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Re: [Pharo-users] Using FFI to call a MacOs System function

by Mariano Martinez Peck

On Sat, May 15, 2010 at 8:42 PM, David Wilson <djwilson(a)bluewin.ch> wrote: > Hi Mariano > > I now see that my solution (yesterday) was a hack. > hahhaha I though that when I read it ;) But as I don't know how it is, I didn't say anything. > John Macintosh' post ( > http://forum.world.st/Re-Pharo-users-Using-FFI-to-call-a-MacOs-System-funct…) > shows how to do this properly. > If I do something with this (ie gain real experience) then I'll look at > working on the documentation. > > Excellent! > Cheers > > David > > > On 14 May, 2010, at 20:16, Mariano Martinez Peck wrote: > > > >> Let us know your progress. Now...would you like to help us and document >> all this in http://book.seaside.st/ ? >> > > > Sorry I mean http://book.pharo-project.org/ ;) too many books > > > > >> We need to write all this down. Image the poor guy that comes after >> you...imagine if someone already had this problem and you would have found >> such info...wouldn't that be cool ? Don't worry for the English neither to >> the text. It doesn't need to be perfect. This is continuous...we first >> write, and then the community will give feedback, correct it, complete it, >> etc... >> >> If you want to join, please let us know and we generate a user for you. >> >> Cheers >> >> Mariano >> >> Cheers >>> >>> David >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> On 05 May, 2010, at 23:15, Mariano Martinez Peck wrote: >>> >>> BTW....keyboards seems to be a .h (a header) , but not a library...at >>> least in my mac >>> >>> Do you have also the library ? I am still newbie with the Mac OS :( >>> >>> Cheers >>> >>> mariano >>> >>> On Wed, May 5, 2010 at 11:10 PM, Mariano Martinez Peck < >>> marianopeck(a)gmail.com> wrote: >>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On Tue, May 4, 2010 at 4:46 PM, David Wilson <djwilson(a)bluewin.ch>wrote: >>>> >>>>> Hi >>>>> >>>>> I'm new to Pharo (although I was a Smalltalk programmer in the 90's), >>>>> and I'm trying to use FFI to access an MacOs system function: >>>>> >>>>> >>>> Hi and welcome! >>>> >>>> >>>>> apiKLGetKeyboardLayoutCount >>>>> < cdecl: ulong 'KLGetKeyboardLayoutCount' (void) module: >>>>> 'keyboards'> >>>>> ^ self externalCallFailed. >>>>> >>>>> I get an error "'Unable to find function address'" which seems to say >>>>> the OS-module "keyboards" can't be found. >>>>> >>>> >>>> Exactly. That's the problem. >>>> >>>> >>>>> I can't figure out what the address should be. >>>>> The function is defined here: >>>>> http://developer.apple.com/legacy/mac/library/documentation/Carbon/Referenc… >>>>> (yes, it's deprecated, I have a very old mac runnning 10.4). >>>>> >>>>> >>>> But you see the library in your computer, isn't it ? I mean, it is >>>> there, but FFI doesn't find it ? >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> I'm not sure if I'm using FFI correctly, do I have to somehow include >>>>> the external library in the Pharo VM? >>>>> >>>> >>>> No, you shouldn't need to do that. However, you can try to put them >>>> there just to see if that's the problem. I think that at some point (depends >>>> on an order) the library is searched in the same place where you are calling >>>> from. So, yes, do a test, but just a test. It should work without doing >>>> that. >>>> >>>> How did you install FFI ? Which Pharo VM and image versions are you >>>> using ? >>>> >>>> Can anyone help? >>>>> >>>>> >>>> I would like too, but I don't have such library. >>>> >>>> I developed a wrapper for a Clibrary called OpenDBX using FFI. In our >>>> website, some people experimented similar problems. >>>> Please take a look to the title "Problems with Mac OS:" of the >>>> following link: >>>> >>>> http://www.squeakdbx.org/Compiling%20and%20installing%20OpenDBX >>>> >>>> I also cc'ed people that can help you. >>>> >>>> Cheers >>>> >>>> Mariano >>>> >>>> >>>> I'm looked for FFI examples, but don't find anything helpful. >>>>> >>>>> David >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> Pharo-users mailing list >>>>> Pharo-users(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr >>>>> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-users >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Pharo-users mailing list >>> Pharo-users(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr >>> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-users >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Pharo-users mailing list >>> Pharo-users(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr >>> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-users >>> >>> >> > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-users mailing list > Pharo-users(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-users > > > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-users mailing list > Pharo-users(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-users > >

May 15, 2010

Re: [Pharo-users] Using FFI to call a MacOs System function

by David Wilson

Hi Mariano I now see that my solution (yesterday) was a hack. John Macintosh' post (http://forum.world.st/Re-Pharo-users-Using-FFI- to-call-a-MacOs-System-function-tt2131691.html#a2217998) shows how to do this properly. If I do something with this (ie gain real experience) then I'll look at working on the documentation. Cheers David On 14 May, 2010, at 20:16, Mariano Martinez Peck wrote: Let us know your progress. Now...would you like to help us and document all this in http://book.seaside.st/ ? Sorry I mean http://book.pharo-project.org/ ;) too many books We need to write all this down. Image the poor guy that comes after you...imagine if someone already had this problem and you would have found such info...wouldn't that be cool ? Don't worry for the English neither to the text. It doesn't need to be perfect. This is continuous...we first write, and then the community will give feedback, correct it, complete it, etc... If you want to join, please let us know and we generate a user for you. Cheers Mariano Cheers David On 05 May, 2010, at 23:15, Mariano Martinez Peck wrote: BTW....keyboards seems to be a .h (a header) , but not a library...at least in my mac Do you have also the library ? I am still newbie with the Mac OS :( Cheers mariano On Wed, May 5, 2010 at 11:10 PM, Mariano Martinez Peck <marianopeck(a)gmail.com> wrote: On Tue, May 4, 2010 at 4:46 PM, David Wilson <djwilson(a)bluewin.ch> wrote: Hi I'm new to Pharo (although I was a Smalltalk programmer in the 90's), and I'm trying to use FFI to access an MacOs system function: Hi and welcome! apiKLGetKeyboardLayoutCount < cdecl: ulong 'KLGetKeyboardLayoutCount' (void) module: 'keyboards'> ^ self externalCallFailed. I get an error "'Unable to find function address'" which seems to say the OS-module "keyboards" can't be found. Exactly. That's the problem. I can't figure out what the address should be. The function is defined here: http://developer.apple.com/legacy/mac/ library/documentation/Carbon/Reference/KeyboardLayoutServices/ Reference/reference.html (yes, it's deprecated, I have a very old mac runnning 10.4). But you see the library in your computer, isn't it ? I mean, it is there, but FFI doesn't find it ? I'm not sure if I'm using FFI correctly, do I have to somehow include the external library in the Pharo VM? No, you shouldn't need to do that. However, you can try to put them there just to see if that's the problem. I think that at some point (depends on an order) the library is searched in the same place where you are calling from. So, yes, do a test, but just a test. It should work without doing that. How did you install FFI ? Which Pharo VM and image versions are you using ? Can anyone help? I would like too, but I don't have such library. I developed a wrapper for a Clibrary called OpenDBX using FFI. In our website, some people experimented similar problems. Please take a look to the title "Problems with Mac OS:" of the following link: http://www.squeakdbx.org/Compiling%20and%20installing%20OpenDBX I also cc'ed people that can help you. Cheers Mariano I'm looked for FFI examples, but don't find anything helpful. David _______________________________________________ Pharo-users mailing list Pharo-users(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-users _______________________________________________ Pharo-users mailing list Pharo-users(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-users _______________________________________________ Pharo-users mailing list Pharo-users(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-users _______________________________________________ Pharo-users mailing list Pharo-users(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-users

May 15, 2010

Re: [Pharo-users] Resolving some dependencies...

by Mariano Martinez Peck

Done. Check http://www.squeaksource.com/PharoMorphicExtras.html On Wed, May 12, 2010 at 10:08 PM, StÃ©phane Ducasse < stephane.ducasse(a)inria.fr> wrote: > We should edit the project wiki to say that and also the status to private > so that PharoMorphicExtras is just > there for archival purposes. > > Setf > > On May 12, 2010, at 5:18 PM, Mariano Martinez Peck wrote: > > > Carla: some time ago with stef we moved the working packages form > http://www.squeaksource.com/PharoMorphicExtras to > > > > http://www.squeaksource.com/PharoNonCorePackages > > > > As you can see in PharoNonCorePackages it is no more MorphicExtras. > > In addition, we did ConfigurationOfPharoMorphicExtras > > > > So please, from nowon, use that repository. And in case of changing > something, commit it there, as the next dev images will use > PharoNonCorePackages and not PharoMorphicExtras. > > > > Cheers > > > > Mariano > > > > > > On Mon, May 10, 2010 at 7:15 PM, StÃ©phane Ducasse < > stephane.ducasse(a)inria.fr> wrote: > > ExtraMorphs? > > On May 10, 2010, at 5:15 PM, Mariano Martinez Peck wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > On Mon, May 10, 2010 at 5:09 PM, Carla F. Griggio < > carla.griggio(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > Uff, then... I'll have to do some work over this :) > > > > > > About MorphicExtras, if you say it's a lot of crap, I trust you. > > > > > > me too. > > > > > > But the name of ConfigurationOfPharoMorphicExtras suggests that it will > load MorphicExtras (at least for me, because I had the package name 'Morphic > Extras' stucked in my head when I found the metacello configuration) :$ So > that might be a little confusing. > > > > > > That's exactly why I asked. Stef, Carla, do you have a better name for > such configuration ? > > > > > > Cheers > > > > > > Mariano > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks! > > > > > > Carla > > > > > > > > > On Mon, May 10, 2010 at 8:03 AM, StÃ©phane Ducasse < > stephane.ducasse(a)inria.fr> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > PS: When I used ConfigurationOfPharoMorphicExtras, it loaded some > Morphic packages but not the MorphicExtras package itself, I had to load it > manually later. Is that OK? > > > > > > > > Yes because MorphicExtras-StephaneDucasse.144 is a dead package. It > is full of crap or experimental code. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > But anyway, I think she is right. > > > > > > she is not > > > > > > > The package MorphicExtras should be loaded, together with > MorphExamplesAndDemos and LED, shouldn't it ? > > > > > > No it should NOT! > > > Check the classes in there and you will see that you do NOT want that > in your image. :) > > > What I did was to extract the MorphExampleAndDemos where I cleaned the > code made sure that the xamples > > > are working...... > > > > > > So MorphicExtras should just be there so that people can extract > something that they would like to repackage. Period. > > > > > > > > > > > Cheers > > > > > > > > mariano > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > > Pharo-users mailing list > > > > > Pharo-users(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > > > > > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-users > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > Pharo-users mailing list > > > > Pharo-users(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > > > > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-users > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > Pharo-users mailing list > > > > Pharo-users(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > > > > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-users > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Pharo-users mailing list > > > Pharo-users(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > > > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-users > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Pharo-users mailing list > > > Pharo-users(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > > > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-users > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Pharo-users mailing list > > > Pharo-users(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > > > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-users > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Pharo-users mailing list > > Pharo-users(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-users > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Pharo-users mailing list > > Pharo-users(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-users > > > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-users mailing list > Pharo-users(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-users >

