December 2010 - Pharo-users

Re: [Pharo-users] Numbers showing up in Transcript

by Daniel Klein

Pharo-1.1.1-- Latest update: #11414 I will see what I can do to either find it or reproduce it. Dan _____ From: pharo-users-bounces(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr [mailto:pharo-users-bounces@lists.gforge.inria.fr] On Behalf Of Mariano Martinez Peck Sent: Thursday, December 30, 2010 11:44 To: A friendly place where any question about pharo is welcome Subject: Re: [Pharo-users] Numbers showing up in Transcript BTW Dan, which image are you using exactly? On Thu, Dec 30, 2010 at 5:36 PM, Sven Van Caekenberghe <sven(a)beta9.be> wrote: I think this has to do with syntax highlighting or something like that (maybe Shout related), esp. with brackets auto inserting or wrapping. It doesn't happen in Core images, or my dev images generated from Core, but I saw it before in Dev images. HTH, Sven On 30 Dec 2010, at 17:29, Mariano Martinez Peck wrote: > the problem is that I don't see them all the time. Just sometimes. > Dan, can you reproduce them someway? if true, please put a breakpoint (or a haltOnce) in ThreadSafeTranscript >> show: anObject > > > On Thu, Dec 30, 2010 at 5:27 PM, StÃ©phane Ducasse <stephane.ducasse(a)inria.fr> wrote: > Trace for the events when we were chasing bug in doubleclick :) > I would love to know where they are generated from. > Stef > > > > I'm getting a bunch of numbers showing up in the Transcript without my doing anything (that I know of). For example: > > > > 18 19 > > 19 20 > > 22 29 > > 557 562 > > 570 571 > > 598 599 > > 514 515 > > > > What are they? And why are they showing up? > > > > Dan > > >

Dec. 30, 2010

Re: [Pharo-users] Numbers showing up in Transcript

by Mariano Martinez Peck

BTW Dan, which image are you using exactly? On Thu, Dec 30, 2010 at 5:36 PM, Sven Van Caekenberghe <sven(a)beta9.be>wrote: > I think this has to do with syntax highlighting or something like that > (maybe Shout related), esp. with brackets auto inserting or wrapping. It > doesn't happen in Core images, or my dev images generated from Core, but I > saw it before in Dev images. > > HTH, > > Sven > > On 30 Dec 2010, at 17:29, Mariano Martinez Peck wrote: > > > the problem is that I don't see them all the time. Just sometimes. > > Dan, can you reproduce them someway? if true, please put a breakpoint > (or a haltOnce) in ThreadSafeTranscript >> show: anObject > > > > > > On Thu, Dec 30, 2010 at 5:27 PM, StÃ©phane Ducasse < > stephane.ducasse(a)inria.fr> wrote: > > Trace for the events when we were chasing bug in doubleclick :) > > I would love to know where they are generated from. > > Stef > > > > > > > I'm getting a bunch of numbers showing up in the Transcript without my > doing anything (that I know of). For example: > > > > > > 18 19 > > > 19 20 > > > 22 29 > > > 557 562 > > > 570 571 > > > 598 599 > > > 514 515 > > > > > > What are they? And why are they showing up? > > > > > > Dan > > > > > > > > >

Dec. 30, 2010

Re: [Pharo-users] Numbers showing up in Transcript

by Sven Van Caekenberghe

I think this has to do with syntax highlighting or something like that (maybe Shout related), esp. with brackets auto inserting or wrapping. It doesn't happen in Core images, or my dev images generated from Core, but I saw it before in Dev images. HTH, Sven On 30 Dec 2010, at 17:29, Mariano Martinez Peck wrote: > the problem is that I don't see them all the time. Just sometimes. > Dan, can you reproduce them someway? if true, please put a breakpoint (or a haltOnce) in ThreadSafeTranscript >> show: anObject > > > On Thu, Dec 30, 2010 at 5:27 PM, StÃ©phane Ducasse <stephane.ducasse(a)inria.fr> wrote: > Trace for the events when we were chasing bug in doubleclick :) > I would love to know where they are generated from. > Stef > > > > I'm getting a bunch of numbers showing up in the Transcript without my doing anything (that I know of). For example: > > > > 18 19 > > 19 20 > > 22 29 > > 557 562 > > 570 571 > > 598 599 > > 514 515 > > > > What are they? And why are they showing up? > > > > Dan > > >

Dec. 30, 2010

Re: [Pharo-users] Numbers showing up in Transcript

by Mariano Martinez Peck

the problem is that I don't see them all the time. Just sometimes. Dan, can you reproduce them someway? if true, please put a breakpoint (or a haltOnce) in ThreadSafeTranscript >> show: anObject On Thu, Dec 30, 2010 at 5:27 PM, StÃ©phane Ducasse <stephane.ducasse(a)inria.fr > wrote: > Trace for the events when we were chasing bug in doubleclick :) > I would love to know where they are generated from. > Stef > > > > I'm getting a bunch of numbers showing up in the Transcript without my > doing anything (that I know of). For example: > > > > 18 19 > > 19 20 > > 22 29 > > 557 562 > > 570 571 > > 598 599 > > 514 515 > > > > What are they? And why are they showing up? > > > > Dan > > >

Dec. 30, 2010

Re: [Pharo-users] Numbers showing up in Transcript

by StÃ©phane Ducasse

Trace for the events when we were chasing bug in doubleclick :) I would love to know where they are generated from. Stef > I'm getting a bunch of numbers showing up in the Transcript without my doing anything (that I know of). For example: > > 18 19 > 19 20 > 22 29 > 557 562 > 570 571 > 598 599 > 514 515 > > What are they? And why are they showing up? > > Dan

Dec. 30, 2010

Re: [Pharo-users] Numbers showing up in Transcript

by Mariano Martinez Peck

On Thu, Dec 30, 2010 at 5:11 PM, Daniel Klein <danielk(a)danielk.us> wrote: > I'm getting a bunch of numbers showing up in the Transcript without my > doing anything (that I know of). For example: > > 18 19 > 19 20 > 22 29 > 557 562 > 570 571 > 598 599 > 514 515 > > What are they? And why are they showing up? > Hi dan. Yes, I saw that also. Definitvly it is a bug. I am sure there is some Transcript show: somewhere in the pharo base code.... I think there is an issue opened with it on the bug tracker. can you check? It would be nice to found the place where this print was left on :( Mariano

Dec. 30, 2010

Numbers showing up in Transcript

by Daniel Klein

I'm getting a bunch of numbers showing up in the Transcript without my doing anything (that I know of). For example: 18 19 19 20 22 29 557 562 570 571 598 599 514 515 What are they? And why are they showing up? Dan

Dec. 30, 2010

Re: [Pharo-users] Money AND Feature requests

by Hilaire Fernandes

Le 21/12/2010 16:53, StÃ©phane Ducasse a Ã©crit : > This is why I should create a non profit association but it takes time. It is pretty quick, once you did the paper work ;) Hilaire

Dec. 30, 2010

Re: [Pharo-users] Pharo runtime engine

by StÃ©phane Ducasse

Charles I would love to load even only binary formats and I know well parcels. Now no engineers, no money for doing what I really want, so only little moment grab there and there. Stef > first of all pardon my ignorance, trying to be a better community member but > I'm still behind. > > Has the pharo team contemplated setting up the notion of an official "pharo > runtime engine" (PRE) , to be specific users would download the runtime > engine and subsequently only the "parcels" i.e. whatever the Pharo > counterpart is (.st file ins ?) is distributed to users. > > Although Cincom does not officially support this, its actually quite simple > to setup and its the way I am accustomed to delivering apps. Many in the VW > community do as well. I long ago abandoned the strip down model but rather > "build up". However, the runtime image is indeed an image stripped down of > development tools and etc. BTW, I also provide for a modicum of security by > encrypting the parcels. Yes this is cool This is why we are working on a minimal kernel. > > thanks in advance, > > -Charles > -- > View this message in context: http://forum.world.st/Pharo-runtime-engine-tp3165570p3165570.html > Sent from the Pharo Smalltalk Users mailing list archive at Nabble.com. >

Dec. 29, 2010

Re: [Pharo-users] Pharo runtime engine

by Igor Stasenko

The "runtime engine" called Virtual Machine. Then you can download a variety of images, or make own by yourself and run it. -- Best regards, Igor Stasenko AKA sig.

