Apparently "Growl" is the name of Mac notification. But me, that never used Mac, I don't know that. I think I am not the only one in that case. If it's not just my ignorance, I propose to rename "Growl" as "Popup dialog" or "Popup" or "Popup dialog/Growl". What do you thing guys ? If you think as me I will open an issue. -- Cyril Ferlicot http://www.synectique.eu 165 Avenue Bretagne Lille 59000 France
Hi I think it should not be named âdialogâ and âpopupâ is too generic. How about âPopupInfoâ? Doru
On Jan 15, 2016, at 10:11 PM, Ferlicot D. Cyril <cyril.ferlicot@gmail.com> wrote:
Apparently "Growl" is the name of Mac notification. But me, that never used Mac, I don't know that. I think I am not the only one in that case.
If it's not just my ignorance, I propose to rename "Growl" as "Popup dialog" or "Popup" or "Popup dialog/Growl".
What do you thing guys ? If you think as me I will open an issue.
-- Cyril Ferlicot
165 Avenue Bretagne Lille 59000 France
-- www.tudorgirba.com www.feenk.com "Every now and then stop and ask yourself if the war you're fighting is the right one."
NotificationMorph | NotifierMorph | InformationMorph ? Best regards, Henrik -----Original Message----- From: Pharo-dev [mailto:pharo-dev-bounces@lists.pharo.org] On Behalf Of Tudor Girba Sent: Friday, January 15, 2016 10:21 PM To: Pharo Development List <pharo-dev@lists.pharo.org> Subject: Re: [Pharo-dev] Growl setting name Hi I think it should not be named âdialogâ and âpopupâ is too generic. How about âPopupInfoâ? Doru
On Jan 15, 2016, at 10:11 PM, Ferlicot D. Cyril <cyril.ferlicot@gmail.com> wrote:
Apparently "Growl" is the name of Mac notification. But me, that never used Mac, I don't know that. I think I am not the only one in that case.
If it's not just my ignorance, I propose to rename "Growl" as "Popup dialog" or "Popup" or "Popup dialog/Growl".
What do you thing guys ? If you think as me I will open an issue.
-- Cyril Ferlicot
165 Avenue Bretagne Lille 59000 France
-- www.tudorgirba.com www.feenk.com "Every now and then stop and ask yourself if the war you're fighting is the right one."
On 15 Jan 2016, at 22:25, Henrik Nergaard <henrik.nergaard@uia.no> wrote:
NotificationMorph | NotifierMorph | InformationMorph ?
+1
Best regards, Henrik
-----Original Message----- From: Pharo-dev [mailto:pharo-dev-bounces@lists.pharo.org] On Behalf Of Tudor Girba Sent: Friday, January 15, 2016 10:21 PM To: Pharo Development List <pharo-dev@lists.pharo.org> Subject: Re: [Pharo-dev] Growl setting name
Hi
I think it should not be named âdialogâ and âpopupâ is too generic.
How about âPopupInfoâ?
Doru
On Jan 15, 2016, at 10:11 PM, Ferlicot D. Cyril <cyril.ferlicot@gmail.com> wrote:
Apparently "Growl" is the name of Mac notification. But me, that never used Mac, I don't know that. I think I am not the only one in that case.
If it's not just my ignorance, I propose to rename "Growl" as "Popup dialog" or "Popup" or "Popup dialog/Growl".
What do you thing guys ? If you think as me I will open an issue.
-- Cyril Ferlicot
165 Avenue Bretagne Lille 59000 France
-- www.tudorgirba.com www.feenk.com
"Every now and then stop and ask yourself if the war you're fighting is the right one."
Le 15/01/2016 22:25, Henrik Nergaard a écrit :
NotificationMorph | NotifierMorph | InformationMorph ?