May 14, 2010

Re: [Pharo-users] Using FFI to call a MacOs System function

by Mariano Martinez Peck

> > Let us know your progress. Now...would you like to help us and document all > this in http://book.seaside.st/ ? > Sorry I mean http://book.pharo-project.org/ ;) too many books > We need to write all this down. Image the poor guy that comes after > you...imagine if someone already had this problem and you would have found > such info...wouldn't that be cool ? Don't worry for the English neither to > the text. It doesn't need to be perfect. This is continuous...we first > write, and then the community will give feedback, correct it, complete it, > etc... > > If you want to join, please let us know and we generate a user for you. > > Cheers > > Mariano > > Cheers >> >> David >> >> >> >> >> >> On 05 May, 2010, at 23:15, Mariano Martinez Peck wrote: >> >> BTW....keyboards seems to be a .h (a header) , but not a library...at >> least in my mac >> >> Do you have also the library ? I am still newbie with the Mac OS :( >> >> Cheers >> >> mariano >> >> On Wed, May 5, 2010 at 11:10 PM, Mariano Martinez Peck < >> marianopeck(a)gmail.com> wrote: >> >>> >>> >>> On Tue, May 4, 2010 at 4:46 PM, David Wilson <djwilson(a)bluewin.ch>wrote: >>> >>>> Hi >>>> >>>> I'm new to Pharo (although I was a Smalltalk programmer in the 90's), >>>> and I'm trying to use FFI to access an MacOs system function: >>>> >>>> >>> Hi and welcome! >>> >>> >>>> apiKLGetKeyboardLayoutCount >>>> < cdecl: ulong 'KLGetKeyboardLayoutCount' (void) module: >>>> 'keyboards'> >>>> ^ self externalCallFailed. >>>> >>>> I get an error "'Unable to find function address'" which seems to say >>>> the OS-module "keyboards" can't be found. >>>> >>> >>> Exactly. That's the problem. >>> >>> >>>> I can't figure out what the address should be. >>>> The function is defined here: >>>> http://developer.apple.com/legacy/mac/library/documentation/Carbon/Referenc… >>>> (yes, it's deprecated, I have a very old mac runnning 10.4). >>>> >>>> >>> But you see the library in your computer, isn't it ? I mean, it is there, >>> but FFI doesn't find it ? >>> >>> >>> >>>> I'm not sure if I'm using FFI correctly, do I have to somehow include >>>> the external library in the Pharo VM? >>>> >>> >>> No, you shouldn't need to do that. However, you can try to put them there >>> just to see if that's the problem. I think that at some point (depends on an >>> order) the library is searched in the same place where you are calling from. >>> So, yes, do a test, but just a test. It should work without doing that. >>> >>> How did you install FFI ? Which Pharo VM and image versions are you >>> using ? >>> >>> Can anyone help? >>>> >>>> >>> I would like too, but I don't have such library. >>> >>> I developed a wrapper for a Clibrary called OpenDBX using FFI. In our >>> website, some people experimented similar problems. >>> Please take a look to the title "Problems with Mac OS:" of the following >>> link: >>> >>> http://www.squeakdbx.org/Compiling%20and%20installing%20OpenDBX >>> >>> I also cc'ed people that can help you. >>> >>> Cheers >>> >>> Mariano >>> >>> >>> I'm looked for FFI examples, but don't find anything helpful. >>>> >>>> David >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Pharo-users mailing list >>>> Pharo-users(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr >>>> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-users >>>> >>> >>> >> _______________________________________________ >> Pharo-users mailing list >> Pharo-users(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr >> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-users >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Pharo-users mailing list >> Pharo-users(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr >> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-users >> >> >

May 14, 2010

Re: [Pharo-users] Using FFI to call a MacOs System function

by Mariano Martinez Peck

On Fri, May 14, 2010 at 7:04 PM, David Wilson <djwilson(a)bluewin.ch> wrote: > Hi Mariano > > Thanks for the tips, you got me on the right track. Some trial and lots of > error got me to a solution. > > Hi David. I am glad it worked. > In order to use MacOs system calls you have to: > 1) identify the function you want to use e.g. KLGetKeyboardLayoutCount > 2) find out what header file this is defined in. here it's "Keyboards.h" in > the Framework "Carbon/Carbon.h" > So far it's easy from the Apple documentation > > 3) find out which Bundle this is in. I used Finder to find out where > Keyboards.h is used, it's used in HIToolbox.framework > 4) find the actual compiled framework, on my system it's at: > > /System/Library/Frameworks/Carbon.framework/Versions/A/Frameworks/HIToolbox.framework/Versions/A/HIToolbox > 5) I placed a copy of this file in the Pharo bundle at: > Pharo-1.0.app/Contents/Resources/HIToolbox > > An the call looks like: > > apiKLGetKeyboardLayoutCount > < cdecl: ulong 'KLGetKeyboardLayoutCount' (void) module: 'HIToolbox'> > > ^ self externalCallFailed. > > I tried a link to the bundle, that didn't work. > Probably the correct way to do this is to change Pharos RES path (in > Pharo.sh) to include the a pointer to HIToolbox executable. > I may try that if I go further with this than a prototype. > > Let us know your progress. Now...would you like to help us and document all this in http://book.seaside.st/ ? We need to write all this down. Image the poor guy that comes after you...imagine if someone already had this problem and you would have found such info...wouldn't that be cool ? Don't worry for the English neither to the text. It doesn't need to be perfect. This is continuous...we first write, and then the community will give feedback, correct it, complete it, etc... If you want to join, please let us know and we generate a user for you. Cheers Mariano Cheers > > David > > > > > > On 05 May, 2010, at 23:15, Mariano Martinez Peck wrote: > > BTW....keyboards seems to be a .h (a header) , but not a library...at > least in my mac > > Do you have also the library ? I am still newbie with the Mac OS :( > > Cheers > > mariano > > On Wed, May 5, 2010 at 11:10 PM, Mariano Martinez Peck < > marianopeck(a)gmail.com> wrote: > >> >> >> On Tue, May 4, 2010 at 4:46 PM, David Wilson <djwilson(a)bluewin.ch> wrote: >> >>> Hi >>> >>> I'm new to Pharo (although I was a Smalltalk programmer in the 90's), and >>> I'm trying to use FFI to access an MacOs system function: >>> >>> >> Hi and welcome! >> >> >>> apiKLGetKeyboardLayoutCount >>> < cdecl: ulong 'KLGetKeyboardLayoutCount' (void) module: 'keyboards'> >>> ^ self externalCallFailed. >>> >>> I get an error "'Unable to find function address'" which seems to say the >>> OS-module "keyboards" can't be found. >>> >> >> Exactly. That's the problem. >> >> >>> I can't figure out what the address should be. >>> The function is defined here: >>> http://developer.apple.com/legacy/mac/library/documentation/Carbon/Referenc… >>> (yes, it's deprecated, I have a very old mac runnning 10.4). >>> >>> >> But you see the library in your computer, isn't it ? I mean, it is there, >> but FFI doesn't find it ? >> >> >> >>> I'm not sure if I'm using FFI correctly, do I have to somehow include the >>> external library in the Pharo VM? >>> >> >> No, you shouldn't need to do that. However, you can try to put them there >> just to see if that's the problem. I think that at some point (depends on an >> order) the library is searched in the same place where you are calling from. >> So, yes, do a test, but just a test. It should work without doing that. >> >> How did you install FFI ? Which Pharo VM and image versions are you using >> ? >> >> Can anyone help? >>> >>> >> I would like too, but I don't have such library. >> >> I developed a wrapper for a Clibrary called OpenDBX using FFI. In our >> website, some people experimented similar problems. >> Please take a look to the title "Problems with Mac OS:" of the following >> link: >> >> http://www.squeakdbx.org/Compiling%20and%20installing%20OpenDBX >> >> I also cc'ed people that can help you. >> >> Cheers >> >> Mariano >> >> >> I'm looked for FFI examples, but don't find anything helpful. >>> >>> David >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Pharo-users mailing list >>> Pharo-users(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr >>> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-users >>> >> >> > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-users mailing list > Pharo-users(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-users > > > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-users mailing list > Pharo-users(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-users > >

