[Pharo-project] [OT] Sophie in Java
Hi all, the Mellon foundation just approved the grant to Astea in Bulgaria to redevelop Sophie in Java! Astea (http://asteasolutions.com) are the nice guys that we trained and who then turned around, stating on their web site that they developed Sophie, took our Sophie documents and artwork for their proposal and managed to persuade Mellon to actually give them money... We moved the current Sophie project to http://opensophie.org, hoping to keep Sophie alive and making Sophie better than what they can come up with. And why I'm sending this to the Pharo list? Pharo already has so much promise as a base system, hopefully providing in the core already what we had to re-invent in Sophie because it didn't work in the main Squeak version. The Freetype stuff already turned out really well! Hopefully more to come. And once I finish these new etoys installers I can do some Pharo work too, hopefully ;-) Michael
Terrible! I'm really sad. And I went to give them lectures for free..... No comment. Stef
Hi all,
the Mellon foundation just approved the grant to Astea in Bulgaria to redevelop Sophie in Java! Astea (http://asteasolutions.com) are the nice guys that we trained and who then turned around, stating on their web site that they developed Sophie, took our Sophie documents and artwork for their proposal and managed to persuade Mellon to actually give them money...
We moved the current Sophie project to http://opensophie.org, hoping to keep Sophie alive and making Sophie better than what they can come up with.
And why I'm sending this to the Pharo list? Pharo already has so much promise as a base system, hopefully providing in the core already what we had to re-invent in Sophie because it didn't work in the main Squeak version. The Freetype stuff already turned out really well! Hopefully more to come.
And once I finish these new etoys installers I can do some Pharo work too, hopefully ;-)
Michael
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Terrible indeed! And please, put the names of that guys in public, so that we will know in the future, who to avoid for all costs. Because this company is made out of people... Janko Stéphane Ducasse wrote:
Terrible! I'm really sad. And I went to give them lectures for free..... No comment.
Stef
Hi all,
the Mellon foundation just approved the grant to Astea in Bulgaria to redevelop Sophie in Java! Astea (http://asteasolutions.com) are the nice guys that we trained and who then turned around, stating on their web site that they developed Sophie, took our Sophie documents and artwork for their proposal and managed to persuade Mellon to actually give them money...
We moved the current Sophie project to http://opensophie.org, hoping to keep Sophie alive and making Sophie better than what they can come up with.
And why I'm sending this to the Pharo list? Pharo already has so much promise as a base system, hopefully providing in the core already what we had to re-invent in Sophie because it didn't work in the main Squeak version. The Freetype stuff already turned out really well! Hopefully more to come.
And once I finish these new etoys installers I can do some Pharo work too, hopefully ;-)
Michael
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Janko Mivšek wrote:
Terrible indeed! And please, put the names of that guys in public, so that we will know in the future, who to avoid for all costs. Because this company is made out of people...
well, yes. But I must really defend the little guys here, all very smart kids from the University there. They were basically caught on the wrong side of politics and IMHO to naive to know. Michael
Hmm, maybe before blaming people, you should make some moments clear? For reading from their site http://asteasolutions.com/ --- Sophie has received key support from The Andrew W. Mellon Foundation (http://www.mellon.org/). The Institute for the Future of the Book designs and develops the tools and philosophy that will guide the form and function of books as they evolve from the print-based format to a digital format. Developed by Astea in collaboration with Impara GmbH (http://www.impara.de/) of Magdeburg, Germany, and a team of the world's leading Squeak experts, Sophie is the Institute's premiere effort. --- They have a references to origin, and maybe a point of misunderstanding that they not clearly stating their goals? I see nothing bad, if they like to adopt original idea using Java - it is their own problem, after all. And before starting a war/conflict, try to resolve it peacefully - ask them to rename the project, and ask to keep referencing to origin. -- Best regards, Igor Stasenko AKA sig.
this is not the way politics works. Apparently the founder was ready to found anything but squeak. Strange no. Stef On Sep 23, 2008, at 10:13 PM, Igor Stasenko wrote:
Hmm, maybe before blaming people, you should make some moments clear?
For reading from their site http://asteasolutions.com/ --- Sophie has received key support from The Andrew W. Mellon Foundation (http://www.mellon.org/). The Institute for the Future of the Book designs and develops the tools and philosophy that will guide the form and function of books as they evolve from the print-based format to a digital format. Developed by Astea in collaboration with Impara GmbH (http://www.impara.de/) of Magdeburg, Germany, and a team of the world's leading Squeak experts, Sophie is the Institute's premiere effort. ---
They have a references to origin, and maybe a point of misunderstanding that they not clearly stating their goals? I see nothing bad, if they like to adopt original idea using Java - it is their own problem, after all.
And before starting a war/conflict, try to resolve it peacefully - ask them to rename the project, and ask to keep referencing to origin.
-- Best regards, Igor Stasenko AKA sig.
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maybe Pharo would have change that ? I don't know if we can blame people from beeing scared by squeak ;) I really think this is important Sophie continue to evolve to show Java is not the way to go. After seaside, this could be the second main ST project developped with it... My 2 cents. Cédrick 2008/9/24 Stéphane Ducasse <stephane.ducasse@inria.fr>:
this is not the way politics works. Apparently the founder was ready to found anything but squeak. Strange no.
Stef
On Sep 23, 2008, at 10:13 PM, Igor Stasenko wrote:
Hmm, maybe before blaming people, you should make some moments clear?
For reading from their site http://asteasolutions.com/ --- Sophie has received key support from The Andrew W. Mellon Foundation (http://www.mellon.org/). The Institute for the Future of the Book designs and develops the tools and philosophy that will guide the form and function of books as they evolve from the print-based format to a digital format. Developed by Astea in collaboration with Impara GmbH (http://www.impara.de/) of Magdeburg, Germany, and a team of the world's leading Squeak experts, Sophie is the Institute's premiere effort. ---
They have a references to origin, and maybe a point of misunderstanding that they not clearly stating their goals? I see nothing bad, if they like to adopt original idea using Java - it is their own problem, after all.
And before starting a war/conflict, try to resolve it peacefully - ask them to rename the project, and ask to keep referencing to origin.
-- Best regards, Igor Stasenko AKA sig.
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Some moments 'clear'!? From thier site? "Sophie... Developed by Astea in collaboration with Impara GmbH..." . On Tue, Sep 23, 2008 at 10:13 PM, Igor Stasenko <siguctua@gmail.com> wrote:
Hmm, maybe before blaming people, you should make some moments clear?
For reading from their site http://asteasolutions.com/ --- Sophie has received key support from The Andrew W. Mellon Foundation (http://www.mellon.org/). The Institute for the Future of the Book designs and develops the tools and philosophy that will guide the form and function of books as they evolve from the print-based format to a digital format. Developed by Astea in collaboration with Impara GmbH (http://www.impara.de/) of Magdeburg, Germany, and a team of the world's leading Squeak experts, Sophie is the Institute's premiere effort. ---
They have a references to origin, and maybe a point of misunderstanding that they not clearly stating their goals? I see nothing bad, if they like to adopt original idea using Java - it is their own problem, after all.
And before starting a war/conflict, try to resolve it peacefully - ask them to rename the project, and ask to keep referencing to origin.
-- Best regards, Igor Stasenko AKA sig.
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Cédrick Béler -
Igor Stasenko -
Janko Mivšek -
Michael Rueger -
Nikolay Suslov -
Stéphane Ducasse