Dec. 28, 2010

Re: [Pharo-users] Multi window Pharo

by Mariano Martinez Peck

On Tue, Dec 28, 2010 at 12:07 AM, Charles Monteiro <charles(a)nycsmalltalk.org > wrote: > > Is it still the case the all UIs basically reside within the "one" host > Window (World)? Is it not possible to have an app with multiple windows > where one of the windows could for example be located onto a second monitor > ? > No. You cannot. This has been asked and requested several times. It requies some changes in VM I guess. Check the archive: http://forum.world.st/Pharo-Smalltalk-f1294837.html cheers mariano > > thanks in advance, > > > -Charles > -- > View this message in context: > http://forum.world.st/Multi-window-Pharo-tp3165573p3165573.html > Sent from the Pharo Smalltalk Users mailing list archive at Nabble.com. > >

Dec. 28, 2010

Re: [Pharo-users] Pharo runtime engine

by Mariano Martinez Peck

Hi Charles. I don't have experience with VW, so I may be saying useless things. But in pharo, this is a good way of working from my point of view: - You develop your app with a Pharo image (Pharo image -> PharoDev image), the one that comes with a lot of packages and tools. - You create a Metacello configuration for your app which means that you can recreate and load all your application code and its dependences in a clean Pharo image. As you may know, Pharo includes several packages which are kind of third-part libraries, this means, are developed by other people than the "Pharo Developers". The last ones, take care about, what it is called, the PharoCore. So...PharoCore is developed and maitained by Pharo developers, and it is a small image, core. Then, we load several packages on top of it, and we build the Pharo image. This PharoCore can be considered as the PRE. At the moment of deploying an application, you can: - Adapt your metacello configuration (if necessary) so that now your app loads also in a PharoCore - Configure and customize the app. For example, you can change icons of the vm, and change stuff like that. Create a windows installer, etc. - Lock your image for production - Evaluate "ScriptLoader new cleanUpForProduction" which cleans a lot of garbage but also removes tests and things that you may not need in production. The idea with this is to have a smaller image. You can also read: http://code.google.com/p/pharo/wiki/HowToDeployAnApplication Cheers Mariano On Tue, Dec 28, 2010 at 12:04 AM, Charles Monteiro <charles(a)nycsmalltalk.org > wrote: > > first of all pardon my ignorance, trying to be a better community member > but > I'm still behind. > > Has the pharo team contemplated setting up the notion of an official "pharo > runtime engine" (PRE) , to be specific users would download the runtime > engine and subsequently only the "parcels" i.e. whatever the Pharo > counterpart is (.st file ins ?) is distributed to users. > > Although Cincom does not officially support this, its actually quite simple > to setup and its the way I am accustomed to delivering apps. Many in the VW > community do as well. I long ago abandoned the strip down model but rather > "build up". However, the runtime image is indeed an image stripped down of > development tools and etc. BTW, I also provide for a modicum of security by > encrypting the parcels. > > thanks in advance, > > -Charles > -- > View this message in context: > http://forum.world.st/Pharo-runtime-engine-tp3165570p3165570.html > Sent from the Pharo Smalltalk Users mailing list archive at Nabble.com. > >

Dec. 28, 2010

Multi window Pharo

by Charles Monteiro

Is it still the case the all UIs basically reside within the "one" host Window (World)? Is it not possible to have an app with multiple windows where one of the windows could for example be located onto a second monitor ? thanks in advance, -Charles -- View this message in context: http://forum.world.st/Multi-window-Pharo-tp3165573p3165573.html Sent from the Pharo Smalltalk Users mailing list archive at Nabble.com.

Dec. 27, 2010

Pharo runtime engine

by Charles Monteiro

first of all pardon my ignorance, trying to be a better community member but I'm still behind. Has the pharo team contemplated setting up the notion of an official "pharo runtime engine" (PRE) , to be specific users would download the runtime engine and subsequently only the "parcels" i.e. whatever the Pharo counterpart is (.st file ins ?) is distributed to users. Although Cincom does not officially support this, its actually quite simple to setup and its the way I am accustomed to delivering apps. Many in the VW community do as well. I long ago abandoned the strip down model but rather "build up". However, the runtime image is indeed an image stripped down of development tools and etc. BTW, I also provide for a modicum of security by encrypting the parcels. thanks in advance, -Charles -- View this message in context: http://forum.world.st/Pharo-runtime-engine-tp3165570p3165570.html Sent from the Pharo Smalltalk Users mailing list archive at Nabble.com.

Dec. 27, 2010

Re: [Pharo-users] Loading Seaside into an existing image

by Mariano Martinez Peck

Hi Daniel. As stef said, I would go first for download a official Seaside one click image. At least, to get started. Once you are more familiar, you can see how easily you can install seaside 3.0 in your pharo image (the one you download from the pharo website). There are few differences in the provided tools of the Seaside one click image and the pharo image. So, if you are already familiar with a pharo image, then you way want to install seaside there, which should be something like: Gofer new squeaksource: 'MetacelloRepository'; package: 'ConfigutationOfSeaside30'; load. (Smalltalk at: #ConfigurationOfSeaside30) load. Cheers mariano On Sun, Dec 26, 2010 at 10:03 AM, StÃ©phane Ducasse < stephane.ducasse(a)inria.fr> wrote: > Hi daniel > > It depends on what you want to do. > FOr my project I always like to start from a fresh image. > > Now do it incrementally > - take a seaide official image and make sure your code load with a > script > using Metacello (firs gofer then Metacello) > - once you are fit there, you just use the metacello invocation to > load seaside. > > But do not go loading packages by hand. This is the way to get mad and > frustrated :) > > Stef > > > First of all, do I really want to install Seaside into an existing image, > or should I import my stuff into a dedicated Seaside image? > > > > After opening the Repository on 'Seaside', from the Monticello browser, > which version of Seaside to I take from the left column of the Repository? > And then which one from the right column? > > > > I'm assuming I want the latest 'stable' version. I think it's 3.0, but I > don't see it in there? > > > > I just took a look at the Seaside website and it looks like there is a > 'one-click' install for Windows. Is this the best (recommended) way to get > it? I don't mind doing things manually. Are there 'image' and 'changes' > files that I can download without doing the 'one-click' thing? > > > > Sorry for the barrage of questions. Perhaps just a simple answer will > suffice. > > > > Dan > > >

Dec. 26, 2010

Re: [Pharo-users] Loading Seaside into an existing image

by StÃ©phane Ducasse

Hi daniel It depends on what you want to do. FOr my project I always like to start from a fresh image. Now do it incrementally - take a seaide official image and make sure your code load with a script using Metacello (firs gofer then Metacello) - once you are fit there, you just use the metacello invocation to load seaside. But do not go loading packages by hand. This is the way to get mad and frustrated :) Stef > First of all, do I really want to install Seaside into an existing image, or should I import my stuff into a dedicated Seaside image? > > After opening the Repository on 'Seaside', from the Monticello browser, which version of Seaside to I take from the left column of the Repository? And then which one from the right column? > > I'm assuming I want the latest 'stable' version. I think it's 3.0, but I don't see it in there? > > I just took a look at the Seaside website and it looks like there is a 'one-click' install for Windows. Is this the best (recommended) way to get it? I don't mind doing things manually. Are there 'image' and 'changes' files that I can download without doing the 'one-click' thing? > > Sorry for the barrage of questions. Perhaps just a simple answer will suffice. > > Dan

Dec. 26, 2010

Loading Seaside into an existing image

by Daniel Klein

First of all, do I really want to install Seaside into an existing image, or should I import my stuff into a dedicated Seaside image? After opening the Repository on 'Seaside', from the Monticello browser, which version of Seaside to I take from the left column of the Repository? And then which one from the right column? I'm assuming I want the latest 'stable' version. I think it's 3.0, but I don't see it in there? I just took a look at the Seaside website and it looks like there is a 'one-click' install for Windows. Is this the best (recommended) way to get it? I don't mind doing things manually. Are there 'image' and 'changes' files that I can download without doing the 'one-click' thing? Sorry for the barrage of questions. Perhaps just a simple answer will suffice. Dan