May 14, 2010

IWST 2010 CfP - Deadline Extension

by Michael Haupt

* apologies for multiple copies * The submission deadline for the International Workshop on Smalltalk Technologies (IWST) 2010 has been extended to June 18. Please find the details below. Call for Papers International Workshop on Smalltalk Technologies (IWST) 2010 co-located with European Smalltalk User Group Conference (ESUG) Barcelona, Spain, September 11-17, 2010 ** Description The goal of the IWST workshop series is to create and foster a forum around advances or experience in Smalltalk. We welcome contributions on all aspects, theoretical as well as practical, of Smalltalk-related topics. There are two possible kinds of submissions, which must be in ACM SIGPLAN style: * Research papers (up to 10 pages). Submissions in this category will be rigorously reviewed, and accepted papers will be published in the ACM Digital Library (ACM SIGPLAN has approved, the final ACM approval is pending). * Demonstration papers (up to 4 pages). Submissions in this category will not be published in the ACM Digital Library, but will be available for download from the workshop web page. ** Submission and Reviewing Process The EasyChair submission web site is at http://www.easychair.org/conferences/?conf=iwst10. Authors will be given the opportunity to comment on reviewers' work by providing feedback on the reviews. For this purpose, a questionnaire will be sent to authors. Their answers will be evaluated anonymously, and feedback will be handed on to reviewers. ** Important Dates Submission: June 18, 2010 (Samoa time) Feedback: July 16, 2010 ESUG Early Registration Deadline: July 9, 2010 Authors will be able to register for the early rate if their registration depends on IWST notification. Workshop: September 12, 2010, Barcelona, Spain ** Programme Committee Co-Chairs: Michael Haupt, Hasso-Plattner-Institut, University of Potsdam, Germany Robert Hirschfeld, Hasso-Plattner-Institut, University of Potsdam, Germany PC Members: Gabriela Arevalo, Universidad Nacional de La Plata, Argentina Johannes Brauer, NORDAKADEMIE, Germany Johan Brichau, UniversitÃ© catholique de Louvain, Belgium Marcus Denker, INRIA Lille - Nord Europe, France Theo D'Hondt, Vrije Universiteit Brussel, Belgium James Foster, GemStone Systems, Inc., USA Andy Kellens, Vrije Universiteit Brussel, Belgium Andreas Raab, Teleplace Inc., USA Lukas Renggli, Software Composition Group (SCG), University of Bern, Switzerland Randal L. Schwartz, Stonehenge Consulting Services, Inc. Dave Ungar, IBM Research

May 14, 2010

Re: [Pharo-users] Using FFI to call a MacOs System function

by David Wilson

Hi Mariano Thanks for the tips, you got me on the right track. Some trial and lots of error got me to a solution. In order to use MacOs system calls you have to: 1) identify the function you want to use e.g. KLGetKeyboardLayoutCount 2) find out what header file this is defined in. here it's "Keyboards.h" in the Framework "Carbon/Carbon.h" So far it's easy from the Apple documentation 3) find out which Bundle this is in. I used Finder to find out where Keyboards.h is used, it's used in HIToolbox.framework 4) find the actual compiled framework, on my system it's at: /System/Library/Frameworks/Carbon.framework/Versions/A/Frameworks/ HIToolbox.framework/Versions/A/HIToolbox 5) I placed a copy of this file in the Pharo bundle at: Pharo-1.0.app/Contents/Resources/HIToolbox An the call looks like: apiKLGetKeyboardLayoutCount < cdecl: ulong 'KLGetKeyboardLayoutCount' (void) module: 'HIToolbox'> ^ self externalCallFailed. I tried a link to the bundle, that didn't work. Probably the correct way to do this is to change Pharos RES path (in Pharo.sh) to include the a pointer to HIToolbox executable. I may try that if I go further with this than a prototype. Cheers David On 05 May, 2010, at 23:15, Mariano Martinez Peck wrote: BTW....keyboards seems to be a .h (a header) , but not a library...at least in my mac Do you have also the library ? I am still newbie with the Mac OS :( Cheers mariano On Wed, May 5, 2010 at 11:10 PM, Mariano Martinez Peck <marianopeck(a)gmail.com> wrote: On Tue, May 4, 2010 at 4:46 PM, David Wilson <djwilson(a)bluewin.ch> wrote: Hi I'm new to Pharo (although I was a Smalltalk programmer in the 90's), and I'm trying to use FFI to access an MacOs system function: Hi and welcome! apiKLGetKeyboardLayoutCount < cdecl: ulong 'KLGetKeyboardLayoutCount' (void) module: 'keyboards'> ^ self externalCallFailed. I get an error "'Unable to find function address'" which seems to say the OS-module "keyboards" can't be found. Exactly. That's the problem. I can't figure out what the address should be. The function is defined here: http://developer.apple.com/legacy/mac/ library/documentation/Carbon/Reference/KeyboardLayoutServices/ Reference/reference.html (yes, it's deprecated, I have a very old mac runnning 10.4). But you see the library in your computer, isn't it ? I mean, it is there, but FFI doesn't find it ? I'm not sure if I'm using FFI correctly, do I have to somehow include the external library in the Pharo VM? No, you shouldn't need to do that. However, you can try to put them there just to see if that's the problem. I think that at some point (depends on an order) the library is searched in the same place where you are calling from. So, yes, do a test, but just a test. It should work without doing that. How did you install FFI ? Which Pharo VM and image versions are you using ? Can anyone help? I would like too, but I don't have such library. I developed a wrapper for a Clibrary called OpenDBX using FFI. In our website, some people experimented similar problems. Please take a look to the title "Problems with Mac OS:" of the following link: http://www.squeakdbx.org/Compiling%20and%20installing%20OpenDBX I also cc'ed people that can help you. Cheers Mariano I'm looked for FFI examples, but don't find anything helpful. David _______________________________________________ Pharo-users mailing list Pharo-users(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-users _______________________________________________ Pharo-users mailing list Pharo-users(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-users

May 14, 2010

Help (perfect for newcomers) migrating a technical FAQ

by Mariano Martinez Peck

Hi folks. I had a good idea and and it perfect for someone that wants to help and don't know how. It is not the most entertained task, but I promise you will learn a lot. Mostly, if you are newcomer. The idea is basically to migrate the FAQ that is here: http://scg.unibe.ch/wiki/faq/pharofaq to a new section in the collaborative Pharo book: http://book.pharo-project.org/ So....any takers ? Let us know so that we generate a new user in the Book The idea is also to check whether what is says is still correct for pharo or if it needs an update. Or even how to improve it (from the view of a newcomer). Thanks Mariano

May 13, 2010

Re: [Pharo-users] [Pharo-project] Help testing Pharo 1.1 in big screens!

by StÃ©phane Ducasse

this is ok let us keep that one :) On May 13, 2010, at 9:08 PM, Mariano Martinez Peck wrote: > > > On Thu, May 13, 2010 at 8:44 PM, StÃ©phane Ducasse <stephane.ducasse(a)inria.fr> wrote: > On my 30 inches screen > opening in full show some little square due to the limit of the png :) > > Ok...I guess it's a limit of the png format in particular, but THIS file. I mean, even if I convert it, I will get same results I gues... > > Now, I don't know where this image came from. Samuel Morello ? Can we ask someone for a new one with better resolution ? > > Thanks > > mariano > > > Thanks mariano. > > > On May 13, 2010, at 8:39 PM, Mariano Martinez Peck wrote: > > > Hi folks. I re-try (yes, yes, I re-insist hahaha) to have a background picture for the PharoDev 1.1. The last time I tried, we had a problem with the picture because in big screens instead of making it bigger, it put it several times, or it cut it. Now, thanks to Gary, it should work well. > > > > So, if you are a lucky guy an have a big screen, can you please take the latests PharoCore 1.1 image, for example this: > > > > https://gforge.inria.fr/frs/download.php/26995/PharoCore-1.1-11357-UNSTABLE… > > > > > > How to test it ? > > > > - Download this in the same directory where the .image is: > > https://gforge.inria.fr/frs/download.php/26996/pharoBackground.png > > > > Then evaluate: > > > > World backgroundMorph: > > ((UITheme builder > > newAlphaImage: (ImageReadWriter formFromFileNamed: 'pharoBackground.png') help: nil) > > autoSize: false; > > layout: #scaled; > > lock) > > > > > > What to test ? > > > > - You should stretch the pharo image, make it very big, and the background picture should stretch also together with the image. > > - If you notice a performance decrease with it (I don't think so) > > - If you like it or not. > > - If the resolution is good enough in big screens > > > > > > Thanks! > > > > Mariano > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Pharo-project mailing list > > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project > > > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-users mailing list > Pharo-users(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-users > > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-project mailing list > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project

May 13, 2010

Re: [Pharo-users] [Pharo-project] Help testing Pharo 1.1 in big screens!

by Mariano Martinez Peck

On Thu, May 13, 2010 at 8:44 PM, StÃ©phane Ducasse <stephane.ducasse(a)inria.fr > wrote: > On my 30 inches screen > opening in full show some little square due to the limit of the png :) > Ok...I guess it's a limit of the png format in particular, but THIS file. I mean, even if I convert it, I will get same results I gues... Now, I don't know where this image came from. Samuel Morello ? Can we ask someone for a new one with better resolution ? Thanks mariano > > Thanks mariano. > > > On May 13, 2010, at 8:39 PM, Mariano Martinez Peck wrote: > > > Hi folks. I re-try (yes, yes, I re-insist hahaha) to have a background > picture for the PharoDev 1.1. The last time I tried, we had a problem with > the picture because in big screens instead of making it bigger, it put it > several times, or it cut it. Now, thanks to Gary, it should work well. > > > > So, if you are a lucky guy an have a big screen, can you please take the > latests PharoCore 1.1 image, for example this: > > > > > https://gforge.inria.fr/frs/download.php/26995/PharoCore-1.1-11357-UNSTABLE… > > > > > > How to test it ? > > > > - Download this in the same directory where the .image is: > > https://gforge.inria.fr/frs/download.php/26996/pharoBackground.png > > > > Then evaluate: > > > > World backgroundMorph: > > ((UITheme builder > > newAlphaImage: (ImageReadWriter formFromFileNamed: > 'pharoBackground.png') help: nil) > > autoSize: false; > > layout: #scaled; > > lock) > > > > > > What to test ? > > > > - You should stretch the pharo image, make it very big, and the > background picture should stretch also together with the image. > > - If you notice a performance decrease with it (I don't think so) > > - If you like it or not. > > - If the resolution is good enough in big screens > > > > > > Thanks! > > > > Mariano > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Pharo-project mailing list > > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project > > > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-users mailing list > Pharo-users(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-users >

