[Pharo-project] Impossible launc/use Lumiere
I try use Lumiere http://vst.ensm-douai.fr/ESUG2009Media/uploads/1/lumiereIWST-2.pdf for show a sample OpenGL window but don´t works. I dont know what i doing bad.What is needed for use OpenGL in Pharo? Is a stupid idea use OpenGL under Pharo for create 2d UIs ? My idea is use Lumiere for build UIs embedded in a morphic window, but with OpenGL widgets, buttons, textboxes etc s is a possible idea? I could for example use OpenGL external widgets libs for use in Lumiere? Will be fantastic do a UIBuilder using that. If Lumiere dont works for that exists another lib o posibility? Regards -- View this message in context: http://n2.nabble.com/Impossible-launc-use-Lumiere-tp3582501p3582501.html Sent from the Pharo Smalltalk mailing list archive at Nabble.com.
2009/9/4 nullPointer <epicfan@gmail.com>:
I try use Lumiere
http://vst.ensm-douai.fr/ESUG2009Media/uploads/1/lumiereIWST-2.pdf
 for show a sample OpenGL window but don´t works. I dont know what i doing bad.What is needed for use OpenGL in Pharo?
Is a stupid idea use OpenGL under Pharo for create 2d UIs ?  My idea is use Lumiere for build UIs embedded in a morphic window, but with OpenGL widgets, buttons, textboxes etc  s  is a possible idea?  I could for example use OpenGL external widgets libs for use in Lumiere? Will be fantastic do a UIBuilder using that. If Lumiere dont works for that exists another lib o posibility?
yes, there is. Called GLMorphic. see at squeaksource. And its already drawing all morphic UI using opengl calls. Lumiere is more about rendering 3d scenery, not 2d UI. But it contains the full OpenGL bindings (using Alien), so, nothing prevents you from writing own stuff & doing anything with it. There is also OpenVG binding API, which i bound recently to Squeak/Pharo it is for drawing 2d vector graphics using different kinds of shapes, fills etc. It resembles pretty much of the same functionality as in Adobe Flash - gradients, fills, strokes, patterns, images etc etc. It is waiting for you to explore :) Unfortunately the OpenVG plugin iz available for windoze only.
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but could be possible in Lumiere, for example, use external widgets libs of OpenGL? the problem for me is the widgets. Exists only a few basic widgets in Morphic/Polymorph, and be hard of do for me. Or create a new set of widgets in Morphic or use something do it external. The problem for me not is the way of Morphic is drawed, else the way of Morphic is do it. Im developing a UIBuilder and the main problem is unify all events and properties of differents widgets in a same public interface (via Traits). Perhaps that it is not worth the pain and is best create a set of widgets from start; and if is possible use OpenGL still better. Regards, and thanks for the help. And excuse me for my poor english :)) Igor Stasenko wrote:
2009/9/4 nullPointer <epicfan@gmail.com>:
I try use Lumiere
http://vst.ensm-douai.fr/ESUG2009Media/uploads/1/lumiereIWST-2.pdf
 for show a sample OpenGL window but don´t works. I dont know what i doing bad.What is needed for use OpenGL in Pharo?
Is a stupid idea use OpenGL under Pharo for create 2d UIs ?  My idea is use Lumiere for build UIs embedded in a morphic window, but with OpenGL widgets, buttons, textboxes etc  s  is a possible idea?  I could for example use OpenGL external widgets libs for use in Lumiere? Will be fantastic do a UIBuilder using that. If Lumiere dont works for that exists another lib o posibility?
yes, there is. Called GLMorphic. see at squeaksource. And its already drawing all morphic UI using opengl calls. Lumiere is more about rendering 3d scenery, not 2d UI. But it contains the full OpenGL bindings (using Alien), so, nothing prevents you from writing own stuff & doing anything with it. There is also OpenVG binding API, which i bound recently to Squeak/Pharo it is for drawing 2d vector graphics using different kinds of shapes, fills etc. It resembles pretty much of the same functionality as in Adobe Flash - gradients, fills, strokes, patterns, images etc etc. It is waiting for you to explore :) Unfortunately the OpenVG plugin iz available for windoze only.