Dec. 25, 2010

Re: [Pharo-users] Z3950 on OSX: module yaz3 not found

by Igor Stasenko

On 20 December 2010 22:10, laurent laffont <laurent.laffont(a)gmail.com> wrote: > Hi Hernan, > the strace equivalent on OSX seems to be dtruss (yes I'm learning OSX too :) > sudo dtruss -p [pid of process] > in the trace I have this: > stat("/Users/laurentlaffont/Downloads/Seaside.app/Contents/Resources/yaz3.bundle/Contents/MacOS/yaz3\0", > 0xBFF59440, 0xBFF5AB28) = -1 Err#2 > stat64("/Users/laurentlaffont/Downloads/Seaside.app/Contents/Resources/yaz3.bundle/Contents/MacOS/yaz3\0", > 0xBFF5892C, 0xBFF5AB28) = -1 Err#2 > stat("/Users/laurentlaffont/Downloads/Seaside.app/Contents/Resources/yaz3\0", > 0xBFF59440, 0xBFF5AB28) = 0 0 > stat64("/Users/laurentlaffont/Downloads/Seaside.app/Contents/Resources/yaz3\0", > 0xBFF5892C, 0xBFF5AB28) = 0 0 > open("/Users/laurentlaffont/Downloads/Seaside.app/Contents/Resources/yaz3\0", > 0x0, 0x0) = 12 0 > pread(0xC, "\317\372\355\376\a\0", 0x1000, 0x0) = 4096 0 > close(0xC) = 0 0 > stat("/Users/laurentlaffont/Downloads/Plugins/yaz3.bundle/Contents/MacOS/yaz3\0", > 0xBFF59440, 0x1000) = -1 Err#2 > stat64("/Users/laurentlaffont/Downloads/Plugins/yaz3.bundle/Contents/MacOS/yaz3\0", > 0xBFF5892C, 0x1000) = -1 Err#2 > stat("/Users/laurentlaffont/Downloads/Plugins/yaz3\0", 0xBFF59440, 0x1000) = > -1 Err#2 > stat64("/Users/laurentlaffont/Downloads/Plugins/yaz3\0", 0xBFF5892C, 0x1000) > = -1 Err#2 > > so it looks like the VM is trying to find yaz3 at non standard Unix places > (I don't know if it's SqueakVM or OSX related). > I've createdÂ Contents/Resources/yaz3.bundle/Contents/MacOS/, put yaz lib > there, ln -s libyaz.3.dylib yaz3 but no success. > > I've read good postÂ http://forum.world.st/FFI-Documentation-td2225150.html : > > Module Location - where the external library file lives > - depends on the platform > - Mac > - pre Snow Leopard > - checks VM path and common library paths > - Snow Leopard > - only looks in VM bundle's Resources file, you must either [5]: > - store all external libraries there > - ln -s path/to/library path/to/VM/Resources/library_name > - Change the VM's Info.plist "SqueakPluginsBuiltInOrLocalOnly" key from > "true" to "false." > > For thisÂ SqueakPluginsBuiltInOrLocalOnly I suppose I need to compile a VM ? no. Just go inside an .app folder (for Squeak its Squeak.app i guess) and look for Info.plist file. This is an xml file , where you can find and change that key. > Cheers, > Laurent Laffont > > -- Best regards, Igor Stasenko AKA sig.

Dec. 24, 2010

Re: [Pharo-users] CPU utilisation

by Igor Stasenko

On 23 December 2010 21:48, Mariano Martinez Peck <marianopeck(a)gmail.com> wrote: > In addition to Igor comment, there is also some effort in trying to make > multiple core vms. For example, https://github.com/smarr/RoarVM/ > > Gemstone Smalltalk does use also different cores. And maybe Eliot is working > on that for the CogVM (I don't know). > > Now I am wondering.....I remember (not sure) that in Linux you could specify > which core to run certain process. If that is true, maybe you are able to > run several vms at the same time in different cores?Â I am thinking in case > of having to scale a web application for example. > Usually, linux (as any other modern OS) distributing load between cores efficiently by itself. You can use process affinity only if you want to guarantee that each process will have enough CPU power at any given point of time. > Does someone know? > > thanks > > mariano > > On Thu, Dec 23, 2010 at 9:40 PM, Igor Stasenko <siguctua(a)gmail.com> wrote: >> >> On 23 December 2010 21:22, Phil <phil(a)tcp.net.au> wrote: >> > I'm new here so I'm sorry if this is something already covered. I spent >> > a bit of time browsing the archive but didn't see anything obvious. >> > >> > When Pharo is under load it doesn't appear to making use of all >> > processor cores. >> > >> > I'm using Pharo-1.1.1-- Latest update: #11414 with VM 4.2.1b1 under Mac >> > OS X with a Core 2 Duo. >> > >> > Attached is an image of the CPU history: >> > >> > >> > >> > The thing to notice is that it only appears to be using a single core at >> > any one time. >> > >> > Is this a known issue? >> > >> >> Yes. Squeak VM using green threading model - it runs a language-side >> processes using single native thread. >> >> > Cheers, >> > >> > Phil >> > >> >> >> >> -- >> Best regards, >> Igor Stasenko AKA sig. >> > > -- Best regards, Igor Stasenko AKA sig.

Dec. 23, 2010

Re: [Pharo-users] CPU utilisation

by Mariano Martinez Peck

In addition to Igor comment, there is also some effort in trying to make multiple core vms. For example, https://github.com/smarr/RoarVM/ Gemstone Smalltalk does use also different cores. And maybe Eliot is working on that for the CogVM (I don't know). Now I am wondering.....I remember (not sure) that in Linux you could specify which core to run certain process. If that is true, maybe you are able to run several vms at the same time in different cores? I am thinking in case of having to scale a web application for example. Does someone know? thanks mariano On Thu, Dec 23, 2010 at 9:40 PM, Igor Stasenko <siguctua(a)gmail.com> wrote: > On 23 December 2010 21:22, Phil <phil(a)tcp.net.au> wrote: > > I'm new here so I'm sorry if this is something already covered. I spent a > bit of time browsing the archive but didn't see anything obvious. > > > > When Pharo is under load it doesn't appear to making use of all processor > cores. > > > > I'm using Pharo-1.1.1-- Latest update: #11414 with VM 4.2.1b1 under Mac > OS X with a Core 2 Duo. > > > > Attached is an image of the CPU history: > > > > > > > > The thing to notice is that it only appears to be using a single core at > any one time. > > > > Is this a known issue? > > > > Yes. Squeak VM using green threading model - it runs a language-side > processes using single native thread. > > > Cheers, > > > > Phil > > > > > > -- > Best regards, > Igor Stasenko AKA sig. > >

Dec. 23, 2010

Re: [Pharo-users] CPU utilisation

by Igor Stasenko

On 23 December 2010 21:22, Phil <phil(a)tcp.net.au> wrote: > I'm new here so I'm sorry if this is something already covered. I spent a bit of time browsing the archive but didn't see anything obvious. > > When Pharo is under load it doesn't appear to making use of all processor cores. > > I'm using Pharo-1.1.1-- Latest update: #11414 with VM 4.2.1b1 under Mac OS X with a Core 2 Duo. > > Attached is an image of the CPU history: > > > > The thing to notice is that it only appears to be using a single core at any one time. > > Is this a known issue? > Yes. Squeak VM using green threading model - it runs a language-side processes using single native thread. > Cheers, > > Phil > -- Best regards, Igor Stasenko AKA sig.