May 13, 2010

Re: [Pharo-users] [Pharo-project] Help testing Pharo 1.1 in big screens!

by StÃ©phane Ducasse

On my 30 inches screen opening in full show some little square due to the limit of the png :) Thanks mariano. On May 13, 2010, at 8:39 PM, Mariano Martinez Peck wrote: > Hi folks. I re-try (yes, yes, I re-insist hahaha) to have a background picture for the PharoDev 1.1. The last time I tried, we had a problem with the picture because in big screens instead of making it bigger, it put it several times, or it cut it. Now, thanks to Gary, it should work well. > > So, if you are a lucky guy an have a big screen, can you please take the latests PharoCore 1.1 image, for example this: > > https://gforge.inria.fr/frs/download.php/26995/PharoCore-1.1-11357-UNSTABLE… > > > How to test it ? > > - Download this in the same directory where the .image is: > https://gforge.inria.fr/frs/download.php/26996/pharoBackground.png > > Then evaluate: > > World backgroundMorph: > ((UITheme builder > newAlphaImage: (ImageReadWriter formFromFileNamed: 'pharoBackground.png') help: nil) > autoSize: false; > layout: #scaled; > lock) > > > What to test ? > > - You should stretch the pharo image, make it very big, and the background picture should stretch also together with the image. > - If you notice a performance decrease with it (I don't think so) > - If you like it or not. > - If the resolution is good enough in big screens > > > Thanks! > > Mariano > > > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-project mailing list > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project

May 13, 2010

Help testing Pharo 1.1 in big screens!

by Mariano Martinez Peck

Hi folks. I re-try (yes, yes, I re-insist hahaha) to have a background picture for the PharoDev 1.1. The last time I tried, we had a problem with the picture because in big screens instead of making it bigger, it put it several times, or it cut it. Now, thanks to Gary, it should work well. So, if you are a lucky guy an have a big screen, can you please take the latests PharoCore 1.1 image, for example this: https://gforge.inria.fr/frs/download.php/26995/PharoCore-1.1-11357-UNSTABLE… How to test it ? - Download this in the same directory where the .image is: https://gforge.inria.fr/frs/download.php/26996/pharoBackground.png Then evaluate: World backgroundMorph: ((UITheme builder newAlphaImage: (ImageReadWriter formFromFileNamed: 'pharoBackground.png') help: nil) autoSize: false; layout: #scaled; lock) What to test ? - You should stretch the pharo image, make it very big, and the background picture should stretch also together with the image. - If you notice a performance decrease with it (I don't think so) - If you like it or not. - If the resolution is good enough in big screens Thanks! Mariano

May 13, 2010

Re: [Pharo-users] ecompletion - smart characters

by StÃ©phane Ducasse

Cool! On May 13, 2010, at 1:04 AM, Mariano Martinez Peck wrote: > Ok...I added this information to the book. Please look at: > > http://book.pharo-project.org/book/CodeEditing/SmartCharactersAutocompletion > > Cheers > > Mariano

May 13, 2010

Re: [Pharo-users] ecompletion - smart characters

by Mariano Martinez Peck

Ok...I added this information to the book. Please look at: http://book.pharo-project.org/book/CodeEditing/SmartCharactersAutocompletion Cheers Mariano On Tue, May 11, 2010 at 1:40 PM, StÃ©phane Ducasse <stephane.ducasse(a)inria.fr > wrote: > I saw but I want that on http://book.pharo-project.org > > On May 11, 2010, at 10:41 AM, Lukas Renggli wrote: > > > See http://code.google.com/p/pharo/issues/detail?id=2407. > > > > Lukas > > > > On 11 May 2010 10:39, StÃ©phane Ducasse <stephane.ducasse(a)inria.fr> > wrote: > >> mariano > >> > >> can you create a page on the book with that? > >> > >> Stef > >> > >> On May 11, 2010, at 12:18 AM, Mariano Martinez Peck wrote: > >> > >>> > >>> > >>> On Tue, May 11, 2010 at 12:04 AM, Ron Jeffries <ronjeffries(a)acm.org> > wrote: > >>> Hello, Tudor. On Monday, May 10, 2010, at 5:38:07 PM, you wrote: > >>> > >>>> If I understood correctly it is about the matching of brackets and > >>>> quotes. In this regard, the completion behaves exactly like TextMate. > >>> > >>>> So, why is this a bug? > >>> > >>> How do you manage to type a single quote in TextMate? Does that work > >>> in Pharo? > >>> > >>> > >>> Good question. But I don't know. This "feature" is from the package > Shout that is installed in Pharo dev images. If you take a PharoCore for > example, it doesn't happen. > >>> > >>> I keep winding up with too many right parens. It is possible that I > >>> am typing too many. My suspicion is that Pharo is providing too > >>> many. > >>> > >>> This is how it works: > >>> > >>> 1) when you type the LEFT side of: { , [ , ( , " , ' etc .... it > will AUTOMATICALLY open the other pair. This is because this is usually the > case: you open the left one, you will probably need to open the right one. > >>> > >>> 2) when you type the RIGHT side, it only writes the right side. > >>> > >>> 3) When you remove a left side of the two recently created ( like 1) ) > , just after creating it, it removes both of them: left and right > >>> > >>> > >>> Let me remark something. The style to work with this tool, is not to go > to left, type, then go to right, and type. I mean, suppose I have this > >>> > >>> Transcript show: 5 timesRepeat: ['something'] > >>> > >>> and I need to have it like this: > >>> > >>> > >>> Transcript show: (5 timesRepeat: ['something']) > >>> > >>> the whay to work with Pharo is not: > >>> > >>> Transcript show: (5 timesRepeat: ['something'] > >>> > >>> then > >>> > >>> Transcript show: (5 timesRepeat: ['something']) > >>> > >>> The idea is that you FIRST select the code you want, and then, you > press the LEFT side of what you want. In that case, you select "5 > timesRepeat: ['something']" and with that selected you press "(" . And the > same with all those characters. > >>> > >>> It is difficult to explain by chat hahahaha. I think they are very very > useful, but you have to get use to. When I started with Pharo I was still a > java developer..so I was the whole day with Eclipse and then at night with > Pharo...and it was incredible how I was trying to work this way in Eclipse, > in gmail, in TextEdit etc hahahahha > >>> > >>> Cheers > >>> > >>> Mariano > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> Ron Jeffries > >>> www.XProgramming.com > >>> www.xprogramming.com/blog > >>> New and stirring things are belittled because if they are not > belittled, > >>> the humiliating question arises, "Why then are you not taking part in > >>> them?" -- H. G. Wells > >>> > >>> > >>> _______________________________________________ > >>> Pharo-users mailing list > >>> Pharo-users(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > >>> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-users > >>> > >>> _______________________________________________ > >>> Pharo-users mailing list > >>> Pharo-users(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > >>> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-users > >> > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> Pharo-users mailing list > >> Pharo-users(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > >> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-users > >> > > > > > > > > -- > > Lukas Renggli > > www.lukas-renggli.ch > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Pharo-users mailing list > > Pharo-users(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-users > > > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-users mailing list > Pharo-users(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-users >

May 12, 2010

Re: [Pharo-users] Resolving some dependencies...

by StÃ©phane Ducasse

We should edit the project wiki to say that and also the status to private so that PharoMorphicExtras is just there for archival purposes. Setf On May 12, 2010, at 5:18 PM, Mariano Martinez Peck wrote: > Carla: some time ago with stef we moved the working packages form http://www.squeaksource.com/PharoMorphicExtras to > > http://www.squeaksource.com/PharoNonCorePackages > > As you can see in PharoNonCorePackages it is no more MorphicExtras. > In addition, we did ConfigurationOfPharoMorphicExtras > > So please, from nowon, use that repository. And in case of changing something, commit it there, as the next dev images will use PharoNonCorePackages and not PharoMorphicExtras. > > Cheers > > Mariano > > > On Mon, May 10, 2010 at 7:15 PM, StÃ©phane Ducasse <stephane.ducasse(a)inria.fr> wrote: > ExtraMorphs? > On May 10, 2010, at 5:15 PM, Mariano Martinez Peck wrote: > > > > > > > On Mon, May 10, 2010 at 5:09 PM, Carla F. Griggio <carla.griggio(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > Uff, then... I'll have to do some work over this :) > > > > About MorphicExtras, if you say it's a lot of crap, I trust you. > > > > me too. > > > > But the name of ConfigurationOfPharoMorphicExtras suggests that it will load MorphicExtras (at least for me, because I had the package name 'Morphic Extras' stucked in my head when I found the metacello configuration) :$ So that might be a little confusing. > > > > That's exactly why I asked. Stef, Carla, do you have a better name for such configuration ? > > > > Cheers > > > > Mariano > > > > > > > > Thanks! > > > > Carla > > > > > > On Mon, May 10, 2010 at 8:03 AM, StÃ©phane Ducasse <stephane.ducasse(a)inria.fr> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > PS: When I used ConfigurationOfPharoMorphicExtras, it loaded some Morphic packages but not the MorphicExtras package itself, I had to load it manually later. Is that OK? > > > > > > Yes because MorphicExtras-StephaneDucasse.144 is a dead package. It is full of crap or experimental code. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > But anyway, I think she is right. > > > > she is not > > > > > The package MorphicExtras should be loaded, together with MorphExamplesAndDemos and LED, shouldn't it ? > > > > No it should NOT! > > Check the classes in there and you will see that you do NOT want that in your image. :) > > What I did was to extract the MorphExampleAndDemos where I cleaned the code made sure that the xamples > > are working...... > > > > So MorphicExtras should just be there so that people can extract something that they would like to repackage. Period. > > > > > > > > Cheers > > > > > > mariano > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > Pharo-users mailing list > > > > Pharo-users(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > > > > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-users > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Pharo-users mailing list > > > Pharo-users(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > > > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-users > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Pharo-users mailing list > > > Pharo-users(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > > > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-users > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Pharo-users mailing list > > Pharo-users(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-users > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Pharo-users mailing list > > Pharo-users(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-users > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Pharo-users mailing list > > Pharo-users(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-users > > > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-users mailing list > Pharo-users(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-users > > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-users mailing list > Pharo-users(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-users