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2009/9/4 nullPointer <epicfan@gmail.com>:
but could be possible in Lumiere, for example, use external widgets libs of OpenGL? the problem for me is the widgets. Exists only a few basic widgets in Morphic/Polymorph, and be hard of do for me. Or create a new set of widgets in Morphic or use something do it external. The problem for me not is the way of Morphic is drawed, else the way of Morphic is do it. Im developing a UIBuilder and the main problem is unify all events and properties of differents widgets in a same public interface (via Traits). Perhaps that  it is not worth the pain and is best create a set of widgets from start; and if is possible use OpenGL still better.
Sorry, maybe i don't understand something... But how OpenGL could help you with having a richer set of widgets? An OpenGL is a very basic drawing library, where you can draw the simplest primitives: - points, lines, triangles. Yes, you can do many tricks with OpenGL, but still all you have is basically points, lines and triangles.
Regards, and thanks for the help.
And excuse me for my poor english :))
Igor Stasenko wrote:
2009/9/4 nullPointer <epicfan@gmail.com>:
I try use Lumiere
http://vst.ensm-douai.fr/ESUG2009Media/uploads/1/lumiereIWST-2.pdf
 for show a sample OpenGL window but don´t works. I dont know what i doing bad.What is needed for use OpenGL in Pharo?
Is a stupid idea use OpenGL under Pharo for create 2d UIs ?  My idea is use Lumiere for build UIs embedded in a morphic window, but with OpenGL widgets, buttons, textboxes etc  s  is a possible idea?  I could for example use OpenGL external widgets libs for use in Lumiere? Will be fantastic do a UIBuilder using that. If Lumiere dont works for that exists another lib o posibility?
yes, there is. Called GLMorphic. see at squeaksource. And its already drawing all morphic UI using opengl calls. Lumiere is more about rendering 3d scenery, not 2d UI. But it contains the full OpenGL bindings (using Alien), so, nothing prevents you from writing own stuff & doing anything with it. There is also OpenVG binding API, which i bound recently to Squeak/Pharo it is for drawing 2d vector graphics using different kinds of shapes, fills etc. It resembles pretty much of the same functionality as in Adobe Flash - gradients, fills, strokes, patterns, images etc etc. It is waiting for you to explore :) Unfortunately the OpenVG plugin iz available for windoze only.
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My knowledges of OpenGL is very poor. For you answer i see not is possible use Lumiere/OpenGL for the thing than i have in mind. Regards. Igor Stasenko wrote:
2009/9/4 nullPointer <epicfan@gmail.com>:
but could be possible in Lumiere, for example, use external widgets libs of OpenGL? the problem for me is the widgets. Exists only a few basic widgets in Morphic/Polymorph, and be hard of do for me. Or create a new set of widgets in Morphic or use something do it external. The problem for me not is the way of Morphic is drawed, else the way of Morphic is do it. Im developing a UIBuilder and the main problem is unify all events and properties of differents widgets in a same public interface (via Traits). Perhaps that  it is not worth the pain and is best create a set of widgets from start; and if is possible use OpenGL still better.
Sorry, maybe i don't understand something... But how OpenGL could help you with having a richer set of widgets? An OpenGL is a very basic drawing library, where you can draw the simplest primitives: - points, lines, triangles. Yes, you can do many tricks with OpenGL, but still all you have is basically points, lines and triangles.
Regards, and thanks for the help.
And excuse me for my poor english :))
Igor Stasenko wrote:
2009/9/4 nullPointer <epicfan@gmail.com>:
I try use Lumiere
http://vst.ensm-douai.fr/ESUG2009Media/uploads/1/lumiereIWST-2.pdf
 for show a sample OpenGL window but don´t works. I dont know what i doing bad.What is needed for use OpenGL in Pharo?