Best regards, Henrik
Since Morph will be replace by Bloc I don't know if it's wise to name things with "Morph". -- Cyril Ferlicot http://www.synectique.eu 165 Avenue Bretagne Lille 59000 France
The underlying class and implementation relies on Morph and since it is also a subclass of Morph, should end with the Morph postfix. Had the implementation used Bloc or similar I would expect it to be named ...Bloc or ...Brick to signal this. Best regards, Henrik -----Original Message----- From: Pharo-dev [mailto:pharo-dev-bounces@lists.pharo.org] On Behalf Of Ferlicot D. Cyril Sent: Friday, January 15, 2016 10:32 PM To: pharo-dev@lists.pharo.org Subject: Re: [Pharo-dev] Growl setting name Le 15/01/2016 22:25, Henrik Nergaard a écrit :
NotificationMorph | NotifierMorph | InformationMorph ?
Best regards, Henrik
Since Morph will be replace by Bloc I don't know if it's wise to name things with "Morph". -- Cyril Ferlicot http://www.synectique.eu 165 Avenue Bretagne Lille 59000 France
I clearly would use Notification as part of the name, and not Growl. NotificationPopup? On Fri, Jan 15, 2016 at 6:42 PM, Henrik Nergaard <henrik.nergaard@uia.no> wrote:
The underlying class and implementation relies on Morph and since it is also a subclass of Morph, should end with the Morph postfix. Had the implementation used Bloc or similar I would expect it to be named ...Bloc or ...Brick to signal this.
Best regards, Henrik
-----Original Message----- From: Pharo-dev [mailto:pharo-dev-bounces@lists.pharo.org] On Behalf Of Ferlicot D. Cyril Sent: Friday, January 15, 2016 10:32 PM To: pharo-dev@lists.pharo.org Subject: Re: [Pharo-dev] Growl setting name
Le 15/01/2016 22:25, Henrik Nergaard a écrit :
NotificationMorph | NotifierMorph | InformationMorph ?
Best regards, Henrik
Since Morph will be replace by Bloc I don't know if it's wise to name things with "Morph".
-- Cyril Ferlicot
165 Avenue Bretagne Lille 59000 France
-- Mariano http://marianopeck.wordpress.com
Le 15/01/2016 22:51, Mariano Martinez Peck a écrit :
I clearly would use Notification as part of the name, and not Growl. NotificationPopup?
I love this one!
-- Mariano http://marianopeck.wordpress.com
-- Cyril Ferlicot http://www.synectique.eu 165 Avenue Bretagne Lille 59000 France
but notificationPopup is misleading because this is not a Notification (Exception). Stef Le 15/1/16 23:36, Ferlicot D. Cyril a écrit :
Le 15/01/2016 22:51, Mariano Martinez Peck a écrit :
I clearly would use Notification as part of the name, and not Growl. NotificationPopup?
I love this one!
-- Mariano http://marianopeck.wordpress.com
So if you want to change (and some tools should not hardcode access to GrowlMorph) a better name would be NotifierPopup Le 16/1/16 09:03, stepharo a écrit :
but notificationPopup is misleading because this is not a Notification (Exception).
Stef
Le 15/1/16 23:36, Ferlicot D. Cyril a écrit :
Le 15/01/2016 22:51, Mariano Martinez Peck a écrit :
I clearly would use Notification as part of the name, and not Growl. NotificationPopup?
I love this one!
-- Mariano http://marianopeck.wordpress.com
Finally "Growl is a global notification system and pop-up notification implementation for the Mac OS X and Windows[1] operating systems. " So?
Le 16/01/2016 09:12, stepharo a écrit :
Finally
"Growl is a global notification system and pop-up notification implementation for the Mac OS X and Windows[1] operating systems. "
So?
Growl can be downloaded on Windows but almost no Windows user know this name and can understand what it means. -- Cyril Ferlicot http://www.synectique.eu 165 Avenue Bretagne Lille 59000 France
Personally I dont see the point of a rename, we got like 30% of people coming from macos that will be familiar with the name Growl, 0% that will be familiar with any other name. So you take a name that is very popular and change it to something none knows, how is that an improvement ? What notification morph, or notification popup even means ? Is it a window ? is it a right click menu popup ? Only the time having to port everything to the new name does not make it worth it. On Sat, Jan 16, 2016 at 10:12 AM stepharo <stepharo@free.fr> wrote:
So if you want to change (and some tools should not hardcode access to GrowlMorph) a better name would be NotifierPopup
Le 16/1/16 09:03, stepharo a écrit :
but notificationPopup is misleading because this is not a Notification (Exception).
