[Pharo-project] Can we remove Arc, Circle and Spline ?
Maybe I even would like to remove the whole package 'ST80-Paths'.....but, going step by step, I would remove Arc, Circle and Spline. As far as I could see, they don't have more senders than their own examples. And they are not even working. For example, Arc and Circule shows the same. Evaluate: Arc example Circle example Spline example So, what do you think? We break everything if we do this? opinions? Maybe we can put them in PharoMorphicExtras :) Cheers Mariano
Hi Mariano, I use them in Mondrian. I haven't found a better way to draw splines and arcs without these classes. Cheers, Alexandre On 19 Jan 2010, at 07:20, Mariano Martinez Peck wrote:
Maybe I even would like to remove the whole package 'ST80- Paths'.....but, going step by step, I would remove Arc, Circle and Spline. As far as I could see, they don't have more senders than their own examples. And they are not even working. For example, Arc and Circule shows the same. Evaluate:
Arc example Circle example Spline example
So, what do you think? We break everything if we do this? opinions?
Maybe we can put them in PharoMorphicExtras :)
Cheers
Mariano
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2010/1/19 Alexandre Bergel <alexandre@bergel.eu>:
Hi Mariano,
I use them in Mondrian. I haven't found a better way to draw splines and arcs without these classes.
Bezier curves?
Cheers, Alexandre
On 19 Jan 2010, at 07:20, Mariano Martinez Peck wrote:
Maybe I even would like to remove the whole package 'ST80- Paths'.....but, going step by step, I would remove  Arc, Circle and Spline. As far as I could see, they don't have more senders than their own examples. And they are not even working. For example, Arc and Circule shows the same. Evaluate:
Arc example Circle example Spline example
So, what do you think? Â We break everything if we do this? opinions?
Maybe we can put them in PharoMorphicExtras :)
Cheers
Mariano
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I use them in Mondrian. I haven't found a better way to draw splines and arcs without these classes.
Bezier curves?
Maybe. I haven't checked the formulas carefully. Maybe Splines are a bit different then bezier. Alexandre
Cheers, Alexandre
On 19 Jan 2010, at 07:20, Mariano Martinez Peck wrote:
Maybe I even would like to remove the whole package 'ST80- Paths'.....but, going step by step, I would remove Arc, Circle and Spline. As far as I could see, they don't have more senders than their own examples. And they are not even working. For example, Arc and Circule shows the same. Evaluate:
Arc example Circle example Spline example
So, what do you think? We break everything if we do this? opinions?
Maybe we can put them in PharoMorphicExtras :)
Cheers
Mariano
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Splines and Beziers are the same thing. With what i did for SVGMorph stuff, arcs can only be approximated by splines... nothing to stop you extending BalloonCanvas to draw arcs using the code from Arc though... Regards, Gary ----- Original Message ----- From: "Alexandre Bergel" <alexandre@bergel.eu> To: <Pharo-project@lists.gforge.inria.fr> Sent: Tuesday, January 19, 2010 1:16 PM Subject: Re: [Pharo-project] Can we remove Arc, Circle and Spline ?
I use them in Mondrian. I haven't found a better way to draw splines and arcs without these classes.
Bezier curves?
Maybe. I haven't checked the formulas carefully. Maybe Splines are a bit different then bezier.
Alexandre
Cheers, Alexandre
On 19 Jan 2010, at 07:20, Mariano Martinez Peck wrote:
Maybe I even would like to remove the whole package 'ST80- Paths'.....but, going step by step, I would remove Arc, Circle and Spline. As far as I could see, they don't have more senders than their own examples. And they are not even working. For example, Arc and Circule shows the same. Evaluate:
Arc example Circle example Spline example
So, what do you think? We break everything if we do this? opinions?
Maybe we can put them in PharoMorphicExtras :)
Cheers
Mariano
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On Tue, 19 Jan 2010, Gary Chambers wrote:
Splines and Beziers are the same thing. With what i did for SVGMorph stuff,
Not exactly. Bezier splines are splines, but not all splines are Bezier splines. Levente
arcs can only be approximated by splines... nothing to stop you extending BalloonCanvas to draw arcs using the code from Arc though...
Regards, Gary
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I use them in Mondrian. I haven't found a better way to draw splines and arcs without these classes.
Bezier curves?
Maybe. I haven't checked the formulas carefully. Maybe Splines are a bit different then bezier.