Dec. 23, 2010

CPU utilisation

by Phil

I'm new here so I'm sorry if this is something already covered. I spent a bit of time browsing the archive but didn't see anything obvious. When Pharo is under load it doesn't appear to making use of all processor cores. I'm using Pharo-1.1.1-- Latest update: #11414 with VM 4.2.1b1 under Mac OS X with a Core 2 Duo. Attached is an image of the CPU history: The thing to notice is that it only appears to be using a single core at any one time. Is this a known issue? Cheers, Phil

Dec. 23, 2010

Re: [Pharo-users] Nested classes

by StÃ©phane Ducasse

Thanks. :) Stef On Dec 22, 2010, at 2:35 PM, Charles Monteiro wrote: > > yes, answer is ok. Indeed , namespaces in VW are about name collision nothing > more. It just looks nicer :). I hope I will have the cash and time to go fly > to Europe, the dollar is not so good lately :) and have a more in depth > discussion of this. > > So go give birth, I will await the child. > > -Charles > -- > View this message in context: http://forum.world.st/Nested-classes-tp3125667p3160624.html > Sent from the Pharo Smalltalk Users mailing list archive at Nabble.com. >

Dec. 22, 2010

Re: [Pharo-users] Nested classes

by Charles Monteiro

yes, answer is ok. Indeed , namespaces in VW are about name collision nothing more. It just looks nicer :). I hope I will have the cash and time to go fly to Europe, the dollar is not so good lately :) and have a more in depth discussion of this. So go give birth, I will await the child. -Charles -- View this message in context: http://forum.world.st/Nested-classes-tp3125667p3160624.html Sent from the Pharo Smalltalk Users mailing list archive at Nabble.com.

Dec. 22, 2010

Re: [Pharo-users] minimal pharo image

by Annick Fron

Hi, thank you to all, I have fever those days, I will have a look in January. My best wishes for 2011 ! Le 21 dÃ©c. 2010 Ã 23:47, Mariano Martinez Peck a Ã©crit : > Hi Annick. You should know also that there is a lot of work arround pharo for having smaller images than Pharo kernel. > > The project is known as Seed, and Nicolas (cc'ed) may have someting else to say. > > Here I paste some slides: here > > Video: Seed project: The challenge of creating a Smalltalk kernel > > cheers > > mariano > > On Tue, Dec 21, 2010 at 10:43 PM, Pat Maddox <patmaddox(a)me.com> wrote: > On Dec 20, 2010, at 3:20 AM, Annick Fron wrote: > > > Hi, > > > > I am looking for a minimal pharo image. Does anyone know how much file space I need for a minimal image with smalltalk servlets and http at least, or even Seaside ? > > > > Annick Fron > > I don't know the answer to that. You can download the PharoCore image from http://pharo-project.org/pharo-download and install the packages you need. > > Pat > >

Dec. 22, 2010

Re: [Pharo-users] Nested classes

by StÃ©phane Ducasse

Charles I do not have the energy to type all the things I would like to say. So if one day we cross at ESUG I can take a blackboard and explain it. Now in a nutshell The problem is that nested classes implies a really different organization and infrastructure. If we late bound classes then we should copy code (binding are shared between litearl and namespace).... I do not want to enter into the details. Then you end up with the question of "ah ok the superclass is not known at compile time" -> mixin infrastructure: how do I avoid to copy all the code (copy down of accessors and only using accessing....). Then about namespaces. I do not like VW namespaces - I do not like class level import. Now the point is not about namespaces per se. the problem is twofold: - do we want real modularity or just something for nameclash. if you want nameclash, I do not see why prefix are not simpler For real modularity it means that you define your code in isolation and bind the name after in a bind statement and that your scope protect you (for example what happen if the super class is now bound to a class that by accident has the same instance variables than the class you just defined). So you see it changes a lot. - Now the infrastructure (compiled, browser..... should not use Smalltalk globals but environment everywhere so that we can explore namespaces and modules design. So all the people wanting namespaces should be clear for what for themselves first? what is the engineering cost? do they are ready to put this cost on the table? or what other improvement is less important? help just to get tools been able to work on a different environment. So if you payed attention we started since 2002 or even before removing all the Smalltalk at: and turning them in self environment, now recently we got Smalltalk globals and even more recently we got SystemNavigation working on environment instead of hardcoding Smalltalk globals... Having envoironment -based tools (without having namespace in the languages since this is a different issue) will support: system bootstrap atomic loading compiler bootstrap better modular system So let me conclude: - we have a vision - we are not sure what is the best solution (namespace vs. true module) - we are working on the infrastructure so that at least we can prototype some solutions So I hope that may anwser is ok because I will not say more. 1.2 is waiting for us to get born. Stef > > Hi, perhaps a bit off topic, but I was wondering from those that brought > Traits to ST, what are their thoughts of the use of nested classes such as > used in Ruby and other languages. > > Good idea? If so should Smalltalk integrate these? Why? Why not ? > > thanks in advance > > -Charles > www.nycsmalltalk.org > -- > -- > View this message in context: http://forum.world.st/Nested-classes-tp3125667p3125667.html > Sent from the Pharo Smalltalk Users mailing list archive at Nabble.com. >

Dec. 22, 2010

Re: [Pharo-users] how to find all occurrances of a string in a package?

by Lukas Renggli

> I'd like to find all the occurrances of the string 'tabs' in a package I've > written. If you really just want the string 'tabs', the string 'tabs' with the quotes is the search expression. If you want to find it as part of a substring use something along: `#string `{ :node | node value isString and: [ node value includesSubString: 'tabs' ] } The `#string is a literal pattern (booleans, characters, arrays, strings, numbers, ...) and `{ ... adds a constraint on the preceding match. Lukas > > Is there something I can read to learn how to do that? > > Thanks > > Paul > > -- Lukas Renggli www.lukas-renggli.ch

Dec. 22, 2010

Re: [Pharo-users] Nested classes

by Michael Haupt

Hi, Am 21.12.2010 um 22:45 schrieb Mariano Martinez Peck <marianopeck(a)gmail.com>: > just by ignorance.....weren't traits invented in smalltalk? no; Self had them in the Nineties, and they were there before that. The journal version of the ST traits paper has all the references. Best, Michael

Dec. 22, 2010

Re: [Pharo-users] Nested classes

by Charles Monteiro

thanks, Eliot had mentioned Newspeak quite a while back ago, it seems that its progressing a bit, installing it now. -- View this message in context: http://forum.world.st/Nested-classes-tp3125667p3159951.html Sent from the Pharo Smalltalk Users mailing list archive at Nabble.com.

Dec. 22, 2010

Re: [Pharo-users] Nested classes

by Charles Monteiro

totally agreed, given all the concepts a language like Ruby borrowed from Smalltalk, that community and others refuses to pick up at least on the browser concept, I can't live without it -- View this message in context: http://forum.world.st/Nested-classes-tp3125667p3159946.html Sent from the Pharo Smalltalk Users mailing list archive at Nabble.com.

Dec. 22, 2010

Re: [Pharo-users] Nested classes

by Igor Stasenko

On 22 December 2010 00:24, Charles Monteiro <charles(a)nycsmalltalk.org> wrote: > > Igor: > > Let me preface that I pay my bills doing VisualWorks by day and we have > namespaces. > > Yeah, I'm not sold on them but several languages have them and so I wondered > what I was missing. In a way if you could use them to constraint the > instantiation of a nested class to only occur within a outer class it may > have some merit i.e. an arm can only exist in the context of a body etc, but > how value does it add ? From my perspective traits adds value and its worth > its cognitive overhead, not sold on nested classes. > me neither > > "you can just do: > Body Leg new. > > and in > Body>>#Leg > answer any class you want to play role as 'Leg'. > > Or you missing double colons in the middle? :) " > > I missed something here ? , in Ruby the syntax is: > > Body::Leg.new > sorry, i was imprecise. I meant to say 'do you miss the colons?'.. (sarcasm) :) > I guess you are saying that in Smalltalk I can just setup the accessors to > return whatever plays the role of a Leg but part of the point is that the > Leg class is defined within a Body class and I guess if you are looking a > source file in Ruby that might be helpful :) > > i.e. > > class Body > > Â Â class Leg > > Â Â Â Â def method1 > > Â Â Â Â end > > Â end > > end > > The fact that Ruby and other language developers are not used to browser > categories maybe makes this helpful in some way. > I don't think so. You can't create a class in smalltalk without assigning a category to it, so, a developer, who just started with smalltalk, are forced to use categories anyways. Yes, and the fact that nested classes systax like in Ruby or other languages are possible, because they using a 'source files' , which is single bloat of code. While in smalltalk, you usually operating with single method at one moment of time, and all browser operations and UI are optimized around that simple idea, so you don't need to scroll endless file with source code to find the method or nested class you are looking for at line #10974. > > > -- > View this message in context: http://forum.world.st/Nested-classes-tp3125667p3159885.html > Sent from the Pharo Smalltalk Users mailing list archive at Nabble.com. > > -- Best regards, Igor Stasenko AKA sig.