Stef
Le 15/1/16 23:36, Ferlicot D. Cyril a écrit :
Le 15/01/2016 22:51, Mariano Martinez Peck a écrit :
I clearly would use Notification as part of the name, and not Growl. NotificationPopup?
I love this one!
-- Mariano http://marianopeck.wordpress.com
On 16 Jan 2016, at 09:18, Dimitris Chloupis <kilon.alios@gmail.com> wrote:
Personally I dont see the point of a rename, we got like 30% of people coming from macos that will be familiar with the name Growl, 0% that will be familiar with any other name. So you take a name that is very popular and change it to something none knows, how is that an improvement ?
What notification morph, or notification popup even means ? Is it a window ? is it a right click menu popup ?
Only the time having to port everything to the new name does not make it worth it.
+1 also, afaik, migrating to bloc will not make morphs disappear⦠they will just change its internal logic (in the examples Iâve seen, there are still things named âMorphâ⦠they are just decomposed internally⦠but I donât know). Esteban
On Sat, Jan 16, 2016 at 10:12 AM stepharo <stepharo@free.fr <mailto:stepharo@free.fr>> wrote: So if you want to change (and some tools should not hardcode access to GrowlMorph) a better name would be NotifierPopup
Le 16/1/16 09:03, stepharo a écrit :
but notificationPopup is misleading because this is not a Notification (Exception).
Stef
Le 15/1/16 23:36, Ferlicot D. Cyril a écrit :
Le 15/01/2016 22:51, Mariano Martinez Peck a écrit :
I clearly would use Notification as part of the name, and not Growl. NotificationPopup?
I love this one!
-- Mariano http://marianopeck.wordpress.com <http://marianopeck.wordpress.com/>
There are A TON of things named Morphs inside Bloc. Bloc has no choice because it wants to be 100% compatible with Morphic. That means it has to offer a 100% Morphic API . What Bloc does is rework the ugly internals of Morphic offering a better implementation and of course adds a lot of new functionality and integrates Athens. Morphic is here to stay for a long time, at least until people migrate completely to Bloc and Bloc finally decides to drop Morphic support. I dont see that happening before Pharo 8-10. On Sat, Jan 16, 2016 at 12:07 PM Esteban Lorenzano <estebanlm@gmail.com> wrote:
On 16 Jan 2016, at 09:18, Dimitris Chloupis <kilon.alios@gmail.com> wrote:
Personally I dont see the point of a rename, we got like 30% of people coming from macos that will be familiar with the name Growl, 0% that will be familiar with any other name. So you take a name that is very popular and change it to something none knows, how is that an improvement ?
What notification morph, or notification popup even means ? Is it a window ? is it a right click menu popup ?
Only the time having to port everything to the new name does not make it worth it.
+1
also, afaik, migrating to bloc will not make morphs disappear⦠they will just change its internal logic (in the examples Iâve seen, there are still things named âMorphâ⦠they are just decomposed internally⦠but I donât know).
Esteban
On Sat, Jan 16, 2016 at 10:12 AM stepharo <stepharo@free.fr> wrote:
So if you want to change (and some tools should not hardcode access to GrowlMorph) a better name would be NotifierPopup
Le 16/1/16 09:03, stepharo a écrit :
but notificationPopup is misleading because this is not a Notification (Exception).
Stef
Le 15/1/16 23:36, Ferlicot D. Cyril a écrit :
Le 15/01/2016 22:51, Mariano Martinez Peck a écrit :
I clearly would use Notification as part of the name, and not Growl. NotificationPopup?
I love this one!
