone! > > > > I'm trying to load a sar archive for Connectors into Pharo and I need to > resolve some dependencies in order to do that. In other words, I want to > port Connectors from Squeak to Pharo. > > you mean a subset. :) > Fernando olivero mentioned that he started a port > > Yes. I was going to send you the link but I saw Carla already answered there....so I guess she is aware of that. > > > > > PS: When I used ConfigurationOfPharoMorphicExtras, it loaded some Morphic > packages but not the MorphicExtras package itself, I had to load it > manually later. Is that OK? > > Yes because MorphicExtras-StephaneDucasse.144 is a dead package. It is full > of crap or experimental code. > > But anyway, I think she is right. The package MorphicExtras should be loaded, together with MorphExamplesAndDemos and LED, shouldn't it ? Cheers mariano > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Pharo-users mailing list > > Pharo-users(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-users > > > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-users mailing list > Pharo-users(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-users >

May 10, 2010

Re: [Pharo-users] I'm new

by laurent laffont

On Sun, May 9, 2010 at 10:52 PM, Deathiop.dev <deathiop.dev(a)gmail.com>wrote: > Hello everybody, > > I'm a recent Pharo user and I think it's pretty good. > So I really want to help. I went on the bug tracker but it seems difficult > for me to resolve this kind of issues for the moment. > > This brings me to a really simple question: How can I help ? > Hi, for me a good way to learn as an hobbyist is to contribute to documentation. You can write for HelpSystem. Contribute to pharocasts :) http://pharocasts.blogspot.com/ or write some stuff on the collaborative book http://book.pharo-project.org/ An easy way to help is also to write/maintain Metacello configurations for working packages. http://www.squeaksource.com/MetacelloRepository Cheers, Laurent Laffont > > Regard, > Deathiop. > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-users mailing list > Pharo-users(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-users > >

May 10, 2010

Re: [Pharo-users] Using FFI to call a MacOs System function

by David Wilson

Hi Mariano Thanks for the tips. I haven't had time to follow these up, I should do in the next few days, and I'll post a reply in the forum. Thanks David On 05 May, 2010, at 23:15, Mariano Martinez Peck wrote: BTW....keyboards seems to be a .h (a header) , but not a library...at least in my mac Do you have also the library ? I am still newbie with the Mac OS :( Cheers mariano On Wed, May 5, 2010 at 11:10 PM, Mariano Martinez Peck <marianopeck(a)gmail.com> wrote: On Tue, May 4, 2010 at 4:46 PM, David Wilson <djwilson(a)bluewin.ch> wrote: Hi I'm new to Pharo (although I was a Smalltalk programmer in the 90's), and I'm trying to use FFI to access an MacOs system function: Hi and welcome! apiKLGetKeyboardLayoutCount < cdecl: ulong 'KLGetKeyboardLayoutCount' (void) module: 'keyboards'> ^ self externalCallFailed. I get an error "'Unable to find function address'" which seems to say the OS-module "keyboards" can't be found. Exactly. That's the problem. I can't figure out what the address should be. The function is defined here: http://developer.apple.com/legacy/mac/ library/documentation/Carbon/Reference/KeyboardLayoutServices/ Reference/reference.html (yes, it's deprecated, I have a very old mac runnning 10.4). But you see the library in your computer, isn't it ? I mean, it is there, but FFI doesn't find it ? I'm not sure if I'm using FFI correctly, do I have to somehow include the external library in the Pharo VM? No, you shouldn't need to do that. However, you can try to put them there just to see if that's the problem. I think that at some point (depends on an order) the library is searched in the same place where you are calling from. So, yes, do a test, but just a test. It should work without doing that. How did you install FFI ? Which Pharo VM and image versions are you using ? Can anyone help? I would like too, but I don't have such library. I developed a wrapper for a Clibrary called OpenDBX using FFI. In our website, some people experimented similar problems. Please take a look to the title "Problems with Mac OS:" of the following link: http://www.squeakdbx.org/Compiling%20and%20installing%20OpenDBX I also cc'ed people that can help you. Cheers Mariano I'm looked for FFI examples, but don't find anything helpful. David _______________________________________________ Pharo-users mailing list Pharo-users(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-users _______________________________________________ Pharo-users mailing list Pharo-users(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-users

May 10, 2010