Spotlight discussion
Hi Esteban, Stéphane mentioned that you have some ideas how to improve Spotlight. I am interested to participate on it. Can we have a discussion about it? Thanks, Jura
I think it would be great to always have it apparent. Using keys to select the item we want. Maybe right and left key to move implementors / senders. Alexandre On Nov 16, 2013, at 12:28 PM, Juraj Kubelka <juraj.kubelka@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi Esteban,
Stéphane mentioned that you have some ideas how to improve Spotlight. I am interested to participate on it. Can we have a discussion about it?
Thanks, Jura
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El 16-11-2013, a las 12:30, Alexandre Bergel <alexandre.bergel@me.com> escribió:
I think it would be great to always have it apparent.
Could be. The advantage is developers know it is here. Disadvantage it occupy space which may most of the time is not used. Cheers, Jura
Using keys to select the item we want. Maybe right and left key to move implementors / senders.
Alexandre
On Nov 16, 2013, at 12:28 PM, Juraj Kubelka <juraj.kubelka@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi Esteban,
Stéphane mentioned that you have some ideas how to improve Spotlight. I am interested to participate on it. Can we have a discussion about it?
Thanks, Jura
-- _,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;: Alexandre Bergel http://www.bergel.eu ^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;.
I wonder if it would be better to integrate Finder and Spotlight together. Do we need two tools that do similar things ? On Sat, Nov 16, 2013 at 6:10 PM, Juraj Kubelka <juraj.kubelka@gmail.com>wrote:
El 16-11-2013, a las 12:30, Alexandre Bergel <alexandre.bergel@me.com> escribió:
I think it would be great to always have it apparent.
Could be. The advantage is developers know it is here. Disadvantage it occupy space which may most of the time is not used.
Cheers, Jura
Using keys to select the item we want. Maybe right and left key to move implementors / senders.
Alexandre
On Nov 16, 2013, at 12:28 PM, Juraj Kubelka <juraj.kubelka@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi Esteban,
Stéphane mentioned that you have some ideas how to improve Spotlight. I am interested to participate on it. Can we have a discussion about it?
Thanks, Jura
-- _,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;: Alexandre Bergel http://www.bergel.eu ^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;.
El 16-11-2013, a las 13:53, btc@openinworld.com escribió:
Juraj Kubelka wrote:
El 16-11-2013, a las 12:30, Alexandre Bergel <alexandre.bergel@me.com> escribió:
I think it would be great to always have it apparent.
Could be. The advantage is developers know it is here. Disadvantage it occupy space which may most of the time is not used.
Cheers, Jura
It wouldn't occupy space if it was part of the background, or always put itself to the back when finished. Other windows would just cover it. A tooltip on it could advise the shortcut for bringing it to the front.
OK, good idea. So Shift+Enter will bring it to the front. Thanks. Cheers, Jura
cheers -ben
Using keys to select the item we want. Maybe right and left key to move implementors / senders.
Alexandre
On Nov 16, 2013, at 12:28 PM, Juraj Kubelka <juraj.kubelka@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi Esteban,
Stéphane mentioned that you have some ideas how to improve Spotlight. I am interested to participate on it. Can we have a discussion about it?
Thanks, Jura
-- _,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;: Alexandre Bergel http://www.bergel.eu ^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;.
The new spotlight beta can be tested here: https://ci.inria.fr/pharo-contribution/job/New-Pharo-IDE/ It planned to answer before but I was in the plane :P Ben On 16 Nov 2013, at 18:37, Juraj Kubelka <juraj.kubelka@gmail.com> wrote:
El 16-11-2013, a las 13:53, btc@openinworld.com escribió:
Juraj Kubelka wrote:
El 16-11-2013, a las 12:30, Alexandre Bergel <alexandre.bergel@me.com> escribió:
I think it would be great to always have it apparent.
Could be. The advantage is developers know it is here. Disadvantage it occupy space which may most of the time is not used.
Cheers, Jura
It wouldn't occupy space if it was part of the background, or always put itself to the back when finished. Other windows would just cover it. A tooltip on it could advise the shortcut for bringing it to the front.
OK, good idea. So Shift+Enter will bring it to the front. Thanks.
Cheers, Jura
cheers -ben
Using keys to select the item we want. Maybe right and left key to move implementors / senders.
Alexandre
On Nov 16, 2013, at 12:28 PM, Juraj Kubelka <juraj.kubelka@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi Esteban,
Stéphane mentioned that you have some ideas how to improve Spotlight. I am interested to participate on it. Can we have a discussion about it?
Thanks, Jura
-- _,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;: Alexandre Bergel http://www.bergel.eu ^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;.