Is a stupid idea use OpenGL under Pharo for create 2d UIs ?  My idea is use Lumiere for build UIs embedded in a morphic window, but with OpenGL widgets, buttons, textboxes etc  s  is a possible idea?  I could for example use OpenGL external widgets libs for use in Lumiere? Will be fantastic do a UIBuilder using that. If Lumiere dont works for that exists another lib o posibility?
yes, there is. Called GLMorphic. see at squeaksource. And its already drawing all morphic UI using opengl calls. Lumiere is more about rendering 3d scenery, not 2d UI. But it contains the full OpenGL bindings (using Alien), so, nothing prevents you from writing own stuff & doing anything with it. There is also OpenVG binding API, which i bound recently to Squeak/Pharo it is for drawing 2d vector graphics using different kinds of shapes, fills etc. It resembles pretty much of the same functionality as in Adobe Flash - gradients, fills, strokes, patterns, images etc etc. It is waiting for you to explore :) Unfortunately the OpenVG plugin iz available for windoze only.
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Em 04/09/2009 18:07, nullPointer < epicfan@gmail.com > escreveu:
I try use Lumiere
http://vst.ensm-douai.fr/ESUG2009Media/uploads/1/lumiereIWST-2.pdf
for show a sample OpenGL window but don´t works. I dont know what i doing bad.What is needed for use OpenGL in Pharo?
I tried it and almost no test comes green... So I also wonder what else is needed for running Lumière in Pharo?
Load package -> http://wiki.squeak.org/squeak/uploads/651/Speech.sar Is needed the FFI package too --> http://source.squeakfoundation.org/FFI/FFI-Kernel-ar.11.mcz Load Lumiere if not installed --> LumiereLoader load Then install VMMaker from squeaksource And is needed create a plugin for the virtual machine Well, that i did understand before in IRC. My problem is than Speech package cannot install.Crushes in a clean Pharo Image Beta Core :( Exists an available image with that packages loadeds? Regards csrabak wrote:
Em 04/09/2009 18:07, nullPointer < epicfan@gmail.com > escreveu:
I try use Lumiere
http://vst.ensm-douai.fr/ESUG2009Media/uploads/1/lumiereIWST-2.pdf
for show a sample OpenGL window but don´t works. I dont know what i doing bad.What is needed for use OpenGL in Pharo?
I tried it and almost no test comes green...
So I also wonder what else is needed for running Lumière in Pharo?
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On Sep 4, 2009, at 11:07 PM, nullPointer wrote:
I try use Lumiere
http://vst.ensm-douai.fr/ESUG2009Media/uploads/1/lumiereIWST-2.pdf
for show a sample OpenGL window but don´t works. I dont know what i doing bad.What is needed for use OpenGL in Pharo?
Is a stupid idea use OpenGL under Pharo for create 2d UIs ? My idea is use Lumiere for build UIs embedded in a morphic window, but with OpenGL widgets, buttons, textboxes etc s is a possible idea? I could for example use OpenGL external widgets libs for use in Lumiere? Will be fantastic do a UIBuilder using that. If Lumiere dont works for that exists another lib o posibility?
