Eliot, Interesting news... On Linux? Is there a good place to hunt for examples? Bill ________________________________________ From: pharo-project-bounces@lists.gforge.inria.fr [pharo-project-bounces@lists.gforge.inria.fr] on behalf of Eliot Miranda [eliot.miranda@gmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, January 31, 2012 2:41 PM To: Pharo-project@lists.gforge.inria.fr Subject: Re: [Pharo-project] Cog+linux: external module not found On Tue, Jan 31, 2012 at 12:36 AM, Schwab,Wilhelm K <bschwab@anest.ufl.edu<mailto:bschwab@anest.ufl.edu>> wrote: Göran, Thanks for what you do, and for noticing what I (at least try) to contribute. Some other "tangible" items in my queue *will* be worth the wait[*]. I sincerely hope you are correct about a misunderstanding being at the base of thread. Hopefully, we can all dust ourselves off [**] and make FFI robust everywhere. Best regards, Bill [*] I know I've said this for essentially Pharo's entire life cycle, but it's true... Callbacks, my kingdom for callbacks. Callbacks in Cog work. The threaded VM needs work, but synchronous callbacks from blocking FFI calls work now. You may have to integrate image-level code but the VM has support and it works. [**] Some US slang for Stef's benefit :) ________________________________________ From: pharo-project-bounces@lists.gforge.inria.fr<mailto:pharo-project-bounces@lists.gforge.inria.fr> [pharo-project-bounces@lists.gforge.inria.fr<mailto:pharo-project-bounces@lists.gforge.inria.fr>] on behalf of Göran Krampe [goran@krampe.se<mailto:goran@krampe.se>] Sent: Tuesday, January 31, 2012 3:05 AM To: pharo-project@lists.gforge.inria.fr<mailto:pharo-project@lists.gforge.inria.fr> Subject: Re: [Pharo-project] Cog+linux: external module not found Hi guys! On 01/09/2012 09:36 PM, Sven Van Caekenberghe wrote:
On 09 Jan 2012, at 20:06, Schwab,Wilhelm K wrote:
I think you have the situation very much in reverse. You are flying off the handle, not me.
Cog deserves better than to ignore feedback from motivated users. Motivated users deserve better than to be insulted for their efforts to improve it.
Pharo, Squeak, Cog, Seaside, and most other Smalltalk software on SqueakSource is open source, written almost exclusively by people in their free time. And although most of them will try to help the users of their software the best they can, they cannot and should not do just anything unless they want to. The relation between open source authors and their users should be mutually productive. Using software and giving feedback if one thing, but it is not enough. It can't be one way all the time.
I might be wrong, but I fail to find
- any issues you put in the issue tracker(s) - any issues you solved - any open source software you published on SqueakSource or anywhere else - any blog post or web pages with documentation, tutorials, .. that you wrote
I hope you get the point: there are many more ways to contribute than what you are doing now.
Pharo and other projects need all the help they can get, give back to the community, we are all using software written by others in the same spirit, it is only fair to honor these contributions.
My 2c,
This thread is long dead but I just wanted to mention that Wilhelm Schwab is a long time Squeaker and has been active in the community long before Pharo was even born. ;) Now, it seems to me that the "heat" in this particular thread was based on a misunderstanding, I know Eliot and it didn't seem to me he was trying to insult. General observation: Try taking it easy on the "what the heck have you done for us?"-talk. I have made several such similar posts too over the years when I got frustrated, but it might backfire if you aren't shooting at the "right people". We take pride in being a friendly community (Smalltalk at large) and I presume Pharo does too :) regards, Göran -- best, Eliot