November 2010 - Pharo-users

hi all

by HERM1T

i`m new in using ubuntu OS. how can i install pharo on it?? -- View this message in context: http://forum.world.st/hi-all-tp3032836p3032836.html Sent from the Pharo Smalltalk Users mailing list archive at Nabble.com.

Nov. 8, 2010

Re: [Pharo-users] Code Organization: story boarding

by James Ashley

On Sun, Nov 7, 2010 at 3:51 AM, StÃ©phane Ducasse <stephane.ducasse(a)inria.fr> wrote: > did you look at Sophie Looking back, I see that my question was very badly worded and far too concrete. Let's suppose that I have multiple projects that are big, nasty, enterprise-level pieces of complexity. What's the Smalltalk "way" of dealing with them? I'm inclined to think that I should create multiple images, one for each instance of "nastiness." But I fear that's just my naive clueless n00bism rushing in, whining about not having name spaces. So how do experts deal with this issue? Thank you, James > > Stef > > On Nov 7, 2010, at 3:50 AM, James Ashley wrote: > >> This is a problem I haven't ever been able to even really even been >> able to contemplate expressing in another language. Yet again, my >> apologies if this is the wrong forum for such a discussion. >> >> I'd like to be able to write a program that allows me to plot out a >> "story board" for a series of books. The details are pretty nebulous >> at this point. >> >> I'm imagining a series of classes that include things like a TimeLine, >> Characters, Map, and Scenes. It seems to me that each Scene would need >> some sort of instance of each Character--his/her outfit, etc. >> >> Now, assuming I were some sort of amazingly prolific writer, it seems >> like I'd wind up with a huge collection of Packages to wander through. >> Especially if I started trying to mix and match characters. "For this >> book, I'd like to use Santa Claus *and* the Easter Bunny"...characters >> I created for earlier books that belonged separate packages, back >> then. And probably will again, for my next book. >> >> I'm actually thinking of a website that allows authors to set up >> story-boarding scenarios. Which would mean creating class hierarchies >> like this behind the scenes. Making RDBMS entries works, sort of, but >> that just doesn't really cut the mustard. >> >> What's the idiomatic way to handle something like this? (Yes, it's all >> theoretical...I'm a lousy fiction writer). Multiple images, importing >> the bits and pieces that make sense for a given project? >> >> Thanks, >> James >>

Nov. 8, 2010

Re: [Pharo-users] Code Organization: story boarding

by James Ashley

On Sun, Nov 7, 2010 at 3:51 AM, StÃ©phane Ducasse <stephane.ducasse(a)inria.fr> wrote: > did you look at Sophie I'm still trying to get the basics under my belt. Thank you for the pointer. -- James

Nov. 7, 2010

Re: [Pharo-users] Code Organization: story boarding

by StÃ©phane Ducasse

did you look at Sophie Stef On Nov 7, 2010, at 3:50 AM, James Ashley wrote: > This is a problem I haven't ever been able to even really even been > able to contemplate expressing in another language. Yet again, my > apologies if this is the wrong forum for such a discussion. > > I'd like to be able to write a program that allows me to plot out a > "story board" for a series of books. The details are pretty nebulous > at this point. > > I'm imagining a series of classes that include things like a TimeLine, > Characters, Map, and Scenes. It seems to me that each Scene would need > some sort of instance of each Character--his/her outfit, etc. > > Now, assuming I were some sort of amazingly prolific writer, it seems > like I'd wind up with a huge collection of Packages to wander through. > Especially if I started trying to mix and match characters. "For this > book, I'd like to use Santa Claus *and* the Easter Bunny"...characters > I created for earlier books that belonged separate packages, back > then. And probably will again, for my next book. > > I'm actually thinking of a website that allows authors to set up > story-boarding scenarios. Which would mean creating class hierarchies > like this behind the scenes. Making RDBMS entries works, sort of, but > that just doesn't really cut the mustard. > > What's the idiomatic way to handle something like this? (Yes, it's all > theoretical...I'm a lousy fiction writer). Multiple images, importing > the bits and pieces that make sense for a given project? > > Thanks, > James > > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-users mailing list > Pharo-users(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-users