Dec. 21, 2010

Re: [Pharo-users] Nested classes

by Charles Monteiro

Igor: Let me preface that I pay my bills doing VisualWorks by day and we have namespaces. Yeah, I'm not sold on them but several languages have them and so I wondered what I was missing. In a way if you could use them to constraint the instantiation of a nested class to only occur within a outer class it may have some merit i.e. an arm can only exist in the context of a body etc, but how value does it add ? From my perspective traits adds value and its worth its cognitive overhead, not sold on nested classes. "you can just do: Body Leg new. and in Body>>#Leg answer any class you want to play role as 'Leg'. Or you missing double colons in the middle? :) " I missed something here ? , in Ruby the syntax is: Body::Leg.new I guess you are saying that in Smalltalk I can just setup the accessors to return whatever plays the role of a Leg but part of the point is that the Leg class is defined within a Body class and I guess if you are looking a source file in Ruby that might be helpful :) i.e. class Body class Leg def method1 end end end The fact that Ruby and other language developers are not used to browser categories maybe makes this helpful in some way. -- View this message in context: http://forum.world.st/Nested-classes-tp3125667p3159885.html Sent from the Pharo Smalltalk Users mailing list archive at Nabble.com.

Dec. 21, 2010

Re: [Pharo-users] how to find all occurrances of a string in a package?

by Mariano Martinez Peck

On Tue, Dec 21, 2010 at 11:28 PM, Paul DeBruicker <pdebruic(a)gmail.com>wrote: > Hi - > > I'm trying to learn how to use the RBParseTreeSearcher. > > I'd like to find all the occurrances of the string 'tabs' in a package I've > written. > > That's something I would like to know also. What I always do is select the text (suppose 'tabs'), right click -> extended search -> method source with it the problem is that is seraches in all the image, not a particular package. So...having this, integrated in RB, and being able to select a scope would be awesome (maybe it is present already) ...update.... I have just check and there is something "literals matching" in RB....so maybe for literals at least it works. Maybe it would be nice to extend it so that it works like "method source with it". This functionality used to be too slow but with some optimizations from Levente now this is much faster. Is there something I can read to learn how to do that? > > Thanks > > Paul > >

Dec. 21, 2010

Re: [Pharo-users] Nested classes

by Stefan Marr

Automated personal recommendation: you like Smalltalk, you like nested classes: you will probably also like: Newspeak http://newspeaklanguage.org/ On 21 Dec 2010, at 06:32, Charles Monteiro wrote: > > Hi, perhaps a bit off topic, but I was wondering from those that brought > Traits to ST, what are their thoughts of the use of nested classes such as > used in Ruby and other languages. > > Good idea? If so should Smalltalk integrate these? Why? Why not ? > > thanks in advance > > -Charles > www.nycsmalltalk.org > -- > -- > View this message in context: http://forum.world.st/Nested-classes-tp3125667p3125667.html > Sent from the Pharo Smalltalk Users mailing list archive at Nabble.com. > -- Stefan Marr Software Languages Lab Vrije Universiteit Brussel Pleinlaan 2 / B-1050 Brussels / Belgium http://soft.vub.ac.be/~smarr Phone: +32 2 629 2974 Fax: +32 2 629 3525

Dec. 21, 2010

Re: [Pharo-users] minimal pharo image

by Mariano Martinez Peck

Hi Annick. You should know also that there is a lot of work arround pharo for having smaller images than Pharo kernel. The project is known as Seed, and Nicolas (cc'ed) may have someting else to say. Here I paste some slides: here <http://www.box.net/shared/mts4falj0h> Video: Seed project: The challenge of creating a Smalltalk kernel<http://www.fast.org.ar/smalltalks2010?_s=9ysAkhU9bp6j6bdh&_k=C_MQUCkj&22> cheers mariano On Tue, Dec 21, 2010 at 10:43 PM, Pat Maddox <patmaddox(a)me.com> wrote: > On Dec 20, 2010, at 3:20 AM, Annick Fron wrote: > > > Hi, > > > > I am looking for a minimal pharo image. Does anyone know how much file > space I need for a minimal image with smalltalk servlets and http at least, > or even Seaside ? > > > > Annick Fron > > I don't know the answer to that. You can download the PharoCore image from > http://pharo-project.org/pharo-download and install the packages you need. > > Pat > >

Dec. 21, 2010

Re: [Pharo-users] Nested classes

by Igor Stasenko

On 21 December 2010 23:21, Charles Monteiro <charles(a)nycsmalltalk.org> wrote: > > the first I heard of traits was indeed I believe from a paper by Stef's group > if I recall correctly. So that's exactly what I mean. > > Nested classes are an organizational and a "structural" construct. > > A nested class is defined from within an outer class. They are used when a > class is only likely to be instantiated (used) from within another class. > For example (just an example) , when you instantiate aBody you would want to > instantiate two legs but two legs outside the context of a body may not make > sense. > > So that seems of some value. > Frankly, nested classes/namespaces is userful to limit the scope of names. >From organizational/structural point of view it not so valuable. Because there is enough ways in smalltalk how to organize your model nicely without using extra dimension(s), such as nested classes. > You can also used it to simply group classes i.e. an outer class Drawing, > may specify inner classes Line, Circle, Rectangle etc. To instantiate an > inner class you need special access syntax in Ruby you would do something > like this: > > aCircle = Drawing::Circle.new > > ok, that's alright if I'm using nested classes to group. > > but you can also do this: > > aLeg = Body::Leg.new > you can just do: Body Leg new. and in Body>>#Leg answer any class you want to play role as 'Leg'. Or you missing double colons in the middle? :) > but wait I thought you it only made sense to instantiate a Leg from within > the context of a body. > > Anyhow, I sort of have mixed feelings about it i.e. if they are worth the > extra overhead. Not to mention that Smalltalk's IDE's are not setup to > handle them. File based IDE's of course don't care, they just care about the > source representation. This 'nested classes' to me look like nested namespace(s), and nothing more. I'd rather introduce namespaces in smalltalk rather than nested classes. But while having a long background of languages which having namespaces, i could not say that i miss them in smalltalk too much. I can group classes using categories, and that is enough from human perception perspective. Limiting the visibility scope and playing all that 'public/private' games - this is an overengineering. My 2c -- Best regards, Igor Stasenko AKA sig.

Dec. 21, 2010

how to find all occurrances of a string in a package?

by Paul DeBruicker

Hi - I'm trying to learn how to use the RBParseTreeSearcher. I'd like to find all the occurrances of the string 'tabs' in a package I've written. Is there something I can read to learn how to do that? Thanks Paul

Dec. 21, 2010

Re: [Pharo-users] Nested classes

by Charles Monteiro

the first I heard of traits was indeed I believe from a paper by Stef's group if I recall correctly. So that's exactly what I mean. Nested classes are an organizational and a "structural" construct. A nested class is defined from within an outer class. They are used when a class is only likely to be instantiated (used) from within another class. For example (just an example) , when you instantiate aBody you would want to instantiate two legs but two legs outside the context of a body may not make sense. So that seems of some value. You can also used it to simply group classes i.e. an outer class Drawing, may specify inner classes Line, Circle, Rectangle etc. To instantiate an inner class you need special access syntax in Ruby you would do something like this: aCircle = Drawing::Circle.new ok, that's alright if I'm using nested classes to group. but you can also do this: aLeg = Body::Leg.new but wait I thought you it only made sense to instantiate a Leg from within the context of a body. Anyhow, I sort of have mixed feelings about it i.e. if they are worth the extra overhead. Not to mention that Smalltalk's IDE's are not setup to handle them. File based IDE's of course don't care, they just care about the source representation. -Charles www.nycsmalltalk.org -- View this message in context: http://forum.world.st/Nested-classes-tp3125667p3159802.html Sent from the Pharo Smalltalk Users mailing list archive at Nabble.com.

