[Pharo-project] misconception addendum :)
Hi this night I was thinking about a frequent misconception about pharo. It is easy to think that pharo wants just plain good engineering to open grey window. Pharo really wants to be innovative and this at all level. We want better/faster/leaner and more powerful code at all level: UI, network... I heard that some people think that we are against MVC but we are not We are against isMorphic ifTrue: ifFalse:. Pharo does not have to be in the seaside niche and it will not be. But if this makes the life easier to some perfect. Now pharoers do not have to either pick web or the rest. We want to make sure that if someone wants to build an alternative windowing system he can do it easily. (BTW alain showed to us some fun and powerful sketches of using cairo (via rome) to have multiple windowing skeleton.) Now we certainly do not have the knowledge for everything but this is not by a lack of vision. So if you want to build this future don't get us wrong. Stef PS: I still have in mind the vision of Smalltalk by dan: a system that a simple person could understand (for me it means beauty, documentation and elegance of the solutions).
I think we should do a one or two day brainstorming about issue/vision/direction. There are some experiences to share and see what we can do. ESUG10 could be a nice place for that kind of workshop. I personnaly have some ideas/insigths but I cannot really communicate them easily by email (moreover, most of the time they'll be ignored ;-) ). I think it's better to sit around a table a discuss. What do you think ? 2009/12/17 Stéphane Ducasse <stephane.ducasse@inria.fr>
Hi
this night I was thinking about a frequent misconception about pharo. It is easy to think that pharo wants just plain good engineering to open grey window. Pharo really wants to be innovative and this at all level. We want better/faster/leaner and more powerful code at all level: UI, network...
I heard that some people think that we are against MVC but we are not We are against isMorphic ifTrue: ifFalse:. Pharo does not have to be in the seaside niche and it will not be. But if this makes the life easier to some perfect. Now pharoers do not have to either pick web or the rest. We want to make sure that if someone wants to build an alternative windowing system he can do it easily. (BTW alain showed to us some fun and powerful sketches of using cairo (via rome) to have multiple windowing skeleton.) Now we certainly do not have the knowledge for everything but this is not by a lack of vision. So if you want to build this future don't get us wrong.
Stef
PS: I still have in mind the vision of Smalltalk by dan: a system that a simple person could understand (for me it means beauty, documentation and elegance of the solutions).
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Good idea. I hope to be able to organize some other sprints before. Stef On Dec 17, 2009, at 11:26 AM, Cédrick Béler wrote:
I think we should do a one or two day brainstorming about issue/vision/direction. There are some experiences to share and see what we can do. ESUG10 could be a nice place for that kind of workshop. I personnaly have some ideas/insigths but I cannot really communicate them easily by email (moreover, most of the time they'll be ignored ;-) ). I think it's better to sit around a table a discuss.
What do you think ?
2009/12/17 Stéphane Ducasse <stephane.ducasse@inria.fr> Hi
this night I was thinking about a frequent misconception about pharo. It is easy to think that pharo wants just plain good engineering to open grey window. Pharo really wants to be innovative and this at all level. We want better/faster/leaner and more powerful code at all level: UI, network...
I heard that some people think that we are against MVC but we are not We are against isMorphic ifTrue: ifFalse:. Pharo does not have to be in the seaside niche and it will not be. But if this makes the life easier to some perfect. Now pharoers do not have to either pick web or the rest. We want to make sure that if someone wants to build an alternative windowing system he can do it easily. (BTW alain showed to us some fun and powerful sketches of using cairo (via rome) to have multiple windowing skeleton.) Now we certainly do not have the knowledge for everything but this is not by a lack of vision. So if you want to build this future don't get us wrong.
Stef
PS: I still have in mind the vision of Smalltalk by dan: a system that a simple person could understand (for me it means beauty, documentation and elegance of the solutions).
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Cairographics.org reminds me to Khronos API (http://www.khronos.org/openvg/), nearly used everywhere on all PDA's (iPhone, Android, e.t.c.). I would prefer SDL. Very stable, implemented in C, multi-platform, language bindings to Smalltalk already ... http://www.libsdl.org/ Should be easy at first to adapt Morpic to SDL, but ... there are many GUI's out in the wild, for gaming, 3D, 2D, e.t.c. which should be easy to program language bindings for. And OpenGL now becomes standard on all desktop and PDA (Cortex ARM8/9+OpenGL ES 2.0). Chips are cheap! (< 40$ for ARM 2000MIPS incl. OpenGL ES) Smalltalk is missing a GUI standard. I am hopefully, that Pharo could perhaps set one :) SDL in Squeak VM could become a wildely accepted standard, that will survive in future ... IMHO. just my 0.02000001 cents ..., Guido Stepken -- View this message in context: http://n2.nabble.com/misconception-addendum-tp4179937p4183460.html Sent from the Pharo Smalltalk mailing list archive at Nabble.com.
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