Alexandre
Cheers, Alexandre
On 19 Jan 2010, at 07:20, Mariano Martinez Peck wrote:
Maybe I even would like to remove the whole package 'ST80- Paths'.....but, going step by step, I would remove Arc, Circle and Spline. As far as I could see, they don't have more senders than their own examples. And they are not even working. For example, Arc and Circule shows the same. Evaluate:
Arc example Circle example Spline example
So, what do you think? We break everything if we do this? opinions?
Maybe we can put them in PharoMorphicExtras :)
Cheers
Mariano
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You are correct, of course. For the purposes of this comparison I think they can be treated the same. Regards, Gary ----- Original Message ----- From: "Levente Uzonyi" <leves@elte.hu> To: <Pharo-project@lists.gforge.inria.fr> Sent: Tuesday, January 19, 2010 2:15 PM Subject: Re: [Pharo-project] Can we remove Arc, Circle and Spline ?
On Tue, 19 Jan 2010, Gary Chambers wrote:
Splines and Beziers are the same thing. With what i did for SVGMorph stuff,
Not exactly. Bezier splines are splines, but not all splines are Bezier splines.
Levente
arcs can only be approximated by splines... nothing to stop you extending BalloonCanvas to draw arcs using the code from Arc though...
Regards, Gary
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I use them in Mondrian. I haven't found a better way to draw splines and arcs without these classes.
Bezier curves?
Maybe. I haven't checked the formulas carefully. Maybe Splines are a bit different then bezier.
Alexandre
Cheers, Alexandre
On 19 Jan 2010, at 07:20, Mariano Martinez Peck wrote:
Maybe I even would like to remove the whole package 'ST80- Paths'.....but, going step by step, I would remove Arc, Circle and Spline. As far as I could see, they don't have more senders than their own examples. And they are not even working. For example, Arc and Circule shows the same. Evaluate:
Arc example Circle example Spline example
So, what do you think? We break everything if we do this? opinions?
Maybe we can put them in PharoMorphicExtras :)
Cheers
Mariano
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I use them in Mondrian. I haven't found a better way to draw splines and arcs without these classes.
You could use the Balloon Canvas or Rome API.
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However, I am okay to have them in a separate package. Alexandre On 19 Jan 2010, at 07:20, Mariano Martinez Peck wrote:
Maybe I even would like to remove the whole package 'ST80- Paths'.....but, going step by step, I would remove Arc, Circle and Spline. As far as I could see, they don't have more senders than their own examples. And they are not even working. For example, Arc and Circule shows the same. Evaluate:
Arc example Circle example Spline example
So, what do you think? We break everything if we do this? opinions?
Maybe we can put them in PharoMorphicExtras :)
Cheers
Mariano
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On Tue, Jan 19, 2010 at 1:12 PM, Alexandre Bergel <alexandre@bergel.eu>wrote:
However, I am okay to have them in a separate package.
Yes, I would really prefer this option is nobody discover that they are really needed in the core. I would like to hear other opinions, thus. BTW, you usually build your Moose images based in PharoCore or PharoDev? Cheers Mariano
Alexandre
On 19 Jan 2010, at 07:20, Mariano Martinez Peck wrote:
Maybe I even would like to remove the whole package 'ST80- Paths'.....but, going step by step, I would remove Arc, Circle and Spline. As far as I could see, they don't have more senders than their own examples. And they are not even working. For example, Arc and Circule shows the same. Evaluate:
Arc example Circle example Spline example
So, what do you think? We break everything if we do this? opinions?
Maybe we can put them in PharoMorphicExtras :)
Cheers
Mariano
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In moose page it says: "the same version can also be loaded into a Pharo Development image by executing the following code: Gofer new squeaksource: 'Moose'; addPackage: 'ConfigurationOfMoose'; load. ((Smalltalk at: #ConfigurationOfMoose) project version: '4.0-beta.4') load. " On Jan 19, 2010, at 1:38 PM, Mariano Martinez Peck wrote:
On Tue, Jan 19, 2010 at 1:12 PM, Alexandre Bergel <alexandre@bergel.eu> wrote: However, I am okay to have them in a separate package.
Yes, I would really prefer this option is nobody discover that they are really needed in the core. I would like to hear other opinions, thus.
BTW, you usually build your Moose images based in PharoCore or PharoDev?
Cheers
Mariano
Alexandre
On 19 Jan 2010, at 07:20, Mariano Martinez Peck wrote:
Maybe I even would like to remove the whole package 'ST80- Paths'.....but, going step by step, I would remove Arc, Circle and Spline. As far as I could see, they don't have more senders than their own examples. And they are not even working. For example, Arc and Circule shows the same. Evaluate:
Arc example Circle example Spline example
So, what do you think? We break everything if we do this? opinions?