Dec. 21, 2010

Re: [Pharo-users] Nested classes

by Mariano Martinez Peck

On Tue, Dec 21, 2010 at 6:32 AM, Charles Monteiro <charles(a)nycsmalltalk.org>wrote: > > Hi, perhaps a bit off topic, but I was wondering from those that brought > Traits to ST, just by ignorance.....weren't traits invented in smalltalk? > what are their thoughts of the use of nested classes such as > used in Ruby and other languages. > > what are "nested classes" in ruby? > Good idea? If so should Smalltalk integrate these? Why? Why not ? > > thanks in advance > > -Charles > www.nycsmalltalk.org > -- > -- > View this message in context: > http://forum.world.st/Nested-classes-tp3125667p3125667.html > Sent from the Pharo Smalltalk Users mailing list archive at Nabble.com. > >

Dec. 21, 2010

Re: [Pharo-users] minimal pharo image

by Pat Maddox

On Dec 20, 2010, at 3:20 AM, Annick Fron wrote: > Hi, > > I am looking for a minimal pharo image. Does anyone know how much file space I need for a minimal image with smalltalk servlets and http at least, or even Seaside ? > > Annick Fron I don't know the answer to that. You can download the PharoCore image from http://pharo-project.org/pharo-download and install the packages you need. Pat

Dec. 21, 2010

Re: [Pharo-users] Money AND Feature requests

by StÃ©phane Ducasse

On Dec 21, 2010, at 2:43 PM, andres wrote: > Hi, sorry again for the delay. The user voice account is ready to run; I created it with a new mail account (pharo.feature.requests) so that it is not bounded to a particular person. > > Regarding the money rising issue, do you think that an association such as ESUG of FAST could help here? I have zero experience on accounting but maybe it is possible to channel the contributions through them? we wanted to avoid to bother esug because else nasty people could say that it is helping too much pharo (even if esug manage the money for squeak over some long years). So not ESUG. This is why I should create a non profit association but it takes time. stef

Dec. 21, 2010

Re: [Pharo-users] Money AND Feature requests

by andres

Hi, sorry again for the delay. The user voice account is ready to run; I created it with a new mail account (pharo.feature.requests) so that it is not bounded to a particular person. Regarding the money rising issue, do you think that an association such as ESUG of FAST could help here? I have zero experience on accounting but maybe it is possible to channel the contributions through them? Cheers, AndrÃ©s StÃ©phane Ducasse escribiÃ³: > yes and for that you need an association... > > On Dec 14, 2010, at 8:50 PM, laurent laffont wrote: > >> It seems the bank account is the only obstacle to go forward ? >> >> Laurent >> >> On Mon, Dec 13, 2010 at 1:21 PM, andres <andres(a)lifia.info.unlp.edu.ar> wrote: >> Hi, sorry for being disconnected for a couple of days. >> >> I think the idea of raising money for supporting feature requests is really cool. And sure, I volunteer to setup a UserVoirce account. So, if we are all ok with it I'll be setting it up at some point between today and tomorrow. >> >> Regarding the founding process both kickstarter and pledgie looks nice. From the FAQ it seems that kickstarter needs an US bank account, don't know if that may be an issue. >> >> Cheers, >> AndrÃ©s >> >> laurent laffont escribiÃ³: >> >> Yes I think it's good to have a real Pharo entity / status / association loi >> 1901. >> >> For architecture, as AndrÃ©s said he/we can set a UserVoice. For raising >> money http://pledgie.com/. >> >> As for Flattr the idea is good but it seems to raise only little money >> actually (feedback from pharobyexample and pharocasts. But we haven't tried >> to encourage people to donate). >> >> Laurent. >> >> >> On Sat, Dec 11, 2010 at 10:20 AM, StÃ©phane Ducasse < >> stephane.ducasse(a)inria.fr> wrote: >> >> On Dec 10, 2010, at 11:00 PM, laurent laffont wrote: >> >> Thinking again about this idea of voting system for features we would >> like to see in Pharo. >> I won't pay 10 euros / month for someone to develop full time on Pharo on >> what I do not control (may not be the best words to explain my feelings :) >> But I'm ready to give 30 to 50 euros to raise money to develop the most >> wanted feature from a voting system. This give more visibility. >> It's easier to make a one shot donation than give XXeuros/month. >> Good! >> Tell us what architecture we can use for that. I should find some time to >> build a association of loi 1901 and get a paypal account for pharo. >> >> >> >> So one way to achieve this is to set up a voting system AND associated >> raising money system to develop the most wanted feature for one month. >> Another way is to pick the most wanted feature for Google Summer of code. >> Don't expect anything from it >> >> With enough money one can stop his work for one month and develop >> exclusively for Pharo. If it's too hard to raise money for one month, we can >> try 15 days. I've seen that some great developers can do fantastic stuff in >> 15 days when he loves it :) >> Laurent Laffont >> >> On Fri, Dec 10, 2010 at 3:29 PM, Igor Stasenko <siguctua(a)gmail.com> >> wrote: >> On 10 December 2010 13:32, Davorin Rusevljan >> <davorin.rusevljan(a)gmail.com> wrote: >> On Fri, Dec 10, 2010 at 1:06 PM, Alan Rodas <alanrodas(a)gmail.com> >> wrote: >> I'm relatively new to Pharo, maybe this has been tried before, but >> what >> about a forum where the ideas are published. >> Each idea could be a thread in the forum, and the people that would >> like to >> contribute may comment there. What it may be interesting is that the >> whole >> discussion about an idea could live in the thread, and you can keep >> track of >> old discussions and the state of a feature. >> If you keep your ideas for yourself, and you cannot implement >> something by >> your own, that idea will die there. If you allow people to comment on >> ideas, >> maybe two or more people have the same, and they can start working on >> it together. A forum allows for contacting people, and sharing, and, >> in that >> way, maybe the community will grow (Some developers feel they can do >> something because they don't have the time to do it by their own, or >> they >> don't have the skills, but they can help to a dev team that share the >> same >> goals.) >> >> >> Is just a thought. >> If you did it before and didn't work, my apologies. >> Well, those are all nice thoughts. I am also relatively new to Pharo >> though, I am with Smalltalk for quite a long time. In my humble >> opinion, while both are always nice to have, at this stage Pharo, much >> needs more hands willing to do the work, than hands filling the wish >> lists and voting about them. >> Abso-freakin-lutely! :) >> >> The Pharo team did marvelous job, I assume with a lot of investment of >> their personal time and energy. They also did quite good job at >> setting their targets since they already managed at transforming huge >> but sometimes hectic Squeak core into consistent development product. >> >> The way things currently work nicely reflect this, you can freely >> float your ideas on the mailing list, but do not expect that someone >> else should do it just because of that. But the better the idea is, >> and the larger your contribution to Pharo is, chances of it being >> implemented will rise. Otherwise, roll up your sleeves, and do it for >> yourself. If that is too complicated, consider doing something else >> simpler but usefull. >> >> I am always discussing ideas before going to implement them. >> And for things i do, if i not sure if i doing the best way, or there >> are multiple 'nice' >> ways to solve the problem, i asking people, what they prefer. >> In that way people staying in course of what i do, and sometimes could >> give an advice or help by >> other means. >> But i don't expecting much, because we all busy with own agendas. >> >> rush >> http://www.cloud208.com/ >> >> -- >> Best regards, >> Igor Stasenko AKA sig. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > >

Dec. 21, 2010

Nested classes

by Charles Monteiro

Hi, perhaps a bit off topic, but I was wondering from those that brought Traits to ST, what are their thoughts of the use of nested classes such as used in Ruby and other languages. Good idea? If so should Smalltalk integrate these? Why? Why not ? thanks in advance -Charles www.nycsmalltalk.org -- -- View this message in context: http://forum.world.st/Nested-classes-tp3125667p3125667.html Sent from the Pharo Smalltalk Users mailing list archive at Nabble.com.