How do I activate it? I only got the old spotlight behavior :) On 2013-11-17, at 00:58, Benjamin <Benjamin.VanRyseghem.Pharo@gmail.com> wrote:
The new spotlight beta can be tested here: https://ci.inria.fr/pharo-contribution/job/New-Pharo-IDE/
It planned to answer before but I was in the plane :P
Ben
On 16 Nov 2013, at 18:37, Juraj Kubelka <juraj.kubelka@gmail.com> wrote:
El 16-11-2013, a las 13:53, btc@openinworld.com escribió:
Juraj Kubelka wrote:
El 16-11-2013, a las 12:30, Alexandre Bergel <alexandre.bergel@me.com> escribió:
I think it would be great to always have it apparent.
Could be. The advantage is developers know it is here. Disadvantage it occupy space which may most of the time is not used.
Cheers, Jura
It wouldn't occupy space if it was part of the background, or always put itself to the back when finished. Other windows would just cover it. A tooltip on it could advise the shortcut for bringing it to the front.
OK, good idea. So Shift+Enter will bring it to the front. Thanks.
Cheers, Jura
cheers -ben
Using keys to select the item we want. Maybe right and left key to move implementors / senders.
Alexandre
On Nov 16, 2013, at 12:28 PM, Juraj Kubelka <juraj.kubelka@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi Esteban,
Stéphane mentioned that you have some ideas how to improve Spotlight. I am interested to participate on it. Can we have a discussion about it?
Thanks, Jura
-- _,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;: Alexandre Bergel http://www.bergel.eu
^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;.
You need first this magic invocation GlobalMenuBar current openInWorld; beSticky. Then it will be in the top right corner. Note: there is s far no hotkey to get the focus. Note2: it is probably buggy since it has not been updated to the new Spec3 Ben On 17 Nov 2013, at 11:09, Camillo Bruni <camillobruni@gmail.com> wrote:
How do I activate it? I only got the old spotlight behavior :)
On 2013-11-17, at 00:58, Benjamin <Benjamin.VanRyseghem.Pharo@gmail.com> wrote:
The new spotlight beta can be tested here: https://ci.inria.fr/pharo-contribution/job/New-Pharo-IDE/
It planned to answer before but I was in the plane :P
Ben
On 16 Nov 2013, at 18:37, Juraj Kubelka <juraj.kubelka@gmail.com> wrote:
El 16-11-2013, a las 13:53, btc@openinworld.com escribió:
Juraj Kubelka wrote:
El 16-11-2013, a las 12:30, Alexandre Bergel <alexandre.bergel@me.com> escribió:
I think it would be great to always have it apparent.
Could be. The advantage is developers know it is here. Disadvantage it occupy space which may most of the time is not used.
Cheers, Jura
It wouldn't occupy space if it was part of the background, or always put itself to the back when finished. Other windows would just cover it. A tooltip on it could advise the shortcut for bringing it to the front.
OK, good idea. So Shift+Enter will bring it to the front. Thanks.
Cheers, Jura
cheers -ben
Using keys to select the item we want. Maybe right and left key to move implementors / senders.
Alexandre
On Nov 16, 2013, at 12:28 PM, Juraj Kubelka <juraj.kubelka@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi Esteban,
Stéphane mentioned that you have some ideas how to improve Spotlight. I am interested to participate on it. Can we have a discussion about it?
Thanks, Jura
-- _,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;: Alexandre Bergel http://www.bergel.eu
^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;.
On 2013-11-17, at 13:24, Benjamin <benjamin.vanryseghem.pharo@gmail.com> wrote:
You need first this magic invocation
GlobalMenuBar current openInWorld; beSticky.
Then it will be in the top right corner. Note: there is s far no hotkey to get the focus. Note2: it is probably buggy since it has not been updated to the new Spec3 I can confirm the last part, though looks like the way to go!
Some things about old/new spotlight - the width of the completions rectangle should be configurable as I often find myself looking at messages that are too long and get cut at the end, while what matters is what is at the end. I looked at the code and found that changing the size of the spotlight morph to be easy, but not so for the completion list which seems to be buried down somewhere in ECCompletion. - there is no way to find numerical functions like sin exp... which is a pain. I guess that's due to the 3 letters required before a search. Now, about the location, why do we need that on the top right? I'd love to have the morph open in the middle of the screen, where I am looking anyway, and not on the top right. A bit like how Launchy works. http://www.launchy.net/ Phil On Sun, Nov 17, 2013 at 1:35 PM, Camillo Bruni <camillobruni@gmail.com>wrote:
On 2013-11-17, at 13:24, Benjamin <benjamin.vanryseghem.pharo@gmail.com> wrote:
You need first this magic invocation
GlobalMenuBar current openInWorld; beSticky.
Then it will be in the top right corner. Note: there is s far no hotkey to get the focus. Note2: it is probably buggy since it has not been updated to the new Spec3 I can confirm the last part, though looks like the way to go!
we can give a try, but I try to reduce the number of popups as much as I can since it only confuses the user for often very few benefits Ben On 17 Nov 2013, at 18:14, phil@highoctane.be wrote:
Some things about old/new spotlight
- the width of the completions rectangle should be configurable as I often find myself looking at messages that are too long and get cut at the end, while what matters is what is at the end. I looked at the code and found that changing the size of the spotlight morph to be easy, but not so for the completion list which seems to be buried down somewhere in ECCompletion.
