El dom, 07-02-2010 a las 15:17 -0500, Schwab,Wilhelm K escribió:
Doru,
This thread over the past couple of days contains the answers, but briefly, IMHO, the current deployment of Metacello is underspecified and overly complicated. It begs for better factoring in the interest of the end user. If nothing else, take an honest look at the various multi-line snippets in the beginner workspace. Each should comfortably fit on one line; helper methods could readily get us there for most configurations. The ones that do not fit a simple scheme would benefit from some additional behavior.
Bill, one more time, that is not the task of Metacello. Metacello just keeps record of stable, released, working sets of packages versions that make a reproducible, working installation of a given software. Isn't meant to be used as a friendly tool for end users, *but* as a flexible tool for configurations maintainers. As you already know, there are tools being worked (Loader) that are *aimed* at end users and have listing capabilities as you want. Please, read this thread: http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/pipermail/pharo-project/2010-January/019090.htm... Cheers
Bill
-----Original Message----- From: pharo-project-bounces@lists.gforge.inria.fr [mailto:pharo-project-bounces@lists.gforge.inria.fr] On Behalf Of Tudor Girba Sent: Sunday, February 07, 2010 1:40 PM To: Pharo-project@lists.gforge.inria.fr Subject: Re: [Pharo-project] Metacello - the missing information??
Hi,
I think I missed a mail because I do not understand what is a moving target and I do not know what you mean by "as I said".
Cheers, Doru
On 7 Feb 2010, at 19:26, Schwab,Wilhelm K wrote:
As I said, a moving target. I know it is not necessarily easy, but if this is to work we must have either self-describing configurations or a central repository.
-----Original Message----- From: pharo-project-bounces@lists.gforge.inria.fr [mailto:pharo-project-bounces@lists.gforge.inria.fr ] On Behalf Of Tudor Girba Sent: Sunday, February 07, 2010 1:19 PM To: Pharo-project@lists.gforge.inria.fr Subject: Re: [Pharo-project] Metacello - the missing information??
Hi,
This happens because you do not have the latest ProfStef. to get it, you have to load ProfStef-Core. In the process of checking the latest version I also updated both ProfStef-Core and GTProfStef to cope with the latest developments.
Cheers, Doru
On 7 Feb 2010, at 14:58, Schwab,Wilhelm K wrote:
In an RC2 image, GTProfStef open gives
DNU #goOn:viewedWith:
After all of:
Gofer new squeaksource: 'MetacelloRepository'; package: 'ConfigurationOfMetacello'; load. (Smalltalk at: #ConfigurationOfMetacello) perform: #loadLatestVersion.
ConfigurationOfMetacello project latestVersion load: #('Tutorial').
Gofer new squeaksource: 'glamoroust'; package: 'ConfigurationOfGlamoroust'; load. (Smalltalk at: #ConfigurationOfGlamoroust) perform: #loadDefault.
________________________________________ From: pharo-project-bounces@lists.gforge.inria.fr [pharo-project-bounces@lists.gforge.inria.fr ] On Behalf Of laurent laffont [laurent.laffont@gmail.com] Sent: Sunday, February 07, 2010 4:06 AM To: Pharo-project@lists.gforge.inria.fr Subject: Re: [Pharo-project] Metacello - the missing information??
2010/2/6 Schwab,Wilhelm K <bschwab@anest.ufl.edu<mailto:bschwab@anest.ufl.edu
The closest thing I see in the tutorial (assuming it is working as intended) is a mention of baseline configurations. If that is in fact how things can work, there should be an abstract super class for all configurations (or at least a trait they all use to avoid duplicate code) and a method that loads the baseline.
ProfStef would be a lot more useful if it made use of Polymorph: a table of contents in a left pane, select an item and the righ pane shows the content, actions replaced with buttons rather than forcing a lot of right-clicking. To the extent that those things are difficult, we need easy-to-use tree models. From what I have been able to figure out of the tutorial, a wiki page would be more helpful and more likely to be read. If you "force" loading of code, then there should be some benefit in the form of interaction.
Danny Chan has written ProfStefBrowser (in the same repository as ProfStef) which has both browsing and interactive (ProfStef next) capabilities. Tudor Girba has also written a proof-of-concept using Glamour: Gofer new squeaksource: 'glamoroust'; package: 'ConfigurationOfGlamoroust'; load. (Smalltalk at: #ConfigurationOfGlamoroust) perform: #loadDefault.
And then: GTProfStef open
(You spawn the new lesson by command+o)
Cheers
Laurent Laffont
My question stands.
Bill
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On Sat, Feb 6, 2010 at 10:22 PM, Schwab,Wilhelm K <bschwab@anest.ufl.edu <mailto:bschwab@anest.ufl.edu>> wrote: For any given cofiguration, how does one know which version to load? There are incantations in the beginner workspace, but what happens for things not listed there?
You must know about Metacello. As you can noticed, that's why I added the link to the tutorial.
Bill
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