Dec. 21, 2010

Re: [Pharo-users] Z3950 on OSX: module yaz3 not found

by laurent laffont

Hi Hernan, the strace equivalent on OSX seems to be dtruss (yes I'm learning OSX too :) sudo dtruss -p [pid of process] in the trace I have this: stat("/Users/laurentlaffont/Downloads/Seaside.app/Contents/Resources/yaz3.bundle/Contents/MacOS/yaz3\0", 0xBFF59440, 0xBFF5AB28) = -1 Err#2 stat64("/Users/laurentlaffont/Downloads/Seaside.app/Contents/Resources/yaz3.bundle/Contents/MacOS/yaz3\0", 0xBFF5892C, 0xBFF5AB28) = -1 Err#2 stat("/Users/laurentlaffont/Downloads/Seaside.app/Contents/Resources/yaz3\0", 0xBFF59440, 0xBFF5AB28) = 0 0 stat64("/Users/laurentlaffont/Downloads/Seaside.app/Contents/Resources/yaz3\0", 0xBFF5892C, 0xBFF5AB28) = 0 0 open("/Users/laurentlaffont/Downloads/Seaside.app/Contents/Resources/yaz3\0", 0x0, 0x0) = 12 0 pread(0xC, "\317\372\355\376\a\0", 0x1000, 0x0) = 4096 0 close(0xC) = 0 0 stat("/Users/laurentlaffont/Downloads/Plugins/yaz3.bundle/Contents/MacOS/yaz3\0", 0xBFF59440, 0x1000) = -1 Err#2 stat64("/Users/laurentlaffont/Downloads/Plugins/yaz3.bundle/Contents/MacOS/yaz3\0", 0xBFF5892C, 0x1000) = -1 Err#2 stat("/Users/laurentlaffont/Downloads/Plugins/yaz3\0", 0xBFF59440, 0x1000) = -1 Err#2 stat64("/Users/laurentlaffont/Downloads/Plugins/yaz3\0", 0xBFF5892C, 0x1000) = -1 Err#2 so it looks like the VM is trying to find yaz3 at non standard Unix places (I don't know if it's SqueakVM or OSX related). I've created Contents/Resources/yaz3.bundle/Contents/MacOS/, put yaz lib there, ln -s libyaz.3.dylib yaz3 but no success. I've read good post http://forum.world.st/FFI-Documentation-td2225150.html : Module Location - where the external library file lives - depends on the platform - Mac - pre Snow Leopard - checks VM path and common library paths - Snow Leopard - only looks in VM bundle's Resources file, you must either [5]: - store all external libraries there - ln -s path/to/library path/to/VM/Resources/library_name - Change the VM's Info.plist "SqueakPluginsBuiltInOrLocalOnly" key from "true" to "false." For this SqueakPluginsBuiltInOrLocalOnly I suppose I need to compile a VM ? Cheers, Laurent Laffont On Mon, Dec 20, 2010 at 4:12 PM, HernÃ¡n Morales Durand < hernan.morales(a)gmail.com> wrote: > Hi Laurent > > I've read there is a couple of system calll monitors in MacOS, ktrace > and dtrace (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ktrace , > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DTrace) so you may attach to the VM and > see what's missing? > Cheers, > > HernÃ¡n > > 2010/12/20 laurent laffont <laurent.laffont(a)gmail.com>: > > Thanks Hernan. > > It still doesn't work. I've also tried to play with LD_LOAD_PATH / > > LD_LIBRARY_PATH no success.... I want to make it work so I need to learn > :) > > > > For the mangled function names, on Linux and OSX there's nm. > > Here's what I get: > > $ nm -g libyaz.3.dylib | grep ZOOM_connection_create > > 0000000000046a30 T _ZOOM_connection_create > > Cheers, > > Laurent > > > > On Sun, Dec 19, 2010 at 6:23 PM, HernÃ¡n Morales Durand > > <hernan.morales(a)gmail.com> wrote: > >> > >> Hi Laurent, > >> > >> Thanks for reporting. The correct #moduleName for MacOS was missing, > >> I've uploaded a new version answering 'libyaz.3.dylib' which I guess > >> is the corresponding for 'yaz3.dll' (according to > >> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dynamic_library#Naming ). > >> > >> I haven't access to a MacOS, but in Windows I've had to find the > >> mangled function names (i.e. _ZOOM_connection_create@4) so FFI can > >> find the function addresses and you don't get the classic "Error: > >> Unable to find function address". I don't know if it's related since > >> talks about C++, but you may want to check > >> http://wiki.squeak.org/squeak/3735 > >> > >> The tool I've used to find the mangled function names in Windows is > >> the Steve Miller's Dependency Walker http://www.dependencywalker.com/ > >> > >> 2010/12/19 laurent laffont <laurent.laffont(a)gmail.com>: > >> > Hi, > >> > > >> > I want to use http://www.squeaksource.com/Z3950 > >> > Following install instructions, I've dowloaded yaz sources (I've tried > >> > 4.1.2 > >> > and 3.0.52) as it seems there's no binary for OSX, ./configure && make > >> > && > >> > make install. > >> > Then using latest Seaside One Click image I've copied > >> > /usr/local/lib/*yaz* > >> > in Seaside.app/Contents/MacOS > >> > $ ls ~/Downloads/Seaside.app/Contents/MacOS/ > >> > Squeak VM Opt libyaz.a libyaz.la > >> > libyaz_icu.a libyaz_icu.la libyaz_server.a > >> > libyaz_server.la libyaz.3.dylib libyaz.dylib > >> > libyaz_icu.3.dylib libyaz_icu.dylib libyaz_server.3.dylib > >> > libyaz_server.dylib > >> > > >> > > >> > But then I have a External Module Not Found on > >> > YAZPQFFFILibrary>>createParser > >> > " YAZPQDFFILibrary default createParser " > >> > <cdecl: YAZPQFParser 'yaz_pqf_create' (void) module: 'yaz3'> > >> > ^ self externalCallFailed > >> > > >> > Any hint ? > >> > Cheers, > >> > Laurent Laffont -- FFI newbie > >> > > >> > Pharo Smalltalk Screencasts: http://www.pharocasts.com/ > >> > Blog: http://magaloma.blogspot.com/ > >> > > >> > >> -- > >> HernÃ¡n Morales > >> Information Technology Manager, > >> Institute of Veterinary Genetics. > >> National Scientific and Technical Research Council (CONICET). > >> La Plata (1900), Buenos Aires, Argentina. > >> Telephone: +54 (0221) 421-1799. > >> Internal: 422 > >> Fax: 425-7980 or 421-1799. > > > > >

