Here's the thing that gets my goat: I had already acknowledged it was enough for the list and was signing off further comment when Ben decided he really needed to add his two cents. It is unfortunate he did not spend his change in a positive manner but wished to be negative and critical. I was unwilling to let that go by as an implicit restriction on the substance of my posting, into the future. ...and the thread is twice as long. Not my doing. Some things must be challenged. Do you know what I mean, then? Just say no to intellectual coercion. robert On 12/27/2015 11:33 AM, Ben Coman wrote:
Hi Robert,
I'm glad your found someone on the list to connect to on a spiritual level, but could you please keep your public posts to technical matters, (plus keep signatures short and trim old signatures from quoted responses - which unfortunately threaded email clients like gmail often hide)
cheers -ben
On Mon, Dec 28, 2015 at 2:15 AM, Robert Withers <robert.w.withers@gmail.com> wrote:
*My apologies...I'll try for #random. :)*
nameste, robert
-- There are five kinds of coloring (kleshas): 1) forgetting, or ignorance about the true nature of things (avidya), 2) I-ness, individuality, or egoism (asmita), 3) attachment or addiction to mental impressions or objects (raga), 4) aversion to thought patterns or objects (dvesha), and 5) love of these as being life itself, as well as fear of their loss as being death. (avidya asmita raga dvesha abhinivesha pancha klesha)
On 12/27/2015 09:44 AM, Robert Withers wrote:
I was thinking about this on my drive home, more, and I think that I was jumping the duck. #new is related to named classes, therefore in the analogy of brahma-loka, this is more of a rupa level behavior. The arupa level is there (and there is a #new at that level) but it deals with things that have no form, but by name only (#allInstancesDo:).
cheers, robert
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And yet everything that is created does not rest in Me. Behold My mystic opulence! Although I am the maintainer of all living entities and although I am everywhere, I am not a part of this cosmic manifestation, for My Self is the very source of creation.
On 12/26/2015 08:50 PM, Robert Withers wrote:
On Dec 26, 2015, at 2:26 AM, Saša Janiška <gour@atmarama.com> wrote:
On Pet, 2015-12-25 at 15:59 -0500, Robert Withers wrote:
Hello Robert,
Good day Saša,
Welcome to Pharo! I view use of Pharo (squeak) as a knowledge sacrifice eliminating bondage to Karma. This is not the mainstream and a good thing too.
Nice comparison...although, being at the beginning I still do not understand/see it as a sacrifice, but can feel it is liberating.
I suppose I think that the expenditure of time, resources, concentration and effort constitute said sacrifice of knowledge as new broader knowledge supplants older limited knowledge.
As an example, where is the root implementation of #new defined? Hint: it is close to Pharo's arupa-brahma-loka, the highest planes. ;)
:-)
Well I do think the meta system is the realms of brahma-loka, and that is split into rupa and arupa. Please let us know your thoughts on this speculation when you find #new! :-)
Hare hare and Merry Christmas,
Haribol and Happy New Year!
Dhiyo yo nah prachodayat!
--- But those who always worship Me with exclusive devotion, meditating on My transcendental formâto them I carry what they lack, and I preserve what they have.
-- As a lamp in a windless place does not waver, so the transcendentalist, whose mind is controlled, remains always steady in his meditation on the transcendent self.
-- Robert . .. ... ^,^