Nov. 7, 2010

Code Organization: story boarding

by James Ashley

This is a problem I haven't ever been able to even really even been able to contemplate expressing in another language. Yet again, my apologies if this is the wrong forum for such a discussion. I'd like to be able to write a program that allows me to plot out a "story board" for a series of books. The details are pretty nebulous at this point. I'm imagining a series of classes that include things like a TimeLine, Characters, Map, and Scenes. It seems to me that each Scene would need some sort of instance of each Character--his/her outfit, etc. Now, assuming I were some sort of amazingly prolific writer, it seems like I'd wind up with a huge collection of Packages to wander through. Especially if I started trying to mix and match characters. "For this book, I'd like to use Santa Claus *and* the Easter Bunny"...characters I created for earlier books that belonged separate packages, back then. And probably will again, for my next book. I'm actually thinking of a website that allows authors to set up story-boarding scenarios. Which would mean creating class hierarchies like this behind the scenes. Making RDBMS entries works, sort of, but that just doesn't really cut the mustard. What's the idiomatic way to handle something like this? (Yes, it's all theoretical...I'm a lousy fiction writer). Multiple images, importing the bits and pieces that make sense for a given project? Thanks, James

Nov. 7, 2010

Re: [Pharo-users] Another Halo Question (complete newbie)

by James Ashley

On Wed, Nov 3, 2010 at 6:46 AM, StÃ©phane Ducasse <stephane.ducasse(a)inria.fr> wrote: > > On Nov 3, 2010, at 12:33 PM, James Ashley wrote: > >> >> I'm starting to think this may be some sort of bug with the linux >> version. I get the impression that the Squeak developers were heavily >> tilted toward linux. > > not really since we were a lot of squeakers moving to pharo and on mac. OK, cool. That makes me feel a lot safer about my suspicions. So I'll keep doing what I can to learn, and contribute back if I actually get that far. Is there some sort of reference about why the fork was made? I'm sure there were a lot of politics (icck) involved), and pharo feels a lot more solid than squeak ever did, but I'm curious about the real reasons. The website's "we felt the project was moving in the wrong direction" just implies a lot without really saying anything. I don't want to dig skeletons out of the closet or bring up any old hard feelings. I'm just curious. Thank you, James

Nov. 6, 2010

Re: [Pharo-users] Is there an "official" Glorp project/package?

by Mariano Martinez Peck

On Fri, Nov 5, 2010 at 1:18 PM, T. Edwin King <kizzle42(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > Thanks Mariano and Steph for replies. > > >> > >> So is there an "official" Glorp project (I use the term loosely)? > >> > > > The problem is what you mean by official. I take care about making > > GlorpDBX/SqueakDBX to work (and develop) on Pharo, and I am a pharo > > developer also. Is that "official" enought? > > From the original Glorp developers, there is no Pharo support. WE have to > > take care. > > > I suggest you to read: http://www.squeakdbx.org/GLORP integration > > That's good enough for me. I'm most familiar with VisualWorks (I used to > work professionally with it and it's ancestry "back in the day"), but I > have > become more interested in Pharo recently due to my frustration with the > fact > that VW 7.7.x will not run on OS X 64-bit kernel mode. So I'm just trying > to find some familiar ground with Glorp and Seaside to help me get used to > Pharo. > Excellent and welcome :) For Glorp, we also have connection pool that can be easily used in Seaside if you want. But be aware of something: FFI DOES NOT work with 64 bits! So...if you have a 64bits OS, you have to install the 32bits libraries of the database, of OpenDBX, and the squeakVM. I guess you know this because you make it work. > > >> > >> I have succeeded in getting ConfigurationOfGlorpDBX 1.3 up and running > in > >> a > >> Pharo 1.1.1 image with CogVM, against PostgreSQL and Sqlite3, on MacOS X > >> in > >> 64-bit kernel mode no less. > > > > WOW! you make it work with SqueakDBX, with Cog, against PostgreSQL and > > Sqlite3, and using 64bits, without asking a single question??? wow, you > > are > > good :) > > That's kind of you to say, but I found most of the info I needed to get > OpenDBX working on OS X 64-bit from the SqueakDBX website ;) > THanks. I try to keep it up to date and with more information as possible. The website is done with Pier, so in case you want to help us to improve, just let me know and I give you a user :) > Plus, while I'm a relative newcomer to Mac OS, I have been a pro software > developer for 16+ years and have worked with a lot of OS's and languages in > that time. > Excellent :) > > Regards, > T. Edwin King > > -- > View this message in context: > http://forum.world.st/Is-there-an-official-Glorp-project-package-tp3027707p… > Sent from the Pharo Smalltalk Users mailing list archive at Nabble.com. > > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-users mailing list > Pharo-users(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-users >

Nov. 5, 2010

Re: [Pharo-users] Is there an "official" Glorp project/package?