Do not bind the builder to opengl please. Do an extension for that if you want. Release your code!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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I apologize for not answering sooner, i was offline after returning from the ESUG. I'm fixing now problems related to Lumiere, mostly regarding the texture folder missing. Tomorrow i'l send an email to the list, officially presenting lumiere, a brief description, tutorials and the official homepage. But briefly, lumiere is a 3D renderer for producing 3D applications. with high level abstractions and using OpenGL as the base renderer, that uses the AlienOpenGL library wrapper. (we implemented using ALIEN FFI framework ). Since the Alien framework is working and tested under MAC for now, it only works there. But people are working for integrating into windows, and also alien can now be installed in Squeak ( using Installer, instead of Gofer and flair). The only thing needed for running Lumiere is to execute the following script, having the alien plugin ( IA32ABI.bundle ) under the plugins folder in the root directory. (i will that in the home page also) ScriptLoader loadLatestPackage: 'LumiereLoader' from: 'http://www.squeaksource.com/Lumiere' . LumiereLoader load. Saludos, Fernando pd: as Igor said , OpenGL wont give you widgets but it will allow you to build them using Lumiere or ALienOpenGL. Or use ALienFFI to build a wrapper for some external library that does that. pd2: I'm aslo interested in adding a complete set of widgets and text rendering capabilities using Lumiere, so we could discuss this further. Il giorno Sep 5, 2009, alle ore 10:50 AM, Stéphane Ducasse ha scritto:
On Sep 4, 2009, at 11:07 PM, nullPointer wrote:
I try use Lumiere
http://vst.ensm-douai.fr/ESUG2009Media/uploads/1/lumiereIWST-2.pdf
for show a sample OpenGL window but don´t works. I dont know what i doing bad.What is needed for use OpenGL in Pharo?
Is a stupid idea use OpenGL under Pharo for create 2d UIs ? My idea is use Lumiere for build UIs embedded in a morphic window, but with OpenGL widgets, buttons, textboxes etc s is a possible idea? I could for example use OpenGL external widgets libs for use in Lumiere? Will be fantastic do a UIBuilder using that. If Lumiere dont works for that exists another lib o posibility?
Do not bind the builder to opengl please. Do an extension for that if you want. Release your code!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Do you know WPF? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4-T-yF3tXCc Oks, forget a moment that it is of Mocosoft :) I will like create something similar; nice 2d widgets and possibility of show, obviously, 3d I do not know even if to obtain it is possible, but i like will try :) Fernando olivero wrote:
I apologize for not answering sooner, i was offline after returning from the ESUG.
I'm fixing now problems related to Lumiere, mostly regarding the texture folder missing.
Tomorrow i'l send an email to the list, officially presenting lumiere, a brief description, tutorials and the official homepage.
But briefly, lumiere is a 3D renderer for producing 3D applications. with high level abstractions and using OpenGL as the base renderer, that uses the AlienOpenGL library wrapper. (we implemented using ALIEN FFI framework ).
Since the Alien framework is working and tested under MAC for now, it only works there. But people are working for integrating into windows, and also alien can now be installed in Squeak ( using Installer, instead of Gofer and flair).
The only thing needed for running Lumiere is to execute the following script, having the alien plugin ( IA32ABI.bundle ) under the plugins folder in the root directory. (i will that in the home page also)
ScriptLoader loadLatestPackage: 'LumiereLoader' from: 'http://www.squeaksource.com/Lumiere' . LumiereLoader load.
Saludos, Fernando
pd: as Igor said , OpenGL wont give you widgets but it will allow you to build them using Lumiere or ALienOpenGL. Or use ALienFFI to build a wrapper for some external library that does that.
pd2: I'm aslo interested in adding a complete set of widgets and text rendering capabilities using Lumiere, so we could discuss this further.
Il giorno Sep 5, 2009, alle ore 10:50 AM, Stéphane Ducasse ha scritto:
On Sep 4, 2009, at 11:07 PM, nullPointer wrote:
I try use Lumiere
http://vst.ensm-douai.fr/ESUG2009Media/uploads/1/lumiereIWST-2.pdf
for show a sample OpenGL window but don´t works. I dont know what i doing bad.What is needed for use OpenGL in Pharo?
Is a stupid idea use OpenGL under Pharo for create 2d UIs ? My idea is use Lumiere for build UIs embedded in a morphic window, but with OpenGL widgets, buttons, textboxes etc s is a possible idea? I could for example use OpenGL external widgets libs for use in Lumiere? Will be fantastic do a UIBuilder using that. If Lumiere dont works for that exists another lib o posibility?