May 12, 2010

Re: [Pharo-users] Resolving some dependencies...

by Mariano Martinez Peck

Carla: some time ago with stef we moved the working packages form http://www.squeaksource.com/PharoMorphicExtras to http://www.squeaksource.com/PharoNonCorePackages As you can see in PharoNonCorePackages it is no more MorphicExtras. In addition, we did ConfigurationOfPharoMorphicExtras So please, from nowon, use that repository. And in case of changing something, commit it there, as the next dev images will use PharoNonCorePackages and not PharoMorphicExtras. Cheers Mariano On Mon, May 10, 2010 at 7:15 PM, StÃ©phane Ducasse <stephane.ducasse(a)inria.fr > wrote: > ExtraMorphs? > On May 10, 2010, at 5:15 PM, Mariano Martinez Peck wrote: > > > > > > > On Mon, May 10, 2010 at 5:09 PM, Carla F. Griggio < > carla.griggio(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > Uff, then... I'll have to do some work over this :) > > > > About MorphicExtras, if you say it's a lot of crap, I trust you. > > > > me too. > > > > But the name of ConfigurationOfPharoMorphicExtras suggests that it will > load MorphicExtras (at least for me, because I had the package name 'Morphic > Extras' stucked in my head when I found the metacello configuration) :$ So > that might be a little confusing. > > > > That's exactly why I asked. Stef, Carla, do you have a better name for > such configuration ? > > > > Cheers > > > > Mariano > > > > > > > > Thanks! > > > > Carla > > > > > > On Mon, May 10, 2010 at 8:03 AM, StÃ©phane Ducasse < > stephane.ducasse(a)inria.fr> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > PS: When I used ConfigurationOfPharoMorphicExtras, it loaded some > Morphic packages but not the MorphicExtras package itself, I had to load it > manually later. Is that OK? > > > > > > Yes because MorphicExtras-StephaneDucasse.144 is a dead package. It is > full of crap or experimental code. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > But anyway, I think she is right. > > > > she is not > > > > > The package MorphicExtras should be loaded, together with > MorphExamplesAndDemos and LED, shouldn't it ? > > > > No it should NOT! > > Check the classes in there and you will see that you do NOT want that in > your image. :) > > What I did was to extract the MorphExampleAndDemos where I cleaned the > code made sure that the xamples > > are working...... > > > > So MorphicExtras should just be there so that people can extract > something that they would like to repackage. Period. > > > > > > > > Cheers > > > > > > mariano > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > Pharo-users mailing list > > > > Pharo-users(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > > > > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-users > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Pharo-users mailing list > > > Pharo-users(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > > > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-users > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Pharo-users mailing list > > > Pharo-users(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > > > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-users > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Pharo-users mailing list > > Pharo-users(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-users > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Pharo-users mailing list > > Pharo-users(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-users > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Pharo-users mailing list > > Pharo-users(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-users > > > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-users mailing list > Pharo-users(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-users >

May 12, 2010

Re: [Pharo-users] Request help in using any WYSIWYG Javascript editor, preferably TinyMCE

by Miguel Enrique CobÃ¡ Martinez

El mar, 11-05-2010 a las 16:57 -0400, Marco A. Gonzalez escribiÃ³: > Hi, I'm new to Pharo, and think that along with Seaside, it is so well > architected that it's compelling me to try it for professional web > development. > > I've created a simple web application in Seaside into which I'd like > to incorporate a WYSIWYG Javascript editor for the HTML textarea tags > so my users can enter stylized text. I've used TinyMCE in the past in > my Java-based web apps, and it's been very simple to integrate. > See http://tinymce.moxiecode.com/. > > However, I can't get it to work in my Pharo/Seaside web applications. > It just doesn't show up in my web browser. > I hope I've specified everything below clearly, completely and > succinctly. Has anyone else incorporated TinyMCE successfully? What am > I missing? What am I doing wrong? I use tinyMCE but I don't import the javascript code into the Seaside app. I put them on the web server in a given path and then in the Seaside code I put a reference to it: updateRoot: anHtmlRoot super updateRoot: anHtmlRoot. anHtmlRoot javascript resourceUrl: '/javascript/tiny_mce/tiny_mce.js' I use a resource url but you can use a full path by using url: (I think). Then in the text area component: script ^ ' tinyMCE.init({ mode : "textareas", theme : "advanced" }); ' and then something like: renderContentOn: html html label with: self session l10n text. html break. html textArea class: 'span-13'; rows: 6; on: #text of: self note And this activates the editor on all the text areas on the page. Hope this help. -- Miguel CobÃ¡ http://miguel.leugim.com.mx

May 12, 2010

Re: [Pharo-users] Request help in using any WYSIWYG Javascript editor, preferably TinyMCE

by Igor Stasenko

I don't know if it would help, but i think FireBug (for Firefox browser) will make your life much easier, to debug things and determine why it not works :) On 11 May 2010 23:57, Marco A. Gonzalez <marcoinc(a)mac.com> wrote: > Hi, I'm new to Pharo, and think that along with Seaside, it is so well > architected that it's compelling me to try it for professional web > development. > I've created a simple web application in Seaside into which I'd like to > incorporate a WYSIWYG Javascript editor for the HTML textarea tags so my > users can enter stylized text. I've used TinyMCE in the past in my > Java-based web apps, and it's been very simple to integrate. > SeeÂ http://tinymce.moxiecode.com/. > > However, I can't get it to work in my Pharo/Seaside web applications. It > just doesn't show up in my web browser. > I hope I've specified everything below clearly, completely and succinctly. > Has anyone else incorporated TinyMCE successfully? What am I missing? What > am I doing wrong? > > Below are the relevant snippets of code: > ---- > #updateRoot: anHtmlRoot > super updateRoot:anHtmlRoot. > > "Adds tinyMCE javascript code to the document with a 'script src=' > anHtmlRoot addScript: self tinyMCEJavascript. > > #tinyMCEJavascript > ^' > tinyMCE.init({ > // General options > // mode : "textareas", > > mode : "specific_textareas", > editor_selector : "useJavascriptWYSIWYGEditor", > > theme : "advanced", > plugins : > "safari,spellchecker,pagebreak,style,layer,table,save,advhr,advimage,advlink,emotions,iespell,inlinepopups,insertdatetime,preview,media,searchreplace,print,contextmenu,paste,directionality,fullscreen,noneditable,visualchars,nonbreaking,xhtmlxtras,template,imagemanager,filemanager", > > // Theme options > theme_advanced_buttons1 : > "save,newdocument,|,bold,italic,underline,strikethrough,|,justifyleft,justifycenter,justifyright,justifyfull,|,styleselect,formatselect,fontselect,fontsizeselect", > theme_advanced_buttons2 : > "cut,copy,paste,pastetext,pasteword,|,search,replace,|,bullist,numlist,|,outdent,indent,blockquote,|,undo,redo,|,link,unlink,anchor,image,cleanup,help,code,|,insertdate,inserttime,preview,|,forecolor,backcolor", > theme_advanced_buttons3 : > "tablecontrols,|,hr,removeformat,visualaid,|,sub,sup,|,charmap,emotions,iespell,media,advhr,|,print,|,ltr,rtl,|,fullscreen", > theme_advanced_buttons4 : > "insertlayer,moveforward,movebackward,absolute,|,styleprops,spellchecker,|,cite,abbr,acronym,del,ins,attribs,|,visualchars,nonbreaking,template,blockquote,pagebreak,|,insertfile,insertimage", > theme_advanced_toolbar_location : "top", > theme_advanced_toolbar_align : "left", > theme_advanced_statusbar_location : "bottom", > theme_advanced_resizing : true, > > // Example content CSS (should be your site CSS) > content_css : "css/example.css", > > // Drop lists for link/image/media/template dialogs > template_external_list_url : "js/template_list.js", > external_link_list_url : "js/link_list.js", > external_image_list_url : "js/image_list.js", > media_external_list_url : "js/media_list.js", > > // Replace values for the template plugin > template_replace_values : { > username : "Some User", > staffid : "991234" > } > }); > '. > > #renderContentOn: html > html document addLoadScript:'tinyMCE.init();'. > > html div class: 'AmagaviBNIEventEditor'; with: [ > html form multipart with: [ > html table class: 'rolodex'; with:[ > > html tableRow:[ > html tableHeading:'Descriptive text'. > html tableData:[ > html textArea > "class: 'content';" > class: 'useJavascriptWYSIWYGEditor'; > columns: '60'; > rows: '5'; > callback: [ :editedValue | self event descriptiveText: editedValue ]; > value: self event descriptiveText. > ]. > ]. "tableRow" > ]. "table" > > html submitButton > callback: [ self save. ]; > value: 'Save'. > > html submitButton > callback: [self cancel]; > value: 'Cancel'. > ]. "form" > ]. "div" > > ---- > > Using my web browser, when I "view source" to see the HTML, I appropriately > see the following HTML in between the <head></head> tags: > <script type="text/javascript" > src="/amagaviBNI?_s=UOMr33WyYGqoSDx0"></script> > > Copy/Pasting the "/amagaviBNI?_s=UOMr33WyYGqoSDx0" in my browser > appropriately shows the tinyMCE.init() javascript method that is referenced > by #tinyMCEJavascript. > > The textarea HTML appropriately shows > <textarea rows="5" cols="60" class="useJavascriptWYSIWYGEditor" > name="5">This is an event. </textarea> > > The body tag looks like this: > <body onload="onLoad()"> > > ... and right above the closing body tag, the HTML is... > <script type="text/javascript">/*<![CDATA[*/function > onLoad(){tinyMCE.init();}/*]]>*/</script></body> > > I'm using PharoCore1.0, Latest update: #10517 on a Macintosh MacBookPro with > OS X v10.5.8. > Using "printIt" on SmalltalkImage current vmVersion, I get > 'Squeak3.8.1 of ''28 Aug 2006'' [latest update: #6747] Squeak VM 4.2.2b1' > > I think I'm using Seaside 3.0a5 since I have a window entitled "Seaside > 3.0a5" but since I've used the World menu > System > Software update to > update my system, I don't know if it's been updated. I also don't know what > to evaluate to determine what actual version of Seaside I'm running so I'd > be grateful if someone could tell me how to do that too. If there's a newer > version of Seaside that I've not been getting using "Software update", then > would you tell me how to get the most recent, "usable" version also? > > Finally, thanks to everyone who has developed all the above-mentioned > components, as well as the people using Pharo and Seaside and have been > posting and answering questions. I hope to get to a point of expertise where > I can contribute as well. > > - Marco A. > --------- > Marco A. Gonzalez > web:Â http://www.amagavi.com/ > > > > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-users mailing list > Pharo-users(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-users > > -- Best regards, Igor Stasenko AKA sig.