-- Mariano http://marianopeck.wordpress.com
Le 16/01/2016 09:18, Dimitris Chloupis a écrit :
Personally I dont see the point of a rename, we got like 30% of people coming from macos that will be familiar with the name Growl, 0% that will be familiar with any other name. So you take a name that is very popular and change it to something none knows, how is that an improvement ?
I don't want to rename Growl, just to change the name of the setting. The setting should not depend of the implementation of the notification system. We can name the setting "Notifier Popup" and behind use a GrowlMorph, a NotifierBloc, a PopupBrick⦠The common developer doesn't care. When we want to use a Growl we just call #inform:, not #growl: or "Growl new inform:". As you said 30% of people can understand what Growl is about. Almost everyone can understand that "Notifier Popup" is about a little popup that give us informations. Should we ignore the 70% of people that don't use mac ? And when Pharo will be use by more industry than search lab there will be less than 30% of mac I think. If the community don't want to rename this setting it's your choice, but that will be 70% of newcomers that will be frustrating when they will try to customize the appearance of there Pharo.
What notification morph, or notification popup even means ? Is it a window ? is it a right click menu popup ?
Only the time having to port everything to the new name does not make it worth it.
-- Cyril Ferlicot http://www.synectique.eu 165 Avenue Bretagne Lille 59000 France
Ah ok :) Le 16/1/16 14:15, Ferlicot D. Cyril a écrit :
Le 16/01/2016 09:18, Dimitris Chloupis a écrit :
Personally I dont see the point of a rename, we got like 30% of people coming from macos that will be familiar with the name Growl, 0% that will be familiar with any other name. So you take a name that is very popular and change it to something none knows, how is that an improvement ?
I don't want to rename Growl, just to change the name of the setting. The setting should not depend of the implementation of the notification system. We can name the setting "Notifier Popup" and behind use a GrowlMorph, a NotifierBloc, a PopupBrick⦠The common developer doesn't care. When we want to use a Growl we just call #inform:, not #growl: or "Growl new inform:".
As you said 30% of people can understand what Growl is about. Almost everyone can understand that "Notifier Popup" is about a little popup that give us informations.
Should we ignore the 70% of people that don't use mac ? And when Pharo will be use by more industry than search lab there will be less than 30% of mac I think. If the community don't want to rename this setting it's your choice, but that will be 70% of newcomers that will be frustrating when they will try to customize the appearance of there Pharo.
What notification morph, or notification popup even means ? Is it a window ? is it a right click menu popup ?
Only the time having to port everything to the new name does not make it worth it.
2016-01-15 22:25 GMT+01:00 Henrik Nergaard <henrik.nergaard@uia.no>:
NotificationMorph | NotifierMorph | InformationMorph ?
+1 for Notification
Best regards, Henrik
-----Original Message----- From: Pharo-dev [mailto:pharo-dev-bounces@lists.pharo.org] On Behalf Of Tudor Girba Sent: Friday, January 15, 2016 10:21 PM To: Pharo Development List <pharo-dev@lists.pharo.org> Subject: Re: [Pharo-dev] Growl setting name
Hi
I think it should not be named âdialogâ and âpopupâ is too generic.
How about âPopupInfoâ?
Doru
On Jan 15, 2016, at 10:11 PM, Ferlicot D. Cyril < cyril.ferlicot@gmail.com> wrote:
Apparently "Growl" is the name of Mac notification. But me, that never used Mac, I don't know that. I think I am not the only one in that case.
If it's not just my ignorance, I propose to rename "Growl" as "Popup dialog" or "Popup" or "Popup dialog/Growl".
What do you thing guys ? If you think as me I will open an issue.
-- Cyril Ferlicot
165 Avenue Bretagne Lille 59000 France
-- www.tudorgirba.com www.feenk.com
"Every now and then stop and ask yourself if the war you're fighting is the right one."
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Dimitris Chloupis -
Esteban A. Maringolo -
Esteban Lorenzano -
Ferlicot D. Cyril -
Henrik Nergaard -
Mariano Martinez Peck -
Nicolai Hess -
stepharo -
Sven Van Caekenberghe -
Tudor Girba