Do not bind the builder to opengl please. Do an extension for that if you want. Release your code!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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this looks cool! really getting widgest like the accordeon style in javaScript would be great. Stef On Sep 6, 2009, at 11:43 PM, nullPointer wrote:
Do you know WPF?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4-T-yF3tXCc
Oks, forget a moment that it is of Mocosoft :)
I will like create something similar; nice 2d widgets and possibility of show, obviously, 3d
I do not know even if to obtain it is possible, but i like will try :)
Fernando olivero wrote:
I apologize for not answering sooner, i was offline after returning from the ESUG.
I'm fixing now problems related to Lumiere, mostly regarding the texture folder missing.
Tomorrow i'l send an email to the list, officially presenting lumiere, a brief description, tutorials and the official homepage.
But briefly, lumiere is a 3D renderer for producing 3D applications. with high level abstractions and using OpenGL as the base renderer, that uses the AlienOpenGL library wrapper. (we implemented using ALIEN FFI framework ).
Since the Alien framework is working and tested under MAC for now, it only works there. But people are working for integrating into windows, and also alien can now be installed in Squeak ( using Installer, instead of Gofer and flair).
The only thing needed for running Lumiere is to execute the following script, having the alien plugin ( IA32ABI.bundle ) under the plugins folder in the root directory. (i will that in the home page also)
ScriptLoader loadLatestPackage: 'LumiereLoader' from: 'http://www.squeaksource.com/Lumiere' . LumiereLoader load.
Saludos, Fernando
pd: as Igor said , OpenGL wont give you widgets but it will allow you to build them using Lumiere or ALienOpenGL. Or use ALienFFI to build a wrapper for some external library that does that.
pd2: I'm aslo interested in adding a complete set of widgets and text rendering capabilities using Lumiere, so we could discuss this further.
Il giorno Sep 5, 2009, alle ore 10:50 AM, Stéphane Ducasse ha scritto:
On Sep 4, 2009, at 11:07 PM, nullPointer wrote:
I try use Lumiere
http://vst.ensm-douai.fr/ESUG2009Media/uploads/1/lumiereIWST-2.pdf
for show a sample OpenGL window but don´t works. I dont know what i doing bad.What is needed for use OpenGL in Pharo?
Is a stupid idea use OpenGL under Pharo for create 2d UIs ? My idea is use Lumiere for build UIs embedded in a morphic window, but with OpenGL widgets, buttons, textboxes etc s is a possible idea? I could for example use OpenGL external widgets libs for use in Lumiere? Will be fantastic do a UIBuilder using that. If Lumiere dont works for that exists another lib o posibility?
Do not bind the builder to opengl please. Do an extension for that if you want. Release your code!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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I released the package: http://www.squeaksource.com/CLFramework.html Not is a stable version; the code is ugly.And many things must be added and enhanced. I added new features; can be viewed here: Inlaying a view into another http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L0dSuunKbEM Adding external files (images only) for use in UIBuilder http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UXvwieFA_4k Building a context menu http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cilG97m4u2g For run the designer only evaluate view := CLUIBuilderMainForm new show. in a workspace. Regards Stéphane Ducasse-2 wrote:
On Sep 4, 2009, at 11:07 PM, nullPointer wrote:
I try use Lumiere
http://vst.ensm-douai.fr/ESUG2009Media/uploads/1/lumiereIWST-2.pdf
for show a sample OpenGL window but don´t works. I dont know what i doing bad.What is needed for use OpenGL in Pharo?
Is a stupid idea use OpenGL under Pharo for create 2d UIs ? My idea is use Lumiere for build UIs embedded in a morphic window, but with OpenGL widgets, buttons, textboxes etc s is a possible idea? I could for example use OpenGL external widgets libs for use in Lumiere? Will be fantastic do a UIBuilder using that. If Lumiere dont works for that exists another lib o posibility?
Do not bind the builder to opengl please. Do an extension for that if you want. Release your code!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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