Dec. 20, 2010

Re: [Pharo-users] Z3950 on OSX: module yaz3 not found

by HernÃ¡n Morales Durand

Hi Laurent I've read there is a couple of system calll monitors in MacOS, ktrace and dtrace (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ktrace , http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DTrace) so you may attach to the VM and see what's missing? Cheers, HernÃ¡n 2010/12/20 laurent laffont <laurent.laffont(a)gmail.com>: > Thanks Hernan. > It still doesn't work. I've also tried to play with LD_LOAD_PATH / > LD_LIBRARY_PATH no success.... I want to make it work so I need to learn :) > > For the mangled function names, on Linux and OSX there's nm. > Here's what I get: > $ nm -g libyaz.3.dylib | grep ZOOM_connection_create > 0000000000046a30 T _ZOOM_connection_create > Cheers, > Laurent > > On Sun, Dec 19, 2010 at 6:23 PM, HernÃ¡n Morales Durand > <hernan.morales(a)gmail.com> wrote: >> >> Hi Laurent, >> >> Thanks for reporting. The correct #moduleName for MacOS was missing, >> I've uploaded a new version answering 'libyaz.3.dylib' which I guess >> is the corresponding for 'yaz3.dll' (according to >> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dynamic_library#Naming ). >> >> I haven't access to a MacOS, but in Windows I've had to find the >> mangled function names (i.e. _ZOOM_connection_create@4) so FFI can >> find the function addresses and you don't get the classic "Error: >> Unable to find function address". I don't know if it's related since >> talks about C++, but you may want to check >> http://wiki.squeak.org/squeak/3735 >> >> The tool I've used to find the mangled function names in Windows is >> the Steve Miller's Dependency Walker http://www.dependencywalker.com/ >> >> 2010/12/19 laurent laffont <laurent.laffont(a)gmail.com>: >> > Hi, >> > >> > I want to useÂ http://www.squeaksource.com/Z3950 >> > Following install instructions, I've dowloaded yaz sources (I've tried >> > 4.1.2 >> > and 3.0.52) as it seems there's no binary for OSX, ./configure &&Â make >> > && >> > make install. >> > Then using latest Seaside One Click image I've copied >> > /usr/local/lib/*yaz* >> > Â in Seaside.app/Contents/MacOS >> > $ ls ~/Downloads/Seaside.app/Contents/MacOS/ >> > Squeak VM Opt Â Â Â Â libyaz.a Â Â Â Â Â Â Â libyaz.la >> > libyaz_icu.a Â Â Â Â Â libyaz_icu.la Â Â Â Â libyaz_server.a >> > libyaz_server.laÂ libyaz.3.dylib Â Â Â Â libyaz.dylib >> > Â libyaz_icu.3.dylib Â Â libyaz_icu.dylib Â Â Â libyaz_server.3.dylib >> > libyaz_server.dylib >> > >> > >> > But then I have a External Module Not Found on >> > YAZPQFFFILibrary>>createParser >> > " YAZPQDFFILibrary default createParser " >> > <cdecl: YAZPQFParser 'yaz_pqf_create' (void) module: 'yaz3'> >> > ^ self externalCallFailed >> > >> > Any hint ? >> > Cheers, >> > Laurent Laffont -- FFI newbie >> > >> > Pharo Smalltalk Screencasts: http://www.pharocasts.com/ >> > Blog: http://magaloma.blogspot.com/ >> > >> >> -- >> HernÃ¡n Morales >> Information Technology Manager, >> Institute of Veterinary Genetics. >> National Scientific and Technical Research Council (CONICET). >> La Plata (1900), Buenos Aires, Argentina. >> Telephone: +54 (0221) 421-1799. >> Internal: 422 >> Fax: 425-7980 or 421-1799. > >

Dec. 20, 2010

Pharo on Linux 64bit system (Alan Rodas)Re:

by Paul DeBruicker

On 12/20/2010 02:16 AM, pharo-users-request(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr wrote: > Message: 4 > Date: Sun, 19 Dec 2010 23:18:21 -0300 > From: Alan Rodas<alanrodas(a)gmail.com> > Subject: [Pharo-users] Pharo on Linux 64bit system > To: A friendly place where any question about pharo is welcome > <pharo-users(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr> > Message-ID: > <AANLkTi=KCPg15Zht3omD2TYQFBmhEN87PgOSVmk3iWWX(a)mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > > Hello, I recently updated my system to a 64bit one I had trouble running > Pharo. > I made the one click image run by adding manually the missing libraries to > /usr/lib32 but its quite annoing to do that. > So I would like to ask > > Is there a 64 bit vm? > Is there a linux package that contains all necessary lib files to run Pharo > in a 64 bit linux? > > I made a zip file with all this libraries so if there's nothing better let > me know and I will upload it. > > Cheers > -- > Alan Rodas Bonjour I don't think there is an actively maintained 64 bit vm. On 64bit systems you just need to load the 32bit libs by installing the package 'ia32-libs'. On Debian and Ubuntu you can just apt-get install ia32-libs then the one-click app will work just fine. I imagine its the same package name on other distros but I don't know for sure.

Dec. 20, 2010

minimal pharo image

by Annick Fron

Hi, I am looking for a minimal pharo image. Does anyone know how much file space I need for a minimal image with smalltalk servlets and http at least, or even Seaside ? Annick Fron

Dec. 20, 2010

Incorrect cursor behavior in right-to-left scripts

by Alex Albitov

Hi all, I noted incorrect cursor behavior in right-to-left script. When right-to-left script (Hebrew for example) is used the cursor should not advance to next character, but stay in its position and let the characters advance as the text is being inserted. Does anybody knows how to change the cursor's behavior? Thank you, Alex Albitov

Dec. 20, 2010

Re: [Pharo-users] Z3950 on OSX: module yaz3 not found

by laurent laffont

Thanks Hernan. It still doesn't work. I've also tried to play with LD_LOAD_PATH / LD_LIBRARY_PATH no success.... I want to make it work so I need to learn :) For the mangled function names, on Linux and OSX there's nm. Here's what I get: $ nm -g libyaz.3.dylib | grep ZOOM_connection_create 0000000000046a30 T _ZOOM_connection_create Cheers, Laurent On Sun, Dec 19, 2010 at 6:23 PM, HernÃ¡n Morales Durand < hernan.morales(a)gmail.com> wrote: > Hi Laurent, > > Thanks for reporting. The correct #moduleName for MacOS was missing, > I've uploaded a new version answering 'libyaz.3.dylib' which I guess > is the corresponding for 'yaz3.dll' (according to > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dynamic_library#Naming ). > > I haven't access to a MacOS, but in Windows I've had to find the > mangled function names (i.e. _ZOOM_connection_create@4) so FFI can > find the function addresses and you don't get the classic "Error: > Unable to find function address". I don't know if it's related since > talks about C++, but you may want to check > http://wiki.squeak.org/squeak/3735 > > The tool I've used to find the mangled function names in Windows is > the Steve Miller's Dependency Walker http://www.dependencywalker.com/ > > 2010/12/19 laurent laffont <laurent.laffont(a)gmail.com>: > > Hi, > > > > I want to use http://www.squeaksource.com/Z3950 > > Following install instructions, I've dowloaded yaz sources (I've tried > 4.1.2 > > and 3.0.52) as it seems there's no binary for OSX, ./configure && make && > > make install. > > Then using latest Seaside One Click image I've copied > /usr/local/lib/*yaz* > > in Seaside.app/Contents/MacOS > > $ ls ~/Downloads/Seaside.app/Contents/MacOS/ > > Squeak VM Opt libyaz.a libyaz.la > > libyaz_icu.a libyaz_icu.la libyaz_server.a > > libyaz_server.la libyaz.3.dylib libyaz.dylib > > libyaz_icu.3.dylib libyaz_icu.dylib libyaz_server.3.dylib > > libyaz_server.dylib > > > > > > But then I have a External Module Not Found on > > YAZPQFFFILibrary>>createParser > > " YAZPQDFFILibrary default createParser " > > <cdecl: YAZPQFParser 'yaz_pqf_create' (void) module: 'yaz3'> > > ^ self externalCallFailed > > > > Any hint ? > > Cheers, > > Laurent Laffont -- FFI newbie > > > > Pharo Smalltalk Screencasts: http://www.pharocasts.com/ > > Blog: http://magaloma.blogspot.com/ > > > > -- > HernÃ¡n Morales > Information Technology Manager, > Institute of Veterinary Genetics. > National Scientific and Technical Research Council (CONICET). > La Plata (1900), Buenos Aires, Argentina. > Telephone: +54 (0221) 421-1799. > Internal: 422 > Fax: 425-7980 or 421-1799. >

Dec. 20, 2010

Re: [Pharo-users] [Pharo-project] serial driver

by Lukas Renggli

On Unix/Linux systems you can just read/write the respective device files. That worked in my case. Lukas On 19 December 2010 23:04, Mariano Martinez Peck <marianopeck(a)gmail.com> wrote: > I have no idea. Maybe in pharo-dev someone can help you. > > cheers > > mariano > > On Fri, Dec 17, 2010 at 2:32 PM, Annick Fron <info(a)afceurope.com> wrote: >> >> Hi; >> >> Is there a serial driver for linux in Pharo ? >> >> Annick Fron >> > > -- Lukas Renggli www.lukas-renggli.ch

Dec. 20, 2010