May 11, 2010

Re: [Pharo-users] Request help in using any WYSIWYG Javascript editor, preferably TinyMCE

by StÃ©phane Ducasse

hi marco welcome :) May be you should ask seaside questions to the seaside mailing-list? Because you will have a better chance to get an answer. stef On May 11, 2010, at 10:57 PM, Marco A. Gonzalez wrote: > Hi, I'm new to Pharo, and think that along with Seaside, it is so well architected that it's compelling me to try it for professional web development. > > I've created a simple web application in Seaside into which I'd like to incorporate a WYSIWYG Javascript editor for the HTML textarea tags so my users can enter stylized text. I've used TinyMCE in the past in my Java-based web apps, and it's been very simple to integrate. See http://tinymce.moxiecode.com/. > > However, I can't get it to work in my Pharo/Seaside web applications. It just doesn't show up in my web browser. > I hope I've specified everything below clearly, completely and succinctly. Has anyone else incorporated TinyMCE successfully? What am I missing? What am I doing wrong? > > Below are the relevant snippets of code: > ---- > #updateRoot: anHtmlRoot > super updateRoot:anHtmlRoot. > > "Adds tinyMCE javascript code to the document with a 'script src=' > anHtmlRoot addScript: self tinyMCEJavascript. > > #tinyMCEJavascript > ^' > tinyMCE.init({ > // General options > // mode : "textareas", > > mode : "specific_textareas", > editor_selector : "useJavascriptWYSIWYGEditor", > > theme : "advanced", > plugins : "safari,spellchecker,pagebreak,style,layer,table,save,advhr,advimage,advlink,emotions,iespell,inlinepopups,insertdatetime,preview,media,searchreplace,print,contextmenu,paste,directionality,fullscreen,noneditable,visualchars,nonbreaking,xhtmlxtras,template,imagemanager,filemanager", > > // Theme options > theme_advanced_buttons1 : "save,newdocument,|,bold,italic,underline,strikethrough,|,justifyleft,justifycenter,justifyright,justifyfull,|,styleselect,formatselect,fontselect,fontsizeselect", > theme_advanced_buttons2 : "cut,copy,paste,pastetext,pasteword,|,search,replace,|,bullist,numlist,|,outdent,indent,blockquote,|,undo,redo,|,link,unlink,anchor,image,cleanup,help,code,|,insertdate,inserttime,preview,|,forecolor,backcolor", > theme_advanced_buttons3 : "tablecontrols,|,hr,removeformat,visualaid,|,sub,sup,|,charmap,emotions,iespell,media,advhr,|,print,|,ltr,rtl,|,fullscreen", > theme_advanced_buttons4 : "insertlayer,moveforward,movebackward,absolute,|,styleprops,spellchecker,|,cite,abbr,acronym,del,ins,attribs,|,visualchars,nonbreaking,template,blockquote,pagebreak,|,insertfile,insertimage", > theme_advanced_toolbar_location : "top", > theme_advanced_toolbar_align : "left", > theme_advanced_statusbar_location : "bottom", > theme_advanced_resizing : true, > > // Example content CSS (should be your site CSS) > content_css : "css/example.css", > > // Drop lists for link/image/media/template dialogs > template_external_list_url : "js/template_list.js", > external_link_list_url : "js/link_list.js", > external_image_list_url : "js/image_list.js", > media_external_list_url : "js/media_list.js", > > // Replace values for the template plugin > template_replace_values : { > username : "Some User", > staffid : "991234" > } > }); > '. > > #renderContentOn: html > html document addLoadScript:'tinyMCE.init();'. > > html div class: 'AmagaviBNIEventEditor'; with: [ > html form multipart with: [ > html table class: 'rolodex'; with:[ > > html tableRow:[ > html tableHeading:'Descriptive text'. > html tableData:[ > html textArea > "class: 'content';" > class: 'useJavascriptWYSIWYGEditor'; > columns: '60'; > rows: '5'; > callback: [ :editedValue | self event descriptiveText: editedValue ]; > value: self event descriptiveText. > ]. > ]. "tableRow" > ]. "table" > > html submitButton > callback: [ self save. ]; > value: 'Save'. > > html submitButton > callback: [self cancel]; > value: 'Cancel'. > ]. "form" > ]. "div" > > ---- > > Using my web browser, when I "view source" to see the HTML, I appropriately see the following HTML in between the <head></head> tags: > <script type="text/javascript" src="/amagaviBNI?_s=UOMr33WyYGqoSDx0"></script> > > Copy/Pasting the "/amagaviBNI?_s=UOMr33WyYGqoSDx0" in my browser appropriately shows the tinyMCE.init() javascript method that is referenced by #tinyMCEJavascript. > > The textarea HTML appropriately shows > <textarea rows="5" cols="60" class="useJavascriptWYSIWYGEditor" name="5">This is an event. </textarea> > > The body tag looks like this: > <body onload="onLoad()"> > > ... and right above the closing body tag, the HTML is... > <script type="text/javascript">/*<![CDATA[*/function onLoad(){tinyMCE.init();}/*]]>*/</script></body> > > I'm using PharoCore1.0, Latest update: #10517 on a Macintosh MacBookPro with OS X v10.5.8. > Using "printIt" on SmalltalkImage current vmVersion, I get > 'Squeak3.8.1 of ''28 Aug 2006'' [latest update: #6747] Squeak VM 4.2.2b1' > > I think I'm using Seaside 3.0a5 since I have a window entitled "Seaside 3.0a5" but since I've used the World menu > System > Software update to update my system, I don't know if it's been updated. I also don't know what to evaluate to determine what actual version of Seaside I'm running so I'd be grateful if someone could tell me how to do that too. If there's a newer version of Seaside that I've not been getting using "Software update", then would you tell me how to get the most recent, "usable" version also? > > Finally, thanks to everyone who has developed all the above-mentioned components, as well as the people using Pharo and Seaside and have been posting and answering questions. I hope to get to a point of expertise where I can contribute as well. > > - Marco A. > --------- > Marco A. Gonzalez > web: http://www.amagavi.com/ > > > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-users mailing list > Pharo-users(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-users

