Hi Stef
I'm interested why you think this blog would scare people from Smalltalk? As it happens though, it's obviously aimed purely at Smalltalkers: It's difficult to start such a discussion without letting it out into the world for people to see, I say.
I do not really understand what is the point of the Blog. Of course it would be nice if we could have a better interoperability. But I do not see the point. Then since years we never got more people of different dialects working together.
I'm actually all for open debate. Whether I agree or disagree with the blog itself, I say don't hide such talk: if our community and the language and tools are strong enough they will survive in spite of such debate, or perhaps even because of it.
Finally: is it always more difficult to build than to clean? I think it's easier to build crap than to clean: building something good and *keeping it that way* is the really difficult part.
:)
Squeak is a perfect case in point: so many good ideas, but buried in mounds of cruft that this effort (Pharo) is trying to strip away. Once something has become crufty, it is really, really hard to clean up.
We know we did that for years and we are doing it. Still I always have present that building is still difficult and I respect what other people build. But this respect does not include that I will not judge the quality of a work.
Cheers, Simon
ps. Bob Martin proposed adding a fifth line to the Agile Manifesto: "Craftsmanship over Crap" (ie, favouring the former over the latter). I couldn't agree more, it's a way of thinking I try to apply all the time.
A nice one.
On 20 Sep 2008, at 21:14, Stéphane Ducasse wrote:
I think that this is not like that that he will really bring smalltalk back. Concertation is equals to death. Have a look at Squeak.
Stef
PS: a good friend of mine once told me: "do not shit where you eat" and I keep that in mind even when cleaning squeak. I know that this more difficult to build things than to clean them. Still I would not let this blog out there because it will not produce anything positive, just scared more people from Smalltalk.
Hi all - as I said in my subject, I've already posted this on Squeak-Dev, but I thought those on here who don't subscribe to that list might be interested, too:
http://www.robvens.nl/en/blog/The-Smalltalk-Trap.html
Cheers, Simon
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