by T. Edwin King

Thanks Mariano and Steph for replies. >> >> So is there an "official" Glorp project (I use the term loosely)? >> > The problem is what you mean by official. I take care about making > GlorpDBX/SqueakDBX to work (and develop) on Pharo, and I am a pharo > developer also. Is that "official" enought? > From the original Glorp developers, there is no Pharo support. WE have to > take care. > I suggest you to read: http://www.squeakdbx.org/GLORP integration That's good enough for me. I'm most familiar with VisualWorks (I used to work professionally with it and it's ancestry "back in the day"), but I have become more interested in Pharo recently due to my frustration with the fact that VW 7.7.x will not run on OS X 64-bit kernel mode. So I'm just trying to find some familiar ground with Glorp and Seaside to help me get used to Pharo. >> >> I have succeeded in getting ConfigurationOfGlorpDBX 1.3 up and running in >> a >> Pharo 1.1.1 image with CogVM, against PostgreSQL and Sqlite3, on MacOS X >> in >> 64-bit kernel mode no less. > WOW! you make it work with SqueakDBX, with Cog, against PostgreSQL and > Sqlite3, and using 64bits, without asking a single question??? wow, you > are > good :) That's kind of you to say, but I found most of the info I needed to get OpenDBX working on OS X 64-bit from the SqueakDBX website ;) Plus, while I'm a relative newcomer to Mac OS, I have been a pro software developer for 16+ years and have worked with a lot of OS's and languages in that time. Regards, T. Edwin King -- View this message in context: http://forum.world.st/Is-there-an-official-Glorp-project-package-tp3027707p… Sent from the Pharo Smalltalk Users mailing list archive at Nabble.com.

Nov. 5, 2010

Re: [Pharo-users] Is there an "official" Glorp project/package?

by Mariano Martinez Peck

On Thu, Nov 4, 2010 at 5:17 PM, T. Edwin King <kizzle42(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > Forgive me if this is the incorrect forum for Glorp, but I'm interested in > Pharo and not Squeak. > Hi Edwin. This is a good place. In addition, for GLorpDBX/SqueakDBX specific questions you can also use our own mainling list.But this is fine here too. > > It seems that there are multiple projects around for Glorp (on > Squeaksource), and there appears to be differences in what is available > (particularly Ramon Leon's MagritteGlorp/GlorpSeaside and ActiveRecord). > Yes, but as far as I understood those where just some development from Ramon. > > So is there an "official" Glorp project (I use the term loosely)? > The problem is what you mean by official. I take care about making GlorpDBX/SqueakDBX to work (and develop) on Pharo, and I am a pharo developer also. Is that "official" enought? >From the original Glorp developers, there is no Pharo support. WE have to take care. I suggest you to read: http://www.squeakdbx.org/GLORP integration > > I have succeeded in getting ConfigurationOfGlorpDBX 1.3 up and running in a > Pharo 1.1.1 image with CogVM, against PostgreSQL and Sqlite3, on MacOS X in > 64-bit kernel mode no less. WOW! you make it work with SqueakDBX, with Cog, against PostgreSQL and Sqlite3, and using 64bits, without asking a single question??? wow, you are good :) > And the GlorpTests mostly run except for 8 or > 9. But I don't see the same packages/classes as those that are available > in > the Glorp project. > No. GlorpDBX is a fork of Glorp. Here are the explanations of why: http://www.squeakdbx.org/GLORP integration Best regards, Mariano > > Regards, > TEK > -- > View this message in context: > http://forum.world.st/Is-there-an-official-Glorp-project-package-tp3027707p… > Sent from the Pharo Smalltalk Users mailing list archive at Nabble.com. > > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-users mailing list > Pharo-users(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-users >

Nov. 4, 2010

Re: [Pharo-users] Is there an "official" Glorp project/package?

by StÃ©phane Ducasse

> Forgive me if this is the incorrect forum for Glorp, this is not! This is the right place to ask such question. > but I'm interested in > Pharo and not Squeak. > > It seems that there are multiple projects around for Glorp (on > Squeaksource), and there appears to be differences in what is available > (particularly Ramon Leon's MagritteGlorp/GlorpSeaside and ActiveRecord). > > So is there an "official" Glorp project (I use the term loosely)? I will let other comment. > I have succeeded in getting ConfigurationOfGlorpDBX 1.3 up and running in a > Pharo 1.1.1 image with CogVM, against PostgreSQL and Sqlite3, on MacOS X in > 64-bit kernel mode no less. And the GlorpTests mostly run except for 8 or > 9. good to know. > But I don't see the same packages/classes as those that are available in > the Glorp project. > > Regards, > TEK > -- > View this message in context: http://forum.world.st/Is-there-an-official-Glorp-project-package-tp3027707p… > Sent from the Pharo Smalltalk Users mailing list archive at Nabble.com. > > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-users mailing list > Pharo-users(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-users

Nov. 4, 2010