- there is no way to find numerical functions like sin exp... which is a pain. I guess that's due to the 3 letters required before a search.
Now, about the location, why do we need that on the top right? I'd love to have the morph open in the middle of the screen, where I am looking anyway, and not on the top right. A bit like how Launchy works. http://www.launchy.net/
Phil
On Sun, Nov 17, 2013 at 1:35 PM, Camillo Bruni <camillobruni@gmail.com> wrote:
On 2013-11-17, at 13:24, Benjamin <benjamin.vanryseghem.pharo@gmail.com> wrote:
You need first this magic invocation
GlobalMenuBar current openInWorld; beSticky.
Then it will be in the top right corner. Note: there is s far no hotkey to get the focus. Note2: it is probably buggy since it has not been updated to the new Spec3 I can confirm the last part, though looks like the way to go!
Never mind about the popup as I can configure that on my own. Now, it is modeled after OSX spotlight which happens to be in the top right of the screen, but no other reason. Windows 8 gives us a search panel showing on the side. In Eclipse, it shows as a popup http://www.eclipseonetips.com/2011/02/21/the-easiest-ways-to-navigate-method... But really the width of the list is the key pain with the current spotlight for me. Phil On Sun, Nov 17, 2013 at 7:08 PM, Benjamin < Benjamin.VanRyseghem.Pharo@gmail.com> wrote:
we can give a try, but I try to reduce the number of popups as much as I can since it only confuses the user for often very few benefits
Ben
On 17 Nov 2013, at 18:14, phil@highoctane.be wrote:
Some things about old/new spotlight
- the width of the completions rectangle should be configurable as I often find myself looking at messages that are too long and get cut at the end, while what matters is what is at the end. I looked at the code and found that changing the size of the spotlight morph to be easy, but not so for the completion list which seems to be buried down somewhere in ECCompletion.
- there is no way to find numerical functions like sin exp... which is a pain. I guess that's due to the 3 letters required before a search.
Now, about the location, why do we need that on the top right? I'd love to have the morph open in the middle of the screen, where I am looking anyway, and not on the top right. A bit like how Launchy works. http://www.launchy.net/
Phil
On Sun, Nov 17, 2013 at 1:35 PM, Camillo Bruni <camillobruni@gmail.com>wrote:
On 2013-11-17, at 13:24, Benjamin <benjamin.vanryseghem.pharo@gmail.com> wrote:
You need first this magic invocation
GlobalMenuBar current openInWorld; beSticky.
Then it will be in the top right corner. Note: there is s far no hotkey to get the focus. Note2: it is probably buggy since it has not been updated to the new Spec3 I can confirm the last part, though looks like the way to go!
Ben On 17 Nov 2013, at 20:02, phil@highoctane.be wrote:
Never mind about the popup as I can configure that on my own.
Now, it is modeled after OSX spotlight which happens to be in the top right of the screen, but no other reason.
Windows 8 gives us a search panel showing on the side.
In Eclipse, it shows as a popup http://www.eclipseonetips.com/2011/02/21/the-easiest-ways-to-navigate-method...
But really the width of the list is the key pain with the current spotlight for me.
That I can do something about it I think :P Ben
Phil
On Sun, Nov 17, 2013 at 7:08 PM, Benjamin <Benjamin.VanRyseghem.Pharo@gmail.com> wrote: we can give a try, but I try to reduce the number of popups as much as I can since it only confuses the user for often very few benefits
Ben
On 17 Nov 2013, at 18:14, phil@highoctane.be wrote:
Some things about old/new spotlight
- the width of the completions rectangle should be configurable as I often find myself looking at messages that are too long and get cut at the end, while what matters is what is at the end. I looked at the code and found that changing the size of the spotlight morph to be easy, but not so for the completion list which seems to be buried down somewhere in ECCompletion.
- there is no way to find numerical functions like sin exp... which is a pain. I guess that's due to the 3 letters required before a search.
Now, about the location, why do we need that on the top right? I'd love to have the morph open in the middle of the screen, where I am looking anyway, and not on the top right. A bit like how Launchy works. http://www.launchy.net/
Phil
On Sun, Nov 17, 2013 at 1:35 PM, Camillo Bruni <camillobruni@gmail.com> wrote:
On 2013-11-17, at 13:24, Benjamin <benjamin.vanryseghem.pharo@gmail.com> wrote:
You need first this magic invocation
GlobalMenuBar current openInWorld; beSticky.
Then it will be in the top right corner. Note: there is s far no hotkey to get the focus. Note2: it is probably buggy since it has not been updated to the new Spec3 I can confirm the last part, though looks like the way to go!
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kilon alios -
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