Hi Bill, Performance is certainly important. Please don't stop bugging us to make progress at this front too ;) What we should start with is to identify which features makes it slow. I recently posted basic benchmarks [1], but we need to identify single features so that we know where to optimize or which features should better be disabled. What would help is if you could tell us what exactly is slow (at the moment I'm mainly working in the core image without freetype fonts and speed feels ok on my MacBook Pro). Cheers, Adrian [1] http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/pipermail/pharo-project/2009-June/009905.html On Jul 3, 2009, at 00:29 , Schwab,Wilhelm K wrote:
Stef,
Understood, but since you appear to be leaving open things that I consider to be drastic (removing traits), it only seems reasonable to try the faster browser on some slower machines to see what impact it makes. It would not take too much prodding for me to be able to give some guidance along the lines of "not enough impact to be of help" or "well worth adopting." _Something_ is eating up a lot of clock cycles at present.
Bill
________________________________ From: pharo-project-bounces@lists.gforge.inria.fr [mailto:pharo-project-bounces@lists.gforge.inria.fr ] On Behalf Of Mariano Martinez Peck Sent: Thursday, July 02, 2009 4:25 PM To: Pharo-project@lists.gforge.inria.fr Subject: Re: [Pharo-project] What will be the standard browser in Pharo?
"Ideally we would love to have a fast browser with package support:..."
Notice the "ideally" and the "would" haha
On Thu, Jul 2, 2009 at 8:22 PM, Schwab,Wilhelm K <bschwab@anest.ufl.edu <mailto:bschwab@anest.ufl.edu>> wrote: Stef,
Is there a way to get the fast browser, or an image with it loaded?
Bill
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Hi oscar
Ideally we would love to have a fast browser with package support: - dual browser - class extensions - traits - refactoring - icons
Now apparently OBEnhancements was a bit dirty and this is not clear what colin will integrate or not. Lukas has a OB version which is fast but it does not have - dual browser - class extensions - traits - icons So david and lukas should talk a bit more and we could get the best of the worlds. Saturday we should have a discussion. Having a fast but powerful browser is important and right now if the browser does not support trait then we should remove traits from the image. Similarly we cannot work well without class extension support and other package related functionality. Stef
On Jul 2, 2009, at 9:07 PM, Oscar Nierstrasz wrote:
Hi Folks,
I am trying to port Squeak by Example to Pharo by Example. I am a bit confused about what is suppose dto be the standard browser now. I thought it was the OB Package Browser, but Damien Cassou just gave me a new image where the browser is an OB System Browser (Categories, not packages). I cannot even see any more how to switch between the two.
Can someone enlighten me? (Then I can explain it in the book.)
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