May 11, 2010

Request help in using any WYSIWYG Javascript editor, preferably TinyMCE

by Marco A. Gonzalez

Hi, I'm new to Pharo, and think that along with Seaside, it is so well architected that it's compelling me to try it for professional web development. I've created a simple web application in Seaside into which I'd like to incorporate a WYSIWYG Javascript editor for the HTML textarea tags so my users can enter stylized text. I've used TinyMCE in the past in my Java-based web apps, and it's been very simple to integrate. See http://tinymce.moxiecode.com/ . However, I can't get it to work in my Pharo/Seaside web applications. It just doesn't show up in my web browser. I hope I've specified everything below clearly, completely and succinctly. Has anyone else incorporated TinyMCE successfully? What am I missing? What am I doing wrong? Below are the relevant snippets of code: ---- #updateRoot: anHtmlRoot super updateRoot:anHtmlRoot. "Adds tinyMCE javascript code to the document with a 'script src=' anHtmlRoot addScript: self tinyMCEJavascript. #tinyMCEJavascript ^' tinyMCE.init({ // General options // mode : "textareas", mode : "specific_textareas", editor_selector : "useJavascriptWYSIWYGEditor", theme : "advanced", plugins : "safari,spellchecker,pagebreak,style,layer,table,save,advhr,advimage,advlink,emotions,iespell,inlinepopups,insertdatetime,preview,media,searchreplace,print,contextmenu,paste,directionality,fullscreen,noneditable,visualchars,nonbreaking,xhtmlxtras,template,imagemanager,filemanager", // Theme options theme_advanced_buttons1 : "save ,newdocument ,| ,bold ,italic ,underline ,strikethrough ,| ,justifyleft ,justifycenter ,justifyright ,justifyfull,|,styleselect,formatselect,fontselect,fontsizeselect", theme_advanced_buttons2 : "cut ,copy ,paste ,pastetext ,pasteword ,| ,search ,replace ,| ,bullist ,numlist ,| ,outdent ,indent ,blockquote ,| ,undo ,redo ,| ,link ,unlink ,anchor ,image ,cleanup ,help,code,|,insertdate,inserttime,preview,|,forecolor,backcolor", theme_advanced_buttons3 : "tablecontrols ,| ,hr ,removeformat ,visualaid ,| ,sub ,sup ,|,charmap,emotions,iespell,media,advhr,|,print,|,ltr,rtl,|,fullscreen", theme_advanced_buttons4 : "insertlayer ,moveforward ,movebackward ,absolute ,| ,styleprops ,spellchecker ,| ,cite ,abbr ,acronym ,del ,ins ,attribs ,| ,visualchars ,nonbreaking,template,blockquote,pagebreak,|,insertfile,insertimage", theme_advanced_toolbar_location : "top", theme_advanced_toolbar_align : "left", theme_advanced_statusbar_location : "bottom", theme_advanced_resizing : true, // Example content CSS (should be your site CSS) content_css : "css/example.css", // Drop lists for link/image/media/template dialogs template_external_list_url : "js/template_list.js", external_link_list_url : "js/link_list.js", external_image_list_url : "js/image_list.js", media_external_list_url : "js/media_list.js", // Replace values for the template plugin template_replace_values : { username : "Some User", staffid : "991234" } }); '. #renderContentOn: html html document addLoadScript:'tinyMCE.init();'. html div class: 'AmagaviBNIEventEditor'; with: [ html form multipart with: [ html table class: 'rolodex'; with:[ html tableRow:[ html tableHeading:'Descriptive text'. html tableData:[ html textArea "class: 'content';" class: 'useJavascriptWYSIWYGEditor'; columns: '60'; rows: '5'; callback: [ :editedValue | self event descriptiveText: editedValue ]; value: self event descriptiveText. ]. ]. "tableRow" ]. "table" html submitButton callback: [ self save. ]; value: 'Save'. html submitButton callback: [self cancel]; value: 'Cancel'. ]. "form" ]. "div" ---- Using my web browser, when I "view source" to see the HTML, I appropriately see the following HTML in between the <head></head> tags: <script type="text/javascript" src="/amagaviBNI? _s=UOMr33WyYGqoSDx0"></script> Copy/Pasting the "/amagaviBNI?_s=UOMr33WyYGqoSDx0" in my browser appropriately shows the tinyMCE.init() javascript method that is referenced by #tinyMCEJavascript. The textarea HTML appropriately shows <textarea rows="5" cols="60" class="useJavascriptWYSIWYGEditor" name="5">This is an event. </textarea> The body tag looks like this: <body onload="onLoad()"> ... and right above the closing body tag, the HTML is... <script type="text/javascript">/*<![CDATA[*/function onLoad() {tinyMCE.init();}/*]]>*/</script></body> I'm using PharoCore1.0, Latest update: #10517 on a Macintosh MacBookPro with OS X v10.5.8. Using "printIt" on SmalltalkImage current vmVersion, I get 'Squeak3.8.1 of ''28 Aug 2006'' [latest update: #6747] Squeak VM 4.2.2b1' I think I'm using Seaside 3.0a5 since I have a window entitled "Seaside 3.0a5" but since I've used the World menu > System > Software update to update my system, I don't know if it's been updated. I also don't know what to evaluate to determine what actual version of Seaside I'm running so I'd be grateful if someone could tell me how to do that too. If there's a newer version of Seaside that I've not been getting using "Software update", then would you tell me how to get the most recent, "usable" version also? Finally, thanks to everyone who has developed all the above-mentioned components, as well as the people using Pharo and Seaside and have been posting and answering questions. I hope to get to a point of expertise where I can contribute as well. - Marco A. --------- Marco A. Gonzalez web: http://www.amagavi.com/

May 11, 2010

Re: [Pharo-users] ecompletion - smart characters

by StÃ©phane Ducasse

I saw but I want that on http://book.pharo-project.org On May 11, 2010, at 10:41 AM, Lukas Renggli wrote: > See http://code.google.com/p/pharo/issues/detail?id=2407. > > Lukas > > On 11 May 2010 10:39, StÃ©phane Ducasse <stephane.ducasse(a)inria.fr> wrote: >> mariano >> >> can you create a page on the book with that? >> >> Stef >> >> On May 11, 2010, at 12:18 AM, Mariano Martinez Peck wrote: >> >>> >>> >>> On Tue, May 11, 2010 at 12:04 AM, Ron Jeffries <ronjeffries(a)acm.org> wrote: >>> Hello, Tudor. On Monday, May 10, 2010, at 5:38:07 PM, you wrote: >>> >>>> If I understood correctly it is about the matching of brackets and >>>> quotes. In this regard, the completion behaves exactly like TextMate. >>> >>>> So, why is this a bug? >>> >>> How do you manage to type a single quote in TextMate? Does that work >>> in Pharo? >>> >>> >>> Good question. But I don't know. This "feature" is from the package Shout that is installed in Pharo dev images. If you take a PharoCore for example, it doesn't happen. >>> >>> I keep winding up with too many right parens. It is possible that I >>> am typing too many. My suspicion is that Pharo is providing too >>> many. >>> >>> This is how it works: >>> >>> 1) when you type the LEFT side of: { , [ , ( , " , ' etc .... it will AUTOMATICALLY open the other pair. This is because this is usually the case: you open the left one, you will probably need to open the right one. >>> >>> 2) when you type the RIGHT side, it only writes the right side. >>> >>> 3) When you remove a left side of the two recently created ( like 1) ) , just after creating it, it removes both of them: left and right >>> >>> >>> Let me remark something. The style to work with this tool, is not to go to left, type, then go to right, and type. I mean, suppose I have this >>> >>> Transcript show: 5 timesRepeat: ['something'] >>> >>> and I need to have it like this: >>> >>> >>> Transcript show: (5 timesRepeat: ['something']) >>> >>> the whay to work with Pharo is not: >>> >>> Transcript show: (5 timesRepeat: ['something'] >>> >>> then >>> >>> Transcript show: (5 timesRepeat: ['something']) >>> >>> The idea is that you FIRST select the code you want, and then, you press the LEFT side of what you want. In that case, you select "5 timesRepeat: ['something']" and with that selected you press "(" . And the same with all those characters. >>> >>> It is difficult to explain by chat hahahaha. I think they are very very useful, but you have to get use to. When I started with Pharo I was still a java developer..so I was the whole day with Eclipse and then at night with Pharo...and it was incredible how I was trying to work this way in Eclipse, in gmail, in TextEdit etc hahahahha >>> >>> Cheers >>> >>> Mariano >>> >>> >>> >>> Ron Jeffries >>> www.XProgramming.com >>> www.xprogramming.com/blog >>> New and stirring things are belittled because if they are not belittled, >>> the humiliating question arises, "Why then are you not taking part in >>> them?" -- H. G. Wells >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Pharo-users mailing list >>> Pharo-users(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr >>> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-users >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Pharo-users mailing list >>> Pharo-users(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr >>> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-users >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Pharo-users mailing list >> Pharo-users(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr >> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-users >> > > > > -- > Lukas Renggli > www.lukas-renggli.ch > > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-users mailing list > Pharo-users(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-users

May 11, 2010

Re: [Pharo-users] ecompletion - smart characters

by Lukas Renggli

Yes, of course :-) Lukas On 11 May 2010 10:43, Mariano Martinez Peck <marianopeck(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > On Tue, May 11, 2010 at 10:41 AM, Lukas Renggli <renggli(a)gmail.com> wrote: >> >> See http://code.google.com/p/pharo/issues/detail?id=2407. >> > > I thought it was Shout who did that...is ECompletion instead ? > > >> >> Lukas >> >> On 11 May 2010 10:39, StÃ©phane Ducasse <stephane.ducasse(a)inria.fr> wrote: >> > mariano >> > >> > can you create a page on the book with that? >> > >> > Stef >> > >> > On May 11, 2010, at 12:18 AM, Mariano Martinez Peck wrote: >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> On Tue, May 11, 2010 at 12:04 AM, Ron Jeffries <ronjeffries(a)acm.org> >> >> wrote: >> >> Hello, Tudor. Â On Monday, May 10, 2010, at 5:38:07 PM, you wrote: >> >> >> >> > If I understood correctly it is about the matching of brackets and >> >> > quotes. In this regard, the completion behaves exactly like TextMate. >> >> >> >> > So, why is this a bug? >> >> >> >> How do you manage to type a single quote in TextMate? Does that work >> >> in Pharo? >> >> >> >> >> >> Good question. But I don't know. This "feature" is from the package >> >> Shout that is installed in Pharo dev images. If you take a PharoCore for >> >> example, it doesn't happen. >> >> >> >> I keep winding up with too many right parens. It is possible that I >> >> am typing too many. My suspicion is that Pharo is providing too >> >> many. >> >> >> >> This is how it works: >> >> >> >> 1) when you type the LEFT side of: Â { , [ Â , ( , " , ' Â Â etc .... it >> >> will AUTOMATICALLY open the other pair. This is because this is usually the >> >> case: you open the left one, you will probably need to open the right one. >> >> >> >> 2) when you type the RIGHT side, it only writes the right side. >> >> >> >> 3) When you remove a left side of the two recently created ( like 1) ) >> >> , just after creating it, it removes both of them: left and right >> >> >> >> >> >> Let me remark something. The style to work with this tool, is not to go >> >> to left, type, then go to right, and type. I mean, suppose I have Â this >> >> >> >> Transcript show: 5 timesRepeat: ['something'] >> >> >> >> and I need to have it like this: >> >> >> >> >> >> Transcript show: (5 timesRepeat: ['something']) >> >> >> >> the whay to work with Pharo is not: >> >> >> >> Transcript show: (5 timesRepeat: ['something'] >> >> >> >> then >> >> >> >> Transcript show: (5 timesRepeat: ['something']) >> >> >> >> The idea is that you FIRST select the code you want, and then, you >> >> press the LEFT side of what you want. In that case, you select "5 >> >> timesRepeat: ['something']" and with that selected you press "(" . And the >> >> same with all those characters. >> >> >> >> It is difficult to explain by chat hahahaha. I think they are very very >> >> useful, but you have to get use to. When I started with Pharo I was still a >> >> java developer..so I was the whole day with Eclipse and then at night with >> >> Pharo...and it was incredible how I was trying to work this way in Eclipse, >> >> in gmail, in TextEdit etc hahahahha >> >> >> >> Cheers >> >> >> >> Mariano >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Ron Jeffries >> >> www.XProgramming.com >> >> www.xprogramming.com/blog >> >> New and stirring things are belittled because if they are not >> >> belittled, >> >> the humiliating question arises, "Why then are you not taking part in >> >> them?" Â -- H. G. Wells >> >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> Pharo-users mailing list >> >> Pharo-users(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr >> >> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-users >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> Pharo-users mailing list >> >> Pharo-users(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr >> >> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-users >> > >> > >> > _______________________________________________ >> > Pharo-users mailing list >> > Pharo-users(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr >> > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-users >> > >> >> >> >> -- >> Lukas Renggli >> www.lukas-renggli.ch >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Pharo-users mailing list >> Pharo-users(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr >> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-users > > > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-users mailing list > Pharo-users(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-users > > -- Lukas Renggli www.lukas-renggli.ch

