Hi this night I was thinking about a frequent misconception about pharo. It is easy to think that pharo wants just plain good engineering to open grey window. Pharo really wants to be innovative and this at all level. We want better/faster/leaner and more powerful code at all level: UI, network... I heard that some people think that we are against MVC but we are not We are against isMorphic ifTrue: ifFalse:. Pharo does not have to be in the seaside niche and it will not be. But if this makes the life easier to some perfect. Now pharoers do not have to either pick web or the rest. We want to make sure that if someone wants to build an alternative windowing system he can do it easily. (BTW alain showed to us some fun and powerful sketches of using cairo (via rome) to have multiple windowing skeleton.) Now we certainly do not have the knowledge for everything but this is not by a lack of vision. So if you want to build this future don't get us wrong. Stef PS: I still have in mind the vision of Smalltalk by dan: a system that a simple person could understand (for me it means beauty, documentation and elegance of the solutions).