Maybe we can put them in PharoMorphicExtras :)
Cheers
Mariano
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In moose page it says:"the same version can also be loaded into a Pharo Development image by executing the following code: Gofer new squeaksource: 'Moose'; addPackage: 'ConfigurationOfMoose'; load. ((Smalltalk at: #ConfigurationOfMoose) project version: '4.0-beta.4') load. "
The squeaksource moose page says: Gofer new squeaksource: 'Moose'; package: 'ConfigurationOfMoose'; load. (Smalltalk at: #ConfigurationOfMoose) perform: #loadDefault Alexandre
On Jan 19, 2010, at 1:38 PM, Mariano Martinez Peck wrote:
On Tue, Jan 19, 2010 at 1:12 PM, Alexandre Bergel <alexandre@bergel.eu
wrote: However, I am okay to have them in a separate package.
Yes, I would really prefer this option is nobody discover that they are really needed in the core. I would like to hear other opinions, thus.
BTW, you usually build your Moose images based in PharoCore or PharoDev?
Cheers
Mariano
Alexandre
On 19 Jan 2010, at 07:20, Mariano Martinez Peck wrote:
Maybe I even would like to remove the whole package 'ST80- Paths'.....but, going step by step, I would remove Arc, Circle and Spline. As far as I could see, they don't have more senders than their own examples. And they are not even working. For example, Arc and Circule shows the same. Evaluate:
Arc example Circle example Spline example
So, what do you think? We break everything if we do this? opinions?
Maybe we can put them in PharoMorphicExtras :)
Cheers
Mariano
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BTW, you usually build your Moose images based in PharoCore or PharoDev?
On PharoDev. But things may change if O2 remains outside the image. Alexandre -- _,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;: Alexandre Bergel http://www.bergel.eu ^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;.
On Tue, Jan 19, 2010 at 2:17 PM, Alexandre Bergel <alexandre@bergel.eu>wrote:
BTW, you usually build your Moose images based in PharoCore or PharoDev?
On PharoDev. But things may change if O2 remains outside the image.
I was asking mostly because in the default Dev images the extra morph package was loaded...so maybe moving there was a good idea. Regarding O2, it will be outside until it doesn't break OB. The good news is that (you already know that) yesterday I received an email from David telling me that you were working on that. I was going to release a new Dev image, but I will wait to see if O2 is ready to be included. So far, yesterday I reported a couple of bugs to David. Keep me informed about the progress (which so far, in one day was excellent, as I could load O2 in a core image without OB!!!) Cheers Mariano
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Regarding O2, it will be outside until it doesn't break OB. The good news is that (you already know that) yesterday I received an email from David telling me that you were working on that. I was going to release a new Dev image, but I will wait to see if O2 is ready to be included. So far, yesterday I reported a couple of bugs to David.
Keep me informed about the progress (which so far, in one day was excellent, as I could load O2 in a core image without OB!!!)
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Hi mariano I think that for now they are easy to fix in case of problem. I suggest that we concentrate efforts on some ugly one like project and deepInner.... FileDirectory.... Stef On Jan 19, 2010, at 11:20 AM, Mariano Martinez Peck wrote:
Maybe I even would like to remove the whole package 'ST80-Paths'.....but, going step by step, I would remove Arc, Circle and Spline. As far as I could see, they don't have more senders than their own examples. And they are not even working. For example, Arc and Circule shows the same. Evaluate:
Arc example Circle example Spline example
So, what do you think? We break everything if we do this? opinions?
Maybe we can put them in PharoMorphicExtras :)
Cheers
Mariano
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Ok...No problem. I have just arrive to them looking for stuff related with ImageSegment (no, they were not related to ImageSegment) and then, I tried to understood those classes and I noticed that nobody use them inside the core...and thus, that's why I asked. Cheers Mariano On Tue, Jan 19, 2010 at 6:42 PM, Stéphane Ducasse <stephane.ducasse@inria.fr
wrote:
Hi mariano
I think that for now they are easy to fix in case of problem. I suggest that we concentrate efforts on some ugly one like project and deepInner.... FileDirectory....
Stef
On Jan 19, 2010, at 11:20 AM, Mariano Martinez Peck wrote:
Maybe I even would like to remove the whole package 'ST80-Paths'.....but, going step by step, I would remove Arc, Circle and Spline. As far as I could see, they don't have more senders than their own examples. And they are not even working. For example, Arc and Circule shows the same. Evaluate:
Arc example Circle example Spline example
So, what do you think? We break everything if we do this? opinions?
Maybe we can put them in PharoMorphicExtras :)
Cheers
Mariano
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