May 11, 2010

Re: [Pharo-users] ecompletion - smart characters

by Mariano Martinez Peck

On Tue, May 11, 2010 at 10:41 AM, Lukas Renggli <renggli(a)gmail.com> wrote: > See http://code.google.com/p/pharo/issues/detail?id=2407. > > I thought it was Shout who did that...is ECompletion instead ? > Lukas > > On 11 May 2010 10:39, StÃ©phane Ducasse <stephane.ducasse(a)inria.fr> wrote: > > mariano > > > > can you create a page on the book with that? > > > > Stef > > > > On May 11, 2010, at 12:18 AM, Mariano Martinez Peck wrote: > > > >> > >> > >> On Tue, May 11, 2010 at 12:04 AM, Ron Jeffries <ronjeffries(a)acm.org> > wrote: > >> Hello, Tudor. On Monday, May 10, 2010, at 5:38:07 PM, you wrote: > >> > >> > If I understood correctly it is about the matching of brackets and > >> > quotes. In this regard, the completion behaves exactly like TextMate. > >> > >> > So, why is this a bug? > >> > >> How do you manage to type a single quote in TextMate? Does that work > >> in Pharo? > >> > >> > >> Good question. But I don't know. This "feature" is from the package > Shout that is installed in Pharo dev images. If you take a PharoCore for > example, it doesn't happen. > >> > >> I keep winding up with too many right parens. It is possible that I > >> am typing too many. My suspicion is that Pharo is providing too > >> many. > >> > >> This is how it works: > >> > >> 1) when you type the LEFT side of: { , [ , ( , " , ' etc .... it > will AUTOMATICALLY open the other pair. This is because this is usually the > case: you open the left one, you will probably need to open the right one. > >> > >> 2) when you type the RIGHT side, it only writes the right side. > >> > >> 3) When you remove a left side of the two recently created ( like 1) ) , > just after creating it, it removes both of them: left and right > >> > >> > >> Let me remark something. The style to work with this tool, is not to go > to left, type, then go to right, and type. I mean, suppose I have this > >> > >> Transcript show: 5 timesRepeat: ['something'] > >> > >> and I need to have it like this: > >> > >> > >> Transcript show: (5 timesRepeat: ['something']) > >> > >> the whay to work with Pharo is not: > >> > >> Transcript show: (5 timesRepeat: ['something'] > >> > >> then > >> > >> Transcript show: (5 timesRepeat: ['something']) > >> > >> The idea is that you FIRST select the code you want, and then, you press > the LEFT side of what you want. In that case, you select "5 timesRepeat: > ['something']" and with that selected you press "(" . And the same with all > those characters. > >> > >> It is difficult to explain by chat hahahaha. I think they are very very > useful, but you have to get use to. When I started with Pharo I was still a > java developer..so I was the whole day with Eclipse and then at night with > Pharo...and it was incredible how I was trying to work this way in Eclipse, > in gmail, in TextEdit etc hahahahha > >> > >> Cheers > >> > >> Mariano > >> > >> > >> > >> Ron Jeffries > >> www.XProgramming.com > >> www.xprogramming.com/blog > >> New and stirring things are belittled because if they are not belittled, > >> the humiliating question arises, "Why then are you not taking part in > >> them?" -- H. G. Wells > >> > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> Pharo-users mailing list > >> Pharo-users(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > >> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-users > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> Pharo-users mailing list > >> Pharo-users(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > >> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-users > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Pharo-users mailing list > > Pharo-users(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-users > > > > > > -- > Lukas Renggli > www.lukas-renggli.ch > > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-users mailing list > Pharo-users(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-users >

May 11, 2010

Re: [Pharo-users] ecompletion - smart characters

by Lukas Renggli

See http://code.google.com/p/pharo/issues/detail?id=2407. Lukas On 11 May 2010 10:39, StÃ©phane Ducasse <stephane.ducasse(a)inria.fr> wrote: > mariano > > can you create a page on the book with that? > > Stef > > On May 11, 2010, at 12:18 AM, Mariano Martinez Peck wrote: > >> >> >> On Tue, May 11, 2010 at 12:04 AM, Ron Jeffries <ronjeffries(a)acm.org> wrote: >> Hello, Tudor. Â On Monday, May 10, 2010, at 5:38:07 PM, you wrote: >> >> > If I understood correctly it is about the matching of brackets and >> > quotes. In this regard, the completion behaves exactly like TextMate. >> >> > So, why is this a bug? >> >> How do you manage to type a single quote in TextMate? Does that work >> in Pharo? >> >> >> Good question. But I don't know. This "feature" is from the package Shout that is installed in Pharo dev images. If you take a PharoCore for example, it doesn't happen. >> >> I keep winding up with too many right parens. It is possible that I >> am typing too many. My suspicion is that Pharo is providing too >> many. >> >> This is how it works: >> >> 1) when you type the LEFT side of: Â { , [ Â , ( , " , ' Â Â etc .... it will AUTOMATICALLY open the other pair. This is because this is usually the case: you open the left one, you will probably need to open the right one. >> >> 2) when you type the RIGHT side, it only writes the right side. >> >> 3) When you remove a left side of the two recently created ( like 1) ) , just after creating it, it removes both of them: left and right >> >> >> Let me remark something. The style to work with this tool, is not to go to left, type, then go to right, and type. I mean, suppose I have Â this >> >> Transcript show: 5 timesRepeat: ['something'] >> >> and I need to have it like this: >> >> >> Transcript show: (5 timesRepeat: ['something']) >> >> the whay to work with Pharo is not: >> >> Transcript show: (5 timesRepeat: ['something'] >> >> then >> >> Transcript show: (5 timesRepeat: ['something']) >> >> The idea is that you FIRST select the code you want, and then, you press the LEFT side of what you want. In that case, you select "5 timesRepeat: ['something']" and with that selected you press "(" . And the same with all those characters. >> >> It is difficult to explain by chat hahahaha. I think they are very very useful, but you have to get use to. When I started with Pharo I was still a java developer..so I was the whole day with Eclipse and then at night with Pharo...and it was incredible how I was trying to work this way in Eclipse, in gmail, in TextEdit etc hahahahha >> >> Cheers >> >> Mariano >> >> >> >> Ron Jeffries >> www.XProgramming.com >> www.xprogramming.com/blog >> New and stirring things are belittled because if they are not belittled, >> the humiliating question arises, "Why then are you not taking part in >> them?" Â -- H. G. Wells >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Pharo-users mailing list >> Pharo-users(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr >> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-users >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Pharo-users mailing list >> Pharo-users(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr >> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-users > > > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-users mailing list > Pharo-users(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-users > -- Lukas Renggli www.lukas-renggli.ch

May 11, 2010

Re: [Pharo-users] ecompletion - smart characters

by StÃ©phane Ducasse

mariano can you create a page on the book with that? Stef On May 11, 2010, at 12:18 AM, Mariano Martinez Peck wrote: > > > On Tue, May 11, 2010 at 12:04 AM, Ron Jeffries <ronjeffries(a)acm.org> wrote: > Hello, Tudor. On Monday, May 10, 2010, at 5:38:07 PM, you wrote: > > > If I understood correctly it is about the matching of brackets and > > quotes. In this regard, the completion behaves exactly like TextMate. > > > So, why is this a bug? > > How do you manage to type a single quote in TextMate? Does that work > in Pharo? > > > Good question. But I don't know. This "feature" is from the package Shout that is installed in Pharo dev images. If you take a PharoCore for example, it doesn't happen. > > I keep winding up with too many right parens. It is possible that I > am typing too many. My suspicion is that Pharo is providing too > many. > > This is how it works: > > 1) when you type the LEFT side of: { , [ , ( , " , ' etc .... it will AUTOMATICALLY open the other pair. This is because this is usually the case: you open the left one, you will probably need to open the right one. > > 2) when you type the RIGHT side, it only writes the right side. > > 3) When you remove a left side of the two recently created ( like 1) ) , just after creating it, it removes both of them: left and right > > > Let me remark something. The style to work with this tool, is not to go to left, type, then go to right, and type. I mean, suppose I have this > > Transcript show: 5 timesRepeat: ['something'] > > and I need to have it like this: > > > Transcript show: (5 timesRepeat: ['something']) > > the whay to work with Pharo is not: > > Transcript show: (5 timesRepeat: ['something'] > > then > > Transcript show: (5 timesRepeat: ['something']) > > The idea is that you FIRST select the code you want, and then, you press the LEFT side of what you want. In that case, you select "5 timesRepeat: ['something']" and with that selected you press "(" . And the same with all those characters. > > It is difficult to explain by chat hahahaha. I think they are very very useful, but you have to get use to. When I started with Pharo I was still a java developer..so I was the whole day with Eclipse and then at night with Pharo...and it was incredible how I was trying to work this way in Eclipse, in gmail, in TextEdit etc hahahahha > > Cheers > > Mariano > > > > Ron Jeffries > www.XProgramming.com > www.xprogramming.com/blog > New and stirring things are belittled because if they are not belittled, > the humiliating question arises, "Why then are you not taking part in > them?" -- H. G. Wells > > > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-users mailing list > Pharo-users(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-users > > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-users mailing list > Pharo-users(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-users

May 11, 2010